Is my new Spec a bit expensive

jessy

Just wondering if anyone had €4000-5000 would they spend that much building a new machine.

I built up a nice spec on paper but its costing 4000+

Maybe im just been a Miser!!

Sunbeam Transformer Gaming ATX Case - Black (No PSU) (CA-011-SB)€109.51

Antec TrueControl 550 Watt ATX12 power supply w/ front control panel CA-018-AN) €134.80

Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP-939 nForce3 Ultra (Socket 939) Motherboard (MB-018-GI) €193.72

AMD Athlon FX55 (Socket 939) - Retail (CP-099-AM) €875.31

GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) PC3200 Value Dual Channel Kit CAS3 (GE2GB3200BDC) (MY-046-GL)€379.37

2 x Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA 8MB Cache - OEM (HD-015-WD) €357.27

2 x Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 10 NCQ 300GB 6B300SO SATA 16MB Cache - OEM (6B300S0) (HD-040-MD) €404.48

MSI NX6800 GT-TD256 GeForce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3 TV-Out/DVI (AGP) - Retail (GX-026-MS) €437.66

Sony SDM-S94 19" LCD Monitor - Black (MO-001-SO) €577.81

WaterChill KT03A-L20 Antarctica CPU Power Cooling Kit - 120mm Radiator/
Fan (03-L-5012) (WC-014-VP) €218.11

Creative Sound Blaster Audigy ZS Platinum Pro 7.1 - Retail (SC-018-CL) €219.55

2 x LG GSA-4120BB Dual Layer 12x DVD±RW ReWriter - OEM (CD-025-LG) €139.94

OcUK Value Floppy Drive - Black (HD-001-OK) €10.70

OcUK Value 1GB Removable USB2.0 Drive (MY-00O-OK) €101.08

So all i really asking is can someone build a cheaper one of the same power??

Lump

2 x Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA 8MB Cache - OEM (HD-015-WD) €357.27

That seems a little expensive, why not buy one 250 Gb drive, it'd work out cheaper and more space.


John

jessy

The 2 x 300gb hard drives will take care of the space, the raptor are for speed (Raid 0)

quarryman

Can you sell me some of the seeds to your money tree?

I'll give you the small change and a 25c Bus receipt in exchange.

jessy

Believe me mate I wish I had a money tree, but I don’t(will be paying this one back for many a year to come), this is a once off build for me. Just one of those thing on me list of thing to do.

ViperVenoM

im not very good in euros but with 4000-5000 euros ..what £3000!!..id be expecting dual 6800 ultras! tbh

Creamy Goodness

tbh 2gig's of ram is overkill

and what will you need 2 dvd burners for?

jessy

6800 ultras are a waist of money the gt's can be flashed to ultra.

jessy

Cremo wrote:

tbh 2gig's of ram is overkill

and what will you need 2 dvd burners for?

like i said mate i thinking ahead here, longhorn is out in the next 1.5 year.

BloodBath

Tbh I think you would be much better off with 1-1.5ghz of high performance ram instead of that cheap high latency stuff you listed there.

I think your crazy spending that much money on a pc as well. There wouldn't be a whole lot of performance difference between one of the new 90nm 3.2 a64's overclocked and a fx-55. Not enough to warrant spending an extra 600e anyway.

I'd drop the raptors as well. They aren't worth the price for the small performance difference in raid compared to those maxtors in raid. Not for the small amount of space you get.

Use the grand you save on illigal substances and cheap women. A lot more fun.


BloodBath

pickarooney

If you really think ahead, specs like that will cost you about a grand in a couple of years.

jessy

pickarooney wrote:

If you really think ahead, specs like that will cost you about a grand in a couple of years.

you could spend the rest of your life saying that, but the point is to have a top spec now not wait a couple of years and then buy an average spec

jessy

BloodBath wrote:

Tbh I think you would be much better off with 1-1.5ghz of high performance ram instead of that cheap high latency stuff you listed there.

I think your crazy spending that much money on a pc as well. There wouldn't be a whole lot of performance difference between one of the new 90nm 3.2 a64's overclocked and a fx-55. Not enough to warrant spending an extra 600e anyway.

I'd drop the raptors as well. They aren't worth the price for the small performance difference in raid compared to those maxtors in raid. Not for the small amount of space you get.

Use the grand you save on illigal substances and cheap women. A lot more fun.


BloodBath

was thinking about droping the raptor, but didnt realise the 90nm was so good.

secret_squirrel

I think you're mad you could get 90-95% of the horsepower for 60-75% of the cost.

I dont believe an FX-55 and watercooling is the way to go. For that price you could get watercooling and 2-3 Winchester (3000's or 3200's) (90nm) core A64's and test each one for maximum overclock - selling the ones that will overclock the least.

Ditto what bloodbath said for the ram. Get 1gig of top quality low latency stuff.

The Raptors are a waste of time too imho. Hell - you'd be better off putting a bigger raid-5 array together.

2 DVD burners???? are you really going to burn 2 things at the same time?

What does longhorn offer that requires 2 burners? Also bear in mind that bits are being dropped from longhorn left, right and center.

Also bear in mind even it you get your rig as shown - it will have lost at least half of its value in a years time whereas if you get a 3000/3200 you will be able to drop in a better quality 90nm cored athlon in a years time. Bear in mind the dual core a64's will be coming through next year. (not sure if they will be pin compatible tho) although the A64 was designed from the start with multiple cores in mind.

dubdvd

if its ahead of the pack today heres what id go for
http://systems.scan.co.uk/Systems/ConfigureSystem.ASP?SavedSystemID=&SystemID=102
for anyone out there who buys CUSTOM-PC MAG you will have seen this baby in the last issue
but now that i think of it ...this big steel block in front of me wasnt to far of the price that your talking about
but honestly i wont go for the case ,its a real boy-racer case ...if your going to be putting thode types of parts together you should put them into something a bit more classy and solid and as the lads have said no sooner will you have bought the 90mm amd chip and both intel and amd will have there dual-core 64bit chips out ..one thing i would do is stay away from the new intel 1066fbs chips they have turned out to be a flop ...would you argee bloodbath

pickarooney

Of course, but you should say that and not kid yourself that it's for future proofing. If you're the kind of person who has to have the absolute best (nothing at all wrong with that), then you'll be upgrading within a year.

jessy

secret_squirrel wrote:

What does longhorn offer that requires 2 burners? Also bear in mind that bits are being dropped from longhorn left, right and center.

noting i was talking about the RAM

secret_squirrel

jessy wrote:

cremo wrote:

tbh 2gig's of ram is overkill

and what will you need 2 dvd burners for?

like i said mate i thinking ahead here, longhorn is out in the next 1.5 year.

Sorry - your poor quoting skill confuzzled me

2 burners is still overkill for no good reason though.

Praetorian

Jessy you copied my old color scheme for my specs in your signature. I'm telling mommy!

secret_squirrel

dubdvd wrote:

if its ahead of the pack today heres what id go for
http://systems.scan.co.uk/Systems/ConfigureSystem.ASP?SavedSystemID=&SystemID=102

Again its complete overkill though - how many mainstream pc applications can take advantage of dual xeons? Very few - to be honest. Would also be interested to how much dual opterons would cost.

ViperVenoM

jessy wrote:

6800 ultras are a waist of money the gt's can be flashed to ultra.

i know..but i was just stating what id expect for that sort of cash

im not gonna to say 2 dvd burners are overkill though..ive got 3 :rolleyes:

jessy

secret_squirrel

i do have poor typing skills. but as for the 2 dvd burners, copying dvd's. insted of ripping the disk to you hard drive you can just copy it from the second dvd drive.

secret_squirrel

um- you only need a burner and a dvd-rom drive to do that?

And you're just greedy ViperVenom

jessy

the difference between a dvd rom and burner is minimum

in cost

jessy

dubdvd wrote:

but honestly i wont go for the case ,its a real boy-racer case ...if your going to be putting thode types of parts together you should put them into something a bit more classy and solid

what would you recommend?

ViperVenoM

secret_squirrel wrote:

um- you only need a burner and a dvd-rom drive to do that?

And you're just greedy ViperVenom

...3 dvd writers 2 dvd roms/cdrw and a cd writer ...and i only use 2 :rolleyes:

dubdvd

http://www.savrow.com/site/sr71.html
or maybe of the desktop range here
http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=english&Language_s=2&url_place=product_class_include&files=chassis.html
or maybe one of these ..
http://www.lian-li.com.tw/english/product.php?action=viewPrd
if you have ever had one of the above cases you will know that the quality and build of these are way above some of the tin cans out there with plastic flash faces cases

jessy

Ok here is the revised spec. Taken into consideration advice.


Akasa Eclipse-62 Aluminum Case (CA-005-AK) €133.91
Antec NeoPower 480W PSU (CA-022-AN) €126.71
Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP-939 nForce3 Ultra (Socket 939) Motherboard (MB-018-GI) €194.38
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Winchester 90nm (Socket 939) - Retail (CP-101-AM)€277.89
4x OCZ 512MB PC3200 Platinum Series EL-DDR CAS2 (MY-016-OC) €554.98
2x Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 10 NCQ 300GB 6B300SO SATA 16MB Cache - OEM (6B300S0) (HD-040-MD) €403.16
2x NEC ND3500 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter (Black) - OEM (CD-012-NE) €138.23
2x Western Digital Raptor 36.7GB 10,000RPM SATA 8MB Cache - OEM (HD-007-WD) €211.37
MSI NX6800 GT-TD256 GeForce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3 TV-Out/DVI (AGP) - Retail (GX-026-MS) €440.60
Samsung SM-910N 19" LCD Monitor - Silver (MO-011-SA) €466.52
WaterChill KT03A-L30 Antarctica CPU Ultra Extreme Cooling Kit - Triple 120mm Radiator/Fan (WC-016-VP)€296.61
Zalman Multi Fan Speed Controller ZM-MFC1 (OA-001-ZA) €34.56
4x Zalman ZMF1 80mm Silent Case fan - 3 pin (FG-000-ZA) €34.56
OcUK Value Floppy Drive - Black (HD-001-OK) €10.70
OcUK Value 1GB Removable USB2.0 Drive (MY-00O-OK) €101.80

TOTAL €3,313.49

jesus_thats_gre

Maybe im just been a Miser!!

I think your are an attention seeker, see below:

AMD Athlon FX55 (Socket 939) - Retail (CP-099-AM) €875.31

GeIL 2GB (2x1GB) PC3200 Value Dual Channel Kit CAS3 (GE2GB3200BDC) (MY-046-GL)€379.37

2 x Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA 8MB Cache - OEM (HD-015-WD) €357.27

2 x Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 10 NCQ 300GB 6B300SO SATA 16MB Cache - OEM (6B300S0) (HD-040-MD) €404.48

2 x LG GSA-4120BB Dual Layer 12x DVD±RW ReWriter - OEM (CD-025-LG) €139.94


The components are complete overkill. Why would you want 2 DVD burners being the most obvious.

jessy

Anyone who complains about overkill obviously doesn’t get the idea of this forum. Every thing we do hear is overkill.

As for why I have included 2 x DVD burners Read the Above post’s.

Woden

jessy wrote:

Ok here is the revised spec. Taken into consideration advice.


Akasa Eclipse-62 Aluminum Case (CA-005-AK) €133.91
Antec NeoPower 480W PSU (CA-022-AN) €126.71
Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP-939 nForce3 Ultra (Socket 939) Motherboard (MB-018-GI) €194.38
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Winchester 90nm (Socket 939) - Retail (CP-101-AM)€277.89
4x OCZ 512MB PC3200 Platinum Series EL-DDR CAS2 (MY-016-OC) €554.98
2x Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 10 NCQ 300GB 6B300SO SATA 16MB Cache - OEM (6B300S0) (HD-040-MD) €403.16
2x NEC ND3500 16x DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter (Black) - OEM (CD-012-NE) €138.23
2x Western Digital Raptor 36.7GB 10,000RPM SATA 8MB Cache - OEM (HD-007-WD) €211.37
MSI NX6800 GT-TD256 GeForce 6800 GT 256MB DDR3 TV-Out/DVI (AGP) - Retail (GX-026-MS) €440.60
Samsung SM-910N 19" LCD Monitor - Silver (MO-011-SA) €466.52
WaterChill KT03A-L30 Antarctica CPU Ultra Extreme Cooling Kit - Triple 120mm Radiator/Fan (WC-016-VP)€296.61
Zalman Multi Fan Speed Controller ZM-MFC1 (OA-001-ZA) €34.56
4x Zalman ZMF1 80mm Silent Case fan - 3 pin (FG-000-ZA) €34.56
OcUK Value Floppy Drive - Black (HD-001-OK) €10.70
OcUK Value 1GB Removable USB2.0 Drive (MY-00O-OK) €101.80

TOTAL €3,313.49

you really wanna be waiting for nforce 4 ultra boards and getting a sli system based on two 6800 GT's or whatever you have.

also there are other psu's worth looking into like the antec neopower which are completely modular like the ultra X-connect psu.

another point to note that dual dvd burners aren't always the way forward espcially off the same manufacturer. some drives are much better at reading than others my normal dvd drive for example hammers through safe disc protection as it supports fast skip error blocks while my writer doesn't the result being its better to rip with one and burn with the other. i wouldn't have this option if i had two indentical drives which is something to bare in mind

Azza

I have heard that the FX 55 uses strained silicon making it a better overclocker than previous FX's still very expensive though.

I would recommend the AMD 64 3500 Winchester your looking at on a water cooled rig your looking at coming very close to 3.0Ghz from to 2.2Ghz and over 3.0 Ghz on phase cooling. I've been told with phase cooling and a volt modded board huge overclocks are available.

If your gonna overclock avoid the Gigabyte motherboards. There usually feature leaden and realitively stable but very pricey and not great overclockers. My personal choice would be to wait a short while (week or two) and see if you can spot the new DFI 939 motherboard. If its anything like its 754 counterpart it will blow the other boards away. You only need to hold off another couple of weeks for sli to appear on boards and you could get two 6800 GT's for the near ultimate gaming experince.

Not a fan of maxtor hard drive would prefer Western Digital and Samsung. People are being a bit harsh on raptor drives when in truth they should be harsh on raid instead. One raptor on its own is fine. I can speak from experience two on raid 0 will earn you about 2-3% on average speed boost real world. Don't be lulled by benchmarks of raid 0 check out real world use's for it. Secondly the 36.7G raptors are generation I raptor and preform poorer than there 74G Raptor generation II.

Ram wise I would not bother with 2 gig's of ram as feck all applications or games need it. More over I believe running 2 Gigs of pc 3200 ram on AMD 64 motherboard will see the speed being reduced to 333mhz from 400mhz. I know a freind who has this problem and I believe its a common occurance on AMD 64 boards. More ram makes it harder to overclock also. Best AMD 64 ram on the market is the OCZ Enhanced bandwidth which at high voltage can reach much higher latencys and maintain its tight timings which are essential for AMD 64. Otherwise the OCZ Enhanced Latency Rev 2 comes runner up (but overall better when including non AMD 64 format) which has even tighter timings at stock and can reach insane speeds as 616mhz. Note though overall the higher the mhz speed the slacker the tightens get so the optimum is around 580mhz. Overall though the Enhanced bandwidth edges it. Note we are taking about voltages or around 3.1 and the only boards to do that without being modded are dfi.

Just wait a short peroid of time till say christmas and then make your move is my advice.
Damn a rig such as this would make my rigs look silly. I may have to retaliate with 2 SLI Rigs

jessy

Dataisgod wrote:

also there are other psu's worth looking into like the antec neopower which are completely modular like the ultra X-connect psu.

Is that not the PSU i selected?

as for the DVD burners you might have a point. although it dose depend on the quality of the harware.

Woden

jessy wrote:

Is that not the PSU i selected?

as for the DVD burners you might have a point. although it dose depend on the quality of the harware.

nah i'm thinking of this one the ultra X connect

http://thetechzone.com/?m=show&id=104 , which is like the neopower but completely modular

with regards to the dvd burners, the quality of the hardware and its read and write abilities is what you'll have to look into before purchasing. anandtech recently did a round up 16X dvd writers. think the nec might have come out on top. my advice would be to pick up one of these and then look at the small areas in which it is deficient and pick up another drive that covers these areas if you are intend on getting to.

otherwise look out for a toshiba dvd-rom, my one is a great reader

BloodBath

Not a fan of maxtor hard drive would prefer Western Digital and Samsung. People are being a bit harsh on raptor drives when in truth they should be harsh on raid instead. One raptor on its own is fine. I can speak from experience two on raid 0 will earn you about 2-3% on average speed boost real world. Don't be lulled by benchmarks of raid 0 check out real world use's for it. Secondly the 36.7G raptors are generation I raptor and preform poorer than there 74G Raptor generation II.

That's true, I wouldn't normally go for maxtors either but those particular drives perform nearly as good as 74gig raptors, have a lot more space and are cheaper.


BlooodBath

gline

€4000-5000 without phasechange??? thats a crazy price for a system. You could easily build a system with more power for less than that, if u bought a flight to the USA and bought the parts over there and brought them back. For 4000-5000 u could build 2 KICKASS systems. in answer to yourquestion "Is my new spec a bit expensive", simple answer is YES it definitly is

Kali

A dedicated RAID controller (PCI-X?) with 4 10k disks in RAID 5 would be a better option if you wanted to spend that amount of money.

gline

Kali wrote:

A dedicated RAID controller (PCI-X?) with 4 10k disks in RAID 5 would be a better option if you wanted to spend that amount of money.

cant u get 15k+ scsi drives

jessy

gline wrote:

€4000-5000 without phasechange??? thats a crazy price for a system. You could easily build a system with more power for less than that, if u bought a flight to the USA and bought the parts over there and brought them back. For 4000-5000 u could build 2 KICKASS systems. in answer to yourquestion "Is my new spec a bit expensive", simple answer is YES it definitly is

Why buy from America your just going to pay the difference in tax anyways.
Lots of people say it way to expensive but no one has attempted to put anything on paper yet, "You could easily build a system with more power for less" fair enough but where can I get these components for half the price.

Can someone build a better system for half the price, and if so can you post the spec here? Keep in mind that the current spec is ~€3200

gline

I said if u travelled to america and carried in the parts, u could get away with import tax. Put it this way , my rig roughly cost less then €1500 and thats paying import on some stuff

chump

I'm sure I'm missing the whole point of your spec being the best possible but would you not be better off spending maybe 1.5->2k, then popping the rest into some sort of high earning savings account and in a years time upgrade what you have, and the chances are it will money better spent as your pc will be top of the range for 2years running instead of overkill for one...

gline

A fair point

jessy

chump wrote:

I'm sure I'm missing the whole point of your spec being the best possible but would you not be better off spending maybe 1.5->2k, then popping the rest into some sort of high earning savings account and in a years time upgrade what you have, and the chances are it will money better spent as your pc will be top of the range for 2years running instead of overkill for one...

IMHO i dont think you can build a top spec compleat system for 1500 -2000.

What do you think is overkill in my spec?

BloodBath

IMHO i dont think you can build a top spec compleat system for 1500 -2000.

What do you think is overkill in my spec?

Without an lcd you can but your looking at around 600e-800e for a decent 19" lcd on top of that.


BloodBath

CivilServant

jessy wrote:

IMHO i dont think you can build a top spec compleat system for 1500 -2000.

What do you think is overkill in my spec?

Not at all. If you must have the WOW factor, then all you're missing now is a top of the line projector. Check out the one in my sig. I could cut you a deal if you're interested. Either way enjoy spending your megabucks! :cool:

gline

what good is a projector for a pc, the bulbs dont last long enough and they are expensive. If you use your pc a lot and for games a projector is no good for you unless your rich and can afford a supply of bulbs, hehehe.

jesus_thats_gre

Well a bulb can last up to 3000 hours.. Work it out.. Costs 300 quid to replace..

Dr Bolouswki

that floppy drive looks a bit overpriced - surely you could get an old one and paint it black?

gline

jesus_thats_gre wrote:

Well a bulb can last up to 3000 hours.. Work it out.. Costs 300 quid to replace..

€300 euro for a spare sony bulb??? where?? If u use your pc 8 hours a day its about a years usage, or 4 hours a day thats 2 years. A TFT would last how many years???? I just dont think projectors are practical for pcs, only good for odd usage, like watching films etc

jozi

gline wrote:

€300 euro for a spare sony bulb??? where?? If u use your pc 8 hours a day its about a years usage, or 4 hours a day thats 2 years. A TFT would last how many years???? I just dont think projectors are practical for pcs, only good for odd usage, like watching films etc

It will last longer then, more time to save for a new one!

Jozi

koneko

There's no such thing as a future proof PC. Spending 4-5k on a PC is madness. It'll all be obsolete in no time and you'll have to upgrade gfx, cpu, anyway.
The RAM is OTT, the CPU totally is, the only smart thing you did was choose a 6800GT over an ultra extreme super expensive edition.

A decent system with an Athlon 64, 6800GT, gig of RAM, that's all you need.