Superman Returns, Official Thread.

fade2black

The official site is up and the trailer is coming soon. It all looks sweet.

With this and the DVD re-release of Richard Donner's Superman II prepare to see Superman stuff EVERYWHERE in 2006. I'll be happy in a way, and sad that all my cool superman gear (caps, sweat shirts, key rings, t shirts etc) will be available in Michael Guineys.

Some fan trailers to get ya in the mood:

http://www.sbstudios.f2s.com/sy/sr_teaser.mov

http://www.mykepelly.com/SRTrailers.html

Goodshape

Question - is this new film starting the story from scratch or taking it from where the others left off?

I had presumed it was starting afresh but I think I read somewhere that they were setting it after the events of Superman 2... as in superman went away after that and then 'Returned' many years later as, erm, a younger person aparently.

Think I'd prefer a completely new story myself. This film will either be totally amazing or totally ****e anyway. No doubt the hype-machine will be in overdrive in the coming months, which never helps anything tbh.

fade2black

Going on from Superman II. I'm going to ignore every piece of crap that people say about it before it comes out. I've seen all of Bryan's Blogs, the film looks good and I'm quietly confident.

Goodshape

fade2black wrote:

Going on from Superman II.

I fail to see how that's going to work out, or why they would bother.

I'm sure (or at least I hope) somebody knows what they're doing. I still don't think there's been a better comic book adaptation that the original Superman movie.

fade2black

There's a story link on the website, check it out.

Goodshape

Yea, did so. Still doesn't really explain how or why they're considering it a continuation of the first two films (which most of their target audience is probably too young to have seen anyway) aside from giving SM something to do before having gone away.

If they're just using it as an excuse to forgo the creation and back story then fine by me; but otherwise, for one thing, almost every actor looks younger than their 1979 counterparts and this will now be Lex Luthors THIRD time battling superman. Not to mention the power in the style of the first film which I don't think is going to be easily replicated -- even Superman 2 did a dodgy enough job of that (not to mention the other sequels) and that was part directed by Richard Donner. Judging by Singer's previous films I don't think he's up to that perticular task (where as if it was totally new I wouldn't be wanting for it)

projectmayhem

omg official thread

The Free Man

woo! roll on June 30th:v:

missingtime

I was never the biggest fan of the Superman movies. Even when I was younger. Therefore I'm not too excited about this.

monkeyfudge

I'm glad they're doing it this way.

I need another Superman origin story like I need a hole in the head...

It looks like they will actually be tying it in quite closely to the old films seeing as how they have a dead Marlon Brando playing the part of Durel again.

Park Posey is in this isn't she? I like her...

fade2black

projectmayhem wrote:

omg official thread

Yeah baby!


The teaser is going out with the new Harry Potter flick

ixoy

Goodshape wrote:

Yea, did so. Still doesn't really explain how or why they're considering it a continuation of the first two films (which most of their target audience is probably too young to have seen anyway) aside from giving SM something to do before having gone away.

Well, from what I've heard, they're doing it this way because Superman I & II covered the origins and, currently, that's being covered in "Smallville". They don't want to contradict each other so much, so the movie's taking place after the current events in the series.

Kingp35

Im not too excited about this movie to be honest. Superman never really did it for me and he is probably my least favourite super hero. Ill prob still go see it but I wont be expecting much

The Free Man

bah. i just found out it wont be shown over here until 14th july.
http://wwws.warnerbros.co.uk/supermanreturns/countries/

BrookieD

ive watched all the singer blogs also and from them it all seems very good for the new film, I am getting the new DVD 4 film pack just released for my little boy as he is nuts on superman so all is good. :-)

Goodshape

The Free Man wrote:

bah. i just found out it wont be shown over here until 14th july.
http://wwws.warnerbros.co.uk/supermanreturns/countries/

Yea, pain in the arse living in the 'United Kingdom', inn't? :v:

..only two weeks though. not much of a big deal in fairness.

fade2black

The trailer will be online from 2:15 am this morning.

monkeyfudge

fade2black wrote:

The trailer will be online from 2:15 am this morning.

Oh cool... I'm so glad I subscribed to the official thread now... you just can't trust those unofficial threads to keep you up to date with the latest news...

fade2black

haha....hope that's only a hint of sarcasm..:D

fade2black

Ok

You can find it here

but there'll be a higher resolution available later on

monkeyfudge

All I get is a PDF when I click on that link...

methinks it doesn't like firefox...

fade2black

Sorry man....fixed it..tried to link directly to the trailer but didnt work...

monkeyfudge

Ah... I'm not too sure about this...

It all looks too heavily designed like Burton's Batman films.

I'd rather it kept the look of the original films and looked like it was set in the real world.... That Daily Planet building in the trailer certainly wouldn't look out of place in Burton's Gotham.

-Al-

BrookieD wrote:

ive watched all the singer blogs also and from them it all seems very good for the new film, I am getting the new DVD 4 film pack just released for my little boy as he is nuts on superman so all is good. :-)

there re-releasing the 4 set next year to go with SR, apparently richard donner is working on Superman 2, trying to reincorporate the scenes he filmed before he was fired. Supposedly a way better movie than what was released.

What did you think of the trailer?, I was expecting more, but the last shot is soo cool, was waiting to see it since the picture from one of the blogs

monkeyfudge: Singer is kinda going for a 40s style metropolis, even the fasion is very old looking, I think they wanted to have metropolis as a city and not New York acting as Met like in the original films.

fade2black

Windows media version.

Not a great trailer to be honest.

Some interesting convention footage here.

-Al-

link to the official:

http://supermanreturns.warnerbros.com/trailer.html

well as a trailer, its crap, as a teaser, I like it, and for me anywya, it teased.

Kingp35

Not much of a trailer really is it. Still dont think this movie will be up to much to be honest

madrab

yeah trailer looks kinda meh

pity about the whole heres how superman started off, doesnt make much sence considering its called superman returns, should be superman begins

The Free Man

madrab wrote:

doesnt make much sence considering its called superman returns, should be superman begins

yea thats strange. its supposed to be set after superman 2.
i like the trailer tbh, and its going to be a great film..

BrookieD

the boxset is out all ready, in HMV for 35ish yoyo's

Goodshape

hmm.. best thing about that trailer is the 30 year old score and voice over :-/

Not sure about this Brendon Roth geezer at all, he doesn't seem authoritative or even old enough. And I agree with monkeyfudge about the style.. the old films worked so well because they were so believable, not styalised at all, the only extraordinary element being Superman himself (well, alright, maybe that wasn't so much the case in the sequels, but I wouldn't rate them much at all)

Even the flapping of the cape looks a little ****.

Ah well, not much to go on I suppose. Really hope it isn't poo.

fade2black

Goodshape wrote:

hmm.. best thing about that trailer is the 30 year old score and voice over :-/

Not sure about this Brendon Roth geezer at all, he doesn't seem authoritative or even old enough. And I agree with monkeyfudge about the style.. the old films worked so well because they were so believable, not styalised at all, the only extraordinary element being Superman himself (well, alright, maybe that wasn't so much the case in the sequels, but I wouldn't rate them much at all)

Even the flapping of the cape looks a little ****.

Ah well, not much to go on I suppose. Really hope it isn't poo.

Agree with pretty much all of that.

With regards the boxset, the only problem with it is that it also contains part 3 & 4...which are particularly hard to watch due to the shockingly bad special effects and cringe worthy script.

monkeyfudge

Superman 3 had some pretty good effects.

The whole fight between Clark Kent and Superman was very well done for the time. I also thought Superman 3 was the darkest film in the series despite having so many comedy moments in it.

Number 4 had woeful special effects though... and what was up with Superman being able to repair the Great Wall of China by using laser beems from his eyes?

fade2black

It was particularly 4 I was talking about to be honest as I watched that again for the first time in years a few nights ago.

The rebuilding of the Great Wall....All the super imposing...continuity errors all over the place (in one shot Gene Hackman is talking but his lips are not moving)....Superman flying through the underground and no one even looks twice as he passes by..

As for the script....

"Don't do it...the people!!" Oh lord.

D-Generate

monkeyfudge wrote:

Superman 3 had some pretty good effects.

The woman getting sucked in to teh machine gave me the shivers. Freaking scary as a kid!!

madrab

i kinda like the 4th one, it was the third that never did anyhting for me

you expect a superhero to go up against a supervillian not a lucky nerd & a computer

-Al-

Just watched superman 3 last night, never actually seen it fully before, what was the deal with the ditzy blonde? shes dumb but every now and again shes smart, did I miss something?

fade2black

Good interview with Routh

http://www.iesb.net/videointerviews/brandonrouthggqt.php

Wacker

I know the teaser does not show much, but I do think it looks a bit too stylized, to echo some comments here. That was Burtons mistake (and to completely ignore the lore behind Batman). Nolan's smart move with Batman Begins was to make Gotham seem like the real world, and to give a real reason as to why a guy would dress up as a Bat to fight crime, instead of presenting a wacky city where such stuff would be expected.

The same approach should be used with Superman, in my opinion. The villian is Lex Luthor, a corrupt, powerful individual, not some sort of alien or demon or monster. So, Superman should be the only thing that makes Metropolis unlike other cities (its actually based on Toronto, just in case you cared).The realism of the world should emphasise the extraordinary central character, instead of trying to put it in a context where it would be expected.

shuushh

the teaser trailer is excellent but everytime i see a photo of him in the suit i cringe

Eglinton

I bought the box set at the weekend and I must say that Christopher Reeve looks as young as Routh in the first one. I think it's only because we grew up watching Reeve that we got accustomed to him looking older over the years and have this mental image of him seeming older because we were younger. The only thing I didn't like in the teaser were Routh's boots. Look a bit Nazi ish. Routh is 26 I think and Reeve was 26 when the first superman was made. Superman is supposed to be 30 if they go by the story in the original film. i.e. leaves at 18 and spends 12 years at the palace of solitude. Margot Kidder was 30 in the original so Bosworth is a good deal younger as Lois Lane but Kidder didn't look that old.

On another note. Anyone know when a longer trailer is coming out? It's only 6 months to release.

Eglinton

Here's a few more trailers of Superman returns. A few are obviously fan made. And some bits appear to be rough works by the production team themselves. Never the less there are some new scenes amongst them. Also a few bits are from the matrix rehashed for the hell of it by someone. There's a bit where missiles appear to be going around the world. This looks familiar. Anyone know if this is from the film or just added by a fan from something else?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLRI8Q8kIhY&search=superman%20returns


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZivrnTLE-C8&search=superman%20returns


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oNdGHU_kHU&search=superman%20returns

fade2black

Kudos for using the official thread

I quite like the Superman and Batman one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFu8oy_Mdkk&search=superman%20returns

aidan_walsh

Can anyone explain yet why there is so much new genesis footage being bandied about for this film, given that its supposed to be set after the last series (or so I gather)? Thats annoying me a little...

Vokes

IGN review

3.5/5

fade2black

The fans have been giving it 10/10 and that's enough for me. They're biased. I'm biased. Roll on July 18. (This Wednesday in the US)

lostexpectation

ooh saw the trailer on TV, the films palette doesn't seemto be red/yellow/blue but dark grey

fade2black

5 lovely red stars in this month's Empire.

quazzy

fade2black wrote:

5 lovely red stars in this month's Empire.

Hang on fade....

Is that the copy with the funky 3-d cover of Superman?

Cause I read it and I though it was a Preview of Superman Returns not a Review. I didn't see and 5 stars.

Am I missing something????

pearsquasher

Right this film was released in Sydney last week and i saw it yesterday.

First off let me say that i'm a real cynic when it comes to todays superhero films - x-men, spiderman, new batman etc, are all "meh" in my opinion with too much ironic self-referencing, totally crappy pace and one-liner cliched dialogue - ok Spiderman 1 was prety good. I never saw any clips for S-man Returns and didn't know what to expect at all.

10 out of 10!!!!

The story is tight with tons of room for new sequels but without throwing that in your face. The actors are great. Listen, no-one can replace Gene Hackman as Lex but jesus does Spacey do it well - and he's been wrecking my head recently and all. Just the right touch. Lois is a great female character with plenty of depth and her kid managed to not be like 99% of kids in movies and didn't make be cringe with dumb pretentious acting.. a very likeable chappy. Whoever that bloke is they got for Superman, my god does he look the part, both as Clark Kent and S-man. He's got Reeveness all over him but has his own iconic appeal too.

Yeh sure the sfx are great.. thats a given these days so i won't bother commenting further. I don't give a toss about them is the story's good anyway and it defintiely is a great story with so many angles, so many homages to the first 2 superman films without being too wink wink knowing or ironic. The pace moves along just right as well with never a dull moment and plenty of edge-of seat action and lots of suprises and just the right amount of laughs that aren't there to take the piss.

The general reviews are right - this ones a winner and it takes Hollywood a lot to impress me. About time. Enjoy!

digiman

I saw it last week and thought it was very good, I wouldn't give it 10/10 but maybe if I was generous I would give it a 9.
Your right about the kid, thought he was really good and some of the scenes he was in were brilliant. The special effects were all really good as well and there were some pretty funny as well, I watched it with a US audience which was strange, they seem to laugh at so much stuff that isn't all that funny and they all clapped at the end as well!!??
Overall a very good film and whatever you do, dont spoil it by watching some crappy version of the internet, you really need to see it on the big screen with all the sound as well.