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Sinn Fein/IRA members found with list of TDs

  • 19-11-2004 7:26pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,996 ✭✭✭✭


    According to an article in the Irish Time today, Niall Bennet and Kenneth Donohoe, both Dublin members of Sinn Fein have been convicted of IRA membership by the Special Crinimal Court. Theyll be sentenced on November 30th.

    Theres two point of interest - one is the trial set a precedent by being the first where the Judges examined secret Special Branch files on the two to see if the Gardai had a solid basis for believing they were IRA men. They agreed they did.

    The second point of interest is the fact that these men were arrested after the Gardai found men in a van in Corke Abbey with a sledgehammer, two pick axe handles, 8 bags of ties, radios, a black balaclava, rubber gloves and a yellow flurorescent Garda jacket. In another car with false number plates they found a stun gun, CS gas and a roll of black tape - your typical run of the mill vigilante/punishment squad by the sound of things. Even more interestingly a list of TDs, including 3 former justice ministers was found at Niall Bennets home.

    Now why the IRA, let alone upstanding members of the respectable Sinn Fein party, would be targetting politicians in the Republic is certainly a question that should be put to Mr Adams. The second question might be, if SF expels councillors for corruption as they trumpeted a few months back, how will they deal with members who bring the party into disrepute by engaging in membership of illegal organistions and general skullgduggery? Will they be expelled? Theyd need to be careful not to set a precedent, if they were to expel every member of terrorist organisation from their ranks they might end a membership of 6 or 7.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,314 ✭✭✭ionapaul


    As you know Sand (you've heard it on this forum before I know!), this proves nothing about the democratic and upstanding intentions of the Sinn Fein party. Those two were merely low-level members, loosely affiliated in fact, and certainly do not reflect the peace-loving socialists that the public have learned to trust and respect (Mary Lou, anyone?) - sure, did they even have beards? If not, they were not true Sinn Fein members! The way Sinn Fein is constantly attacked by *certain* members on this board, it just turns the stomach. Let's not get into the tired politics of accusations and blame, Sand...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,924 ✭✭✭Cork


    ionapaul wrote:
    Let's not get into the tired politics of accusations and blame, Sand...

    I 100% agree. I hope that the IRA will stop all activities.

    I wish both governments well in their attempts in getting the assembly up and running. Bertie + Tony have the patience of ST. Jude.

    What was it that Clinton said about drunks in a pub?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The second point of interest is the fact that these men were arrested after the Gardai found men in a van in Corke Abbey with a sledgehammer, two pick axe handles, 8 bags of ties, radios, a black balaclava, rubber gloves and a yellow flurorescent Garda jacket

    What where they doing with ties? Where they going around to every TD on the list robbing their ties?
    They robbed the flurorescent Garda Jacket from Micheal McDowell.

    Two Pick axe handles what happend the axe?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    ionapaul wrote:
    As you know Sand (you've heard it on this forum before I know!), this proves nothing about the democratic and upstanding intentions of the Sinn Fein party. Those two were merely low-level members, loosely affiliated in fact, and certainly do not reflect the peace-loving socialists that the public have learned to trust and respect (Mary Lou, anyone?) - sure, did they even have beards? If not, they were not true Sinn Fein members! The way Sinn Fein is constantly attacked by *certain* members on this board, it just turns the stomach. Let's not get into the tired politics of accusations and blame, Sand...

    ;)

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Meh


    Sand wrote:
    The second point of interest is the fact that these men were arrested after the Gardai found men in a van in Corke Abbey with a sledgehammer, two pick axe handles, 8 bags of ties, radios, a black balaclava, rubber gloves and a yellow flurorescent Garda jacket.
    This proves nothing. Clearly, these men were on a humanitarian mission of some sort, building an orphanage or possibly a home for sick puppies. And as for the TDs names, well obviously they were going to send them Christmas presents.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,924 ✭✭✭Cork


    Sand wrote:

    Now why the IRA, let alone upstanding members of the respectable Sinn Fein party, would be targetting politicians in the Republic is certainly a question that should be put to Mr Adams. The second question might be, if SF expels councillors for corruption as they trumpeted a few months back, how will they deal with members who bring the party into disrepute by engaging in membership of illegal organistions and general skullgduggery? Will they be expelled? Theyd need to be careful not to set a precedent, if they were to expel every member of terrorist organisation from their ranks they might end a membership of 6 or 7.

    SF were pretty quick in preading a bug (not of the legged variety) in front of worlds media.

    I hope that they will act with similar swiftness in relation to the above.

    Expelling every member of terrorist organisation from their ranks may indeed dent membership but I would far far rather see such people 100% committed to democratic politics.

    Not 35% or 88% however.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭daveirl


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Here's another source while the Tribune also leads with it.
    Sinn Fein in new IRA spy row
    Activists target southern politicians

    By Jim Cusack
    21 November 2004

    GARDA uncovered details of an IRA spy ring, when they raided the home of a Dublin Sinn Fein activist convicted of Provisional IRA membership, last week.

    Niall Bennett - believed by Gardai to be the IRA's head of intelligence in the city - had details of the movements and habits of senior government and opposition politicians.

    Among the figures being spied on was former Minister for Justice, John O'Donoghue.

    Bennett (35), from Faughart Road, Crumlin also had minutes of a Sinn Fein branch meeting, and is a key election worker for party's TD, Aengus O Snodaigh.

    There was no comment from Sinn Fein, last week, on Bennett's conviction at the Special Criminal Court in Dublin, along with Kenneth "Cakey" O Donohoe, of Tallaght.

    Both were convicted of IRA membership after the court heard gardai were led to their houses, after an attempt to hijack a container lorry outside Bray, Co Wicklow, on October 10, 2002.

    One of the cars used in the attempted robbery belonged to Donohoe, who gardai believed is a top IRA member in Dublin.

    After they raided his house, he was watched as he held a late-night meeting with Bennett.

    When detectives raided Bennett's house, they found a list containing the names of politicians, Dublin criminals and members of the INLA, living in Dublin.

    The IRA was spying on politicians apparently with the intention of digging dirt, gardai said.

    They followed politicians from Leinster House and made notes of where they drank and who they met.

    As well as the former Justice minister, the list included former Sports and Tourism Minister, Jim McDaid, from Donegal, who was undergoing marital difficulties at the time.

    The list of criminals found in the house was also believed to have been drawn up so the IRA could target figures, who refused to pay protection money, gardai believe.

    The IRA is believed to have shot dead at least five Dublin criminals, since 2002.

    Bennett and Donohoe are due for sentencing on November 30.

    The Court heard that both men were closely associated with a plot to hijack a container lorry outside Bray, on October 10, 2002.

    Five men were arrested in Bray, two of them dressed as gardai, and a third with a Garda fluorescent jacket.

    They also had an illegal stun gun, which can paralyse people with a massive static electric shock, a can of CS gas, a flashing blue light of the same kind used on Garda cars, balaclavas and cudgels.

    Gardai also found a baseball hat with the legend "Long Kesh" on it.

    It is believed the men were about to hijack a container of cigarettes, on its way to Dublin from Rosslare ferry port.

    A few days later Gardai raided Bennett's Crumlin home.

    They found a briefcase with a number of documents, including detailed notes with names, addresses and movements of politicians, criminals and members of the rival republican terror group, the INLA.

    The documents showed that the IRA was spying on the Justice Minister, Mr O'Donoghue, while he was enjoying a pint in a Rathgar pub.

    Committed to democracy all the way...

    Mike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,996 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    The sad thing is nothing will really happen - SF will just tough it out, their newfound support in the south didnt care that they were one half of the IRA last election, they wont care the next.

    And with talks in the north dangerously poised, Bertie wont do anything about it for fear the IRA return to what they know best.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,647 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Even more interestingly a list of TDs, including 3 former justice ministers was found at Niall Bennets home.
    Erm, public information. http://oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?m=m&CatID=&fn=%2Fdocuments%2Fmembers%2Fdisplay%2Easp%3FUserLang%3DEN%26ConstType%3D1%26mypage%3D1
    Niall Bennett - believed by Gardai to be the IRA's head of intelligence in the city - had details of the movements and habits of senior government and opposition politicians.
    Oddly only "Zero" gets mentioned.
    The IRA was spying on politicians apparently with the intention of digging dirt, gardai said.
    Among the figures being spied on was former Minister for Justice, John O'Donoghue.
    Are they suggesting "Zero" has something to hide?
    The documents showed that the IRA was spying on the Justice Minister, Mr O'Donoghue, while he was enjoying a pint in a Rathgar pub.
    This would appear to be the only specific allegation about following someone, it "smells" awfully blue.
    Bennett (35), from Faughart Road, Crumlin also had minutes of a Sinn Fein branch meeting
    :eek:
    When detectives raided Bennett's house, they found a list containing the names of politicians, Dublin criminals and members of the INLA, living in Dublin.
    Check the daily papers to be honest.
    They followed politicians from Leinster House and made notes of where they drank and who they met.
    Is the limit of dirt that can be found "X drinks with Y"? Maybe if I was a spy I'd follow people to other places and not just pubs.
    The IRA is believed to have shot dead at least five Dublin criminals, since 2002.
    Odd they don't mention names.
    Gardai also found a baseball hat with the legend "Long Kesh" on it.
    Isn't the universal term "baseball cap" - is this a sly attempt to make it look like "baseball bat"?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,314 ✭✭✭ionapaul


    Sand wrote:
    The sad thing is nothing will really happen - SF will just tough it out, their newfound support in the south didnt care that they were one half of the IRA last election, they wont care the next.

    And with talks in the north dangerously poised, Bertie wont do anything about it for fear the IRA return to what they know best.
    In a poll in today's Sunday Indo (a paper I admire for continuing to get the digs into the IRA / Shinners no matter what policy of appeasement the rest of the suits follow) showed the amazing (to me at least) level of support Sinn Fein draws on among voters aged 18-24. I imagine these young 'uns are the same ones out on the street demanding an end to the war in Iraq and calling the Allies 'terrorists'.
    Life is so funny sometimes, right on the line between tragedy and farce...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I imagine these young 'uns are the same ones out on the street demanding an end to the war in Iraq and calling the Allies 'terrorists'.
    Life is so funny sometimes, right on the line between tragedy and farce....

    Yes indeed another FF, FG and Labour sound bite on SF (all of whom come from that party, Did P DeRossa go to jail?)

    But then there is a slight difference I would assume with the British Army, the RUC, the UDA, the UDF, the political unionist establishment of the North and Sinn Fein and the IRA. Oh! wait they are all murderous scum bags except one side has the support of the British Empire.

    I personnally will vote SF next time round, I will also vote Green and Labour (Perhaps not in that order) only because I want the PD's out, please god labour don't let FG get in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 299 ✭✭7mountpleasant


    Sinn Fien/IRA goddam rebels without a clue


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,647 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Elmo wrote:
    Did P DeRossa go to jail?
    Wasn't he interned, not convicted?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Mighty_Mouse


    In a poll in today's Sunday Indo (a paper I admire for continuing to get the digs into the IRA / Shinners no matter what policy of appeasement the rest of the suits follow)
    Yes it right up there with boards.ie!!!

    Seriously though, does it not bother you that a leading broadsheet openly has set agendas on certain issues?e.g. Facts manipulated/invented etc ....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,314 ✭✭✭ionapaul


    Yes it right up there with boards.ie!!!

    Seriously though, does it not bother you that a leading broadsheet openly has set agendas on certain issues?e.g. Facts manipulated/invented etc ....
    Ha, I read it for the articles, I swear...:)

    I don't believe any broadsheet / tabloid / whatever can honestly claim they don't have an agenda of sorts. We find it easier to ignore this agenda when it matches our own!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭luckat


    Who's Zero, and why is s/he called that?

    Joking aside, this is pretty nasty stuff. I don't like anything that looks like vigilante groups, don't care if they're green or blue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Rock Climber


    Victor wrote:
    Erm, public information. http://oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?m=m&CatID=&fn=%2Fdocuments%2Fmembers%2Fdisplay%2Easp%3FUserLang%3DEN%26ConstType%3D1%26mypage%3D1

    This would appear to be the only specific allegation about following someone, it "smells" awfully blue.
    You forgot this bit...
    The Court heard that both men were closely associated with a plot to hijack a container lorry outside Bray, on October 10, 2002.Both were convicted of IRA membership after the court heard gardai were led to their houses, after an attempt to hijack a container lorry outside Bray, Co Wicklow, on October 10, 2002.
    ...They found a briefcase with a number of documents, including detailed notes with names, addresses and movements of politicians, criminals and members of the rival republican terror group, the INLA.
    It is believed the men were about to hijack a container of cigarettes, on its way to Dublin from Rosslare ferry port.
    According to the last word yesterday, the Judges asked to see the Garda file on the matter and that of the DPP.
    Yes it right up there with boards.ie!!!

    Seriously though, does it not bother you that a leading broadsheet openly has set agendas on certain issues?e.g. Facts manipulated/invented etc ....
    Funny that - no comment on the subject of the actual thread....
    Is it because this is actual proof of an SF/IRA link-god forbid...

    Aengus O' Snodaigh SF T.D was there all week supporting the accused.
    He was unavailable yesterday for comment either when contacted by the last word on Today FM
    Funny that no comment by the SF T.D...

    Seriously how could you expect me to vote for a party with connections to this sort of stuff?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    Yes it right up there with boards.ie!!!

    Seriously though, does it not bother you that a leading broadsheet openly has set agendas on certain issues?e.g. Facts manipulated/invented etc ....

    As Rock Climber said, interestingly no comment on the thread topic itself...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,959 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    Seriously how could you expect me to vote for a party with connections to this sort of stuff?

    I wouldn't :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,314 ✭✭✭ionapaul


    BuffyBot wrote:
    As Rock Climber said, interestingly no comment on the thread topic itself...
    Our typical IRA apologists aren't reading this thread anyhow...(they're over on one of the Burn in Hell America threads complaining about military oppression, the brave Iraqi insurgents and the horrible tragedy of civilian deaths)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Mighty_Mouse


    I don't know enough about this story but very quickly:
    It is believed the men were about to...
    Doesn't it seem a little odd that they didn't let the IRA men actually rob or attempt to rob the container? Instead they get charged with membership of an illegal organisation which hardly even exists!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭Nuttzz


    Instead they get charged with membership of an illegal organisation which hardly even exists!

    Really, well to quote Mr Adams "they havent gone away you know"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Rock Climber


    I don't know enough about this story but very quickly:
    Well you should inform yourself, about these things,you are coming up against posters here who have informed themselves.

    Yes, membership of the IRA is illegal and the judges(there were three) having had sight of the DPP's report and special branch files were convinced that these were IRA members.
    I find it curious that Angus O Snodaigh wasn't available for comment on the last word on Today FM yesterday.

    It's fairly obvious I think by the way from my posts that I am not a SF voter,I'm carefull with my vote.
    I do like some of their policies but a lot of them I don't and their association with this sort of stuff is a big NO NO for me.
    SF mep's joining the communist grouping in the European parliament didn't impress me either. They should come out and say they are communists when they are on the doorstep looking for votes and not be mis representing themselves as mere socialists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    Victor wrote:
    Isn't the universal term "baseball cap" - is this a sly attempt to make it look like "baseball bat"?

    Actually...that got me.....i assummed it said "bat". :o :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Our typical IRA apologists aren't reading this thread anyhow...(they're over on one of the Burn in Hell America threads complaining about military oppression, the brave Iraqi insurgents and the horrible tragedy of civilian deaths)

    I am not an IRA appoligist however I do find it highly annoying that everyone seem to think that the British Army/Government aren't as bad. Well they are worse. Do I really need to go into the history of the British Empire to prove to you that they are just as bad. It was wrong of britian to go to Iraq. Where are the Wepons Of Mass Destruction, where is bin laden?

    As far as I know the British Army, the RUC and Unionist Terriorist where involve in Dublin Monaghan Bombings.

    The UVF and UDA are still around just as much as the IRA.

    I didn't see very many of the Unionist leaders on the No To Racism march in Belfast, other then the Alliance Party. Where was Mr. Paisley?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Mighty_Mouse


    Well you should inform yourself, about these things,you are coming up against posters here who have informed themselves.
    OK Rockclimber, In your informed opinion...do you not find it a little strange that the gardai did not let them incriminate themselves in the robbery of a container? Instead they chose to arrest them "before" the "attempted" robbery and once again lose the opportunity to really nail the IRA on illegal activities? I just find it a little confusing. Please help?
    Yes, membership of the IRA is illegal
    Did I say different?
    It's fairly obvious I think by the way from my posts
    I agree you are usually obvious.
    SF mep's joining the communist grouping in the European parliament didn't impress me either. They should come out and say they are communists
    I refer you to your own statement about informing yourself on that one.

    oh and watch out for those dirty commies under your bed!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,314 ✭✭✭ionapaul


    Elmo wrote:
    The UVF and UDA are still around just as much as the IRA.

    I didn't see very many of the Unionist leaders on the No To Racism march in Belfast, other then the Alliance Party. Where was Mr. Paisley?

    Well, I can promise that should any political organisation serving as a cover for loyalist terrorists (such as the PUP) come to my door seeking votes, I will give them the same time and respect I give Sinn Fein. Happy?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Rock Climber


    OK Rockclimber, In your informed opinion...do you not find it a little strange that the gardai did not let them incriminate themselves in the robbery of a container?
    I cannot comment on the operational decisions of the Gardaí but they did charge and sustain a conviction on an illegal activity.
    Furthermore ,the Gardaí are by and large a reputable voice when it comes to knowing who is and isn't a law breaker.
    Thirdly given that, they did prevent a further crime.
    I refer you to your own statement about informing yourself on that one.
    Oh do tell, have they left the communist grouping, the one thats an exclusive grouping for all of Europes communist MEP's??
    oh and watch out for those dirty commies under your bed!
    The only two communist countries that are left, that I can think of off hand are Cuba and China, neither of which are pillars of freedom , justice and fairness(or countries of equals).
    There may be others in Africa and of course theres North Korea...
    Communism is a failed system that basically needs fear and terror to keep it going.
    Hmmmm fear and terror, that has a familiar ring to it...

    I reserve the right to be among the vast majority of the world that rejects communism.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭magpie


    I saw that Daithi Doolan in a hippy organic market on saturday. Good to see those peace loving Sinn Fein types out doing their shopping.

    Sure, they're basically the same as the Greens aren't they? They're just a party for 'young people' who are sick of the same old system. Of democracy. And no punishment beatings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭rien_du_tout


    SF mep's joining the communist grouping in the European parliament didn't impress me either. They should come out and say they are communists when they are on the doorstep looking for votes and not be mis representing themselves as mere socialists.

    Just to address this firstly, What party in Ireland actually tells us what grouping their in?? FF are linked to a post facist party in Italy, think they're gonna shout about that? Anyhow its not the same as saying what political party u belong to coz that might actually influence u in that u need their money and support to get elected. Dont think the communist grouping will be having much control over SF!

    Personally I find the fact that the items found were intended for criminal use or punishment beatings much more disturbing than whether they were popping in for a pint & keeping an eye on Mr. O'Donoghue! As people have already said the info they had is pretty freely available. No mention of whether the lists were hand written or from a website or something.

    I think SF shouldnt be afraid to get rid of those who commit crimes for personal gain or in the guise of republicanism. Spying on the otherhand is a useful political tool when done when legal grounds. Remember that "spy ring" in storment........ has anyone actually ever been convicted in relation to that? Not as far as I know. The SF members involved are then presumed innocent but this spy ring was blown out of all proportion to further the unionist cause and shut down the assembly.

    Since people seem to be telling us how they'll vote guess I should say I'm a SF voter but that would vote labour if I felt that they were moving away from socialist policies to be more populist.......which I believe will happen but hopefully after the united Ireland agenda has been completed.

    seán


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭shltter


    firstly I'am a republican

    this is why the IRA needs to disarm and dissolve other wise it will go the road of the stickies towards criminality and protection rackets and printing their own money or further down that road than they already are

    second having a list of politicians so what they were not targetting them to kill them
    just to see what they are up to
    this is done all over the world and i can gaurantee you Sinn Fein politicians are being followed and bugged and spied on we all know they are so what if they want to know about other politicians

    lastly surely we should not have people convicted of anything based on secret reports that they can not see or dispute I wouldn't fancy anyones chances in a court where the judge looks at a secret file then decides on your guilt


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭daveirl


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 275 ✭✭Hydrosylator


    As long as Sinn Féin exist, the gun will be a part of Irish politics. Anyone who beleives those within Sinn Féin don't know which of their members are also in the IRA is naive.

    They are an organisation which continues to profit from crime. Sinn Féin puts on the Gandhi face in public and in the media, but we all know that they are the public part of the same circle which includes the IRA and the RIRA. If you think Gerry Adams has no idea who was behind the Omagh bombing, you're a fool. Do you really think he has no idea? Do you really think he couldn't do anything about it if he wanted to?

    And just how rubbish the IRA/Sinn Féin really are has been demonstrated by how little hash they've been getting into the country lately. (drought)As we all know, this is a bunch of people who felt the pinch after 9/11, when Irish-americans realised what terrorists do. No more tins of cash going home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,959 ✭✭✭✭Villain



    They are an organisation which continues to profit from crime. Sinn Féin puts on the Gandhi face in public and in the media, but we all know that they are the public part of the same circle which includes the IRA and the RIRA. If you think Gerry Adams has no idea who was behind the Omagh bombing, you're a fool. Do you really think he has no idea? Do you really think he couldn't do anything about it if he wanted to?

    Any evidence to back those claims up?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,785 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    As long as Sinn Féin exist, the gun will be a part of Irish politics. Anyone who beleives those within Sinn Féin don't know which of their members are also in the IRA is naive.

    They are an organisation which continues to profit from crime. Sinn Féin puts on the Gandhi face in public and in the media, but we all know that they are the public part of the same circle which includes the IRA and the RIRA. If you think Gerry Adams has no idea who was behind the Omagh bombing, you're a fool. Do you really think he has no idea? Do you really think he couldn't do anything about it if he wanted to?

    And just how rubbish the IRA/Sinn Féin really are has been demonstrated by how little hash they've been getting into the country lately. (drought)As we all know, this is a bunch of people who felt the pinch after 9/11, when Irish-americans realised what terrorists do. No more tins of cash going home.


    Unsubstantiated rubbish. It is very easy to make up stuff and post it anonymously on the internet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,803 ✭✭✭Xterminator


    shltter wrote:
    lastly surely we should not have people convicted of anything based on secret reports that they can not see or dispute I wouldn't fancy anyones chances in a court where the judge looks at a secret file then decides on your guilt

    Funny thing about secret organisations like the IRA.

    They dont post their membership details and illegal activites on the web.
    Hence police must gain information by surveillance, infliltrating the groups, and by use of informants. And such activites must be kept partly secret as you cant expose your sources, if you want to continue to get useful intelligence on the groups in question.

    I'm sure the IRA would love to just have to look at the book of evidence, and see here the Guards get their information from.

    X


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭magpie


    Any evidence to back those claims up?

    IMC report?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,959 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    magpie wrote:
    IMC report?

    LOL
    where in the IMC report does it state SF's connect to the RIRA???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭magpie


    LOL
    where in the IMC report does it state SF's connect to the RIRA???

    So you admit that Sinn Fein and the IRA are connected?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,959 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    magpie wrote:
    So you admit that Sinn Fein and the IRA are connected?


    LOL

    Well if they weren't able to talk to them how would the Peace Process progress?? But being connected doesn't mean Gerry Adams is on the Army Council.

    So you agree that SF have no connection with the RIRA.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭magpie


    Do you drop your link to the trad forum when you're discussing Sinn Fein?

    As the Rira agus Rula Bula are a 'splinter group' from the IRA, it's unlikely that SF have any links with them, as Sinn Fein and the IRA are different facets of the same organisation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,959 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    magpie wrote:
    Do you drop your link to the trad forum when you're discussing Sinn Fein?

    As the Rira agus Rula Bula are a 'splinter group' from the IRA, it's unlikely that SF have any links with them, as Sinn Fein and the IRA are different facets of the same organisation.

    LOL

    No I just don't post my sig everytime I post in the same thread, saves space ; :D

    I have seen no evidence that connects SF to the RIRA if you have any feel free to post it :)

    Oh and heres my sig just for you (by the way it is posted in the other page of this thread)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭magpie


    I have seen no evidence that connects SF to the RIRA if you have any feel free to post it

    Erm, did you read what I just said? Here it is again.
    As the Rira agus Rula Bula are a 'splinter group' from the IRA, it's unlikely that SF have any links with them, as Sinn Fein and the IRA are different facets of the same organisation.

    Let me know if you want that as gaeilge :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,959 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    As what? :D

    Sorry read that in a hurry thought you said "it's NOT unlikely", glad we cleared that one up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Mighty_Mouse


    "unlikely" or "dont"?
    So you admit that Sinn Fein and the IRA are connected?
    Of course there are links!! I'm astounded ever time an anti-republican in here thinks they've found a stick to beat Sinn Fein supporters.

    I mean FFS Who said there wasn't? McLoughlin, Kelly, Ferris, etc all senior members of the IRA and now senior members of Sinn Fein.

    BUT before you jump and shout. Let me ask you: how else do you tackle a situation of hostility and war and move it towards a situation of peace without including the disaffected members of society?

    These guys have all now dedicated nearly 20 years each to completely reforming the republican movement as a political struggle and in the meantime become a party that in a tangible way brings other disaffected members of society into the political system ie poor and disadvantaged, travellers, refugees etc

    Sinn Fein is now a party which consists mainly of people who understand the frustration of unjust political representation and are actually sticking rigidly to their basic socialist principles.

    So apart from my obvious admiration for the current leaders of Sinn Fein answer the following, where would Northern Ireland be today without them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    From ionapaul
    Well, I can promise that should any political organisation serving as a cover for loyalist terrorists (such as the PUP) come to my door seeking votes, I will give them the same time and respect I give Sinn Fein. Happy?

    I assume from this u have great respect for Ian Palisley and Co.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,314 ✭✭✭ionapaul


    Elmo wrote:
    From ionapaul



    I assume from this u have great respect for Ian Palisley and Co.
    I honestly don't think about him or the DUP very much - they don't run candidates in the Republic of Ireland as far as I can tell. Never called to my door looking for votes in any case! Maybe I was out when they did...?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Mighty_Mouse


    Well, I can promise that should any political organisation serving as a cover for loyalist terrorists (such as the PUP) come to my door seeking votes, I will give them the same time and respect I give Sinn Fein. Happy?
    So you dont diffentiate between those organisations with lasting cease-fires, decommishing, full participation in political, peaceful talks and those organisations which do not?

    Again - what is your suggestion for ending hostility in a war zone?

    Dont talk to anybody involved?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭magpie


    Admittedly you do have to respect that the IRA has 'scaled down' it's activity to just carrying out its basic criminal tasks of robbery, extortion, counterfeiting and administering punishment beatings. That to me shows a clear determination to find a peaceful and democratic solution to the problems in the North. And, sure, they've got to do something for a living now the 'War' is over, and they can't all become MEPs.


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