XBOX 360 or PS3

muffin_man

The question everyone wants an answer to:

Should I get the new XBOX or hold out for the PS3? Which one is better?

Kinetic^

muffin_man wrote:

The question everyone wants an answer to:

Should I get the new XBOX or hold out for the PS3? Which one is better?

Why not get both Muffin Man?

RobertFoster

Why are you asking on an Xbox forum, where answers are likely to be biased...?

Laguna

Live in the now, get a 360. I can't understand people who are always looking off into the future and waiting for something else to come along, for example, a good few of my friends were going to get a Dreamcast then decided on the eve of launch to wait for a PS2, on the eve of launch of the PS2 they decided to hold out for an Xbox.

I have a 360 myself and am very impressed with the prospect of games to come on the basis of the hardware, I'll admit to you now that no launch game has impressed me so far and the only game I'm really looking forward to is Elder Scrolls:Oblivion.

The PS3 is mooted to be in the £400 range on its released so when they do their conversion into € for us living in treasure ireland, that could mean anything €500+. I say get an Xbox 360 in a few months when there's better games and see how the PS3 turns out...

god's toy

One reason to get the Xbox 360 is LIVE! If sony can match that I will get one too.

projectmayhem

Laguna wrote:

The PS3 is mooted to be in the £400 range on its released so when they do their conversion into € for us living in treasure ireland, that could mean anything €500+. I say get an Xbox 360 in a few months when there's better games and see how the PS3 turns out...

$400*
slight difference.

and word on the streetZ is that the price'll be xbox360-esque to keep in competiton, and they'll have 2 ps3's. one cheaper, one not so cheap, as per xbox

Bluehair

projectmayhem wrote:

$400*
slight difference.

and word on the streetZ is that the price'll be xbox360-esque to keep in competiton, and they'll have 2 ps3's. one cheaper, one not so cheap, as per xbox

Any links? What are they planning on losing from the PS3 to get a cheaper package?

kaisersose77

I wouldnt pay any attention to prices atm, a japanese release date has not been mentioned never mind a us/european release date. They are not going to say it is going to cost more than the 360 even though going by the blu ray etc, it will more than likely be more expensive. But should be a very good console given the time they have to release it.

Laguna

projectmayhem wrote:

$400*
slight difference.

Yeah, in the same way the premium xbox 360 came out for $300 in America but €410 here, how's that for a 'slight difference'

Don't try and apply logic to the pricing strategy of a foreign company launching something in the EU zone.

jonnybadd

Nope as far as I know the premium retailed for $400

EDIT: Yup $399 from best buy http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=999947300050001&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat66900050001&id=pcmprd47500050001

Royale with Cheese

Laguna wrote:

Live in the now, get a 360. I can't understand people who are always looking off into the future and waiting for something else to come along, for example, a good few of my friends were going to get a Dreamcast then decided on the eve of launch to wait for a PS2, on the eve of launch of the PS2 they decided to hold out for an Xbox.

I have a 360 myself and am very impressed with the prospect of games to come on the basis of the hardware, I'll admit to you now that no launch game has impressed me so far and the only game I'm really looking forward to is Elder Scrolls:Oblivion.

The PS3 is mooted to be in the £400 range on its released so when they do their conversion into € for us living in treasure ireland, that could mean anything €500+. I say get an Xbox 360 in a few months when there's better games and see how the PS3 turns out...

Some people (myself included) are full time students and don't have €500 to be throwing around whenever they feel like it. I think it's perfectly acceptable to wait until the ps3 comes out to make a decision. I mean the complaints about 360 consoles crashing and the lack of a good games line up hardly inspires me to go out and get a 360 now. For myself buying both consoles is just not an option and this won't be a casual purchase for me. I will wait for the ps3 to be released, see if it's as good as Sony claim it to be and then make a decision. Also an announcment about the rights to any further GTA games would greatly affect my decision.

Laguna

Royale with Cheese wrote:

Some people (myself included) are full time students and don't have €500 to be throwing around whenever they feel like it.

I finished being a full time student myself last June, I never had a great deal of money yet I didn't claim to be the 'poor student', students sould manage their money better. The reason so many students in this country dine out on the 'poor student' claim is simple, they drink all their grant money (if they claim a grant) or spend all their part time job money on drink and then say "Sure, I'm only a student, I'm broke!".

I saved up for this console week by week since June, I'm not one of these types you refer to who are able to throw €500 when I 'feel like it'.

Royale with Cheese

Laguna wrote:

I finished being a full time student myself last June, I never had a great deal of money yet I didn't claim to be the 'poor student', students sould manage their money better. The reason so many students in this country dine out on the 'poor student' claim is simple, they drink all their grant money (if they claim a grant) or spend all their part time job money on drink and then say "Sure, I'm only a student, I'm broke!".

I saved up for this console week by week since June, I'm not one of these types you refer to who are able to throw €500 when I 'feel like it'.

Good for you but If you were a proper student you would have drank your money as well. I like games, I also like drinking. I don't feel I need 2 consoles, it would be nice but I'm not busting my balls and staying in every weekend for 2 months to get them.

Laguna

Royale with Cheese wrote:

Good for you but If you were a proper student you would have drank your money as well

I'm not a proper student because I don't drink to excess and ended up getting a first in my degree?, yeah - okay, that's a good one, I must be one of those fake students that fill 1st year in colleges around the country up until christmas, then *POOF*.. they're gone.

Moving on, I was saying the guy may as well get a 360 in a few months as it's a good machine, irrespective of its comparison to the forthcoming PS3 and that way he can play next generation titles whilst he's waiting to see what the PS3 is like.

Royale with Cheese

Laguna wrote:

I'm not a proper student because I don't drink to excess and ended up getting a first in my degree?, yeah - okay, that's a good one, I must be one of those fake students that fill 1st year in colleges around the country up until christmas, then *POOF*.. they're gone.

Moving on, I was saying the guy may as well get a 360 in a few months as it's a good machine, irrespective of its comparison to the forthcoming PS3 and that way he can play next generation titles whilst he's waiting to see what the PS3 is like.

No you said you couldn't understand why people would wait for the next console to come along, and I gave you a reason why people like me would. My comment about the proper student was not really about drinking, it was about having a social life (i.e. doing anything social, Ireland was bloody expensive last time I checked). If you're a full time student and have a part time job (say 12 hours a week like did for my first 2 years) you will not be able to afford everything you want. If you want to own every console that comes along prepare to spend your money on gaming and nothing else.

P.S. I couldn't give a sh*t what you got in your degree.

Laguna

Royale with Cheese wrote:

No you said you couldn't understand why people would wait for the next console to come along, and I gave you a reason why people like me would. My comment about the proper student was not really about drinking, it was about having a social life (i.e. doing anything social, Ireland was bloody expensive last time I checked). If you're a full time student and have a part time job (say 12 hours a week like did for my first 2 years) you will not be able to afford everything you want. If you want to own every console that comes along prepare to spend your money on gaming and nothing else.

P.S. I couldn't give a sh*t what you got in your degree.

Someone who claims to be a poor student and that they can't afford to splash around €500 then illustrates the reason for this to be because they drink?, well, lets try and find the logic in that.

Shows your level of social discussion skills when you choose to launch a pithy attempt at a personal insult with your "p.s" diatribe.

Good luck my friend!

Royale with Cheese

Laguna wrote:

Someone who claims to be a poor student and that they can't afford to splash around €500 then illustrates the reason for this to be because they drink?, well, lets try and find the logic in that.

Shows your level of social discussion skills when you choose to launch a pithy attempt at a personal insult with your "p.s" diatribe.

Good luck my friend!

You're not getting this are you? Students generally don't have massive amounts of money. There are other things to do besides gaming. These things also cost money (drinking, general socialising, food/transport, other hobbies). Therefore students will not be able to afford to buy both consoles hence my original post.

Just why did you feel the need to tell us you got a 1st then?

HornPilot

It's fairly simple here lads, if your a casual gamer and do most if not all your gaming offline then get a ps3. If really into your gaming and like the fun and extra challenge of online gaming then the 360 is your only man...the ps3 wont touch xbox live and I can safely say that now!!

But either way I will probably end up buying both as the ps3 wont be out for ages and ill be able to save up for that without any problems.

Laguna

Royale with Cheese wrote:

Just why did you feel the need to tell us you got a 1st then?

Because you inferred I was not a proper student..

Royale with Cheese wrote:

If you were a proper student you would have drank your money as well

My point was, if someone who ends up getting their degree is not a proper student, what is?

Royale with Cheese

Laguna wrote:

Because you inferred I was not a proper student..

My point was, if someone who ends up getting their degree is not a proper student, what is?

Here look I'm not saying you weren't a proper student. More that most students do drink and like to socialise and spend money on socialising, that being the stereotypical view of a student... hence these people being 'proper' students. I wasn't being 100% serious with my remark. These people do not have so much money to spend on luxury goods like games consoles... hence my original post.

flogen

Well, this is just what sony want, they've released enough about the ps3 to get some people to wait and see, even though nothing solid exists on the machine, launch date, price or exact specs.

I don't get the wait and see idea either, just bite the bullet if you can afford to, if you don't want to take the risk, don't.
It's like not buying a DVD because you want to wait and see what the blu ray version is like.

Laguna

flogen wrote:

Well, this is just what sony want, they've released enough about the ps3 to get some people to wait and see, even though nothing solid exists on the machine, launch date, price or exact specs.

I don't get the wait and see idea either, just bite the bullet if you can afford to, if you don't want to take the risk, don't.
It's like not buying a DVD because you want to wait and see what the blu ray version is like.

Yeah and the worst part of this predicament is, if the PS3 ends up not living up to expectations, all the people who waited will think ahh **** it, I waited; I may as well get it now it's here. I take my hat off to Sony's marketing department, with no rival console on release, they've taken as many sales away from Microsoft as if they had released on the same day thanks to their press releases.

steviec

Personally I'd say wait and see, unless your planning to buy both (like I am, I've got a 360 but I'm definitely getting a PS3 too)

If you're only going to get one, then you should definitely give it time rather than just buying whatever comes out first. If you don't like what you see when the PS3 comes out, the xbox 360 will be cheaper then than it is now, and will be a lot easier to get your hands on and have a bigger games library too. And if the PS3 looks much better, then you'll be able to get it rather than being stuck with the 360 you bought.

Stompbox

Muffin Man,check out IGN for '10 Reasons Why You Should Wait For The PS3'. Its unreal.The launch titles include:

Devil May Cry 4
Metal Gear Solid:Guns Of The Patriot
Killzone 2
Gran Turismo Vision

If thats not the best launch title line-up in history I dont know what is.I'm getting the XBOX 360 and the PS3 but am looking forward to the PS3 a hell of a lot more.

projectmayhem

Sweet wrote:

Muffin Man,check out IGN for '10 Reasons Why You Should Wait For The PS3'. Its unreal.The launch titles include:

Devil May Cry 4
Metal Gear Solid:Guns Of The Patriot
Killzone 2
Gran Turismo Vision

If thats not the best launch title line-up in history I dont know what is.I'm getting the XBOX 360 and the PS3 but am looking forward to the PS3 a hell of a lot more.

there's like 100 other titles for japan which'll probably end up over here too. and then there's the "other" big gun... GTA, which, if not released at launch, will be released only a few months after

Bluehair wrote:

Any links? What are they planning on losing from the PS3 to get a cheaper package?

google is your only man. it's only a rumour though. probably loose HD and wireless, same as microsoft.. as i said

Laguna wrote:

Yeah, in the same way the premium xbox 360 came out for $300 in America but €410 here, how's that for a 'slight difference'

Don't try and apply logic to the pricing strategy of a foreign company launching something in the EU zone.

dunno where you got your figures from, because they're wrong.

Ri_Nollaig

Sweet wrote:

The launch titles include:

Devil May Cry 4
Metal Gear Solid:Guns Of The Patriot
Killzone 2
Gran Turismo Vision

the 360 had some very impressive titles lined up too such as gears of war, elder scrolls 4 and ghost recon but all delayed.
so dont relay on those release dates just yet. their isnt even a release date for japan and i dont think they are planning on a worldwide release so it could be as late as next christmas by the time we can have our hands on it...

GrumPy

Sweet wrote:

Muffin Man,check out IGN for '10 Reasons Why You Should Wait For The PS3'. Its unreal.The launch titles include:

Devil May Cry 4
Metal Gear Solid:Guns Of The Patriot
Killzone 2
Gran Turismo Vision

If thats not the best launch title line-up in history I dont know what is.I'm getting the XBOX 360 and the PS3 but am looking forward to the PS3 a hell of a lot more.

360 will have some hot ass games by the time 360 is released

pgr3
splinter cell4 (prolly multi format though)
halo3 (OMG)
gears of war
final fantasy
wow (rumoured)
elder scrolls

360= online multiplayer heaven.

Omnipresence

Waiting to see is the only way... you get to see and choose the PS3 if it really is better and if it comes out and isnt then you can get the 360 prob at cheaper price or at least have the option of buying what 'pack' you want unlike now when its carnage out there to get your hand one one...

Personally I'm holding out... i have money to buy one of these not two so want to wait till i can compare.... (esp now have to buy a HD cap TV to support these things) and 1080i for the PS3 ... !!!

-A

GrumPy

aloleary wrote:

Waiting to see is the only way... you get to see and choose the PS3 if it really is better and if it comes out and isnt then you can get the 360 prob at cheaper price or at least have the option of buying what 'pack' you want unlike now when its carnage out there to get your hand one one...

Personally I'm holding out... i have money to buy one of these not two so want to wait till i can compare.... (esp now have to buy a HD cap TV to support these things) and 1080i for the PS3 ... !!!

-A

360 supports 1080i also, what the ps3 has over the 360, is support for 1080p (progressive) which is another step up.

Stompbox

The PS3 can support up to 7 wireless controllers. Now thats something else.

flogen

Sweet wrote:

The PS3 can support up to 7 wireless controllers. Now thats something else.

Yeah, what an odd number, of course it would only be useful when used on numerous TV's, but I'm sure Sony have realised that..

As for their launch line up, don't believe it until you see it on the shelves come launch day. It would be a cracking launch if true, but these kind of games tend to slip.

Ciaran500

Sweet wrote:

Muffin Man,check out IGN for '10 Reasons Why You Should Wait For The PS3'. Its unreal.The launch titles include:

Devil May Cry 4
Metal Gear Solid:Guns Of The Patriot
Killzone 2
Gran Turismo Vision

From the article "This is because PS3 has the Metal Gear potential, Warhawk, Tekken, I-8, Gran Turismo, Killzone, and a dozen other high profile games that may hit day one". They have no idea, pure speculation.:rolleyes:

Stompbox

flogen wrote:

Yeah, what an odd number, of course it would only be useful when used on numerous TV's, but I'm sure Sony have realised that..

Well,its main function would probably be for sports games which don't require split-screen.

jesus_thats_gre

Sweet wrote:

Devil May Cry 4
Metal Gear Solid:Guns Of The Patriot
Killzone 2
Gran Turismo Vision

Well Devil May Cry is merely a sequel, good game but hardly worth wetting yourself over!!

Metal Gear Solid - am still convinced the "in game" sequence shown is a lie. The graphics will be impressive but... please...

Killzone 2 - the first one was meh

Gran Turismo Vision - How many times were the previous ones delayed? We still have not seen GT4 on the PSP ffs.. Won't be ready for launch this year - might be here in a years time when the PS3 is launched.



GTA is the only exclusive title that the PS3 will have that the Xbox won't have that I want.. Mind you, I said the same about San Andreas and bought a PS2 to play it.. Didn't play it much in the end..

Feidhlim

Sweet wrote:

Muffin Man,check out IGN for '10 Reasons Why You Should Wait For The PS3'. Its unreal.The launch titles include:

Devil May Cry 4
Metal Gear Solid:Guns Of The Patriot
Killzone 2
Gran Turismo Vision

If thats not the best launch title line-up in history I dont know what is.I'm getting the XBOX 360 and the PS3 but am looking forward to the PS3 a hell of a lot more.

wtf?
all those games are the same stuff over and over. just better graphics, slightly different theme. pro evo 17 and all will be out. yipee.

now dont get me wrong, im not saying xbox is better... but who came up with this thread?
how can you compare 1 console which is released for just under 2 weeks, and another which isnt released for months???

its crazy. if youre doing a comparison of anything it should be ps2 v xbox. hell include gamecube if ya want.

we have seen the potential of each of those machines and the games they have out....

flogen

Sweet wrote:

Well,its main function would probably be for sports games which don't require split-screen.

True, it's still wierd to go with 7, it's as if they aimed for 8 and didn't quite get there.
I think 4 is still the right amount for single console gaming, but then again a game of pro evo could be good craic with 3 a side rather than 2. Will have to wait and see, I guess.
Just out of interest, has MS hinted at all about possible extra controller support for the 360, as in 4 wireless and 3 usb powered wired? I'm sure it's possible if not practicle.

Stompbox

Feidhlim wrote:

wtf?
all those games are the same stuff over and over. just better graphics, slightly different theme. pro evo 17 and all will be out. yipee.

And what do you call the games that are out for 360 now? PGR3,PDZ,COD2,NFS:MW,Ghost Recon. Nearly all the 360 launch titles are sequels,you should have thought about that. And GTA cant really be called a sequel,its a new game in itself.Remember when GTA 3 came out? We thought it couldn't get any better, but it did...by miles.

flogen

Sweet wrote:

And what do you call the games that are out for 360 now? PGR3,PDZ,COD2,NFS:MW,Ghost Recon. Nearly all the 360 launch titles are sequels,you should have thought about that. And GTA cant really be called a sequel,its a new game in itself.Remember when GTA 3 came out? We thought it couldn't get any better, but it did...by miles.

Do you mean it got better (as in GTA 3 was better than 2) or we thought GTA 3 couldn't be topped? Either way I have to disagree, while the original GTA's were enjoyable I remember talking to loads of people and the agreement was that a 3d version would kick ass. As for GTA VC/SA being miles better than 3, not really. It got bigger, yes and it was nice to have the extra options but SA proved that so much choice and such a huge map doesn't make for a better game.
I don't see why GTA4 will be anything but a sequal fitting standard sequal constraints, better graphics, bigger playing field and more options but same basic idea. Even if it wen't online it wouldn't be a totally different game, anyone who's played MTA will second that.

Anyway, back on point. Sequals shouldn't be knocked just because they are sequals (unless they're made by EA), PDZ hasn't gotten bad press because it's a sequal, infact it only had a huge fanbase behind it from day 1 purely because of its past.
Both launches have been/will be full of sequals because they're safer than totally new franchises, it doesn't mean they're bad games.

Feidhlim

sweet - my next line after that, "im not saying xbox is much better"

:P

Stompbox

flogen wrote:

Do you mean it got better (as in GTA 3 was better than 2) or we thought GTA 3 couldn't be topped?

Sorry, I meant that GTA VC was better again.I also agree with what you said about SA. Not my favourite of the franchise but I heard GTA 6 will be online ility to make your own gang(along with their threads) will be present.

projectmayhem

flogen wrote:

Yeah, what an odd number, of course it would only be useful when used on numerous TV's, but I'm sure Sony have realised that..

As for their launch line up, don't believe it until you see it on the shelves come launch day. It would be a cracking launch if true, but these kind of games tend to slip.

the 7 is just the amount of stuff sony could fit in there at a good cost. it's not just controllers, it's remote controls, eyetoys and so on and so forth. as for the numerous tv's... this is why the ps3 will support 2 hd-tv's at one time

you're right, launch titles do tend to slip. but this is why these titles have been in development for an awful long time. i know killzone2 went into development as soon as killzone1 was shipped out... i'm sure all the other devs did the same. they started developing to spec (no devkits), then a few months later (this summer i believe) they got alpha kits, then in sept/oct time they got beta kits and are hammering away as we speak.... so by the time ps3 comes along, there'll be very solid games out, rather then PC ports and games that would run just as well on current gen consoles

Ciaran500

You sure you're not getting a cheque from Sony every week? Every post gets more and more pro Sony.

Laguna

Ciaran500 wrote:

You sure you're not getting a cheque from Sony every week? Every post gets more and more pro Sony.

I've been thinking the same. I'm not a fanboy of Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo, I see the bad points and good points of any console irrespective of its manufacturer...

Stoichkov

@Laguna

"I'm not a fanboy of Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo, I see the bad points and good points of any console irrespective of its manufacturer..."

Ha, is all I can say. I've seen you post many times saying how much you hate Sony and will never ever buy any of their products ever again. You're quite good at contradicting yourself.

Back OT, its hard to compare as the 360 is a final product, it actually exists while the ps3's final specs are still unknown.

If this gen is going to be the supposed 'online gen' (which it won't be, again) then the 360 will be a far better choice as Live is the best thing MS created.

I'm going to wait and compare the 2, leaning towards ps3 as it'll probably have a greater choice of games, that concerns me more than graphics. The benefit of waiting is that even if the ps3 is rubbish by then the 360 will have had a price drop and may have a decent selection of games.

Laguna

Stoichkov wrote:

@Laguna

"I'm not a fanboy of Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo, I see the bad points and good points of any console irrespective of its manufacturer..."

Ha, is all I can say. I've seen you post many times saying how much you hate Sony and will never ever buy any of their products ever again. You're quite good at contradicting yourself.

Yeah, I'm anti Sony after the continual bad experiences I had with them, does that automatically qualify me to be a MS fanboy?.

Ha, is all I can say. You've seen my posts regarding the shoddy PSP's I was sold and formed an assumption about me that wasn't worth the finger energy you spent typing it in.

Stoichkov

You're quite defensive aren't you.

Did I call you a fanboy at all? No.

I meerly pointed out that here you said you would judge a console on its merits rather that its manufacturer (which is what everyone should do) while on another thread you say you would never buy anything Sony again.

Do you not see any conflict between your 2 statements?

If you don't I will gladly waste more finger energy explaining it to you.

flogen

projectmayhem wrote:

the 7 is just the amount of stuff sony could fit in there at a good cost. it's not just controllers, it's remote controls, eyetoys and so on and so forth. as for the numerous tv's... this is why the ps3 will support 2 hd-tv's at one time

you're right, launch titles do tend to slip. but this is why these titles have been in development for an awful long time. i know killzone2 went into development as soon as killzone1 was shipped out... i'm sure all the other devs did the same. they started developing to spec (no devkits), then a few months later (this summer i believe) they got alpha kits, then in sept/oct time they got beta kits and are hammering away as we speak.... so by the time ps3 comes along, there'll be very solid games out, rather then PC ports and games that would run just as well on current gen consoles

You seem to know the current dev process of those games better than I do, but it doesn't comfort me in the slightest. Developers make release dates based on the amount of work they have to do on their games, and generally work up until the last minute tweaking their babies before they send it off.
There are always unforseen problems, changes in format or design and of course hardware changes (from kit to kit). So while Sony has no release date for the ps3 anywhere, I'd imagine the developers have a better idea than you or I and are aiming to finish by then. Do you think that they won't encounter problems? Perhaps they'll have the games finished months before the console, then they can all just sit back and relax. Right?

Laguna

Stoichkov wrote:

I meerly pointed out that here you said you would judge a console on its merits rather that its manufacturer (which is what everyone should do) while on another thread you say you would never buy anything Sony again.

Do you not see any conflict between your 2 statements?

How much of a glutton for punishment would I be if I were to go out and buy ANOTHER Sony console, after two faulty PSP's and a PS2 that lasted a year and a half?.

I have been buying consoles since the late eighties, Sony consoles have been by far the worst in terms of longevity and craftsmanship, they're not built to last. I've an eighteen year old NES I could plug in and play right now, a thirteen year old SNES, yet I have a PS2 I bought for Christmas 2002 that reads discs on occasion, resets habitually and sometimes doesn't load the start screen at all, what should I derive from this?.

I've always kept all my electronic equipment in immaculate condition, so I (and anyone thinking rationally) can come to no other conclusion that Sony make inferior goods.

Stoichkov

Fair enough, you've had bad experiences with Sony, I can see why you would be wary of them, but I would hardly call their consoles inferior products.

I had two ps1s, one of which still lives and my ps2 bought a little after launch has survived a fall and pro evo induced rage and is still going strong. I had one dead pixel but no other problems with my psp. You just seem to be quite unlucky. Also comparing it to cartridge based formats is a bit unfair.

If the ps3 turns out to be fantastic will you still refuse to buy Sony? (If you do, with your luck, I'd say avoid the first lot as I'd bet there will be quite a few teething errors with blu-ray)

My bone of contention still remains, don't say you'll judge consoles on their merits when you clearly hate a certain manufacturer and think of their products as inferior.

Stompbox

Fight,Fight,Fight.

GrumPy

Stoichkov wrote:

leaning towards ps3 as it'll probably have a greater choice of games

what games do you like? i cant possibly see how sony will have better games, more in terms if you look at ps2 vs xbox yes, but quality over quantity mate. i cant think of any game that would pull me away from a 360 (i love online multiplayers) only game mentioned in relation to the ps3 which tickles my fancy is metal gear. Again to your comment, does the fact the ps2 has more games that either the cube, or xbox make it better? certainly not imho.