Wreak of the day;

junkyard · 15-12-2005 1:16am #1

I'll start a new thread if anyones interested, wreak of the day. Heres a few I came across on www.wreckedexotics.com but I'll be back with more local ones.

MrJoeSoap · 15-12-2005 1:20am

Crash anyone?

Oh, and sorry to be a prick but its spelt "wreck".

junkyard · 15-12-2005 1:28am

Sorry to be a p***k but its 1.28a.m. and I've been up since 7.30am and I left my glasses in my car, sorry.:) Some car pictures would be great, its a bit late, for me anyway, to watch a film.

MrJoeSoap · 15-12-2005 1:31am

junkyard wrote:

Sorry to be a p***k but its 1.28a.m. and I've been up since 7.30am and I left my glasses in my car, sorry.:)

Hope it wasn't any of the cars posted above!

dahamsta · 15-12-2005 2:34am

Is it just me or do at least two of those look totally fake? (The last two.)

adam

MrJoeSoap · 15-12-2005 2:37am

Definite photoshop jobs tbh.

Squirrel · 15-12-2005 8:24am

Ken Shabby wrote:

Is it just me or do at least two of those look totally fake? (The last two.)

adam

The last one is part of a Ferrari garage in Holland after a fire, wreckedexotics had pics up of the burntout cars in the garage a while ago

el tel · 15-12-2005 9:31am

If you go to wreckedexotics.com you'll see that the Murcilago pics are not fake. They have many more shots of it, from every angle.

Kersh · 15-12-2005 9:55am

What about these................

Oh and a serious one -

BrianD3 · 15-12-2005 10:11am

I feel a little uneasy posting this as it doesn't seem right to do this kind of online rubbernecking. Anyhow, by far the most and worst wrecks I've seen on the internet are on the website of the Hungarian fire service. The site is in Hungarian but can be easily searched using google. A lot of the crashes are obviously fatal. Here is an example - Renault Megane mangled by a bus.
http://langlovagok.hu/kepek2005/kecskemet/050731_54buszrenault.shtml

ciarsd · 15-12-2005 10:21am

holy sh!t Kersh, what happened that 355 to cause an engine amputation?!

Kersh · 15-12-2005 11:16am

Dunno, it was a big one anyway... front looks 'undamaged' too. He was probably parked with his ar5e on a yellow junction box

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PaddyFagan · 15-12-2005 11:33am

The sign in the foreground is RR for Rail Road - seems plausable that it was hit by a train? Probably tried to race though the junction, and wasn't quick enough.....

(In fact you can see the railway crossing in the background....)

Paddy

junkyard · 15-12-2005 1:26pm

Heres another few.

Interceptor · 15-12-2005 1:40pm

BrianD3 wrote:

Here is an example - Renault Megane mangled by a bus.
http://langlovagok.hu/kepek2005/kecskemet/050731_54buszrenault.shtml

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/50494/20818.jpg

Five Euro NCAP stars my hole. French tinfoil-and-tupperware rubbish.

'c

el tel · 15-12-2005 2:03pm

junkyard wrote:

Heres another few.

crash66.jpg is a good one - not unlike Citroen's latest ad campaign. Perhaps it's their latest adjustable suspension based parking aid.

ciarsd · 15-12-2005 2:16pm

junkyards, megane coupé pics are weird! how the heck did the driver get caught up and wrapped around in that!

mike65 · 15-12-2005 7:18pm

Sniff!

Mike.

Abelloid · 15-12-2005 7:28pm

The wreck that brings a tear to my eye is the one when a transporter carrying vintage
Porsche 356 speedsters and coupes bottomed out on a railroad crossing, all were destroyed when the train struck. :eek:
The collection belonged to one person too

astec123 · 15-12-2005 7:28pm

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/murcielago/murcielago_20040407_001.shtml

I think it is a fake as its got european plates in AU!?! The shadows dont look correct and the car in the posted image doesnt look right. May be real but I somehow dont think so.

Abelloid · 15-12-2005 7:31pm

astec123 wrote:

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/murcielago/murcielago_20040407_001.shtml

I think it is a fake as its got european plates in AU!?! The shadows dont look correct and the car in the posted image doesnt look right. May be real but I somehow dont think so.

G'day mate, read it again- it says Austria

lomb · 15-12-2005 9:21pm

JustinOval wrote:

The wreck that brings a tear to my eye is the one when a transporter carrying vintage
Porsche 356 speedsters and coupes bottomed out on a railroad crossing, all were destroyed when the train struck. :eek:
The collection belonged to one person too

as the mechanic in doc holywood said to michael j fox "i can fix that"

junkyard · 15-12-2005 11:37pm

Any of the new Renaults are no better however they got their ratings. Having seen and towed many Renaults I'd have to say that I would hate to be in a bad crash in one of them, they just disintergrate when they hit anything more so than any other car. Even the stronger sections seem to be much weaker than other makes.

ds20prefecture · 15-12-2005 11:46pm

They're designed to disintegrate. If you sit inside a solid lump of metal, you absorb all of the energy of a crash. If the car absorbs most of it, so much the better.

Most of these crash shots show the cars after the emergency services have cut the unfortunates out - hence the truly mangled appearance.

BrianD3 · 16-12-2005 12:09pm

junkyard wrote:

Any of the new Renaults are no better however they got their ratings. Having seen and towed many Renaults I'd have to say that I would hate to be in a bad crash in one of them, they just disintergrate when they hit anything more so than any other car. Even the stronger sections seem to be much weaker than other makes.

More unfounded Renault bashing from you junkyard, first you say they're assembled like an "airfix kit without the glue", now they're deathtraps in a crash as well.

Objective evidence points to Renaults being pretty safe in a crash. Even if you leave aside EuroNCAP. For instance the Folksam group in Sweden analyses real life crashes and rates the Megane and Laguna highly. Also look at honestjohn.co.uk and you'll see that the old Megane has a 3 out of 9 point rating for fatal crashes. Not sure exactly where this comes from but again it is based on real life data. Lower is better the Jag XJ and Toyota Landcruiser VX have similarly low ratings.

Re: the photos of the Megane that has been hit by a bus. It would have been a similar result had it been any other car. Bus side impacting car at speed = always disasterous for the car. As for the the photos of the Megane that is wrapped around the Armco barrier. Try this in a "solid" car like a 3 series and Golf, I guarantee that the result will be much the same.

junkyard · 16-12-2005 1:53pm

As far as I'm concerned Renaults are not a strong car, you don't have to take my word for it ask any panel beater. In my opinion modern cars are not well built in general. If you compare a Japanese car to a European car you will find that find that the Japanese car is, in fact, better built and easier to work on. There seems to be too much use of plastic to be safe. French cars in general seem very flimsy in their construction, but then again I only work on them, tow them and scrap them for a living and have seen them and other cars, first hand after crashes, what would I know. Don't believe everything you read in a car magazine.

BrianD3 · 16-12-2005 2:47pm

junkyard wrote:

As far as I'm concerned Renaults are not a strong car, you don't have to take my word for it ask any panel beater. In my opinion modern cars are not well built in general. If you compare a Japanese car to a European car you will find that find that the Japanese car is, in fact, better built and easier to work on. There seems to be too much use of plastic to be safe. French cars in general seem very flimsy in their construction, but then again I only work on them, tow them and scrap them for a living and have seen them and other cars, first hand after crashes, what would I know. Don't believe everything you read in a car magazine.

Sorry, but since when did panel beaters and those who tow and scrap cars become experts on car safety. So no, I won't take your word for it. I'd prefer to look at objective scientific and statistical evidence from the likes of EuroNCAP, MIRA, IIHS, Folksam, TUV, ADAC etc.

Browse the website of the Hungarian fire service. You will see crashes between all different types of "strong" and "weak" cars. BMWs vs Suzukis, Mercs vs Fiats etc. Some of the results might surprise you. An awful lot depends on the angle of the hit, the height of bumpers and loads of other factors.

And as DS has already stated, modern cars are *supposed* to crumple up in a crash so it's not even about strength. Crash a 1950s Cadillac tank into a modern BMW with both going 30 mph and see what happens to a) the cars b) the occupants. Your BMW doesn't look so "strong" now as the Cadillac will rip through the front end like its made of tinfoil. But at least its occupants will be alive - unlike the Cadillacs.

MercMad · 16-12-2005 3:10pm

And as DS has already stated, modern cars are *supposed* to crumple up in a crash so it's not even about strength. Crash a 1950s Cadillac tank into a modern BMW with both going 30 mph and see what happens to a) the cars b) the occupants. Your BMW doesn't look so "strong" now as the Cadillac will rip through the front end like its made of tinfoil. But at least its occupants will be alive - unlike the Cadillacs.

...........I'm still buying a '59 ok ?? !!

Corben Dallas · 16-12-2005 3:28pm

Id rather still be in the Caddy, rip up that beemer like tin foil.

Cadillac > Beemer.

el tel · 16-12-2005 4:24pm

Ever-so-slightly off topic, but anyone remember the Audi 'procon ten' system of the 80s? Apart from it being mentioned in their ads at the time, never really heard much more about it or its effectiveness.

Regading Renaults, I like the plastic wings on the Megane which can be pushed right in and still retain their shape. However when they do get broken the shards and sharp edges are like knives.

BrianD3 · 16-12-2005 4:29pm

Ficus wrote:

I refer back to an experiment done last year between a 20 year old espace and a brand new espace done on 5th gear. they had a head on inpact at 35mph. the old espace was wreced with a total failure of the cabin and full intrusion of the engine and dash into the footwell and the driver. the safety expert confirmed that the occupant would be dead.
on the other hand, the new espace was damaged badly yes, but the cabin was fully intact and they occupant would have had no problem walking away .

Ah but the test with the new Espace doesn't count because it only hit another Renault. Should have used a 1985 VW Polo instead, now that's a safe vehicle. German engineering and all that.

Good thing they didn't use an Alfa Romeo in the test though. There wouldn't have been a crash at all as the Alfa would have broken down before it happened.

BrianD3 · 16-12-2005 4:46pm

el tel wrote:

Ever-so-slightly off topic, but anyone remember the Audi 'procon ten' system of the 80s? Apart from it being mentioned in their ads at the time, never really heard much more about it or its effectiveness.

Regading Renaults, I like the plastic wings on the Megane which can be pushed right in and still retain their shape. However when they do get broken the shards and sharp edges are like knives.

AFAIK Procon Ten wasn't marketed very well by Audi and it never caught on. So everyone else went down the airbag route and after a while Audi followed suit. Procon Ten was probably harder for Joe Public to understand and visualise. Also there were reports of Audis needing expensive repairs after low speed crashes due to the Procon Ten starting to work.

As for the Renault wings, from what I see they tear off and break very easily in low speed crashes. This may be one reason why Renaults are seen as weak. OTOH as you say they sustain no damage in parking knocks that would dent a metal wing.

In any case the plastic wings play litttle or no part in the absorption of a major impact, it's the metal structures underneath (inner wings and chassis rails etc.) that do this.

Anyone remember the crash test on top gear where a human tester drove a Megane II into the side of a Mondeo at 30 mph. The Megane was barely damaged and could probably have driven away. Whereas the Mondeo bent like a banana. This was not surprising due to a) it being a side impact, the Megane would have sustained a lot of damage if side impacted by the Mondeo b) the Mondeo being a 1993 design.

It would have been interesting if they had done a head on impact with a human tester driving the Megane....I'd say he still would have walked away.

junkyard · 16-12-2005 8:18pm

I still wouldn't buy a Renault, having seen car accidents first hand the evidence speaks for itself. I also think the 30 mph is unrealistic and the angle of impact. But personally I like a stronger car, thats my basic point but I also stick to what I've said in previous posts. I believe what I see and the day I see other wise I'll let you know.:)
Its a good job Renaults are so safe.....they need to be.www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=57&t=172863

BrianD3 · 17-12-2005 1:10pm

Junkyard I hope you were watching the feature on road safety on the Late Late last night. If not its repeated on monday night. They showed a Renault 25 rear ending a Ford Orion at IIRC 50 mph. The passenger compartment of the Ford folded up like tinfoil and anyone in the back seats would have been killed. Anyone in the front seats would have been killed or seriously injured. The R25 was badly damaged but the passenger area was intact and anyone inside would have lived. Does this mean that Fords are deathtraps? No. There are a number of factors which need to be considered when evaluating this crash. I haven't time to explain them.

PS in case any smartarse decides to point out that Renault sponsor the Late Late and that therefore they must have rigged the test. The test was not carried out by the Late Late, I believe it was one of the Fifth Gear crashes. It was merely a coincidence that there was a Renault used.

junkyard · 17-12-2005 10:52pm

More photos, no Renaults this time.;)

junkyard · 18-12-2005 11:27am

This is the only Merc. SLR crash I've come across so far.

Litcagral · 18-12-2005 11:42am

What is meant by "wreak of the day"? I see a lot of wrecks but still have'nt spotted a "wreak"!!!

Squirrel · 18-12-2005 12:00pm

junkyard wrote:

This is the only Merc. SLR crash I've come across so far.

Is that Prince Naseem's one?

junkyard · 18-12-2005 12:03pm

What kind of wreck do you want? If you mean Irish wrecks, I'm only warming up untill we get some ice (pardon the pun):)Don't get me wrong I've crashed myself a few times.

Yes Squirrel it is, there were some more pictures on wrecked exotics but they don't seem to be there at the moment.

Squirrel · 18-12-2005 12:06pm

junkyard wrote:

What kind of wreck do you want? If you mean Irish wrecks, I'm only warming up untill we get some ice (pardon the pun):)Don't get me wrong I've crashed myself a few times.

I think he was trying to be funny on the mis-spelling of wreck, bit of a tosser to me. I did have pics of our old Micra which rear ended someone a few years ago, don't know where they are now though. Not really fancy or anything

junkyard · 18-12-2005 12:15pm

To be honest Squirrel most of the Irish stuff won't be anything spectacular when you consider what cars are on the road here anyway.When it comes to spelling, "Let he without sin cast the first stone". I already made my excuses, if you want it hand written PM me your fax number and I'll send it on to you Litcagral.:p

ando · 18-12-2005 12:45pm

bit ironic isn't it. Man killed by speed camera

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/50494/20881.jpg

Squirrel · 18-12-2005 1:17pm

junkyard wrote:

To be honest Squirrel most of the Irish stuff won't be anything spectacular when you consider what cars are on the road here anyway.When it comes to spelling, "Let he without sin cast the first stone". I already made my excuses, if you want it hand written PM me your fax number and I'll send it on to you Litcagral.:p

I've no problem with mis-spelling once everything is readable, or close enough. My spelling's not perfect. I suppose Litcagral thought it was funny. How about we don't go near hand-writing, mine's so bad it's unreal.

We don't really have the calibre of cars here I'd definately agree with you. But this is just crazy, my dad has one of these

BrianD3 · 18-12-2005 1:36pm

skibum · 18-12-2005 2:38pm

Some good ones herehttp://www.car-accidents.com/pages/car_accident_photo.html

Alfasudcrazy · 18-12-2005 3:20pm

BrianD3 wrote:

Good thing they didn't use an Alfa Romeo in the test though. There wouldn't have been a crash at all as the Alfa would have broken down before it happened.:D

ALFA ALERT : ALFA ALERT : ALFA ALERT: *deploys the troops*

Some more crashes.:eek:

Alfasudcrazy · 18-12-2005 3:22pm

Alfasudcrazy · 18-12-2005 3:23pm

Abelloid · 18-12-2005 8:14pm

qz · 18-12-2005 8:46pm

The pic of the M3 on page 2 is sickening. I'm actually angry now.

TempestSabre · 18-12-2005 8:52pm

ando wrote:

bit ironic isn't it. Man killed by speed camera

https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/50494/20881.jpg

It just proves it was in the right place...

Just shows you that at high speed, or if your hit in the wrong place, you're screwed.

Wreak of the day;

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