Abortion

Stabshauptmann · 03-12-2005 2:00am #1

Dont want to hijack someone elses thread, but in the for-against thread a lot of ppl said whether or not they could agree with an abourtion depended on the circumstances of a pregnancy, in particular rape.

Why?

How is it different?

If you are against abortions because you believe it to be murder then I cant see why on earth how a person became pregnant or any other circumstances (other than pregnancy posing a medical risk to the mother) would change you opinion of abortion being murder.

2 wrongs and all that

My own personal opinion is:

*That the embryo=mass of unspecialised cells. No organs, no independant life, not a person IMO. So I definitly have no problem with an early abortion or morning after pill.

*I dont belive in god's temple or any religious reasoning about abortion.

*I actually belive it to be a more humane action to have an abortion rather than have and raise a child you are unable to. But this is an opinion I will agree to disagree one

Oriel · 03-12-2005 2:03am

:rolleyes:

Somebody make me a mod please...

Simi · 03-12-2005 2:08am

Quiet you...

Gazza22 · 03-12-2005 2:17am

Well it's a very complicated subject but i suppose if a woman is raped and accordingly becomes pregnant, she will not identify with the child and there will be no love there.....thus blinding them, a woman in that position is not going to be thinking of what they possibly are doing is murder

Kaptain Redeye wrote:

My own personal opinion is:

*That the embryo=mass of unspecialised cells. No organs, no independant life, not a person IMO. So I definitly have no problem with an early abortion or morning after pill.

*I dont belive in god's temple or any religious reasoning about abortion.

*I actually belive it to be a more humane action to have an abortion rather than have and raise a child you are unable to. But this is an opinion I will agree to disagree one

I'd agree with these....

sinecurea wrote:

:rolleyes:

Somebody make me a mod please...

What so you might actually have the ability then to add something constructive!?

Stabshauptmann · 03-12-2005 2:32am

Now this might seem horrible, but if its a one night drunken stand, I cant see that as being the basis of a loving relationship.

If the parents were involved but its still an accident and they're not ready and it involves drastic lifestyle changes and eventually resentment, I cant see a solid loving relationship.

If the parents were too immature etc...

Rape isnt the only circumstance where the parent(s) may not love each other / the child.

If the logic is a person who doesnt want a child should be allowed an abortion then I belive the above count too.
But a lot of the time I think people who say, well rape is different, are just trying to punish people they deem to be stupid/irresponsible and whos "own fault" it is for being pregnant. Are you sure these are the type of people you want to be parents?

StupidLikeAFox · 03-12-2005 2:40am

I am pro choice but anti abortion

That, to most people might not make sense, but i believe that people have the choic to make the decision. I believe abortion is the wrong choice. The decision may be good or bad, but i do believe in the freedom of choice.

Tar.Aldarion · 03-12-2005 2:47am

ColHol wrote:

I am pro choice but anti abortion

That, to most people might not make sense, but i believe that people have the choic to make the decision. I believe abortion is the wrong choice. The decision may be good or bad, but i do believe in the freedom of choice.

hmmm, I would tend to agree with this person...against it here.
but then again as you regard it as murder, would you not give people the right to choose to kill?

StupidLikeAFox · 03-12-2005 2:50am

I think a person should have the right to choose. I may not agree with their decision, but at least they should have that right.

Ya know?

03-12-2005 2:55am

how about anti choice pro abortion?

Tar.Aldarion · 03-12-2005 3:01am

ColHol wrote:

I think a person should have the right to choose. I may not agree with their decision, but at least they should have that right.

Ya know?

Ah I completely understand. I don't think people have the right to end a life, it's my opinion though.
I'm not gonna force my opinions down peoples throats by forcing them to do it(if i was in power or something).
Then again, all people in power do is that...
I try these days to just go with the flow, speaking out for what I believe, mainly human and animal rights. Bit of debate instead of the alternative.
What most people do is abhorrant to me but well, I'll try to change things for what I think is right through more diplomatic means than any leader of a country or anything.
Wow i just keep jabbering on when tired....

StupidLikeAFox · 03-12-2005 3:02am

as in people should abort without having a choice in the matter?

Tar.Aldarion · 03-12-2005 3:18am

I believe he was taking the piss, it's Ah ^^

StupidLikeAFox · 03-12-2005 3:20am

Ah still.....

3greenrizla's · 03-12-2005 3:46am

as it stands i am against abortion, as said above, 2 wrongs & all the rest, also i dont it adds anyting to society.

but i have a question for the people who support the freedom of choice, that is, who's choice?

the general argument is a woman has the right to do with her body as she wishes, fair enough i suppose, but should a woman have the right to terminate a pregnancy against the fathers wishes?

(& obviously i'm not talking about rape or anything like that)

Tar.Aldarion · 03-12-2005 3:51am

IMO no, it is an equal relationship and their child not just hers, just like back in good old greece mens permission should have to be given in an equal relationship...

SexeeAussie · 03-12-2005 4:14am

I believe in a woman's right to choose what happens to HER body. Whether it is rape or just an 'accident' is irrelevent.

Terminating a pregnancy is by FAR more humane than bringing up a child in an environment that may be detrimental to them.

Really what it comes down to is the right to do what a woman deems is the right thing for her.

I live in a town that has a clinic where terminations are performed. What makes me sick is the 'good-doers' that 'protest' (albeit peacefully) outside the facility on a weekly basis. Each to their own I say....if you believe in a cause enough, by all means put your heart into it......but I have a question. They have signs and banners that say things like "There is another answer, let us support you to HAVE your child"

I mean seriously, are these people prepared to help t his mother/family etc put a child through a full education/pay their medical bills/put nappies on them/feed them/house them/clothe them etc.......

Having children is a lifelong responsibilty. Some people are not able or prepared to provide a proper life for them, so why the hell force them to have these children because 'morally' it's the right thing to do.

Anyway, my two cents worth......(and it's prob worth more there than here!

)

3greenrizla's · 03-12-2005 4:14am

but what if it's not an equal relationship, just a 1 nite stand as mentioned above?

Laguna · 03-12-2005 4:18am

Aww, I love babies, I hate the thought of abortion..

BUT

I'm pro choice. At the end of the day, yes, a woman is free to do with her body as she sees fit, but what if the man wants to keep the child?, does he get no say?. I suppose not in this attempt at society we 'Free people of the western world ' live in, a society which we phrase democracy, where rights involving men and their (born and unborn) children are few and far between.

StupidLikeAFox · 03-12-2005 4:24am

Theres always the option of putting the kid up for adoption

If you think you wouldnt be fit for raising the child, there would be plenty of people who cant have kids who would jump at the opportunity to raise a kid. Just because a woman gives birth to a child doesnt mean she has to raise it....

03-12-2005 4:26am

we should invite ultrasound to this conversation!they would have some balanced opinions!

Laguna · 03-12-2005 4:29am

ColHol wrote:

Theres always the option of putting the kid up for adoption

If you think you wouldnt be fit for raising the child, there would be plenty of people who cant have kids who would jump at the opportunity to raise a kid. Just because a woman gives birth to a child doesnt mean she has to raise it....

That may be the perfect solution in an ideal world but the fact is, some children who go on to be adopted reach a certain age and wonder why their original parents didn't *want* them. I've had several friends in the past who were adoptees and talking to some of them (the ones who didn't know their real parents and knew they were adopted), they had anguish in regards to not knowing their real parents, who they were (in a lineage/genetical sense) and the reason why their biological parents didn't keep them.

Adoption isn't always the perfect answer.

Tar.Aldarion · 03-12-2005 4:30am

SexeeAussie wrote:

Terminating a pregnancy is by FAR more humane than bringing up a child in an environment that may be detrimental to them.

Adoption,
and you are incorrect anyway, I think I would prefer a crap life than no life eh.

ronbyrne2005 · 03-12-2005 4:33am

i'm pro choice but anti abortion.im not anti abortion for any religous reasons as im agnostic but i am a humanist and beleive we as humans should'nt take life unless in extreme circumstances where the life of the mother is at stake.who are we to decide that a life shouldnt exist?life is a miracle and you or i cant explain its meaning or ramifications, theres always adoption once the baby is born. social abortions make me really mad ie;one night stands and abortions as a child would affect career or lifestyle,creating life is the most important thing a person can do in their life and to have such a fickle selfish attitude to it is appaling. if your sexual active and dont want kids use all forms of protection,if the protection fails accept that this life inside deserves to live and give it up for adoption if you dont want it once its born.
if its pregnancy by rape, dont blame the child for sins of the father the child is still half yours -give up for adoption. i would agree with abortions at very short durations of pregnancy say a few weeks but allowing abortions up to 26 weeks as in uk is immoral in my view. a lot of women who have abortions regret it,this should be a lesson to any one considering it and at the end of the day you have nothing to lose by giving birth and giving the child up for adoption.
basically abortion =selfishness unless life is at risk, but its womans descision

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1892696,00.html

StupidLikeAFox · 03-12-2005 4:36am

Laguna wrote:

Adoption isn't always the perfect answer.

Im well aware, but i know adoptees who have quite good lifestyles. I think it would be better off giving the kid a go at life rather than terminating it before it even has a chance.....

3greenrizla's · 03-12-2005 4:38am

SexeeAussie wrote:

I believe in a woman's right to choose what happens to HER body. Whether it is rape or just an 'accident' is irrelevent.

so you think it is ok to terminate another persons child without saying anything to them?

in that case should a father have to pay child support if he wanted the pregnancy terminated?

SexeeAussie wrote:

Terminating a pregnancy is by FAR more humane than bringing up a child in an environment that may be detrimental to them.

every child born MAY be brought up in an environment detrimental to them.
& even if you cant provide the best for a child there are plenty of childless couples out there, who would love & care for that child

SexeeAussie wrote:

Really what it comes down to is the right to do what a woman deems is the right thing for her.

sounds just a little selfish (no offence meant), men might not show them often but they have feelings too. also see above answer

SexeeAussie wrote:

I live in a town that has a clinic where terminations are performed. What makes me sick is the 'good-doers' that 'protest' (albeit peacefully) outside the facility on a weekly basis. Each to their own I say....if you believe in a cause enough, by all means put your heart into it......

if you say each to there own, why do you give out if people protest peacefully?

SexeeAussie wrote:

but I have a question. They have signs and banners that say things like "There is another answer, let us support you to HAVE your child"
I mean seriously, are these people prepared to help t his mother/family etc put a child through a full education/pay their medical bills/put nappies on them/feed them/house them/clothe them etc.......

i don't know about oz, but social welfare (esp for single mums) is pretty good in this country at the moment - free housing, childcare, and so on (thats another debate)

SexeeAussie wrote:

Having children is a lifelong responsibilty. Some people are not able or prepared to provide a proper life for them, so why the hell force them to have these children because 'morally' it's the right thing to do.

again adoption is an idea. & if we lose our morals ..... what have we got.

SexeeAussie wrote:

Anyway, my two cents worth......(and it's prob worth more there than here! )

thanks

3greenrizla's · 03-12-2005 4:43am

ColHol wrote:

Im well aware, but i know adoptees who have quite good lifestyles. I think it would be better off giving the kid a go at life rather than terminating it before it even has a chance.....

as do i

&

i'm sure plenty of us have said to our "real" parents "i wish i was adopted"

jonny68 · 03-12-2005 4:46am

Dunno how many times ive answered this but anyway here goes again..IMO Abortion should only be allowed in circumstances where it's rape or child abuse,anything else i disagree big time,it's murder.

SexeeAussie · 03-12-2005 5:39am

3greenrizla's wrote:

so you think it is ok to terminate another persons child without saying anything to them?

in that case should a father have to pay child support if he wanted the pregnancy terminated?

every child born MAY be brought up in an environment detrimental to them.
& even if you cant provide the best for a child there are plenty of childless couples out there, who would love & care for that child

sounds just a little selfish (no offence meant), men might not show them often but they have feelings too. also see above answer

if you say each to there own, why do you give out if people protest peacefully?

i don't know about oz, but social welfare (esp for single mums) is pretty good in this country at the moment - free housing, childcare, and so on (thats another debate)

again adoption is an idea. & if we lose our morals ..... what have we got.

thanks

ok, clear question here for all that have been in the situation of an 'unwanted' pregnancy........

is it a religious, moral, ethical reason that you choose to keep/terminate

Don't bloody judge people for terminating or deciding to go the hard yards.....

Men may see things differently and I cannot speak from that perspective....

Men may NOT see things at all..........yeh, lets say I can vouch for that.

Don't judge people is what I am saying. If their option is legal, then f***in leave them alone. Do you turn a blind eye when someone shoots up on drugs or has hash????

Do you CARE for that person?

Hmmmmm

SexeeAussie · 03-12-2005 5:42am

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

Adoption,
and you are incorrect anyway, I think I would prefer a crap life than no life eh.

I actually wasn't meaning adoption

I was talking about bringing up a child in poverty, in an environment that was totally shot to pieces.......I am talking drugs, crime, welfare etc....

Adoption is different, but ask a woman in the last ten years that has had a baby adopted out whether they think 'they' did the right thing.....

may be an interesting repsonse

Manic Moran · 03-12-2005 6:06am

Deleted User wrote:

how about anti choice pro abortion?

Hmm.. I see any society which adheres to that policy as suffering an example in practise of Darwinian Evolution.

NTM

DementiaMan · 03-12-2005 7:05am

I is well for abortion - I has been responsible for at least 5

SexeeAussie · 03-12-2005 7:14am

DementiaMan wrote:

I is well for abortion - I has been responsible for at least 5

That sort of f***ed up attitude gives those that make informed decisions look like heartless pricks

DementiaMan · 03-12-2005 7:18am

SexeeAussie wrote:

That sort of f***ed up attitude gives those that make informed decisions look like heartless pricks

It's not my fault if I get a hoe preggers..

SexeeAussie · 03-12-2005 7:26am

Any Mods around to ban this prick?

xzanti · 03-12-2005 8:49am

SexeeAussie wrote:

Any Mods around to ban this prick?

No leave him, let him make a complete a*se of himself... This is probably the only place he's allowed to be himself without getting his head kicked in

Asok · 03-12-2005 9:00am

Dementiaman site banned for being a dual account of ^CwAzY^ who has earned a fab 10 day siteban!

xzanti · 03-12-2005 9:29am

Asok wrote:

Dementiaman site banned for being a dual account of ^CwAzY^ who has earned a fab 10 day siteban!

Some ppl :rolleyes:

Setun · 03-12-2005 9:39am

I'm grudgingly pro-choice, people should be able to make their decision but I'd hope that they choose against abortion. They could put their child up for adoption which imo is a much fairer solution - the child gets to live their life with a suitable family and the biological mother doesn't have to raise a child she doesn't want. It seems that a lot of women are mentally unfit to make this decision, heck most people would be as it is essentially killing a "person". Adoption all the way imo.

horseflesh · 03-12-2005 10:03am

I have to say, I'm totally with SexeeAussie on this one. It's the woman's choice, end of story.

Why is it always men who seem to buck up and proclaim themselves to be "pro-life"??
No man will ever have to go through the hurt of an unwanted pregnancy the way a woman would, so stop pontificating.

The adoption arguement is also a nonsense. Do you really think it would be easier for a woman to go through the full term of an unwanted pregnancy, give birth to a child, hold her child and then give it away, rather than have an early-term termination???

I don't know if it's really relevant, but for what it's worth I'm a man with 3 kids of my own.

Setun · 03-12-2005 10:12am

I'm only saying that I don't agree with abortion, I've looked at the options and decided that I don't think it's right. It's not about making my decision becuase I'm distanced from the issue, I don't think I'd change my mind if it was something much closer 'to home'.

Shinners21 · 03-12-2005 10:33am

SexeeAussie wrote:

I believe in a woman's right to choose what happens to HER body. Whether it is rape or just an 'accident' is irrelevent.

Terminating a pregnancy is by FAR more humane than bringing up a child in an environment that may be detrimental to them.

....

Having children is a lifelong responsibilty. Some people are not able or prepared to provide a proper life for them, so why the hell force them to have these children because 'morally' it's the right thing to do.

Anyway, my two cents worth......(and it's prob worth more there than here! )

:eek: OMG are you for real?? More humane?? I can't see your reasoning at all, I'm shocked that you think aborting is in any way humane!! If the fetus is healthy how can it be an issue of what is humane?? I don't agree with abortion in any circumstance, but in saying that I can understand why some people may consider it if they have been raped or if they are told the child will not live...Personally there is nothing that would make me even think of it. I agree with the fact that it is every individuals choice but I cannot understand why people take it as an easy way out... the long term effects of having an abortion are awfull. As previously said, adoption is always a possibility and should not be ruled out. I'm sure there will be plenty of you that will disagree with me but I do feel very strongly on the subject. Sorry if this post is a bit mixed up, get a bit carried away when Im talking about this...

CathyMoran · 03-12-2005 11:17am

I do not get how it is the womans right, surely it is the right of the child. I am not against abortion if the life of the mother is at risk (and I do not mean mental illness). However I would be pro adoption, with all its faults at least it is an option and is not considered enough nowadays. I do however have sympathy for those who have gone through abortions. I do not consider the morning after pill or contraceptives abortifactants.

Dave! · 03-12-2005 12:06pm

There's probably a thread already on this in Humanities...

I'm pro-choice, though. It's not a human yet.

king_of_inismac · 03-12-2005 12:27pm

A lot of good points raised in this thread so far. I don't think anyone should try to impose their view on anyone else, but each should have the right to have their opinion heard.

Here's the way I view the situation:

I'm pro-choice, though. It's not a human yet.

I have an issue with this point. Are we saying that because the foetus hasn't finished a certain rapid stage of development, it's not human? I tend to akin this situation to pre-pubesent children; just because they haven't gone through puberty, and are not adults, doesn't mean they're not human.

Some may argue that abortion is fine as long as the foetus hasn't developed to a certain stage. Let's say they set a time of 2 months after conception that a parent can choose to abort the foetus. So if a woman comes into the abortion clinic 59 days after conception we allow the procedure to continue. However if her friend who also concieved the same day calls into the clinic two days later, we recognise the rights of her child and insist she can't have an abortion?

What massive development of the foetus has occured in those two days?
This is the problem....

A foetus in the womb is just a bunch of independant cells, in EXACTLY the same way we are. The only difference is it is weaker, more vunerable, and without a voice. We judge a society by how it treats it's weakest and most vunerable.

However, we too must recognise the rights of the woman. It is her body afterall.

The Foetus should be awarded not greater, but equal rights and consideration as the mother.

Stabshauptmann · 03-12-2005 1:48pm

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

i'm pro choice but anti abortion.im not anti abortion for any religous reasons as im agnostic but i am a humanist and beleive we as humans should'nt take life unless in extreme circumstances where the life of the mother is at stake.who are we to decide that a life shouldnt exist?life is a miracle and you or i cant explain its meaning or ramifications, theres always adoption once the baby is born. social abortions make me really mad ie;one night stands and abortions as a child would affect career or lifestyle,creating life is the most important thing a person can do in their life and to have such a fickle selfish attitude to it is appaling. if your sexual active and dont want kids use all forms of protection,if the protection fails accept that this life inside deserves to live and give it up for adoption if you dont want it once its born.
if its pregnancy by rape, dont blame the child for sins of the father the child is still half yours -give up for adoption. i would agree with abortions at very short durations of pregnancy say a few weeks but allowing abortions up to 26 weeks as in uk is immoral in my view. a lot of women who have abortions regret it,this should be a lesson to any one considering it and at the end of the day you have nothing to lose by giving birth and giving the child up for adoption.
basically abortion =selfishness unless life is at risk, but its womans descision

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1892696,00.html

Two points. When you talk about taking a life, would you have a problem with the morning after pill or early abortion ie before the cells begin to differentiate.

The "social abortions" you mention, people who dont have a child because its inconvienient. These people dont want a child. And I definitly disagree with Tar, a crap life is not better than no life. To take this point to the absolute extreme, would you rather live in unending pain for the last few years of your life or pass on a little earlier. Guess Im in favour of mercy killings too...

I dont think social abortions are just selfish on the part of the parent but are a more responsible attitude that you give people credit for. If you are unable to have a child, or feel you could not love the child then for the childs sake dont have it

RainyDay · 03-12-2005 1:50pm

SexeeAussie wrote:

Terminating a pregnancy is by FAR more humane than bringing up a child in an environment that may be detrimental to them.

So if it makes sense to terminate a pregnancy in these circumstances, it must be OK too to terminate the life of a toddler who is living in such circumstances? Can we just bring these toddlers to the vet and put them 'to sleep'? Why would you draw a line around an arbitary event like 24 weeks of pregnancy?

And who is going to be the judge of a 'detrimental environment'? Are you going to decide who should live or die? Or maybe I should decide? Do you reckon there is a reasonable chance that some mothers are taking a purely selfish view about the impact of a baby on their lifestyle, and are you happy to leave it up to the mother to decide all the time?

Stabshauptmann · 03-12-2005 1:55pm

king_of_inismac wrote:

A lot of good points raised in this thread so far. I don't think anyone should try to impose their view on anyone else, but each should have the right to have their opinion heard.

Here's the way I view the situation:

I have an issue with this point. Are we saying that because the foetus hasn't finished a certain rapid stage of development, it's not human? I tend to akin this situation to pre-pubesent children; just because they haven't gone through puberty, and are not adults, doesn't mean they're not human.

Some may argue that abortion is fine as long as the foetus hasn't developed to a certain stage. Let's say they set a time of 2 months after conception that a parent can choose to abort the foetus. So if a woman comes into the abortion clinic 59 days after conception we allow the procedure to continue. However if her friend who also concieved the same day calls into the clinic two days later, we recognise the rights of her child and insist she can't have an abortion?

What massive development of the foetus has occured in those two days?
This is the problem....

A foetus in the womb is just a bunch of independant cells, in EXACTLY the same way we are. The only difference is it is weaker, more vunerable, and without a voice. We judge a society by how it treats it's weakest and most vunerable.

However, we too must recognise the rights of the woman. It is her body afterall.

The Foetus should be awarded not greater, but equal rights and consideration as the mother.

Well I think you definitly need to recognise the differnece between the embryo and foetus.

The embryo is more akin to a cancer than a human. I actually do know how horrible that sounds. As I said, Im not sure where I stand on aborting the foetus but have no problem with the morning after pill or early abortion will still in embryo stage.

While I am in two minds, a foetus cant sustain itself. It has no independant life, so I dont think it far to compare a foetus' developement to that of a child before puberty

Shinners21 · 03-12-2005 2:23pm

RainyDay wrote:

So if it makes sense to terminate a pregnancy in these circumstances, it must be OK too to terminate the life of a toddler who is living in such circumstances? Can we just bring these toddlers to the vet and put them 'to sleep'? Why would you draw a line around an arbitary event like 24 weeks of pregnancy?

A good point that i don't think anyone could disagree with, if a woman goes through with a pregnancy and then decides it was a wrong decision, should she be able to have her child killed because it doesn't suit her to have it or her circumstances are not suitable for a child to be brought up in??!! What is the difference between killing an unborn child and a newborn baby?

Tar.Aldarion · 03-12-2005 3:33pm

Kaptain Redeye wrote:

And I definitly disagree with Tar, a crap life is not better than no life. To take this point to the absolute extreme, would you rather live in unending pain for the last few years of your life or pass on a little earlier. Guess Im in favour of mercy killings too...

I'm talking about giving the child a chance, what gives somebody else the right to say that their life would not be good, that they wouldn't have friends, fall in love etc even if they had a bit of a harsh childhood?
Have a great friend who is adopted and his mother was thinking about aborting him simply because she thought his life would be crap like hers.
She had him and put him up for adoption instead and it sickens me that somebody would have had the right to have my friend not exist if you dig...
I'm all for them taking their own life if they want, how about you give them the decision is what I am saying.

EDIT: shinners, in my opinion, there is none.

ronbyrne2005 · 03-12-2005 5:23pm

horseflesh wrote:

Why is it always men who seem to buck up and proclaim themselves to be "pro-life"??
No man will ever have to go through the hurt of an unwanted pregnancy the way a woman would, so stop pontificating..[/QUOTE]
hurt of an unwanted pregnancy?what crap,what about the hurt the baby feels when its hoovered outta a woman,bet she was thinking bout "the hurt "when she was enjoying unprotected or risky intercourse! a few months carrying a child is nothing compared to ending life(effectively playing god-who are we to play god,who knows when "life" begins)

horseflesh wrote:

The adoption arguement is also a nonsense. Do you really think it would be easier for a woman to go through the full term of an unwanted pregnancy, give birth to a child, hold her child and then give it away, rather than have an early-term termination???

I don't know if it's really relevant, but for what it's worth I'm a man with 3 kids of my own.

it shud be easier to carry a baby for a few months and give it up for adoption and a probable happy life then to take the callous descision to end its life without giving it a chance to live, your attitude is disgusting,the foetus /child has all the rights in my opinion,the woman sacrificed when she willingly spread her legs

jill6 · 03-12-2005 6:40pm

Kaptain Redeye wrote:

'Well I think you definitly need to recognise the differnece between the embryo and foetus.The embryo is more akin to a cancer than a human.'

Think.....
If a cancer cell is given optimum conditions to grow, it will be cancer.If an embro is given its own conditions to grow, it will become a human being. There IS a difference.

Abortion

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