Handcuffs

cormie

Hi,
I've been thinking about buying a good set of handcuffs, just in case. I've always thought, if an incedent occured on the likes of the bus or dart, where say an individual was causing trouble, perhaps they had a drug problem, which could indicate sharing needles, which could indicate disease, instead of having to render them unconscious and risk bleeding, it would be a lot safer for everyone if they were handcuffed to one of the seats/hand bars etc. You would have to have a good opportunity to use it alright, but in some cases it would be a great option. Where would you get a decent pair of handcuffs that actually work?

Any thoughts?

columok

If you're interested in self preservation work your cardio, learn a foreign language, do more swimming, train first aid.

But don't buy handcuffs and carry them around with you until something bad happens. Seriously.:)

vasch_ro

I agree with the sage Columok, the ones the Gardai use are smith and wesson,
although the prison service have cool rigid types(not sure who makes them), but seriously it can be really hard to cuff an non compliant person,
my advice leave well enough alone,either take colums advice, join the Garda Service or restrain your handcuff technique to the bedroom enviroment !:)

cormie

hehe, but the thing is, you could be presented with the opportunity, unlikely, but if you were, would it not be handy to have a pair in your bag ready for the unexpected?

carbsy

cormie wrote:

, instead of having to render them unconscious and risk bleeding,

haha are you for real? :rolleyes: Ease off the puter games.

dlofnep

Handcuffs are for Garda.. And sometimes, bedrooms.

cormie

carbsy wrote:

haha are you for real? :rolleyes: Ease off the puter games.

Hehe, I only play pro evo, no fighting in that so I'm basically, as I said, talking about if given the perfect opportunity. And no I'm not talking about saving some beautiful lady from getting her handbag stolen and her calling me her hero after;)

breadmonkey

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

cormie

Why? What would you do in such a circumstance?

breadmonkey

Do you fancy yourself as some sort of Batman? Forget the handcuffs, I think you should look into a fully fledged utility belt.

cormie

So what would you do if some junkie who was off his face was basically putting a whole dart carriage at risk if he could be, with a bit of luck, hehe, be handcuffed until the authorities were called?

SoBe

cormie eastwood :- "go ahead punk make my day"

cormie

If I feel threatened I'll do something about it:cool: more than likely wet myself

Thomas_S_Hunterson

cormie wrote:

So what would you do if some junkie who was off his face was basically putting a whole dart carriage at risk if he could be, with a bit of luck, hehe, be handcuffed until the authorities were called?

While your motives are honourable, as a civillian handcuffing someone is probably illegal and you leave yourself open to lawsuits etc, if the party who is handcuffed gets injured, even if self inflicted, while in your 'custody'

fightin irish

cormie wrote:

So what would you do if some junkie who was off his face was basically putting a whole dart carriage at risk if he could be, with a bit of luck, hehe, be handcuffed until the authorities were called?

And how do you intend putting the handcuffs on in the first place? Oh excuse me mr junkie can you just stay still a sec, I wanna stick these on ya?

Point is your gonna have to use force, Give him a good smack and then handcuff him, Wouls you be willing to do that?

SoBe

i have a pair laying around the bedroom here somewhere you could borrow them if ya want.oh wait ..... errr.....mabey i should have posted in the sex and sexuality forum :cool:

Thomas_S_Hunterson

I think the best option would be to not get involved, you risk getting a needle stuck in your arm, or a knife through your chest. Is it really worth it

cormie

But what if I have that risk already? If for example the chap was holding onto a rail and had someone else cornered, you could whip them out and whip them around the rail and his hand, remember, he may be out of it so it could be very possible. then the person cornered can leg it and everyone just keep a safe distance.

You see I don't think any of us know what we would do if something was to happen. But how about if someone else was involved, they knocked him out cold, rather than doing any further damage to keep him knocked out, simply whip out the handcuffs and keep him restrained until the authorities come. Like you never know, if you kept a pair in your bag, they could come in handy, would you prefer to be with or without?

Thomas_S_Hunterson

By the same logic though, would it not be reasonable to say that we should no longer eat any food which carries a cancer risk (which is just about every food on the planet)

breadmonkey

Cormie,

You you think you could knock someone out, or render them unconscious? Frankly, carrying handcuffs around is stupid, and best left to the police. In fact, why don';t you join the Gardaí and forget the superhero stuff?

EDIT: Actually, I don't think I'd want Corman as a Garda

cormie

So if you or somebody else happened to be in a scenario where they ended up temporarily disabling somebody and had the opportunity to use handcuffs to restrain them, do you not think it would be good to have them? I remember I knew of some guy who chased after somebody who robbed a ladies handbag, jumped on him and held him there till the Garda came, this would have been a lot safer for the chaser if he could have handcuffed him to somewhere. If you're prepared to take a risk, it's best if you can reduce that risk to a minimum and handcuffs would do that.

breadmonkey

How exactly would you get the handcuffs on him whilst holding him down?

SoBe

did you ever watch any of those cop shows on tv?there are times it takes 6-8 cops to handcuff someone that is fighting back.

judomick

cormie = TROLL

cormie

I'm not saying handcuffs are going to save the day and turn me into some invincible hero. I'm saying, if I find myself in a situation, handcuffs could come in handy. Basically, would you prefer to have the option of handcuffs or not? I know I would choose to have them.

Cake Fiend

In the interest of your own safety, I recommend getting rid of your TV

mk sbgn

cormie wrote:

I'm not saying handcuffs are going to save the day and turn me into some invincible hero. I'm saying, if I find myself in a situation, handcuffs could come in handy. Basically, would you prefer to have the option of handcuffs or not? I know I would choose to have them.

if i was to choose i would choose my fists....f$&k the hand cuffs

breadmonkey

judomick wrote:

cormie = TROLL

Normally I would agree but he has 4000+ posts and would have be found ou tby now. I fear he in genuine. *shudder*

did you ever watch any of those cop shows on tv?there are times it takes 6-8 cops to handcuff someone that is fighting back.

That's because they aren't trained properly.

cormie

Hehe, Sico, I don't watch tv, I'd say I watch maybe an hours tv a month if even.

mksbgn, would handcuffs not be handy to have after you've landed a few punches, as I said, keep going and you could cut your knuckles and blood could transfer and walla, you're infected.

SoBe

breadmonkey wrote:

That's because they aren't trained properly.

and cormie is?

i was just pointing out the guy wouldnt just be laying motionless letting cormie put on the cuffs

judomick

good point Mr.BreadMonkey,

Cormie do you have and grappling experience?

How many times have you been in a situation where you think the use of handcuffs would have been warranted outside of a bedroom?

cormie

Breadmonkey, seriously, if you found yourself in the situation where you had your DAP/laptop/phone stolen and just say you tripped up the thief and perhaps he banged his head off one of them concrete mounted bike lock poles, what do you do? One option would be, while he is dazed, to handcuff him, call the cops, give them the key to open the handcuffs and wait until they come to get your item back off him. What would you have done without the handcuffs?

mk sbgn

[QUOTE=cormie
mksbgn, would handcuffs not be handy to have after you've landed a few punches, as I said, keep going and you could cut your knuckles and blood could transfer and walla, you're infected.[/QUOTE]

well just saying i think it would be easier to use your fists then a bleeding handcuff

breadmonkey

cormie wrote:

Breadmonkey, seriously, if you found yourself in the situation where you had your DAP/laptop/phone stolen and just say you tripped up the thief and perhaps he banged his head off one of them concrete mounted bike lock poles, what do you do? One option would be, while he is dazed, to handcuff him, call the cops, give them the key to open the handcuffs and wait until they come to get your item back off him. What would you have done without the handcuffs?

Hold him down and get a passer by to call the cops. But the situation you describe is so specific.

cormie

I know it's specific, that's my point though, in specific situations they would be very handy. Anyway, passers by these days are exactly that, passers by, and if you had to hold them down until the Gardai came, well that could be 5 minutes or even longer, if you have the ability to keep the culpret held down then you probably have the ability to cuff them allowing you to keep a safe distance.

breadmonkey

cormie wrote:

I know it's specific, that's my point though, in specific situations they would be very handy. Anyway, passers by these days are exactly that, passers by, and if you had to hold them down until the Gardai came, well that could be 5 minutes or even longer, if you have the ability to keep the culpret held down then you probably have the ability to cuff them allowing you to keep a safe distance.

If you had him held down, attempting to cuff him would only give him opportunity to escape IMO.

Rabies

What the hell.

cormie, have you ever been in a situation where you needed to handcuff someone.
It is one on the most stupid ideas I have ever heard.
One person alone wouyld find it very hard to handcuff someone.

Please put your Argos Batman suit back in the box. Return it and ask for a refund before you harm yourself.

Cake Fiend

Get yourself one of these instead...

I'd be amazed if handcuffing someone isn't illegal.

Rabies

Wouldn't recommend the Supperman suit Sico. He had super powers. Might lead cormie to believe the same.

breadmonkey

No Sico, what he needs is one of these

Rabies

Breadmonkey, this would be a safer option

judomick

cormie can you answer my last post please

cormie

You're hilarious folks;)

Judomick, no trained grappling experience and have never been in a situation where I have needed handcuffs. However, that's not to say I wont be.

Can each of you who have replied saying it's a bad idea, or to get one of them nerd guns etc, tell me what you would do in the above scenario quoted here:

if you found yourself in the situation where you had your DAP/laptop/phone stolen and just say you tripped up the thief and perhaps he banged his head off one of them concrete mounted bike lock poles, what do you do? One option would be, while he is dazed, to handcuff him, call the cops, give them the key to open the handcuffs and wait until they come to get your item back off him.

This situation is quite unlikely but what if it actually happened and you just so happened to have handcuffs, would you feel they would come in handy in this situation? Is there no situation in the world you may find yourself in that a pair of handcuffs would not help you out?

judomick

you never will be in a situation where use of handcuffs are warranted and you are able to apply without some sort of control or restraint so stop trolling


wave goodbye to your laptop and claim the insurance, your posts are bordering on trolling,

because you asked for advice/opinion everyone has told you its a bad idea and your not listening so you must really like those shiny handcuffs

lets say your still serious buy the handcuffs and play with the other kids in your class so at least you have trained a little resistance before terrorising the stoned dazed laptop robbing community of dublin

columok

if you found yourself in the situation where you had your DAP/laptop/phone stolen and just say you tripped up the thief and perhaps he banged his head off one of them concrete mounted bike lock poles, what do you do? One option would be, while he is dazed, to handcuff him, call the cops, give them the key to open the handcuffs and wait until they come to get your item back off him.

I'd make sure that he didnt have a serious head injury and see if the fella needed an ambulance.

Also... I'm sure vasch-ro would have his own views but a good life idea is not to try and vigilante chase peopel over material goods. Is a shiv in your liver worth a €100 phone?

Thomas_S_Hunterson

Instead of using hand cuffs, how bout this little beat, think of all that taxpayers money we would save

cormie

judomick wrote:

you never will be in a situation where use of handcuffs are warranted and you are able to apply without some sort of control or restraint so stop trolling


wave goodbye to your laptop and claim the insurance, your posts are bordering on trolling,

because you asked for advice/opinion everyone has told you its a bad idea and your not listening so you must really like those shiny handcuffs

lets say your still serious buy the handcuffs and play with the other kids in your class so at least you have trained a little resistance before terrorising the stoned dazed laptop robbing community of dublin

Just saw your signature :rolleyes: I'm not too sure what the definition of "trolling" is, but I didn't start this post for anything other than what I requested in the original post. From my first post I outlined that the situation would have to be the right one. Anyway, it's not just material things that could be involved in a situation. If you needed to protect a loved one. Perhaps you have extremely valuable files stored on your laptop, perhaps there is something very special other than your laptop in your laptop bag. If done correctly, it's a non violent way to restrain somebody. I think it's quite obvious that they would come in useful in rare circumstances, no matter how rare. After all, they do sell...

80 items found for handcuffs in Personal Security (Ebay)

SoBe

cormie wrote:

80 items found for handcuffs in Personal Security (Ebay)

and 79 will be sold to be used in a bedroom i bet

cormie

hehe, well I was just pointing out the Personal Security results from "1238 items found for handcuffs"

Clive

As someone who has restrained junkies and drunks, my advice is to forget handcuffs and learn some BJJ, judo or wrestling.

As for handcuffs - put it this way, firemen have to pass a course to cuff people, so what would the Guards think of you doing it?

If you're really desperate to tie someone up, buy some cable ties.

cormie

I'm sure if there were witnesses it wouldn't be a problem. I'm sure it's not a long course either, although, who knows! I think it would be a good solution if there was a maniac on the dart. They could be mentally unstable and threatening and may be putting all the passengers at risk and fear. Ok, there is of course a risk of trying anything, but if pulled off correctly, well then you have reduced the risk of any further occurances greatly, without harming somebody. Just use your imagination to think of situations and It's quite easy to realise that on a rare occasion, they could be a great tool. I'm repeating myself here a bit too much, I've said the same thing a few times now. Sure we'll agree to disagree.