Which is faster??

fonda

Anyone know which car is quicker or a better car??

Nissan Pulsar VZ-R

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=277096

Civic VTEC

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=307082

garthv

Civic.

5500

The civic is faster,ill find a video showing them side by side and there speeds ect but its definitly quick - also take a look at this

http://www.pulsar.org.au/multimedia/VZRvTYPER.avi

Its a vzr n1(the next step up and fastest ever 1.6na produced) and a type R on a track,It beats the standard type R but its a fully tuned race spec version,so they put it against a spoon tuned type R and the type R wins.

elusiveguy

the vzr is slower, the N1 is faster. The spoon civic, while a FANTASTIC car is a 1.8 so doesn't really compare... Saying that neither does the n1 as only 200 were built...

fonda

What about civic 1.5 vtec SOHC, i can get only get insured on the 1.5 civic or on the VZR, was thinkin about gettin the VZR cause everyone has a civic including about 3 of my friends.

What would you all recomend

5500

The Vzr would win hands down,1.5vtec civic is about 130bhp in comparison to 160+ from the vzr.

I cant understand how you can get insured on the vzr unless your just saying its a straight 1.6 almera or pulsar(eg youd be spending thousands for a piece of paper and not be insured in an accident),it should come under the same category as 1.6vtec civic

fonda

eireal wrote:

The Vzr would win hands down,1.5vtec civic is about 130bhp in comparison to 160+ from the vzr.

I cant understand how you can get insured on the vzr unless your just saying its a straight 1.6 almera or pulsar(eg youd be spending thousands for a piece of paper and not be insured in an accident),it should come under the same category as 1.6vtec civic

Got a quote on a Pulsar JN15 which im nearly sure is the VZR but cant get a quote on a 1.6 civic vtec, the quote for the pulsar is also a lot dearer than the 1.5 civic so maybe the insurance company don't recognise the pulsar as a fast car

fonda

Anyone also know how a Levin BZr(1998) compares to the above cars???

elusiveguy

fonda wrote:

Anyone also know how a Levin BZr(1998) compares to the above cars???

Wonderful car to drive but very noticeably slower.Just thinking of the c160 gear change nearly makes me cream my pants. The JN15 is not the VZR

5500

Jn15 is a 1.5pulsar,Levins/tureno arent as quick as civics,from anyone ive know to have one on a rolling road they were dissapointed with there figures.

Another option is Mivic colts/lancers but there all more or less in the same insurance category

Atomic Pineapple

What kind of quotes are you getting fonda?

I'm 22yo male, full licence, 1 year no claims bonus, living in meath

and with britton insurance

106 gti, mivec colt, mivec lancer, civic sir, levin bzr

i got quotes of in and around €2000 for them all provided they had a thatcham approved alarm and immobiliser fitted

fonda

draffodx wrote:

What kind of quotes are you getting fonda?

I'm 22yo male, full licence, 1 year no claims bonus, living in meath

and with britton insurance

106 gti, mivec colt, mivec lancer, civic sir, levin bzr

i got quotes of in and around €2000 for them all provided they had a thatcham approved alarm and immobiliser fitted

I'm 21 year old male, 1 year no claims, live in kildare but only have a provisional, got a quote for 1900 on 1.5 civic vtec with quinn the rest i only tried online so far and they wont quote me so i still have to try ringing them.

Gonna give britton a try, do you need to do a test for them i got a quote off them last year and they said you had to do a days course before they would insure you!!

Atomic Pineapple

They never said anything to me about doing a day course, I'm still insured in my under powered focus with quinn direct.

Dont know much about cars so i have a phobia of going from a 03 car to a 99, 00 more powered car with high mileage

fonda

draffodx wrote:

They never said anything to me about doing a day course, I'm still insured in my under powered focus with quinn direct.

Dont know much about cars so i have a phobia of going from a 03 car to a 99, 00 more powered car with high mileage

I got a quote off them on the website for 2400 last year on a 1.3, when i rang to confirm it they said i had to have a full licence and to do some sort of induction course and if i did'nt my quote would be nearly 4000!!!

So get onto them just to make sure.

Take a chance on the high powered car its worth it if you get a decent car, you will be a lot happier with it than a focus.

fonda

What Brittoninsurance.com quoted me on a Civic.


We thank you for your submission for a Car Insurance Quotation and after reviewing your details manually we are now able to offer you the following quotation : 5216.99 Eur based on this months rates and a voluntary excess on each and every claim, including glass of 4000.00 Eur

Atomic Pineapple

ouch thats very steep!

mines €2000 with no complusary excess and i thought that was a little too much

have you any ncb? what age are you? full licence?

layke

fonda wrote:

What Brittoninsurance.com quoted me on a Civic.


We thank you for your submission for a Car Insurance Quotation and after reviewing your details manually we are now able to offer you the following quotation : 5216.99 Eur based on this months rates and a voluntary excess on each and every claim, including glass of 4000.00 Eur

So basically they are saying FO.

May I ask if it's fully comp? Mine on a 1.4i for my 1st year was 3rd party €3500 (24 prov). After 1 year I got €2700 fully comp (prov @ 24). Pretty much they scrabble to keep you after you've done the 1st year however they quoted me 4k before I rang around and came back with a competitive price. Remember, they will rip you off if they can, unfortunately it's either a 1l car for you or pay the extortionist amount of money for a year on the car you like.

Best,
Pete

davkav

You should look into getting a GT apex Levin/Trueno. There 1.6 20v and can be easily tuned. INsurance wise they'll go down as a 20v corolla. They'd beat the sir or vzr hands down cause there power band is more or less constant and a straight line and there rev limit is seriously high something like 8500rpm. Mate of mine has one and it keeps on pulling right to the limiter on the revs. Comes with a close ratio gear box aswell not sure on the figures though final drive is something like 4.7

fonda

davkav wrote:

You should look into getting a GT apex Levin/Trueno. There 1.6 20v and can be easily tuned. INsurance wise they'll go down as a 20v corolla. They'd beat the sir or vzr hands down cause there power band is more or less constant and a straight line and there rev limit is seriously high something like 8500rpm. Mate of mine has one and it keeps on pulling right to the limiter on the revs. Comes with a close ratio gear box aswell not sure on the figures though final drive is something like 4.7

I'm looking at getting the vzr n1, they are supposed to be the quickest 1.6 there is faster than the type R, they are very rare but i'm looking into one at the moment.

Also my mate just bought a 98 Levin/Tueno so don't really want the same car as him and another friend has an older one its 1.6 supercharged, they're beautiful cars and relly fast but I want something none of the lads has.

davkav

There's so many different models of the trueno its unreal here's my mates. Type R's are hard enough to get insured on though. Another mate of mine has one and he has ity puttin out 205bhp at the wheels!! To be honest the gards hate them he gets pulled alll the time even when driving inside the speed limits. VZR's are nice though and theres not that many around so it'll be a real head turner

TCP/IP

lads these are terrible looking cars and do nothing for the eye, surely there must be something nicer looking out there for equal money

davkav

or you could go really old skool and get an AE86 corolla. There 1.6 20v and REAR! wheel drive, excellent fun to be had

elusiveguy

davkav wrote:

You should look into getting a GT apex Levin/Trueno. There 1.6 20v and can be easily tuned. INsurance wise they'll go down as a 20v corolla. They'd beat the sir or vzr hands down cause there power band is more or less constant and a straight line and there rev limit is seriously high something like 8500rpm. Mate of mine has one and it keeps on pulling right to the limiter on the revs. Comes with a close ratio gear box aswell not sure on the figures though final drive is something like 4.7

Not even sure which gt apex you're on about but it ain't gonna happen....

davkav

the one in the pic two of my posts ago

5500

TCP/IP wrote:

lads these are terrible looking cars and do nothing for the eye, surely there must be something nicer looking out there for equal money

People dont necessarily buy these cars for who they look,its more so to do with them being stupidly quick for what they are(the vzr n1 being the best example)

fonda

eireal wrote:

People dont necessarily buy these cars for who they look,its more so to do with them being stupidly quick for what they are(the vzr n1 being the best example)

I've heard there are only 300 or 400 vzr n1's ever made, is this true, i'm going to look at one on Saturday so hopefully it's genuine.

elusiveguy

fonda wrote:

I've heard there are only 300 or 400 vzr n1's ever made, is this true, i'm going to look at one on Saturday so hopefully it's genuine.

200 were built

Delta_ie

davkav: theres no way in hell a levin/trueno 20v is faster then a vzr/sir and the ae86 comes with a 1.6 16v not the 20v

If you want fast 1.6 go for the sir/type-r or vzr/n1, sir will be faster than the vzr and the n1 will be faster than the type-r. Just depends what u want...

seatleon2000

I agree .. both horrible!

5500

Ive only ever heard of 4 vzrn1's here,one of which was crashed and the engine transplanted into another pulsar(its red just incase that happens to be the one your looking at - think the guys from the west)

fonda

eireal wrote:

Ive only ever heard of 4 vzrn1's here,one of which was crashed and the engine transplanted into another pulsar(its red just incase that happens to be the one your looking at - think the guys from the west)

No it's a white 97 in Carlow

toffeapple

Vz-r is faster, 175 bhp verus 167 in the civic.
It also has 2 stage cam changes which means power comes in earlier and is more useable. it also has adjustable dampers on the strut braces and is all around much better handling than an SIR civic..it doesnt match up to a TYPE-r but that is a much more expensive car...the n-1 version of the pulsar has 200bhp very rare
I know this because i have owned both cars i just bought a pulsar and it is a better drive than the civic but it remains to be seen if it has the build quality of the honda.
I also had a 20v corrolla for a few weeks on loan...nice yoke 160 bhp very usuable power right through the revs cant get um past 96 but most are 94's
I have seen that pulsar in kilbarrack says it has 30k on the clock but looks and feels like it has done more..that a side it has a class induction kit on it and sounds wicked when pushed its a good bit faster than the one i bought (probably pushing 185bhp) but i would try and buy a standard one especially A jap car..hard to know if the mods are done properly

RealCar

Which is faster? Its a f*****g Honda civic! what do you mean!

This just shows the attitudes of people who buy this and prob go racin around tryin to prove how "fast" their car is

Why not get a REAL sports car ie at least a 2l engine or maybe is it coz insurance is too much and you cant afford it losers

xha1r

i bet you're a 15 year old kid, with no car, and you're just dreaming of having a proper one some day. with the level of maturity you're showing on here, i doubt you're older than the above age.

drdre

guys get a life and get a proper car to race in:D unlike starlet gts and civics and swayyyyy pulsars

Delta_ie

RealCar: why bother replying when you don't even know what your talking about.
Both the civic/pulsar would out perform your "REAL" sports car in every way, whether that be handling, acceleration, engine power, etc...

Or as said by xha1r are you just some 15 yearold looking for attention...

drdre

delta.ie, no it wonot out any sports car.try a race with a 05 gti,200 bhp standard and get it chipped to min 240bhp.i do know what i am talking about.this is a thread and i can post my opinion so u donot reply if u donot want to:p

Delta_ie

Sorry drdre my post wasn't directed at you. RealCar had wrote in another thread about his REAL sports car, a 2 litre alfa...

There is no arguing that a gti would out perform a civic/pulsar, you have the advantage of 0.4 more of a litre and a turbocharger...

And hay get the name right, its Delta_ie ........:D

5500

drdre wrote:

delta.ie, no it wonot out any sports car.try a race with a 05 gti,200 bhp standard and get it chipped to min 240bhp.i do know what i am talking about.this is a thread and i can post my opinion so u donot reply if u donot want to:p

As Delta.ie said,you have the advantage of 400cc extra and forced induction,compared to a 1.6 n/a engine which can push 185 bhp as standard.

Real car is obviously 12 or a troll,Ive always found people who are quick to slate civics or call them skanger cars ect have never actually driven one - granted there not the quickest cars available but for what they are (1.6 na) there impressive enough

drdre

yeah eireal i have driven them many times, type r and also integra.i was only trying to get my point across.im not arguing.

toffeapple

Listen "realcar" no one was claiming that a civic or pulsar was fast the debate was which was faster or where you to retarded to read the original post...talking about affording insurance I used to drive a 300zx twin turbo you little sh1t...its the petrol i couldnt afford! ...i had to feed your ma's crack habit

RealCar

I made my point and I stick by it

DrDre agreed with me so I am not the only one

And to the guys who said I am 12 and that "me ma is on crack": this just demonstrates that you guys dont have a point to make, if you do have a point can you not argue you it with valid points rather thatn the kind of thing you hear in school when you are 12

You guys are missin my point, I think you would be better gettin a half decent car rather thatn goin for a pulsar or some crap, most of the people who drive these on the roads drive dangerously and feel like they have somethin to prove. I have no problem with people gettin these cars per se, but the fact is that most people who have these cars are boy racers and drive like **** to prove to their mates that they are "cool"

And lads I know a bit about this, having worked A&E, I have seen so many young people come in from these cars mashed up. When you see a 20 year old guy who messes his life up just coz he was tryin to prove somethin to his mate, then you feel like, man what a waste of a life, he may have thought he was cool before, but he aint gonna be so cool when he needs someone to wash and feed him for the rest of his life: I aint bein cruel on this guys but when you see it for real, it just makes you sad

toffeapple

RealCar wrote:

I made my point and I stick by it

DrDre agreed with me so I am not the only one

And to the guys who said I am 12 and that "me ma is on crack": this just demonstrates that you guys dont have a point to make, if you do have a point can you not argue you it with valid points rather thatn the kind of thing you hear in school when you are 12

You guys are missin my point, I think you would be better gettin a half decent car rather thatn goin for a pulsar or some crap, most of the people who drive these on the roads drive dangerously and feel like they have somethin to prove. I have no problem with people gettin these cars per se, but the fact is that most people who have these cars are boy racers and drive like **** to prove to their mates that they are "cool"

And lads I know a bit about this, having worked A&E, I have seen so many young people come in from these cars mashed up. When you see a 20 year old guy who messes his life up just coz he was tryin to prove somethin to his mate, then you feel like, man what a waste of a life, he may have thought he was cool before, but he aint gonna be so cool when he needs someone to wash and feed him for the rest of his life: I aint bein cruel on this guys but when you see it for real, it just makes you sad

thats not the f**king point!!! did you read the post? he was not asking wether he was going to get mangled in a car crash if he bought a civic/pulsar he asked which was better...and your changing your tune did you not state it would be better to own a 2 litre? I don't condone dangerous driving or fast driving as such...but i can tell you one thing for certain if he is going to push his car he would be safer in a pulsar than a alfa..better balance and better brakes..not unless you own a GTA do you? even then they suffer from chronic understeer as there is to much power going through the front wheels

RealCar

God why cant people get their facts straight

My point was that altho I have a 2l which has plenty of torque and bhp, that I dont go drivin it like a loser madman who wants to kill someone or himself

Also re alfas, I am sorry mate but you must be thinkin of the alfas they made in the 80's

Most reviewers talk about how great alfas are for being a drivers car, ie great on the road feel, and good brakes

In a class test against the 5 series, the 166 came up top


I have no idea why people open their mouths about things without at least checkin their facts first

Delta_ie

RealCar wrote:

I have no idea why people open their mouths about things without at least checkin their facts first

You talk about people opening there mouths without any facts, but you stereotype every civic/pulsar driver into being a reckless driver.

The OP was looking for a sports car that would fit their requirements,i.e. a performance car that they could insure and be fun to drive.

Just because it is a performance car does not mean that they will drive recklessly, by your thinking any person that drives a powerful car should be automaticly classed as a reckless driver.

RealCar wrote:

Most reviewers talk about how great alfas are for being a drivers car, ie great on the road feel, and good brakes

In a class test against the 5 series, the 166 came up top

Do you have reviews to back this up, I find it hard to believe that a fwd 166 would be a better drives car than the 5 series with near 50/50 weight distribution in most models and rwd layout...

elusiveguy

What I think is funny is that the cars we've discussed(vzr, vzr-n1, SiR, type-r, ae101 levin) all have a higher output than his alfa...

toffeapple

RealCar wrote:

God why cant people get their facts straight

My point was that altho I have a 2l which has plenty of torque and bhp, that I dont go drivin it like a loser madman who wants to kill someone or himself

Also re alfas, I am sorry mate but you must be thinkin of the alfas they made in the 80's

Most reviewers talk about how great alfas are for being a drivers car, ie great on the road feel, and good brakes

In a class test against the 5 series, the 166 came up top


I have no idea why people open their mouths about things without at least checkin their facts first

Im not talking about old alfa's you clown im talking about the 147/156 GTA which came out in 03..the performance version of your car? with a 3.2 v6??
runs 250bhp through the front wheels? you have no idea do you...you should get your facts right.
your not a car enthusiast at all

Borzoi

RealCar wrote:

....... losers

Banned. Goodbye

toffeapple

ah..i was havin a good aul ding dong with um....bring back the gimp!!

Atomic Pineapple

went a bit off topic there for awhile

any luck with the car fonda?

fonda

draffodx wrote:

went a bit off topic there for awhile

any luck with the car fonda?

Not yet my other car is in gettin fixed at the moment so i cant' really look around, thinking about the getting the pulsar i'm gonna start looking straight after Christmas.