STUDENT POKER - Tinity College

brophypt

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ntlbell

Have a read of

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=227377

Ron DMC

You might as well post this on the tcd forum also.

Amaru

Is this open to anybody? And whats the buy in? Lastly, is Niall still involved with the poker soc?

shoutman

on a side note dit aungier street play every second thursday ie the next game will be thursday week and there after will play every alternative tuesday. Does that make sense?

As in one week it will be thursday next week it will be tuesday.
Pm me if anyone wants more details

cheers

padser

UCD play every mon. Dont even think about going. The prize fund is raped every week. (i reckon to 40% or less goes back to players)

I played for most of last yr as i wanted to play some live poker. Went back once this yr and saw same ppl running it so i left.

mewso

brophypt if you dont change the thread to comply with our rules we'll have to delete it.

kinaldo

damn it i clicked on your signature expecting to see shauna hiatt in all her glory.. i was VERY disappointed

mewso

Sorry to dissappoint you

Spiritus

That got me too

ntlbell

Your mouse hover skillz need more work


suckers.

califano

Not me, i hovered over it to see what the link was. Thats the discipline!

mewso

Thats no good guys. I have an arrangement with All-In poker. You have a 1 in 100 chance of being redirected to a backdoor into the Playboy section for Shauna Hiatt.

Doc Farrell

dammit! i got stung too!
damn you musician! damn you to hell! :mad:




too much? ok, then lets just say you're a very naughty monkey!

Dub13

I got stung by this scam last week but did not want to say anything as I felt abit tick that i could be tricked so easily .But I dont feel so bad now....its true men are like dogs.

Lafortezza

First post deleted until OP returns to fill us in on all the relevant details as required by the Poker Event guidelines thread linked in the 2nd post.

brophypt

This is the events guideline for TCD Cards Soc:

TCD Cards society run a poker game every monday night of term. Next game is in january as we are now reaching the end of our term. The point of it is for the love of the game and to have a sociable large poker event in which students can afford.

The game can vary from monday to monday but normally starts at 6- 6:30 in the Buttery Resturant Trinity College.
We register at 6 and start at 6:30.
To play you must be a member of TCD Cards Society at an aditional cost of 2euro. With this you get to play in all our games and get on the mailing list so you will know about all upcoming events.
We have held tourneys of 140 at the start of term, our max is roughly 200 but its usually around 80, with seats for the game bought at the events.
Our normal event is a 5 euro unlimited rebuy tourney, rebuys last for an hour until 7:30, with an additional topup at 7:30 all for an additional 5 euro. We play holdem mainly but will be holding different events in the future: email cards@csc.tcd.ie for info.
The last game we had was a 10euro freezeout which was very successful, and had a pot of 800euro, split between about 85-90 players, we normally take about 10% to cover expenses.

We start in the rebuy tourneys with 1500 in chips and blinds at 25 and 50. The blinds are raised every 30mins for the first hour and every 20 after that. In the freezout we go same structure but with 3000 to start.
Rebuys are always 1500
The topup is worth 2000
We pay at least top 8.
10 were paid last monday night

Tournament Directors are Paul Brophy, Simon Quirke or Robert Hume- All disputes are resolved by them, and the tournament directors say is final.

Any quiries email cards@csc.tcd.ie

mewso

brophypt wrote:

we normally take about 10% to cover expenses.

Paul. A little suggestion you might consider. If you charge €5 + €0.50 then you can take your 10% and be completely transparent about it. I'm not going to get into the rights or wrongs of adding to the rebuys too but do so if you must then everyone knows where they stand. Also record the entries, rebuys and top-ups so that you can announce this figure to the assembled players towards the end of the tournament.

bohsman

padser wrote:

UCD play every mon. Dont even think about going. The prize fund is raped every week. (i reckon to 40% or less goes back to players)

I played for most of last yr as i wanted to play some live poker. Went back once this yr and saw same ppl running it so i left.

I have also heard this. Dont touch.

Idoubtit

Yup the ucd pokersoc are fairly greedy, any suggestion of a registration fee is met with looks of horror, probably because €5+€5 tournament would put people off.

I still play every Monday mind you, the standard of the majority of players means its still profitable.... plus I need my fix after a long monday.

Here's a good one taken from the poster of another UCD society that recently ran a poker tournament in the Fitz. "Guaranteed Prizepool €3000". Of course the prizepool was something like €2000 in the end and when questions were asked we were told that we should have read the fine print. Apparently it had "(based on number of entrants)" written underneath. Scurrilous behaviour!!!

mewso

Well if they claim to only take 10% then it would only have to be €5+€0.50 not another fiver. Anyway if these guys can't state exactly how there take is calculated they won't be allowed to advertise here again.

Spiritus

Idoubtit wrote:

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Here's a good one taken from the poster of another UCD society that recently ran a poker tournament in the Fitz. "Guaranteed Prizepool €3000". Of course the prizepool was something like €2000 in the end and when questions were asked we were told that we should have read the fine print. Apparently it had "(based on number of entrants)" written underneath. Scurrilous behaviour!!!

From www.dictionary.com

scur·ri·lous Pronunciation Key (skûr-ls, skr-)
adj.

1. Given to the use of vulgar, coarse, or abusive language; foul-mouthed.
2. Expressed in vulgar, coarse, and abusive language.

Your use of the word in this instance is both obviously incorrect and patently unresearched, unless of course the posters in question were "colorfully" worded.

Unsurprisingly then, your inference that there were irregularities with regard to the prizepool of the tournament that was held in the Fitzwilliam Card Club is likewise incorrect as all monies taken in entries were paid out as prizes (less €5 per entry as a registration fee).

Idoubtit

Ooops well I'm a Maths student, heard a big word somewhere and thought I'd give it a go.

As for that tournament I have no doubt that "all monies taken in entries were paid out as prizes "(less €5 per entry as a registration fee)". My issue was with the words 3000 guaranteed. I don't have any dictionary handy but think I know the meaning of the word guarantee, despite its considerable length.

Spiritus

Research (and possibly Google) is your friend.

Idoubtit wrote:

My issue was with the words 3000 guaranteed. I don't have any dictionary handy but think I know the meaning of the word guarantee, despite its considerable length.

To help you in your quest for knowledge, I suggest you speak to a law student and ask him to explain the cosmic mysteries which some refer to as 'Terms and Conditions'.

Failing this any 1st year Contract Law textbook will do.

Idoubtit

So you don't feel that having "€3000 guaranteed" written on a poster for a poker tournament and then a small "based on number of entries" written in tiny letters is bad form? What sort of guarantee is this? Surely the words possible €3000 based on number of entrants would be better? Am I the only one that feels this?

I'd also like to point out the fact that, to be technical, it is infact not legal to state something in an advertisement only to indicate to the contrary elsewhere in smaller writing. Might have to get the lawyer on the case

Spiritus

Idoubtit wrote:

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I'd also like to point out the fact that, to be technical, it is infact not legal to state something in an advertisement only to indicate to the contrary elsewhere in smaller writing. Might have to get the lawyer on the case

I would hope your grasp of mathematics is firmer than your understanding of commercial legalities.

In fact, to be technical, it is not only legal but required that any applicable T's & C's are made clear to prospective buyers/customers before acceptance of an offer takes place.

This requirement would, to my mind, be more than adequately fulfilled by printing these said T's & C's on the poster.

Next flimsy response please.

Idoubtit

I've since sought legal advice on the matter and have been told that according to the "The Sale Of Goods & Supply Of Services Act 1980" when it comes to guarantees, suppliers of services can restrict their liability by
writing exclusion clauses. However this is legally valid only if these clauses are brought to the consumer’s attention when the agreement to provide the service is made. When the ticket for this event was purchased no such effort was made to inform me.

Anyways in poker terms, which is all I mind about, its just a bit silly. Do you have connections to this society or something Spiritus?

Spiritus

Idoubtit wrote:

I've since sought legal advice on the matter and have been told that according to the "The Sale Of Goods & Supply Of Services Act 1980" when it comes to guarantees, suppliers of services can restrict their liability by
writing exclusion clauses. However this is legally valid only if these clauses are brought to the consumer’s attention when the agreement to provide the service is made...

Some reasonable effort has been made but could do better.

With a greater degree of diligence in your reading, you would no doubt have found that the poster constitutes the 'offer' part of the contract and by printing the relevant T's & C's on the same poster, the customer would be deemed to have had them brought to his attention.

I am employed by the Fitzwilliam Card Club.

Amaru

I'm loving that sig spiritus!

roryc

Ucd tourney is the worst tournament in Ireland.... They take well over half the prizefund for 'expenses', they follow NO rules whatsoever. They just make it up as they go along! The people who run it know less about poker than my fcuking arsehole...

I finished 13th out of 200 in the one and only tournament I ever played, a 20 euro rebuy. Rebought once and topped up.
Total spent : 60 euro
Prize for coming 13/200 : 50 euro

Go figure......


STAY AWAY FROM THIS TOURNAMENT ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Idoubtit

I've no issue with the Fitz, I think its a fine establishment. I appologise if I've given an impression that this isn't the case. However my problem was with the wording of the poster and I was not alone there.

roryc

I would agree wit ya! If I see 3K guaranteed, I want to see at least 3000 in the prizefund, REGARDLESS!

Idoubtit

Cheers for some support!

Yeh I played that 20 rebuy ucd ran last year. It was shocking, I heard there was a protest when they announced the prizes??? And the blind structure meant u had about 10 mins before you were blinded away.

roryc

Yeh it was just terrible. I couldn't believe how badly it was run. They messed up all the chip races, NONE of them knew the proper rules, it was just .... terrible.

There was now infamous hand where two players went all in, one turned over AA the other turned over.... a pair of fives....SUITED!!! The tournament director was called over and asked what THEY thought should happen! The player with fives wanted to play on because there was a bigger chance of him making a set with more fives in the deck!!!??????? And the TD was going to let this happen!! Honestly???

We did all protest at the end and I felt like throwing the 50euro back in their face. They were putting up the blinds every 10 mins so that we would finish up and leave. Absolute JOKE

Idoubtit

Haha yeh remember those suited fives alright, they said some packs got mixed up moving tables but there were plenty of rumours flying round that people had brought in their own cards and were cheating away. What a farce!

Culchie

Too much poker, not enough Spelling

youcantseeme

Ah they all do that. Mostly the pub tourneys...

OilBeefHooked2

Spiritus wrote:

Some reasonable effort has been made but could do better.

With a greater degree of diligence in your reading, you would no doubt have found that the poster constitutes the 'offer' part of the contract and by printing the relevant T's & C's on the same poster, the customer would be deemed to have had them brought to his attention.

I am employed by the Fitzwilliam Card Club.

You Sir! are a pompous git!:p

pom·pous adj.

1. Characterized by excessive self-esteem or exaggerated dignity; pretentious: pompous officials who enjoy giving orders.
2. Full of high-sounding phrases; bombastic: a pompous proclamation.
3. Chracterized by pomp or stately display; ceremonious: a pompous occasion.

Marq

As a student of Trinity College and a concientious card player, I would advise everybody to stay well clear of the tournaments organised by the Poker Society, usually held on mondays in the Buttery Restaurant. I have played their tournaments on a few occasions and noticed that the amount paid out corresponds in no way to the amount of prizemoney taken in. If, as has been suggested by the Original Poster, they simply took ten percent of the prize pool and did so up front with a registation fee, that would be fine, but from what I can see, the crowd that are running these tournaments are taking a couple of hundred for themselves each week, altough I can't be sure, I believe that over 30% of the money is being taken for the organisers.

For those that do not know, Trinity Poker Soc evolved from the ashes of the Card and Bridge Society two years ago with their first tournament taking place in the Buttery towards the end of the academic year 2002-03. All members pay an annual membership fee of 2 euro. As one of the larger societies in Trinity, they receive a grant from the Central Societies Committee. this grant would have amply covered the cost of the chips, decks of cards, dealer buttons etc that they use at their tournaments. The poker-soc has a good relationship with Trinity Ents, and the use of the Buttery restaurant is entirely free to them. Hence they have no associated costs and any money that they take from the prizepool is pure profit for those that are running these tournaments. When I made the final table of their first tournament this year, the organisers were buying a round of drinks for themselves from the money in the prizepool.

Participation in student societies in Trinity College is entirely voluntary. As someone who has devoted a lot of time and energy to certain societies in college for absolutely no monetary or materialistic reward, I find it disturbing that the Poker Society in Trinity profiteers from its members through the money they take from prizepools.

roryc

We helped set up our Poker Society in Griffith College, and we never once took ANY money from the prizefund, except sometimes for charity. The ENTIRE buy-in (no reg) went into the prizefund

Marq

As it should be.

Imposter

Marq,
Surely you should bring these concerns to the CSC!

Spiritus

david-k wrote:

You Sir! are a pompous git!:p[/LIST]

And you are an overly enthusiastic punctuator.

Dub13

I played the Trinity Poker Soc big game last year in The Gresham Hotel,it was a joke no transparency at all.

roryc

I played that aswell. JOPKE

OilBeefHooked2

Spiritus wrote:

And you are an overly enthusiastic punctuator.

that mayb so i can stop anytime but ull still be a pompous git;)

Spiritus

david-k wrote:

that mayb so i can stop anytime but ull still be a pompous git;)

*Sigh* Not only did you stop punctuating too soon, you also went for the obvious response.

This is too easy.

OilBeefHooked2

You obviously dont get it.

What part of 3k gaurenteed dont u get?

It doesn't say 2999 or 3001. it's 3k.

Now I dont know about you but I dont liked been ripped off and if says 3k and turns out to be less than that I consider that (as will most reasonable and sane people will) a rip off.

bohsman

david-k wrote:

You obviously dont get it.

What part of 3k gaurenteed dont u get?

It doesn't say 2999 or 3001. it's 3k.

Now I dont know about you but I dont liked been ripped off and if says 3k and turns out to be less than that I consider that (as will most reasonable and sane people will) a rip off.

Spiritus was TD on the day. AFAIK the price of rebuys was also lowered from 15 to 10 so surely that should count for something.

Pokerevents are now running similar adds - estimated pp of 60k or so based on x amount of runners but they knew they would get nowhere near that amount

OilBeefHooked2

bohsman wrote:

Spiritus was TD on the day. AFAIK the price of rebuys was also lowered from 15 to 10 so surely that should count for something.

Pokerevents are now running similar adds - estimated pp of 60k or so based on x amount of runners but they knew they would get nowhere near that amount

Ok fair enough advertise it as an estimated prize pool then, not gaurenteed. There is a difference you know?:rolleyes:

bohsman

david-k wrote:

Ok fair enough advertise it as an estimated prize pool then, not gaurenteed. There is a difference you know?:rolleyes:

I dealt the tournament for a few hours and tbh I had no idea that there was a guarantee. I do think that lowering the rebuys is a good enough reason to scrap the guarantee though