stupid guitar comment

Dothee

Hey, I know this is stupid because it most likely isn't invented but does any anyone know where i could get something like the picture where the neck cips on and off so its can fit in to like a small case. i think it would be so cool. As the picture showes i'm no michealangelo.
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my picture was fu'cked up when it was posted but the frist line of dots is the neck the next line is the body

bombidol

you want to take the neck off so it fits in a smaller case?

BaZmO*

Something similar here

B.

daram

Thats a terrible idea

D!ve^Bomb!

its not a ****in snooker cue ya know!

Doctor J

How the neck joins the body is the most important part of a guitar, it needs to be as stable and sturdy as possible. A detachable neck is just ****ing nuts TBH.

NeMiSiS

What I'd do if I were you would be saw the neck off, then nail a door hinge to it so you can fold the guitar.. but make sure it folds onto the face of the guitar..so the hinge will have to be on the fret board..so the strings don't snap ya know?

Glad to be of help !
Tom

Dothee

thanks to those who gave useful info. doctor j the risk is not it not being sturdy but it being warped

daram

Aaaaaaaaaaaaah. What a moron. Firstly, its all about sturdyness. Secondly, Dr. J knows more than 95% of the people who use this site about guitars, thirdly, the concept of a removable neck is ridiculous for many reasons 1) what happens to the strings (fold them I suppose) 2) the guitar would never stay in tune 3) the action would never be the same and would probably always be piss poor 4) the tone would be useless too. Fourthly, go **** yourself.

If you want to wreck an instrument feel free to bring a philips screwdriver with you everywhere you go and you can simply unscrew the four giant screws which hold the neck on on most guitars.

Giblet

Dothee wrote:

thanks to those who gave useful info. doctor j are u special the risk is not it not being sturdy but it being warped soo since u don't know what your on about keep ur info to urself

Please:

(a) Learn the proper use of grammar and punctuation in your posts.
(b) Stop flaming people trying to give you advice.

It's a bit stupid to be looking for advice, and when somebody gives you it, you mock them.

Unless you want to remove the strings every time you want to "fold" your guitar up, and also risk ruining the neck forever, I would say consider getting a bigger case so you don't have to resort to being a retard.

What exactly do you think would happen if you failed to secure the neck exactly how it was before, then applied the ~19lbs of pressure per string on the neck. I have a good idea.

Doctor J

Dothee wrote:

thanks to those who gave useful info. doctor j are u special the risk is not it not being sturdy but it being warped soo since u don't know what your on about keep ur info to urself

Don't ask questions if you don't want to hear answers.

Dothee

(this is to daram)I was talking to doctor j not u .I'll answer your comments in order.
1) as nemisis said "What I'd do if I were you would be saw the neck off, then nail a door hinge to it so you can fold the guitar.. but make sure it folds onto the face of the guitar..so the hinge will have to be on the fret board..so the strings don't snap ya know?"
2)I not a lazy like u i dont mind giving them a QUICK tune thats all it would be is a QUICK tune.
3)we will see when or if i do this
4) probably soo, but not if i line the neck up perfectly
ur acting like u know it all e.g philips head screw drivers dont fit them screws.
Can we end all the negative comments now. ur on my ignore list now daram. so dont bother replying to this
thanks
david

Dothee

sorry doctor j i was being an asshole wasnt in a good mood

Doctor J

David,

let me first eliminate any lingering doubts you may have about this being a stupid question, as evidenced in your subject. Yes, yes it is a stupid question as even the most basic grasp of the physics involved in guitar playing should indicate. You seem to think a warping neck might be the problem, however I would suggest you consider the forces involved on a neck and especially the neck joint, potentially the weakest point if not well designed and intensely securely fastened. You may want to think about why Ernie Ball guitars have 6 philips screws to fasten the neck to the body. That's right, I said philips screws.

Secondly, Nemisis was taking the piss. I would have thought it so obvious as to not need a

If you do this we will all see, the tragedy is you may not. I imagine a guitar neck in the eye to be quite detrimental to one's vision.

Never underestimate just how precise neck pockets have to be to be aligned. Consider also that every time you remove the neck you are making it slightly less snug the next time the neck is inserted. If the neck is even a degree or two out of line the strings will hang off the side of the neck. There are many players who won't ever reomve the neck from a guitar so as not to disturb the seating of the neck and body. Consider also the horrific ramifications to the acoustic quality of the instrument, ie there wouldn't be any acoustic quality, sustain, tone, etc etc etc

There are so many points to be made and so many valid points already made by the others here. We're all just trying to help but responding in such a cretinous manner does no-one any good, especially you. Anyway, have a nice life and be sure to give generously to Guide Dogs For The Blind while you can still see the collection can. If you choose to put up another question I suggest you spend a bit of time on spelling and grammar, so as we may at least have some idea as to what is is you seek to know. I would also suggest if you have a problem with people taking the piss out of stupid questions, then don't ask stupid questions. Bye Bye!

SirLemonhead

Tbh, you want to use velcro rather than a door hinge.

Door hinge...the advice some of you lot give around here :rolleyes:

Dothee

i just said sorry didnt u c. fu'ck sake some postive info would be nice as i beg to differ about it being impossible.will keep everyone posted about it being impossible. About the spelling i have dyslexia

Giblet

Of course it's possible, door hinge and all. It just isn't a good idea.

SirLemonhead

It's not impossible, it's just a stupid idea. Really stupid.

FX Meister

How about sawing the body in half to so that part also folds over on itself making the guitar half it's height?

Dothee

thats a really good idea. Thanks

SirLemonhead

What makes you think it's possible to make a decent playing instrument yourself with a removable neck?

feylya

And now is time for me to disagree with people.

You CAN get a mod done to your guitar that place metal inserts into the neck where the screws normally go. Machine screws then replace the normal wood screws. This is for the very reason that's been asked.

The problem of the strings and the replacement of the neck (intonation, action, etc) still remains.

SirLemonhead

We know it can be done, it's just not worth it because of the action and intonation, and tuning problems.

feylya

Just get a headless Steinberger

NeMiSiS

DoctorJ ?! What the **** makes you think I was taking the piss about the door hinge ? I modded my Les Paul like that, I have also removed the insides of my speakers of my amp for easier folding storage, I got a Stanley knife at them like and cut out that part they call the 'diaphragm' .. even that word sounds dirty to be honest, now all thats left is the magents !

For my next mod I am gonna completly hollow through my guitar, like an acoustic ya know, but so that you can see straight through it.

Tom

Giblet

NeMiSiS wrote:

DoctorJ ?! What the **** makes you think I was taking the piss about the door hinge ? I modded my Les Paul like that, I have also removed the insides of my speakers of my amp for easier folding storage, I got a Stanley knife at them like and cut out that part they call the 'diaphragm' .. even that word sounds dirty to be honest, now all thats left is the magents !

For my next mod I am gonna completly hollow through my guitar, like an acoustic ya know, but so that you can see straight through it.

Tom

Does he ever stop modding, only last week he removed that annoying crunch channel from his TSL, it kept getting turned on while he was playing in the local church. The locals said they never heard the devil before until that crunch channel came on during 'Jesus don't want me for a Sunbeam" but they all helped with the exorcism.

NeMiSiS

I'm high on Jesus



And Marshall

Giblet

Oh my, I can see my little amp in the background!

feylya

You should drill some holes in between the speakers. How else is the sound supposed to get out???

RicardoSmith

You don't need to fold it. You can buy small travel quitars. Folding is solving a problem that doesn't exist.

Giblet

feylya wrote:

You should drill some holes in between the speakers. How else is the sound supposed to get out???

I do that to my head, that's how the evil thoughts get out.

daram

How about just not playing the guitar because you clearly havent the intelligence too....

Im not gonna bother replying properly because im on his ignore list. Hmm.

HusseinSarhan

Doctor J wrote:

David,

let me first eliminate any lingering doubts you may have about this being a stupid question, as evidenced in your subject. Yes, yes it is a stupid question as even the most basic grasp of the physics involved in guitar playing should indicate. You seem to think a warping neck might be the problem, however I would suggest you consider the forces involved on a neck and especially the neck joint, potentially the weakest point if not well designed and intensely securely fastened. You may want to think about why Ernie Ball guitars have 6 philips screws to fasten the neck to the body. That's right, I said philips screws.

Hi everyone,

I believe that that is a very arrogant response to a genuine question. Why is the question stupid? He's asking because he does not know. Not knowing something is not a measure of stupidity. Detachable neck guitars are in existance. Steinberger developed one! To me you sound like the typical guitar forum "guru". Knows it all...... has a "reputation" to uphold on the board......a tonemonger :rolleyes: . Sorry if I sound rude, I dont mean to be. It's just my opinion on your recent posts (not you personally).

By the way a neck joint is FAR stronger than the join at the back of a headstock.

Also, why would a detachable neck neccesarily sound bad. If engineered well it would be perfectly stable. I agree with you on the fact that a neck joint is crucial, but I dont understand why you can negate the opinion that a detachable neck guitar can fail to have a great neck join.

Someone also mentioned that such a neck joint would mean a poor action and intonation. How? I'm open to suggestion on this debate. I have no experience in building a detachable neck guitar so I'm not an expert and can't negate any opinion without the experience. I just dont see the immediate downfall if it was engineered to be tight and secure. Seems odd the way people just dismiss it because they assume it will be badly made. A badly set neck on an ordinary set neck guitar would sound awfull too.

The idea of a hinged neck is ok. There is no reason to slag it. It just seems a little bit over the top for the basic need of transport. Still not a "stupid" idea if exectued correctly! You would not get thetradtional guitar tone (bolt on / set in) but thats besides the point. It would actually incur less energy loss if the thing was made out of sa, metal or graphite and made tight and rigid also.

I'd like to hear opinions on this, could be a good debate so shelve the egos for now. I do not want to start an argument. So P.M. me if anyone has a problem with my comments specifically.

Bye for now,

feylya

HusseinSarhan wrote:

Someone also mentioned that such a neck joint would mean a poor action and intonation. How?

It's oh so very very simple. When a guitar is set up, it is set up in the state that it's in ie the moisture content, heat and stress of the wood is at more of less a constant. You take the neck off. What's gonna happen to the wood in the heel and neck pocket? Yup, it's gonna readjust itself a bit.

Now, if the wood doesn't adjust itself (and it more than likely will), the screws and holes in the body and neck are not accurately machined to thousanths of an inch. They're more or less slapped in (obviously this various on where the guitar was made). When the guitar is put back together, the neck will not be in the same position, no matter how well routed the neck pocket is. You will not be able to just tune to pitch and expect the guitar to sound and feel the exact same.

HusseinSarhan

feylya wrote:

It's oh so very very simple. When a guitar is set up, it is set up in the state that it's in ie the moisture content, heat and stress of the wood is at more of less a constant. You take the neck off. What's gonna happen to the wood in the heel and neck pocket? Yup, it's gonna readjust itself a bit.

Now, if the wood doesn't adjust itself (and it more than likely will), the screws and holes in the body and neck are not accurately machined to thousanths of an inch. They're more or less slapped in (obviously this various on where the guitar was made). When the guitar is put back together, the neck will not be in the same position, no matter how well routed the neck pocket is. You will not be able to just tune to pitch and expect the guitar to sound and feel the exact same.

Yeah, I forgot to mention it! That area would be made out of metal/graphite or someting like that. A wooden model would have to be sealed in order to avoid humidity problems, naturally. Shaping wood to that accuracy would be very impractical also (I mean now metal insert you metioned earlier for screw etc. So yeah you are right there , wood is impractical. I said Steinberger in my post earlier on so I (somehow :rolleyes: ) thought you might have reckoned I'd be talking new age materials here. I should have metioned that really.


P.S. I think that the fella in his origional post said that his may be a "stupid question" tounge-in-cheek really. I might well be wrong.

P.P.S. You saw the Tele on Chrisguitars then no? It's got metal inserts for the neck bolt. What a great selection of guitars he has.

RicardoSmith

You can buy travel quitars that fit in a case. They have no head, no body etc and a reduced scale neck. Theres no need to have all the hassle of folding the neck and all the complexity that creates.

Dothee

Hey thanks for info, but look i really want to know if it can be done yes no answer I know its going to be no fender strat. Also anyone know a website with pics and info on the stienberger.

feylya

http://www.gibson.com/products/steinberger.html

RicardoSmith

http://www.stewartguitars.com/stowaway.htm
http://www.twanger.com/level.itml/icOid/28
http://www.penoka.com/guitars__hohner_headless.htm
http://www.edromanguitars.com/featured/headless.htm

RicardoSmith

feylya wrote:

http://www.gibson.com/products/steinberger.html

http://www.musicyo.com/brandpos.asp?dept_id=3&Series=GT-PRO%20Series

These are the smaller ones, Hohner did a copy.

HusseinSarhan

The stowaway looks fantastic. A real stupid question eh?

Doctor J

HusseinSarhan wrote:

I believe that that is a very arrogant response to a genuine question. Why is the question stupid? He's asking because he does not know. Not knowing something is not a measure of stupidity. Detachable neck guitars are in existance. Steinberger developed one! To me you sound like the typical guitar forum "guru". Knows it all...... has a "reputation" to uphold on the board......a tonemonger :rolleyes: . Sorry if I sound rude, I dont mean to be. It's just my opinion on your recent posts (not you personally).

By the way a neck joint is FAR stronger than the join at the back of a headstock.

Also, why would a detachable neck neccesarily sound bad. If engineered well it would be perfectly stable. I agree with you on the fact that a neck joint is crucial, but I dont understand why you can negate the opinion that a detachable neck guitar can fail to have a great neck join.

Someone also mentioned that such a neck joint would mean a poor action and intonation. How? I'm open to suggestion on this debate. I have no experience in building a detachable neck guitar so I'm not an expert and can't negate any opinion without the experience. I just dont see the immediate downfall if it was engineered to be tight and secure. Seems odd the way people just dismiss it because they assume it will be badly made. A badly set neck on an ordinary set neck guitar would sound awfull too.

The idea of a hinged neck is ok. There is no reason to slag it. It just seems a little bit over the top for the basic need of transport. Still not a "stupid" idea if exectued correctly! You would not get thetradtional guitar tone (bolt on / set in) but thats besides the point. It would actually incur less energy loss if the thing was made out of sa, metal or graphite and made tight and rigid also.

I'd like to hear opinions on this, could be a good debate so shelve the egos for now. I do not want to start an argument. So P.M. me if anyone has a problem with my comments specifically.

Bye for now,

Hussein,

if you read the posts again you will see that some of the remarks made by the originator of the question have been edited to remove the personal abuse directed by him at me and at other "gurus" who initially tried to help, if someone asks a question they generally receive an answer. I am not a guru nor do I give a damn about any reputation on a website full of typists I do not know. Please try to assume less, unless you plan to go back through all my posts and get the full picture of my contributions to this site. If my response is a little blunt it is because I don't appreciate people who ask questions and then respond with abuse when they're given an answer. I see no need for me to be sunshine and lollypos to people who direct personal abuse my way when I try to help them. I hope this clears that up.

I believe, and will always believe, that a detachable neck is a stupid idea for many reasons, but principally because it would involve replacing the strings every time the neck was detached and would be more touble than it is worth, and prohibitively expensive to your average guitarist at the sacrifice of tone and if you sound **** then what's the point? Plus, any manufacturer is opening themselves to immense litigation is their clip/bolt/whatever does not seat correctly and the musician gets injured by the neck being pulled forward swiftly by the pull of taut strings. Even if the musician is at fault for not seating the parts correctly, the manufacturer can be found liable for not designing a totally safe system and that, I believe, is the main reason it is a stupid idea. This is my opinion, no guruism here, just trying to explain the way I think about this subject. I hope this doesn't make you uncomfortable.

Edit -> Besides, Chiquita guitars have been around as long as I've been playing, they seem to fit the travel bill quite well wouldn't you say http://www.guitarnotes.com/links/rgoto.cgi?query=1499&sort=chiquita&title=Chiquita+Travel+Guitar&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmembers.aol.com%2Fchiquitatg%2Findex.html&rank=2.0&rnum=0

RicardoSmith

Ironically most mass produced quitars, the broadcaster being the first, all have bolt on necks. Only through neck designs, such as gibsons, which you could consider to use a more traditional design don't. So any arguments about tone and sound quality or even safety are not really drawbacks to such a design. The only real draw back is the inconvenince of restringing the guitar. But then a lot of guitarists would restring their quitars on a regular basis. So thats not a big deal either. The main point is that where would you be, that you need to fold a guitar. In a car, or bus, or train or board or plane you can carry a full sized guitar easily.

So where would you be that you need to fold one up? It has to be a tiny market, which would explain why so few exist.

Dothee

Doctor J wrote:

David,

let me first eliminate any lingering doubts you may have about this being a stupid question, as evidenced in your subject. Yes, yes it is a stupid question as even the most basic grasp of the physics involved in guitar playing should indicate. You seem to think a warping neck might be the problem, however I would suggest you consider the forces involved on a neck and especially the neck joint, potentially the weakest point if not well designed and intensely securely fastened. You may want to think about why Ernie Ball guitars have 6 philips screws to fasten the neck to the body. That's right, I said philips screws.

Secondly, Nemisis was taking the piss. I would have thought it so obvious as to not need a

If you do this we will all see, the tragedy is you may not. I imagine a guitar neck in the eye to be quite detrimental to one's vision.

Never underestimate just how precise neck pockets have to be to be aligned. Consider also that every time you remove the neck you are making it slightly less snug the next time the neck is inserted. If the neck is even a degree or two out of line the strings will hang off the side of the neck. There are many players who won't ever reomve the neck from a guitar so as not to disturb the seating of the neck and body. Consider also the horrific ramifications to the acoustic quality of the instrument, ie there wouldn't be any acoustic quality, sustain, tone, etc etc etc

There are so many points to be made and so many valid points already made by the others here. We're all just trying to help but responding in such a cretinous manner does no-one any good, especially you. Anyway, have a nice life and be sure to give generously to Guide Dogs For The Blind while you can still see the collection can. If you choose to put up another question I suggest you spend a bit of time on spelling and grammar, so as we may at least have some idea as to what is is you seek to know. I would also suggest if you have a problem with people taking the piss out of stupid questions, then don't ask stupid questions. Bye Bye!

This post was made after i said sorry and deleted my previous posts which contain abuse becaus some were talking the piss yet doctor j u continued to hurl abuse in above post. I thought u might have left it after i said sorry.

Doctor J

Nope, I didn't see your apology until after I had written that, what I had seen was your abuse directed towards me and then your insults to daram. I only saw your apology after I had posted that. Your conduct was unacceptable, you just unleashed a series of petty insults unjustifiably.

These flaming sessions go nowhere and acheive nothing. Shall we drop the matter?

Dothee

ok, but i did say sorry before you wrote ur posts if you go back u will see it to

Doctor J

Nope, you said sorry as I was writing my post. The time displayed is the time it was posted. As I said, when I was writing the post all I had seen were your insults to me and your insults to daram.

Anyway, matter dropped. Have a nice life.

It wasn't me!

There is a mod to remove the neck of a guitar with ease and replace it. I think it's been mentioned before on this thread. It can be found on a tele on Chris's site anyway but I'm not sure how detrimental it would be. As far as I'm concerned, the neck joint has a lot to do with how comfortable it is to play as well as the obvious factors of intonation and tone and vision(lol). I can't see why you'd need, or feel the need, to fold a guitar in some way. It can be nothing but detrimental. They're designed the way they are because that's how they work. If travelling is the problem, buy a hard case.

NeMiSiS

Title of the thread says it all lad's... "stupid guitar comment".
It can be done..hell anything can be done or made MacGyver thought us that, but to be perfectly honest the thought of taking off the neck on my guitar and putting it back on.. I'd rather screw a beehive.
Get a case the guitar fits in..for god's sake.

Tom
Oh.. might aswell plug my gig in Dorans on the 27th. doors at 8.

HusseinSarhan

Doctor J wrote:

Hussein,

if you read the posts again you will see that some of the remarks made by the originator of the question have been edited to remove the personal abuse directed by him at me and at other "gurus" who initially tried to help, if someone asks a question they generally receive an answer. I am not a guru nor do I give a damn about any reputation on a website full of typists I do not know. Please try to assume less, unless you plan to go back through all my posts and get the full picture of my contributions to this site. If my response is a little blunt it is because I don't appreciate people who ask questions and then respond with abuse when they're given an answer. I see no need for me to be sunshine and lollypos to people who direct personal abuse my way when I try to help them. I hope this clears that up.

I believe, and will always believe, that a detachable neck is a stupid idea for many reasons, but principally because it would involve replacing the strings every time the neck was detached and would be more touble than it is worth, and prohibitively expensive to your average guitarist at the sacrifice of tone and if you sound **** then what's the point? Plus, any manufacturer is opening themselves to immense litigation is their clip/bolt/whatever does not seat correctly and the musician gets injured by the neck being pulled forward swiftly by the pull of taut strings. Even if the musician is at fault for not seating the parts correctly, the manufacturer can be found liable for not designing a totally safe system and that, I believe, is the main reason it is a stupid idea. This is my opinion, no guruism here, just trying to explain the way I think about this subject. I hope this doesn't make you uncomfortable.

Hello,

Firstly I would like to state that I was not aware any insults that were made against you, as they were edited out at some stage. I have not seen much abuse but still it's not right to fling abuse at someone when they give you an answer you don’t like! That's just common sense. So, I can now understand why you were abrupt with him. That’s understandable. I apologise for offending you.

I am puzzled though. I mentioned in my post that if anyone had any specific problems with my post they could P.M. me. I don’t understand why you did not do so with the first part of your post at least. While the second part is topical, the first concerns me and nobody else. The second part is your explains your reasons for opposing such a design and as such are of interest to everybody viewing this topic. I can't see why you would not P.M. me if you had any personal grievances with the comments I made. If you have no reputation to uphold and that you don’t give a "damn" about what all the anonymous typists online think, why post up on a public thread? It seems odd to me. I would normally send this by P.M. but you have chosen to talk about this openly for whatever the reason may be. The way I see it is, why should I post a message on a public board if it is of no concern of anyone except one person in particular. I find this odd but anyway…

Lastly, I don't really know how much of a contribution you have made to boards.ie. By your post count I assume you have indeed contributed quite an amount. I have no doubt that you are a valued member of this online community. I just do not have the time to read through all of your posts apart from the ones on this thread before making a post concerning this thread. Your overall contribution, however large, is not something I find important when I comment on your posts in one particular thread, rather just your contribution to the thread in question. I said you "sound" like a guru. I never stated that you were on. Your post just struck me that way. I actually stated it wasn't personal; it’s just an impression of arrogance I found.

I do not feel uncomfortable with your response. Perhaps confused is more appropriate.

Sunshine and lollypops,
Hussein

P.S. You say that your main opposition to detachable neck guitars is the fact that they could be unsafe. Your example shows this danger correctly. The neck could swing towards the front end of the guitar under string pressure. It seems silly however to built a latched neck that folds in on the guitar for this very reason! Another method that is completely safe in this regard is if the neck folded out towards the back of the instrument. This way the string tension could not possibly cause the neck to fold in on the player's hands and the front of the guitar. The string tension would act like somebody holding a door shut. It wouldn’t really go anywhere I'd imagine. Obviously there would be a locking mechanism in place to prevent any movement anyway. Like a sophisticated door latch I suppose. It could be easily as safe as a regular guitar if designed with foresight. I think it could work but that’s not to say that I'd own one! It's just not something I need. Its not really for the average player but more for the player who needs a compoact form.

Doctor J

HusseinSarhan wrote:

I am puzzled though. I mentioned in my post that if anyone had any specific problems with my post they could P.M. me. I don’t understand why you did not do so with the first part of your post at least. While the second part is topical, the first concerns me and nobody else.

Why? Because you could have PM'd me if you had a problem with my post, but you chose not to, so I chose not to too.

Anyway, this kind of nonsense could drag on pointlessly forever but it won't. As I said, matter closed.