Pes4

Tellox

Two words - Extremly dissapointed.
I thought PES3 was fantastic. PES4 is doing my head in.
The "through ball" button has been replaced with a "smash as as far away from the intended player as possible, preferably into an opposing players feet/face, who is not even in the general direction of the intended recipient". So many times have I hit pass/through ball, and the ball would be played to a player of whom I really didnt want it to be passed to. In one situation, It was a two-on-two, And Keane was just in front of his marker, running in on goal. "A through ball and its slotting into the back of the net", I thought. But instead of passing it across the goalmouth into keanes feet, as intended, Duff instead decided to pelt it up towards the corner flag, where Finnan was standing. This is no rare occurance.

Many little bugs such as both teams appearing to wear the same kits when walking down the tunnel. If a shot is to hit the post/go even so much a centimetre wide, the keeper wont dive. Once or twice the ball ricocheted off the post, right into another players feet, and it was an easy goal which could have been prevented with the keeper running out and taking the ball into his hands.

The ball speed reminds me of fifa2004's. At times I thought a white sonic had made his way onto the pitch.

Looks like I'll be playing we:7i for the year. Dissapointing.

cregser

5 words - The best PES so far

If you hold down triangle (or X) when passing or through-passing, the pass will go beyond the nearest player and most likely to a player on the wing. If you are passing to a player who is close to you, a short tap is all that's necessary.

The shirt tunnel bug doesn't effect gameplay. The keeper AI is annoying and easy too fool with swerving shortish range free kicks.

I think the pace of the game is just fine and the ball physics are much improved over PES3.

Improved player animations make the game a joy to play. Also 6* difficulty offers a better challenger. PES4 on the Xbox should solve slowdown issues and Xbox Live with add new life to a game that never gets boring.

Goes to show one opinion is never enough

Dont be at yourself

Quick guys, get the van ready. We've got a deviant to round up.

Big Ears

Its troll I tells ya , its got to be.
I haven't played the game yet , im waiting for the pc version , it will be worth it in the end .

smemon

so, tellox, u reckon fifa 2005's better? im thinking of, well im getting one of these 2 titles, which you recommend?

im a fan of fifa, apart from the career mode thing which you cant play on after 5 years. plus no internationals anymore :mad: pes gives you more satisfaction when you score but just doesnt look good.

old trafford looks like old trafford on fifa, on pes it looks like a pancake old trafford made out of cardboard.

Boro

Well i played it, thought it was very much the same as PES3 at first. Only after playing it a couple of times did i notice how many of the little annoying things from PES3 had been fixed. The game feels a lot smoother and is a real joy to play.

10 thumbs up!

IrishMike

Fifa is better simple as that.
I have both and try as i might to be converted to pro evolution (having never
played any of the previous games) i cant see what the fuss is about
Neither are great games, both are average with fifa being slightly better imho.

Creamy Goodness

this debate happens every year when these two games come out.

if you're looking for realism in the means of names, stadiums and shirts then buy fifa.

if you're looking for better gameplay and looks like you're playing a football game go with PES.

Big Ears

IrishMike wrote:

Fifa is better simple as that.

What aspects of FIFA make it better ? .

Boro

As a mate of mine once told me, some people love fifa and are great at it, others love pes and are great at it. The two never get along

Its very rare that you will find someone who espouses the virtues of both games!

cregser

Boro wrote:

Its very rare that you will find someone who espouses the virtues of both games!

I know, em nobody. But I am a former FIFA loving convert. But my FIFA loving was caused by my ignorance of other football games. When I discovered PES I was like - "wow" :eek:.

Keyzer

IrishMike wrote:

Fifa is better simple as that.
I have both and try as i might to be converted to pro evolution (having never
played any of the previous games) i cant see what the fuss is about
Neither are great games, both are average with fifa being slightly better imho.

I have recently converted to pes from fifa.
I didn't like it in the beginning, because unbeknownst to me, I actually had to use my brain whilst playing instead of the game doing everything for me.
What converted me? I seen the goal gallerys on www.pesfan.com

Your post reminds me of how I was when I started playing pes, I didn't like it and stayed with fifa, then tried again and never looked back.

The stuff you can do and the goals you can score in pes are amazing.
The gameplay is fantastic and with the updated option files, which give proper kits and team names etc. licencing headaches are over.

Fifa is complete rubbish compared to pro evolution in my opinion - any true lover of the beautiful game, and player of footie games, will tell you that...

TheGreatOne

The gameplay is fantastic and with the updated option files, which give proper kits and team names etc. licencing headaches are over.

Whadda ya mean by updated option file and getting proper kits? How is this done?

Big Ears

TheGreatOne wrote:

Whadda ya mean by updated option file and getting proper kits? How is this done?

patches...............ever hear of them.

TheGreatOne

Well im talking about the PS2 version, since its the only one available right now.

cregser

You can get (unofficial) patches for the PS2 version with a modded PS2.

If you have Xport2 or MaxDrive for your PS2 then you can download save files onto your memory card that contain all the official jerseys and names.

Also, I believe there is a CD you can buy from games stores thats updates your save file.

TheGreatOne

cregser wrote:

You can get (unofficial) patches for the PS2 version with a modded PS2.

If you have Xport2 or MaxDrive for your PS2 then you can download save files onto your memory card that contain all the official jerseys and names.

Also, I believe there is a CD you can buy from games stores thats updates your save file.

cheers m8. I think the new ActionReplay is PES enabled, will save a lot of editing time.

mise

Have been a pro evo fan since the first one on the ps1, and I dont understand Fifa's attraction at all. Only got Pro Evo 4 yesterday so havent had the chance to play it much, but i like it so far. As with every new incarnation at first it seems that there's not a lot of difference but starting to notice little things which improve the game, like the injured players treated on the sidelines. Dont like the slowdown at corners when played at 60hz tho. PLaying it at 50hz solves it more or less. Crap music and presentation as well, but the gameplay as ever is incredible and the player animations are more realistic than ever.

TheGreatOne

Out of Interest, what is everybodies favourite unlockable classic team and classic player.

I'll start with Classic Holland and Dennis Irwin (jus cuz he's one of us).

omb0wyn5ehpij9

Best game i have ever played. Absolutely fantastic. The only thing i can fault it on is the keeper not diving as mentioned above, but there are so many fantastic features in it that i dont care about that keeper thing. I like the way this one is even more realistic, its much harder. You have to be more accurate and precise with your passing and shooting. I just LOVE it sooooooooooooooooooooooo much

Tellox

IrishMike wrote:

Fifa is better simple as that.
I have both and try as i might to be converted to pro evolution (having never
played any of the previous games) i cant see what the fuss is about
Neither are great games, both are average with fifa being slightly better imho.

No it is not, never has been,and I doubt it ever will be.
Although Im currently quite frustrated with pes4, I've played every fifa since the first one on the snes, and I can still say that the pes series kicks its ass each and every time.

misdog

If you don't like the PES4 logos, music, chants, stadiums, kits, player stats etc., get a Mod for your ps2 or even simpler a Swap Magic kit, download a patch of your choice (jonboys's 1.5->2.0 is the patch of choice) and with a little effort problem solved. In addition you can use an xport/max drive to update your option file as player transfers occur etc.

Def the best evolution yet, but then again if it ain't broke.....

Fifa better than PES? You've got to be joking...

Big Ears

Anyone remeber ISS Deluxe for the snes , now that was a game and a half .
I think it pretty much the same game as the first pro evo for the GBA .

sprinkles

Wha........ did I just hear.........no I couldn't have.............Pes 4?............ not as good as PES 3...............This is the devils work I tell ya!

I shall deal with you once I have finished beating up these FIFA lovers.

Makaveli

Pet hate number one, people who call the game PES. GRRRRRRRRRRR

Anyway, great game, better than 3 I must say.
Couple of niggling annoyances, as already mentioned the goalkeepers and their lack of diving. It's slightly infuriating. I also find the shots seriously lack power.
I still find it hard to score in the game, my biggest win so far was beating Mallorca 9-1 with Barcelona (only 3 stars mind), but I just find shooting to be a real chore.
Also, the little lob shots that I love, where you dink it over the keeper are much harder now, because for some reason I get loads of power in them even with the slightest tap of square.

After playing through La Liga on 3 stars, I'm going to move up to 5. 3 was too easy, 38 games won out of 38.

One other thing, I like the way you can edit teams straight off the bat again. That really pissed me off with 3, where you needed 10,000 PES points to be able to edit rosters.

ChumpStain

I haven't gone a day without playing it since I got it. Everything about this version is better than the last especially Master League. Another reason I love this game is the tournaments I've been having with my mates have been the most tense and fun ever. I think the difference between this and FIFA is that FIFA is the football watchers game ans Pro Evo is the football lovers game.

balkieb2002

Haven't played 4 yet but i presume its gonna be the same as winning eleven 8 (which i've been playing for last few months now), and imo its a defenite imporvement over the last version.

Just wondering though has the slowdown bug that plagued WE8 been removed? i was noticeable during kick-outs and corners (as lots of things going on screen)

for great patchs check out www.evo-web.co.uk

DRakE

the keeper not diving thing is realistic. if a keeper thinks its gonna go wide, sometimes he won't dive. simple as.

its a beautiful goal to score on someone when the keeper leaves it run wide, but it JUST creeps into the corner off the post...

LOVE IT.

Makaveli

Yeah, but it's not realistic for the ball to trickle up towards the goal and the goalkeeper remains rooted to the spot on the other side of the goal.

AthAnRi

Spent a some time playing the master league and I'm really impressed with the way young players attributes improve when you give them a few games. I also like the way you have to bring your players training to improve specific attributes and prevent them getting worse.

Haven't reall experimented with transfer market in the ML but have did buy Wayne Rooney.

By far and away the best enhancment in the game is the edit mode. We are currently in the process of creating a classic Rep Of Ireland Team, We have created the Old FAI Crest, The one they had for the 1990 world cup. Now all we have left to do is create the players. Here is the Line up I was thinking about

GK Bonnar, Kelly
Backs: Irwin(RB/LB), Hughton(LB), Staunton(LB/CB), Morris(RB), Beglin(RB), Moran(CB), Mcgrath(CB/CM), McCarthy(CB), O'Leary(CB)

Midfield: Houghton(RM), Sheedy(LM), Brady(CM), Whelan(CM), Galvin(LM), Giles(CM), Keane(CM)(1994-2003 Version of Keane)

Strikers: Quinn, Aldridge, Cascarinho(Keeping the spot warm for Robbie), Stapleton,

Any one have any other ideas.

cr1spy

Am I the only one that notices the brutal amount of slowdown whenever the ball is but into the box? Corners and goal-mouth scrambles are almost unplayable.

The ball also seems to ping around much more than before. A slight bounch sends it flying around the pitch.

I loved Pro Evo 3, but the only thing that really changed for the better is the through balls, and the player making more intelligent runs, especially overlapping fullbacks.

Not going to stop me playing it though

Big Ears

cr1spy wrote:

Am I the only one that notices the brutal amount of slowdown whenever the ball is but into the box? Corners and goal-mouth scrambles are almost unplayable.

Pro Evo 3 was like that when it was unpatched .

mise

If you play it at 50Hz there should be very little slowdown. Don't like the way the ball seems to bounce up so much after some tackles.

Raggamuffin

AthAnRi wrote:

Spent a some time playing the master league and I'm really impressed with the way young players attributes improve when you give them a few games. I also like the way you have to bring your players training to improve specific attributes and prevent them getting worse.

Haven't reall experimented with transfer market in the ML but have did buy Wayne Rooney.

By far and away the best enhancment in the game is the edit mode. We are currently in the process of creating a classic Rep Of Ireland Team, We have created the Old FAI Crest, The one they had for the 1990 world cup. Now all we have left to do is create the players. Here is the Line up I was thinking about

GK Bonnar, Kelly
Backs: Irwin(RB/LB), Hughton(LB), Staunton(LB/CB), Morris(RB), Beglin(RB), Moran(CB), Mcgrath(CB/CM), McCarthy(CB), O'Leary(CB)

Midfield: Houghton(RM), Sheedy(LM), Brady(CM), Whelan(CM), Galvin(LM), Giles(CM), Keane(CM)(1994-2003 Version of Keane)

Strikers: Quinn, Aldridge, Cascarinho(Keeping the spot warm for Robbie), Stapleton,

Any one have any other ideas.

Mick Mccarthy was very good in the day

Big Ears

Raggamuffin wrote:

Mick Mccarthy was very good in the day

Thats why he's part of AthAnRi's team .

kensutz

I have to say the XBOX version is way better than PS2 and with no slowdowns. Been playing it now for the past month or so and it's better.

Vokes

Love the revamp of the short pass (X), being able to short pass to players who are further away...its excellent for switching the ball to opposite sides of the pitch in an attack.

The overlapping fullbacks is a nice additon(about time too!).

Have to agree with Tellox, the 'through ball' is just.......awkward at the moment, in particular the 'floated through ball' seems to travel too high/far even for the good players (Zidane, Gerrard etc..). Hopefully, itll just take time to get used to as with the previous games.

Ive also noticed that a lot of the time i accidently make my keeper drop the ball at his feet, probably cos im holding R1, anyone else having that problem???

Everything about this version is better than the last especially Master League.

The menu system though is annoying me, just cancelling out of subsubmenu brings you all the way back to the main Master League menu. Only a little thing i know but still...
And the 'My "Best" Eleven' option is just a lineup/photo of the last 11 players you used.....useless really.

Still decent game - 8/10

LegacyUser

lads lads lads, i love the pro evo games. I loved up until pro 3. The constand handball pissed me off. I discovered the pc version, downloaded some patches! HOLY ****! What a game! Then came WE7:I and jesus christ, even more amazing.

Pro 4 is out of this world on pc. It is brilliant on ps2. PC wins though...

PS: Fifa series? Do not make me ****ing laugh!

cr1spy

Big Ears wrote:

Pro Evo 3 was like that when it was unpatched .

Pity there'll be no patch for the PS2 then

zAbbo

I've been playing the xbox pes4 game for around the last week, the gameplay beats we7:i

So Far its class, cant wait to mod it.

As we7:i for the pc, once modded is the greatest soccer game ever

Im_No_Superman

PES 4 is simply the best footie game on the market,end of argument!! Havent stopped playing it since i bought it 3 weeks ago!! Bring on PES 5!!!

IrishMike

Keyzer wrote:

I have recently converted to pes from fifa.
I didn't like it in the beginning, because unbeknownst to me, I actually had to use my brain whilst playing instead of the game doing everything for me.
What converted me? I seen the goal gallerys on www.pesfan.com

Your post reminds me of how I was when I started playing pes, I didn't like it and stayed with fifa, then tried again and never looked back.

The stuff you can do and the goals you can score in pes are amazing.
The gameplay is fantastic and with the updated option files, which give proper kits and team names etc. licencing headaches are over.

Fifa is complete rubbish compared to pro evolution in my opinion - any true lover of the beautiful game, and player of footie games, will tell you that...

after 3 weeks of playin it im here to eat my words, hat, shoes and whatever ye deem necessary
at first i didnt like pro evolution because of the shoddy graphics, seemingly
slow gameplay and mainly because i was so used to doin it the fifa way that
the controls etc felt awkward and uncomfortable
but i must say pro evolution has dept that fifa cant compare with
Ai is much better and player controls are so much better
they are more or less what makes or breaks a game like this not graphics or
the odd graphical glitch

TheGreatOne

IrishMike wrote:

after 3 weeks of playin it im here to eat my words, hat, shoes and whatever ye deem necessary
at first i didnt like pro evolution because of the shoddy graphics, seemingly
slow gameplay and mainly because i was so used to doin it the fifa way that
the controls etc felt awkward and uncomfortable
but i must say pro evolution has dept that fifa cant compare with
Ai is much better and player controls are so much better
they are more or less what makes or breaks a game like this not graphics or
the odd graphical glitch

Ahh yes, the Pro Evo virus has infected another soul. Makes me so happy.

Now go forth and spread your new wisdom like only a Pro Evo slave can

bush

Ive gone back to we 7i on ps2. Couldnt stick those ugly pitches

Raggamuffin

loved pro evolution 3 absolutely

could'nt gieva **** about licensed kits and players.

So many simple thigns wrong with this game...

namely the keepers.

pro evolution3 the keepers could be bad but tolerable and realistic...

pro evolution4 has keepers pulling off magical saves with superman reflexes but still watchs balls roll past him. HE DOES'NT EVEN DIVE.

Also the shots. Eh what happened? every shot i take just trails along the ground. Now it's just run into the box until stupid keeper comes out and then tap it to some other player and there ya go.

I'v had high score games in pro evo 3 but not until like a year playing it against friends. i think 6-6 was highest scoring. It was notorious for being hard to score in. Secondgame i play in pro evo 4 it was 9-7... ****s sake we were shaking our heads in dismay.

Somebody said Pro Evo was going down the road fifa is at right now and i'd have to agree. I've gone back to playing pro evo 3 even is the hand balls are annoying.

And one last thing to add.

How on earth could these people feck up a perfectly good game? i mean it only needed a quick change here and there and just upgrade the edit mode so we can change everything ourselves.

ah well.

Tusky

I much prefer pro evo 4 to 3....

misdog

Second game finished 9-7? On 5 stars? Best I have managed is 3-0 (mind you San Andreas may have something to do with that). If it is too easy try unlocking 6* level and playing on that. I tried with WE8 and barely had time to touch the ball before being closed down. I did manage to get the republic to the WC semi's (beatn by rooskies on peno's) which I did think was a little easy but there were a lot of players on top form.

IrishMike

ive been playin it for 2-3 weeks and i havent scored 3 goals in a 4 star game yet
how the hell did a game end up 9-7 ?

flogen

I personally don't like soccer. I watch international matches, but that's it really. I saw no need to play a soccer game, I figured I wouldn't like that either. During my time in Game Grafton st, people were always playing it on their lunch but I simply shrugged off any challenge... not my game.
Fast forward to the second year of college, and on a thursday we have a 4 hour gap in between classes. We also have a class member with a house around the corner from the college. He happens to have a PS2 and Pro Evo 3. We had a tournament. I fell in love. The end.

I cannot wait for the xbox release in 3 weeks time, I heard that the controls are going to be a bit dodgy due to only 2 shoulder buttons rather than 4, but in reality I cant see it being a huge problem, once you can speed up and change player with the 2 triggers.. the other buttons can be made the black and white ones or something. The graphics are bound to be much better, and with the xbox live I get with Halo 2 I'll be dancin'!

Does anyone think that you'll be able to download the real players and kits etc from xbox live, I assume you wouldnt be able to as it would still go against the licencing etc... youd have to get something unofficial

flogen

kensutz

The xbox controls are fairly easy to get to grips with if you have the controller s. I've been using it so far and it's simple, as for downloadable content... Nope there wont be any

Makaveli

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'v had high score games in pro evo 3 but not until like a year playing it against friends. i think 6-6 was highest scoring. It was notorious for being hard to score in. Secondgame i play in pro evo 4 it was 9-7... ****s sake we were shaking our heads in dismay.

Were you both really crap at the game?
I've never played a game where it's high scoring on both sides.