US: 2X08 - "Collision" [**SPOILERS WITHIN**]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "COLLISION" -

Episode Title: "Collision"
Airdate: November 23rd 2005

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Violence erupts when Ana Lucia and her group stumble upon Sayid and the other castaways on the island. Kate cares for Sawyer.

Next New Episode: 2X09 - "What Kate Did" - November 30th 2005

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EDIT: Download (MP3 21.1MB) the Lost Podcast in which supervising producers/writers Javier Grillo-Marxuach and Leonard Dick offer insights on their work in "Collision," which they wrote.

Basq

8

One or two quick things:

Firstly, i'm really liking TV.com's new short synopsis style.. as opposed to last season's "let's give you a full breakdown of the episode story and revelations in a wordy 5 sentence synopsis."

And secondly, this'll be quite an interesting little addition after the episode. Over at the Official Lost Website, they've been doing PodCasts for the last few weeks conducting interviews with casts and creators of the show.

But this week will be quite unique in that there will be a 42 minute or so (duration of the episode) full scene-by-scene commentary of this week's episode "Collision" from the writer's of the episode, one being the typically excellent Javier Grillo-Marxuach and i can't recall the other writer (and IMDB doesn't give it).

But anyways, the commentary should be guite interesting!

So listen to it here after the episode has aired.

Enjoy the episode, folks!

RobertFoster

Cool, the commentary thing sounds like a good idea. We'll be able to tell if our cousins miss any scenes

stag39

9

Ana is one tough cookie... wondering what will occur between her an jack!

don't think u'd have a mother and a daughter in the same cop shop!!

hmmm kate an sawyer and the way she cares bout him..

Washout

9

loved this episode. the tension and mistrust when Ecko is in the bunker and Locke just able to diffuse it with his softly spoken words was cool.

Didnt care much for Ana Lucias backstory but at least you got an insight into her life.

must admit there was a tear in my eye a tthe end with the reunions.

now to find next weeks trailer which will be the last episode b4 a break until january

stag39

9

Washout wrote:

now to find next weeks trailer which will be the last episode b4 a break until january

one due on the 30th nov and one on the 14th dec..;)

Washout

9

u sure. this is from the site www.thetailsection.com

After November 30th LOST will be going into reruns until January 11th! Have you ever seen a grown man cry?

stag39

9

yep from the tv.com site...

its called merged..

Sherifu

8

Eko and Locke scenes were great.
I was hoping Jack would find Anna Lucia and Sayid hanging,
not to be i guess.
Two good episodes back to back.

sephirosis

7

this gave a good idea of how insane ana lucia actually is. the poor thing seems to be in the depth of paranoia (maybe Libby can come to the rescue). I figured she had had some family issues due to the fact she tried to protect the kids and also she was asked last episode and her face just darkened, but i didnt for a second think she had lost her child in that way. i was a little surprised at her revenge.
locke and eko will indeed make an interesting pair, they both seem to understand each other better than anyone else can.
i thought that when the small white thing fell into the water by jack it was the glass eye, bizarre i know but there you go.
anyway i thought it was quite good overall, the scenes with ana lucia were the strongest imo. nothing too controversial to discuss this week anyway. about 8/10 on the whole

BKtje

7

also gave it an 8.

when the small white thing fell into the water by jack it was the glass eye, bizarre i know but there you go.

Thought that as well believe it or not

Basq

8

Excellent episode actually!

Enjoyed it even more last week's - am very glad they actually showed AL taking Sayid's gun as opposed to her using Sawyer's now empty gun to threaten people with.

Enjoyed her backstory and the revelation at the end of it - really didn't expect it to be honest but after hearing it, her reaction to the screaming baby etc all made sense.

Nice to see "The Island Open" make an appearance again - and also the blossoming chemistry in the first half of the episode shot down with Sawyer's return and Kate's whispers in his ear. Jack-y Boy certainly didn't like that!

The reunion at the end did bring a slight tear to the eye but actually expected them to use the same excellent slow music when Boone died and at the final plane scene in last season's finale but the return of the "sail away" music from Exodus - Part 1 was also very well used.

Eko and Locke's scenes in the Hatch were fantastic - felt powerful even though very little was said. A nice little contrast between them.

And the closing scene with Jack and AL standing across from each other just felt special in some way. Blossoming romance, tension ... who knows?

Giving it a 9 as i really did think it was one of the best. Not the most exciting but loved the insight in AL's backstory, the reunion, Locke and Eko's scenes made it an all-round powerful episode.

EDIT: I've now included a link to the aforementioned commentary in my original post.

EDIT: Just spotted a numbers reference on a re-watch. When Locke is doing the word puzzle in front of the computer, he writes in the answer to 42 down as "Gilgamesh".

OFDM

8

My favourite episode of season 2 so far. I felt a nice sense of satisfaction at the end of it. this is how Lost should do all the low actions episodes, great structure to it and some great scenes, especially in the hatch.

The only question I have is where did they get the golf balls? Last time they were golfing they were using rocks.

Chong

9

Lost gets better and better.

Anima

8

Yeah great episode. Loved the A-L backstory, it all made sense and her revenge really showed how loco she is at times . Didn't think much of the Eko and Locke scenes, just seemed like a filler scene in the ep to me. Good to see most of the cast aswell, been a while now really. I also liked the reunion, definitely a teary eyed moment, plus I really liked the music.

AnCapaillMor

7

The guy who did the soundtrack for that show is a genius, every bit of music just suits the every scene perfectly. good show, still hate Rodrigueuz's cahracter with a passion.

Mr E

8

I have to admit, the end of that show is what lost does best... mess with your emotions! I don't mind admitting I was a bit misty....

Great episode, a solid 9 from me.

jor el

7

I'll give it an eight this time. Good episode, and brings the story nicely along. When is Sayid going to tell Michael he saw Walt though? Did you see the look on his face when Michael told him that the others had taken Walt?

Sawyer's return and Kate's whispers in his ear. Jack-y Boy certainly didn't like that!

I'm not so sure about that. I don't think the look on Jack's face was envy. I think he knows that Kate always had strong feelings for Sawyer, and accepts it. He lit up though when he found out that Ana Lucia was around too. I might be wrong though.

Seeing Ana Lucia go mad was good, and also the back story of how she lost her unborn child and the revenge gives a good insight into her. Still don't know if I like her or not.

Smurfpiss

7

Yeah it shall get an 8 from me. Good strong episode, i liked it.
Ana lucia is one CRAZY bitch. Back story was well done though, but christ all mighty who put her in charge? yeah she was pregnant, but yikes....imagine her in a pro-life group :eek: (bad taste? moi?)
really liked the scene where locke met Eko. Hello. Thats one cool sonofabitch.
2 more episodes before the dreaded break.
No Lost. No prison break. where in god's name will i get my fix?
Maybe i'll actually get some study done...

Thumper Long

8

ill give it an auld 9, i must admit after about 5 mins i was tempted to chuck the monitor out the window because of the extremely annoying A-L, i dont think i have ever hated a tv character more, although that is probably the power of Lost, i think Echo and Lock will become like crocadile dundee twins pushing the buttons and catching the dinner. I have another explanation to what lost is, its not limbo or a parallel universe, Its a dream that bobby ewing had while in the shower, cos he was in there for ages

mewso

7

I liked this episode alot (gave it an 8) with a couple of small irks. First off I didn't like the Kate whispering in Sawyer's ear being the only way to get him to take the pill. Seemed like a cheap reminder for us dullards that there was a 3 way romance going before sawyer left.
Also a simple thing like AL swinging the blade at sayid reminds me of alot of similar things on tv where only the characters in the scene have any doubt about what that person is doing with the balde. i.e. setting the other free but did anyone really think she was about to off him? Please.

ElNino

I thought it was one of the best episodes in Season 2 even though there was not a lot of hard action.

The Jack - Kate - Sawyer love triangle is starting to get complicated with AL appearing. Kate is pretty handy with a golf club.

I was not surprised that AL was a cop. She seems to be a bit of a pyschopath. I hope that she doesn't get too much air time as I can't stand her.

Chong

9

Having seen next weeks preview I cant wait.

robinph

6

So is Anna going to be responsible for getting her mum sacked from the police after having her as her boss, like Jack was with his dad then?

OFDM

8

jor el wrote:

I'm not so sure about that. I don't think the look on Jack's face was envy. I think he knows that Kate always had strong feelings for Sawyer, and accepts it.

I agree with that, by looking away it was like he was giving her a semi-rpivate moment with Sawyer.

Thumper Long wrote:

I have another explanation to what lost is, its not limbo or a parallel universe, Its a dream that bobby ewing had while in the shower, cos he was in there for ages

Was it not Pam Ewing that had the dream and discovered the not dead Bobby Ewing in the shower?

As for all the Ana Lucia hate, am I right in saying it's mostly from people who have seen her in Resident Evil/SWAT/TFATF???

And how did I know her surname would be Cortez? - there must be only three hispanic surnames in total.

jor el

7

OFDM wrote:

And how did I know her surname would be Cortez? - there must be only three hispanic surnames in total.

Yes. Cortez, Menodza and what's the third one again?

Sherifu

8

Rodriguez

steveland?

5

OFDM wrote:

Was it not Pam Ewing that had the dream and discovered the not dead Bobby Ewing in the shower?

I think he means that Lost is just a dream that Bobby was having

doh.ie

Mixed feelings on this episode. A 5/6 at best for me. Enjoyed the last scene and the scenes in the hatch (nice to see they haven't forgotten it exists!).

Otherwise, the Ana Lucia storyline, while interesting enough, really didn't teach us all that much (yet again). OK, so she became unhinged over the shooting and subsequent murder and she's still not recovered from that trauma. But it didn't make the island goings-on any more compelling for me.
We knew she was a biatch from her first appearance. This might explain it,
but not in any way that suggests she will become more likeable over time. (Though of course, that's exactly what they'll probably do.)

The only really interesting aspect of her flashback was the lost pregnancy. I liked that because there's an echo (pardon the pun) of it in a previous episode - Eko or Goodwin asked her if she had children. Again this week, Sayid does. I wondered as soon as Sayid said that if it was relevant - and then the revelation.

I'm surprised she managed to shoot a man multiple times without someone finding out or reporting it, and then taking a blood-stained corpse somewhere to dispose of it. Granted, she's a police officer, but still... Plus, I wanted to know why she was in Oz - I suppose that's for her next flashback.

Liked the scenes with Eko and Locke, partly because there was this look on Locke's face that said, "What do YOU know about the island...?" One thing that bugged me in this part of the episode, though, was Sun in the hatch. I thought this was a secret and (until) now limited to: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Locke, Charlie (though he hasn't been in) and Rose. Maybe after the Hurley peanut butter and larder giveaway, everyone found out a lot more, but it still seemed to come out of nowhere for me.

Nice to see the golf back, even if it felt like filler.

Eko - CwazY posted in the 2x07 thread that "quarantine"'s definition included "A period of 40 days". Not sure if I said this last week or not, but I'm reckoning on Eko having been a priest/religious at one point. 40 days in biblical terms was a period of fasting which could offer penance or atonement for sins (Eko killed two Others). He also looked very profoundly at the bible which was in the Dharma station's trunk. And this week, he says he's bringing Sawyer back to his camp, "not for him; I'm doing it for me." Trying to balance the books, perhaps.

More unusual Sun actions: In addition to her suddenly knowing where the hatch was, having met Michael at the vegetable garden, I would have thought Sun would have been combing that area looking for Jin, or at least have wanted to know where Jack and Eko were heading to. But, no, she instead sits by the beach washing clothes. OK, so Jin wasn't with Ana Lucia by that point, but it was a tad convenient and didn't strike me as the same level of desperation to see him we had when she'd believed him dead. Maybe it's just me, but if she was pacing the beach looking for him to come from the jungle, it might have spoken more of "I know you're alive, I can't wait to see you" as opposed to, "I know you're alive, but first let me get the last of the suds off these jeans."

The final scene had the right level of emotion (though Bernard didn't appear to see Rose until she was almost in front of him, and Sun did that cheesy double-take) and the "Exodus" music was nicely reused. I did also like the final scene with Ana Lucia and Jack - especially her dropping her eyes downwards, as if in shame.

Overall, I still feel Shannon's death served no purpose and they lost a perfectly good character for no real reason. (They also made it clear she was dead from the credits' reading of Special Guest Star for Maggie Grace.) The Sayid/Ana Lucia exchange (including "What's the point in killing you if we're both dead?") was about the best piece to come from it, and yet I couldn't help thinking that the expansion in cast might ultimately be to the detriment of the season one cast. I mean, what's the point in adding AL, Libby, Eko and Bernard, if we continue to see less of Charlie, Claire (no appearance this week), Kate (no appearance the week before last) and so on. Time will tell, but I hope the cast expansion isn't ultimately to give them free reign on more cast culling. For several shows lately, the pointless killing off of characters has proven to be a turn-off for viewers (both Lost and Las Vegas suffered ratings drops after such stunts.) If it works, as it did with Boone and the near-death of Charlie in season 1, then grand and I'd be all for it, but Shannon's still strikes me as poorly chosen and unnecessary for a character that had substantial potential.

Hmm. Obviously still bitter... Best ep so far this year remains 2x07 for me (and 2x01 a close second).

Peace

7

Shannon would have served the show way better if she had been developed, from a shallow spoiled brat to a human being who was actually useful (they had got half way there but then just axed her).

I don't mind there being a few extra characters in the show, we don't need to see the same faces every week. It also allows the development of new relationships and to watch how the new people join the established group. A.L. will more than likely have trouble not being the head honco...
However i can't see the bernard & wife people contributing all that much in the show but i'll wait and see.

The new blondey bird (libby?) will be an interesting addition.

Also, will Michael & Eko (and maybe Locke) go out looking for Walt? Will the others reappear and start snatching people? Will the dark haired flight attendant be found dead?

Did anyone notice how interested Eko was in the armoury? Maybe he was just recollecting that if they had those weapons in their bunker things would have gone a little smoother.

The closing scene was very good. And yeah you're right... why was Sun doing the washing when she knew Jin was knocking about somewhere.

jor el

7

Peace wrote:

why was Sun doing the washing when she knew Jin was knocking about somewhere.

I'd imagine that in the time it took Sun to bring Michael into the hatch/room, he explained to her that Jin was looking after Sawyer and that they needed to get Jack and guns to go after him. He wouldn't have told her where he was for fear she'd go running off into the jungle and get shot by Ana Lucia.

doh.ie wrote:

One thing that bugged me in this part of the episode, though, was Sun in the hatch. I thought this was a secret

No, everyone knows about it now. It was only a secret at the beginning when they had to conserve the food. Now the food is all gone, everyone can use the washer/dryer and shower etc.

steveland?

5

doh.ie wrote:

I'm surprised she managed to shoot a man multiple times without someone finding out or reporting it, and then taking a blood-stained corpse somewhere to dispose of it. Granted, she's a police officer, but still... Plus, I wanted to know why she was in Oz - I suppose that's for her next flashback.

I'd imagine she didn't get away with it. We don't know how long ago that flashback was from and what happened afterwards.

She could've been kicked out and gone to jail, or maybe she fled to Australia straight after she'd killed him.

She said in the first episode that she was in that she hated flying, implying that going to Australia might've been out of panic or something..

I dunno, didn't like this episode so much... give it maybe a 5... Ana Lucia just bores me

doh.ie

jor el wrote:

I'd imagine that in the time it took Sun to bring Michael into the hatch/room, he explained to her that Jin was looking after Sawyer and that they needed to get Jack and guns to go after him. He wouldn't have told her where he was for fear she'd go running off into the jungle and get shot by Ana Lucia.

OK, the risk of her getting shot is a good reason, but a throwaway line to this effect might have been better. If she was told Jin was looking after Sayid, though, and Sun knew Jack and Eko were going after him, I'm still surprised she preferred to wait. If the threat of Ana Lucia's trigger-finger was so great, she might have wanted to go, but stay a little behind. Having her not seem to *want* to go is what made the final scene unusual for me.

jor el wrote:

No, everyone knows about it now. It was only a secret at the beginning when they had to conserve the food. Now the food is all gone, everyone can use the washer/dryer and shower etc.

Again, having not seen the hatch since 2x04, it is probably now necessary for the writers to make this point - if everyone does use the facilities, we need to see more people in there over the coming weeks. Say, Rose leaving with a bunch of laundry or someone heading in to the shower. (Wonder why Sun was doing laundry on the beach when she could've used the dryer, by the way...)

But is it possible Jack & Co claimed they'd just found a box washed up from the crash (like the Aussie boomerangs that washed up on the tail section beach), and actually haven't told the wider group about the hatch? At the very least, there'll be a LOT of questions about the hatch and its purpose to explain, and I could see a split arising in the group as to whether it's wise to continue to keep entering the numbers...

herobear

has anybody listened to the podcast commentary yet ?

does it sync up with the torrent ?

Basq

8

herobear wrote:

has anybody listened to the podcast commentary yet ?

does it sync up with the torrent ?

Yeah.. listened to it. It's quite interesting.

They give you a comment on when to start playing your copy and if you play the MP3 along with your copy, what they're saying should all reflect what's on screen anyways.

They even pause when they mention they're coming to an ad-break.

lostexpectation

6

I thought the

- kill me I've been bad. no,no kill me! was a bit much,

how about sayid and ana hooking up ?

doh.ie
I think alot of the people are still very wary of the hatch and don't want be there too much.

Wasn't the captain/mum in red dragon? or was it man of fire

I remembered libby was was Titus and Drew carey and I saw Hurley in Becker,
did ya see his hot RL GF

I hope my humour makes up for my stomach.

tvnutz

8

Great episode! Really enjoyed it!

Loved the Locke and Eko scenes,so little said but you can tell that will be such a great pairing.

Still not liking Ana Lucia,but I don't hate her has much,she has problems,lost a kid,and committed murder in revenge,didn't see any of that coming to be honest. From the way they were talking at the start I thought she had shot another cop by accident or killed a kid.

Loved the reunions as well.

9/10

Sauron

8

Excellent episode imo.. gave it a 9

just excellently shot and put together

Loved the scenes with Eko and Locke..

the golf course scenes were great.. good to see evangeline back again

the ending was great.. the Rose-Bernhard reunion brought a tear to the eye

the whole "I'm pregnant" thing came as a bit of a shock but it was more random than anything else imo.. twas an ok Backstory..

all in all I think Lost is getting back on form.. roll on 2x9

sprinkles

8

Very good episode. The ending was superb with Al looking at Jack.....

I think she'll become a much more likeable character in the future and I can see her and Sayid patching things up, perhaps she saves his life or something to that effect.

Again I think most people enjoyed the Locke Eko moments, which will no doubt prove a vital pairing in Walt's situation or perhaps figuring out what the numbers are all about.

Teh back story was ok.....generally they don't tend to be that great, def this season they have been poor and this one did nothing to really excite me. I reckon the sawyer one is the best still.

THe reunions at the end brought a tear to my eyes....very emotional. Very well shot.....great music and well edited.

No new questions thrown up....we're still wondering about Desmond, the numbers and the whereabouts of the flight attendant (don't rem her name). Anyway the next episode will hope fully rekindle those mysteries and show an attempt at solving them.

Looking forward to the next one already.

OFDM

8

Anyone else notice that Jack's been converted to the way of the button, reminding Locke to go back to the computer to enter the code when the beeps started.

OFDM

8

steveland? wrote:

I think he means that Lost is just a dream that Bobby was having

A facinating concept.

Ruskie4Rent

5

Meh! a bit soppy towards the end, i was hoping for something shocking to happen so i could look forward to next week's episode. I was really suprised that i actually enjoyed anna lucia's flashback, she might not be all there in the sanity department and yet for some reason i had sympathy for her even though she really grates my goat, the bitch!

^CwAzY^

Amazing!! 9/10 ! Ana Lucia's flashback was brilliant.. losing a baby and killing the man responsible.. no wonder she's insane.. The scene at the end was like the end of a romance movie lol.. all the reunions..

I'm usually full of theories and stuff when the episodes are over, but the only thing I picked up on really in this episode was when Sayid said "Why kill us if we're both already dead".. Maybe they ARE dead? I dunno.. I just can't let an episode go by without making up a mad theory :v:

ixoy

5

I despise AL with a passion. It almost makes the show unwatchable for me. Her flashbacks didn't do anything to illicit further symapthy. That she was pregnant was no real surprise - I inferred it from Danny leaving her, from her questions to Sayid, and from "Lost" thinking it's constantly clever to have characters reveal things suddenly. She's a bitch and I just know the show's going to attempt to humanise her now: Let's watch next week as Jack and Anna-Lucia bond over their guilt trips! Hurrah - I can wait...

Oh and was anyone expect AL to hack anything over than rope vines at the end? That's not dramatic tension - that's making almost farcical use of "Lost"'s good, but overused at times, score.

Not sure if I'm really all that fond of Ekko as others are. On one hand, the acting's good - he can convey a lot of emotion through his sheer presence and gestures. That's good and, in that way, he works great with Locke. We can all see a bond forming there. But, on the other hand, I hope we get suitably rewarded and find something interestingly differnt about him.

Kudos to the reunion scene - as cheaply manipulative as it was (again using that score), it worked for me, particularly for Rose. Although I'm with Doh.ie in that they had Sun hanging around, rather silly, just to have that slo-mo glance back.

So, because I can't stand AL and felt some of the scenes lacked that real tension, I'm giving the show a 6 this week...

Talisman

6

Anyone else notice the way Ecko locked in on the Dharma/Swan logo in the hatch? He certainly seemed to recognise something in it.

doh.ie

Talisman wrote:

Anyone else notice the way Ecko locked in on the Dharma/Swan logo in the hatch? He certainly seemed to recognise something in it.

Probably cos the Tailies own hatch also has a Dharma logo (one with an arrow) - though it was abandoned (maybe around the time of "the incident"), it seems that it was a different kind of research station. (Some have suggested the 'arrow' is actually a transmitted tower, maybe connected to the one where Danielle changed the numbers transmission.)

Ixoy - agree the 'tension' for the cutting of the vines was crap and unworthy of Lost. There was no way she'd ever have killed Sayid and suggesting that was possible makes a mockery of the fans.

Basq

8

doh.ie wrote:

Ixoy - agree the 'tension' for the cutting of the vines was crap and unworthy of Lost. There was no way she'd ever have killed Sayid and suggesting that was possible makes a mockery of the fans.

The writers addressed in the commentary that it was idiotic the way the promo for the episode played out.

Firstly, it shows AL shouting at Sayid "stop or i'll shoot" and then a gunshot is seen. Then at the end of the promo we see the knife swing down at Sayid.

Either she'll shoot him or slice him with the knive? Not both! :rolleyes:

ixoy

8

ixoy wrote:

Kudos to the reunion scene - as cheaply manipulative as it was (again using that score), it worked for me, particularly for Rose.

Ditto here

So, because I can't stand AL and felt some of the scenes lacked that real tension, I'm giving the show a 6 this week...

I've just watched 6,7 and 8 back to back and it was kind of like a loud and crashing symphony that went all quiet and put me to sleep in 7 and woke me up again with a very entertaining last 40 mins making me want an encore.
Thats why this gets a 9 from me.

OFDM

8

doh.ie wrote:

Ixoy - agree the 'tension' for the cutting of the vines was crap and unworthy of Lost. There was no way she'd ever have killed Sayid and suggesting that was possible makes a mockery of the fans.

This is why watching promos is a bad thing. If it wasn't in the promo it wouldn't be so obvious and no one would even think of making a big thing out of it. It would have been overshadowed by the fact that she threw the knife and gun on the ground after so that Sayid could kill her if he wanted. That was far more interesting. Instead, because it was in the promo it made everyone focus in on it and think the entire scene was lame.

This week I'm experimenting with not watching the promo for the next episode to avoid such lameness.

Peace

7

Did anyone notice that the call sign for AL's patrol was 8-adam-16. Thats 2 of the numbers.

lostexpectation

6

OFDM wrote:

Instead, because it was in the promo it made everyone focus in on it and think the entire scene was lame.

the writters said the same thing, I don't think they digged it too much either, thank god for a commentary where they don't just slobber over how great everyone is, except for BIIIIIIIIIIIG MIIIIIIIKKKKEEEEEEE!!!