is this thread really ok?

Crash

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054855419

ok, i know its AH, but in all honesty, what honest use or purpose does this serve at all? personally i think its absolute ****e (as can be seen by my responses on the thread, for which i was rightly banned) and really doesnt have a place on boards.

opinions?

garthv

Aye, I dont agree with that thread at all, at all

Beruthiel

that link brings me here:

Beruthiel, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

Crash

My mistake - linked to the wrong thread. - fixed now.

seamus

I get the same as Ber. You sure it's in AH?

zAbbo

can't see a problem with it, a question im sure a few people have asked, if you dont like it dont read it.

GoneShootin

TheGrinch_000 wrote:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054855419

afterhours wrote:

boards.ie/vbulletin > Rec > After Hours
Any boards'ers ever die?

Tis in AH alrite

Beruthiel

I agree that this thread is in bad taste, however aren't many of the threads in AH of that ilk?
I understand that you are having a bad time at the mo and the thread in question did not help your frame of mind. Many threads will have the same effect on people for different reasons. Just ignore it till it goes away.

Shabadu

Link is working now. I think it seems like someone trying to get a vicarious thrill out of death. He doesn't suggest a tribute, or rememberence, or seem to have any sort of compassion about it. It just looks like drama for the sake of drama.

Crash

Ruthie: tisnt even that - he died nearly two years ago. i just think its in ****e taste, and should've been shut down a while ago, especially considering at least one of the deaths thats mentioned in it never happened and said user is still around, just banned from boards these days.

JackKelly

i've thought about it before, in general about forums and how it must have happened without anyone ever noticing, but i don't know what i think about it being said outloud. He didn't word the topic very well or sensitvely. And there is a lot of pi$$ taking going on tbh.

seamus

It's been annoying me for a while.

I wouldn't mind such a thread, except that you get a whole pile of tossers (including the OP) taking the piss, despite serious answers being given.

But how close is too close to the bone? Should I lock it because myself and large chunk of others are personally offended? Had the OP or any other poster not mentioned Mark's handle, would the pisstaking seem like anything more than the usual AH tripe?

I'm not sure if you see what I'm getting at.

As for the oeNeo jokes....well I'd expect the CS kids to come along into such a thread with some immature crap. Par for the course.

TBH I'm torn between "Show some respect you muppets" and "It's only AH".

^CwAzY^

TheGrinch is just annoyed because he got banned.. would this thread even be here if he didn't get banned? Whether the thread stays or not is the mods decision to make at the end of the day, not yours TheGrinch.. I wasn't taking the piss when I started it, if you read the first post I said I was "just curious".

Crash

Well i mean theres a reason i phrased this thread as a question and didnt outright slate the thread, which'd be the same reason as yours.

However, there are three things that rile me beyond belief which is
1)i just plain dont like the way the thread started and has gone,
2)i find it close to the bone
and
3)the op really pissed me off with his reply to me, hence why i got annoyed and thus got banned.

I just dont think its a suitable topic for people just to sit around and talk the piss out of - which is essentially whats happened. just reading it there, there are 60 complete piss take posts on that thread, and i really dont think its on. if people can sit on AH and lambast people following Liam Lawlors death for "not respecting the dead", can we not at least show some ****ing decorum on the matter at a different time? apparently not.

Crash

^CwAzY^ wrote:

TheGrinch is just annoyed because he got banned.. would this thread even be here if he didn't get banned? Whether the thread stays or not is the mods decision to make at the end of the day, not yours TheGrinch.. I wasn't taking the piss when I started it, if you read the first post I said I was "just curious".

^CwAzY^ - i knew i was gonna get banned. in fact, if i'd thought about it, my post would've been a lot more abusive.

and i know its the mods decision - which is why i brought it to feedback to discuss it.

Actually no, sorry, you're right. if i hadnt been banned i'd be lobbying on thread for it to be closed instead.

^CwAzY^

TheGrinch_000 wrote:

^CwAzY^ - i knew i was gonna get banned. in fact, if i'd thought about it, my post would've been a lot more abusive.

I'm scared :v:

Gordon

I'm not surprised at your reaction to ^CwAzY^s reply Grinch, it was rather insensitive.

That thread makes me sad whenever I see it on the front page of Afterhours I don't think it should be locked though, it is a constant reminder to me that we are all human and one should enjoy life every day as the next day may not come.

WhiteWashMan

the thread stays.
it breaks no rules, and i refuse to close any thread becasue people find it distasteful tbh.

if people disagree with it, and i can see why, and i can understand why, and i can even empathise, but at the end of the day, then i would suggest that they just dont read it once they find out about it.

there will always be threads here that we find distasteful. i find the thread on george best being a drunken waster distasteful, but i just got to get on with it. sure, it annoys me that people refuse to have sympathy and hold such a black and white view, but really, its just me being annoyed. me being annoyed is not justification to close a thread.

otherwise id be looking to have have the forums here closed off

although, i must admit that i do find it morbidly facinating to know if people from boards.ie have died, disappeared, gotten pregnant, married, turned into homosexual clergy etc.
i think its just human curiosity.

and we dont all have the same level of respect for certain things, as others do.

Chinafoot

This kind of shíte is why I dont bother to read AH anymore.

I agree with TheGrinch....the thread and the písstakers on it are in very poor taste. We're talking about a real person here folks. Just because most people replying didn't know him doesnt mean it was the same for everyone.

Have a bit of respect ffs.

Crash

its slowly drifting off the front page - hopefully it'll be gone and i'll be satisfied with that.

^CwAzY^ - your level of mature posting leaves a lot to be desired.

RE*AC*TOR

I also think its in poor taste - and thought moderators had a certain amount of poetic license when choosing which threads to lock etc.?

GoneShootin

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

I also think its in poor taste - and thought moderators had a certain amount of poetic license when choosing which threads to lock etc.?

Reactor banned from FS Mobiles for having a moustache

I like the idea of the thread for the reasons Gordon suggested. But it could have done without all the "funny people".

Crash

I probably wouldnt have minded it at all if it hadnt become a pisstake.

WhiteWashMan

TheGrinch_000 wrote:

I probably wouldnt have minded it at all if it hadnt become a pisstake.

then no offence, but learn to be more tolerant.

as someone said, what else would you expect in AH. if the topic came up in the pub, youd get the same wisecracks, and if anyone said to stop becuase its a serious conversation, i can think of a few different answers youd get....

Freelancer

RE*AC*TOR wrote:

I also think its in poor taste - and thought moderators had a certain amount of poetic license when choosing which threads to lock etc.?

Poetic Licence? More like licence.

Actually poetic licence would be

Oh thread of woe,
Oh how you do flow,
like a distasteful stench,
I fear I must commence,
to close without much sorrow.

So if a mod came up with a ryhme to explain their actions they could do what they want.

That'd be a fun rule.

Crash

Whitewashman wrote:

if the topic came up in the pub, youd get the same wisecracks, and if anyone said to stop becuase its a serious conversation, i can think of a few different answers youd get....

Oh really? care to share some? i'd disagree with you on that point tbh, i'd say if you said to stop because its a serious conversation, most people would have teh cop on and decorum to stop.

Also, that thread changes very very quickly depending on whether its taken seriously or not, - i don't think it is a case of being more tolerant in that situation. If it was your bog standard bull**** AH thread and i'd done the same thing then i'd agree with you, i should have been more tolerant, however do you honestly think its right for all the bull**** that there is in that thread?

TerrorFirmer

Theres certainly nothing wrong with the question but what it degenerated into certainly is a bit dubious. It should be locked really seeing as the vast bulk of replies are stupid "almost died" wisecracks.

Still though - never any excuse for abuse! Learning the hard way is no fun

Hobart

TheGrinch_000 wrote:

Oh really? care to share some? i'd disagree with you on that point tbh, i'd say if you said to stop because its a serious conversation, most people would have teh cop on and decorum to stop.

Also, that thread changes very very quickly depending on whether its taken seriously or not, - i don't think it is a case of being more tolerant in that situation. If it was your bog standard bull**** AH thread and i'd done the same thing then i'd agree with you, i should have been more tolerant, however do you honestly think its right for all the bull**** that there is in that thread?

I have to agree with you on this. I wonder if somebody started a thread with the Subjact line "How many boards women have been raped?" or "How many boards people have been sexually abused" would the same "tolerance" be applied. The thread is beyond very bad taste imo.

TerrorFirmer

Hobart wrote:

I have to agree with you on this. I wonder if somebody started a thread with the Subjact line "How many boards women have been raped?" or "How many boards people have been sexually abused" would the same "tolerance" be applied. The thread is beyond very bad taste imo.

Okay now in all fairness they are two wholly different things and trying to compare is reeking of desperation to validate a somewhat lost point.

I agree the thread itself is silly, but the original question isn't as taboo as you seem to think it is. Its a curious question and I actually wondered that myself one day.

People die. Its a natural thing and one thats unavoidable. Rape isn't part of natures cycle. Okay, do dying young, or the like, isn't natural, but its still death, a part of life we all have to accept.

I can assure you however I've never thought to wonder how many boards members were ever abused. Or raped for that matter.

I think what you just said is about as tasteless as the personnal image you have of the thread.

edit: Isee the guy has been banned for creating the obscene abuse thread but regardless the point remains the same irelevant to the user

Hobart

MobileInfantry wrote:

Okay now in all fairness they are two wholly different things and trying to compare is reeking of desperation to validate a somewhat lost point.

Firstly, I am not comapring the subject matter. Secondly why should these subjects not be discussed, in a similar manner? Would people find them as distasteful?

I agree the thread itself is silly, but the original question isn't as taboo as you seem to think it is. Its a curious question and I actually wondered that myself one day.

Taboo? What's taboo about Rape and Sexual abuse? Please enlighten me.

People die. Its a natural thing and one thats unavoidable. Rape isn't part of natures cycle. Okay, do dying young, or the like, isn't natural, but its still death, a part of life we all have to accept.

Irrelevant point tbh.

I can assure you however I've never thought to wonder how many boards members were ever abused. Or raped for that matter.

So because YOU never thought of it makes it ok not to be discussed?

I think what you just said is about as tasteless as the personnal image you have of the thread.

But taste is not a factor is it?

Nietzschean

Find myself agree'n with TheGrinch aswell....if it had stayed somewhat civilised then like leave it alone. But threading on what is a sensitive topic for most n then just pissing on it are quite different...


As for the thing of people taking the piss out of it in the pub...i don't know who you hang around with..but anytime i've ever been in a pub bring'n up a death where some people would know the person would be a sober topic for all....

CuLT

Nietzschean wrote:

Find myself agree'n with TheGrinch aswell....if it had stayed somewhat civilised then like leave it alone. But threading on what is a sensitive topic for most n then just pissing on it are quite different...


As for the thing of people taking the piss out of it in the pub...i don't know who you hang around with..but anytime i've ever been in a pub bring'n up a death where some people would know the person would be a sober topic for all....

Agreed, "LOL I JUST DIED IN YOUR ARMS TONIGHT!" is not the first thing that springs to mind in conversations about death amongst acquaintances.

WhiteWashMan

TheGrinch_000 wrote:

Oh really? care to share some? i'd disagree with you on that point tbh, i'd say if you said to stop because its a serious conversation, most people would have teh cop on and decorum to stop.
?

but not all. my point was that you can expect a lot of different answers to a question. you may not like them all, but thats your problem, or anyones problem, its not specifically aimed at you...

TheGrinch_000 wrote:

Also, that thread changes very very quickly depending on whether its taken seriously or not, - i don't think it is a case of being more tolerant in that situation. If it was your bog standard bull**** AH thread and i'd done the same thing then i'd agree with you, i should have been more tolerant, however do you honestly think its right for all the bull**** that there is in that thread?

but AH is not a 'serious' forum. its ok for topics to meander, go off topic, have rubbish posted in them.
thats what its there for. thats what it was created for.

whether its right or not is not an issue. whether it breaks the rules or not is.
it doesnt break any of the rules for AH.
im sorry, but the 'i dont like it, therefore i will try and justify it as some sort of abomination' argument just wont work.

WhiteWashMan

CuLT wrote:

Agreed, "LOL I JUST DIED IN YOUR ARMS TONIGHT!" is not the first thing that springs to mind in conversations about death amongst acquaintances.

and if you wanted a high brow conversation, what were you doing in AH?

Crash

justify it? i'm not trying to justify anything, i'm just expressing my opinion on that thread.

first off, for how long has boards been trying to build up and maintain a sense of community? in dealing with a thread like that, any user mentioned is pretty much bound to be known by a fair few posters and even good friends with one or two - so is it right to deal with the issue like that there?

I'm sorry but i personally dont see the "ah **** it, its in AH, if it doesnt do anything specifically against the rules it'll be fine" justification as being right at all, in fact i think its total bull.

Boston

^CwAzY^ wrote:

TheGrinch is just annoyed because he got banned.. would this thread even be here if he didn't get banned? Whether the thread stays or not is the mods decision to make at the end of the day, not yours TheGrinch.. I wasn't taking the piss when I started it, if you read the first post I said I was "just curious".

Your Signature is too big please change it.

WhiteWashMan

TheGrinch_000 wrote:

justify it? i'm not trying to justify anything, i'm just expressing my opinion on that thread.

first off, for how long has boards been trying to build up and maintain a sense of community? in dealing with a thread like that, any user mentioned is pretty much bound to be known by a fair few posters and even good friends with one or two - so is it right to deal with the issue like that there?

I'm sorry but i personally dont see the "ah **** it, its in AH, if it doesnt do anything specifically against the rules it'll be fine" justification as being right at all, in fact i think its total bull.

and youre entitled to your opinion

Crash

WhiteWashMan wrote:

and youre entitled to your opinion

:rolleyes:

nesf

Hobart wrote:

I have to agree with you on this. I wonder if somebody started a thread with the Subjact line "How many boards women have been raped?" or "How many boards people have been sexually abused" would the same "tolerance" be applied. The thread is beyond very bad taste imo.

You know, he decided to try out that theory. Guess where that got him.

WhiteWashMan

TheGrinch_000 wrote:

:rolleyes:

but thats what youre expressing!

youre telling me that we should lose the thread becuase you believe that its not appropriate.

everything you have said is your opinion.

dont try and give me a rolling eyes smilie because youve given your opinion and i dont agree with it.

at the end of the day, the thread is nothing more than a stupid thread that you dont agree with. nothing more, nothing less. if people get offended by it, then they should perhaps not read it.
after all, i dont go into threads on hunting, debate the matter and then ask for them to be shut becuase i dont agree with hunting.
i dont argue that threads with people complaining they cant get a girlfriend should be binned becuase i am annoyed that the same thread exists 20 times on the PI forum.

youve given your opinion, and youre entitled to it. im not going to argue your opinion. its yours. keep it.
again, your annoyance and irritation at a thread is not justification for its removal.
and giving me a roll eyes for pointing it out is pretty childish.
just accept that it wont be removed becuase you dont like it.

Hobart

nesf wrote:

You know, he decided to try out that theory. Guess where that got him.

I have no idea what you are refering too.

WhiteWashMan

he posted up a thread with a poll asking who on boards.ie had been sexually abused.
he was banned by Nesf, and the thread deleted by me

Crash

And it was my opinion that your reply to mine was rather childish as well, so i honestly wasnt arsed giving it a proper reply basically wwm. Hell if you can try and make your point with a smiley, then i think my :rolleyes: was perfectly valid.

Hobart: ^CwAzY^ started a thread on AH entitled "how many boards users have been sexually abused" - it was promptly deleted and he was banned by nesf, as is my understanding of things.

Hobart

WhiteWashMan wrote:

he posted up a thread with a poll asking who on boards.ie had been sexually abused.
he was banned by Nesf, and the thread deleted by me

IC

Rabies

A thread asking were any boards members abused was created by Cwazy.
Nesf deleted the thread and banned him/her/it

WhiteWashMan

TheGrinch_000 wrote:

And it was my opinion that your reply to mine was rather childish as well, so i honestly wasnt arsed giving it a proper reply basically wwm. Hell if you can try and make your point with a smiley, then i think my :rolleyes: was perfectly valid..

i didnt make a point with a smilie, i indicated humour.
the point was still there with the 'youre entitled to your opinion' line.
the smilie merely indicated that i wasnt being facetious about it.

other than that, there isnt much to more to add i think.

CuLT

WhiteWashMan wrote:

and if you wanted a high brow conversation, what were you doing in AH?

Ah, so AH has become the refuge of the weak-minded.

I remember having interesting and thought-provoking discussion there at one point.

WhiteWashMan

CuLT wrote:

Ah, so AH has become the refuge of the weak-minded.

I remember having interesting and thought-provoking discussion there at one point.

no, nor am i saying that it is completely full of rubbish.

but like i said, if you want high brow debates, is it actually the forum you would go to?
or would you head to humanities?

i agree, sometimes there are some interesting topics in there, and sometimes there are not.
sometimes there are some intense debates in there, and sometimes the thread is full of inane remarks.

but thats not really the point of this thread.

halenger

I didn't like this thread from the moment that I saw it. Something about the original posting just sounded too casual (or some word I can't find) when referencing Mark. I never knew him that well but it still wrenches at my gut thinking back (and re-reading his last blog entries). I don't care if this seems irrelevent. I just want to post it.

Is "it's AH after all" really a valid reason for something like that to decend to humour? I'll admit I seldomly read AH, possibly for good reason, but I can't agree that just because it's AH is a valid enough reason for people to start taking the piss out of something that hits so close to home. I'm sure threads similar to this hit close to home for other people but this is aimed specifically at the boards.ie community. So how about a bit more respect and taking it a bit more seriously?

solas

sorry to hear you folks lost a friend, many of us are new to the site and are not familiar with the older members (I haven't participated in the ah thread), it's only natural to expect people to be curious about the subject but it would be nice if it could be dealt with tactfully.
I remember last year someone proposed a sort of memorial to boardsies who had passed on but it wasn't considered suitable at the time.
For what it's worth I'm offering this post in memory of all the boardsies who are no longer with us.
~i~

WhiteWashMan

halenger wrote:

Is "it's AH after all" really a valid reason for something like that to decend to humour?

no one is using 'its AH after all' for a thread to decend into humour.

I simply mentioned that AH is not exactly reknowned for its high brow conversation.

halenger wrote:

I'll admit I seldomly read AH, possibly for good reason, but I can't agree that just because it's AH is a valid enough reason for people to start taking the piss out of something that hits so close to home.

but this is the same argument as the grinch had. thats your opinion, and its subjective. many people use humour as their own defence mechanism for dealing with death. now, im not suggesting that any or all of the replies are a defence mechanism, but at the same time, its not against the rules to take the mickey out of things. even if it does rub you or me up the wrong way.

halenger wrote:

. I'm sure threads similar to this hit close to home for other people but this is aimed specifically at the boards.ie community. So how about a bit more respect and taking it a bit more seriously?

you cant demand that people start to have respect for things, just because you do. nor can you demand that people take things more seriously.
thats just being intolerant.

should i start telling people not to drink becuase my friend died from a drunken hit and running. should i tell comedians not to make drink driving jokes becuase it reminds me of what has happened? perhaps we can remove the motors forum, and the wine beer and spirits forum?
perhaps the humour forum as well, just in case someone posts up something i dont like becuase it reminds me?

if you dont like it, then fine. its been noted, and you have said your piece.

by the way, you never actually suggested what should be done with the thread, just that you didnt like it.