The place is gone to the dogs

deRanged

I assaulted last night, around 9:45, just near the Bank Of Ireland by Paul Street (Rory Gallagher place or whatever it's called). No provocation, no conversation, just got punched by some guy who ran off. No damage to me thankfully.
Reported it to the gardai, no chance of anything coming of it. No CCTV either. (ssh - that's a secret).

daveirl

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Tiriel

yeah the place really is after becoming a bit of a danger zone... friends of mine (3 girls) were mugged on North Main St. a few weeks ago by a girl and her boyfriend. their bags etc were taken and they were beaten a bit. sicko's

dinjo

first of all,sorry about what happened........ thankfully i've never had anything happen to me in my life,but your right the place is getting scary.... My cousin who is 6"6 and is nearly 300 pounds (mostly muscle) is afraid to go around town at night on his own......that shows just how bad the place is getting

Illkillya

I think that says more about your cousin than it does about the town

Fysh

I hate going round town nearly any night except mondays, not for the risk but because of the prevalence of drunken retards and scumbags loitering in the streets (particularly outside hillbillies by the peace park - if that place isn't a breeding ground for aggro every friday/saturday night at about 3 am, I don't know what is). But I've only ever had anyone try and start something once, and that was during the day. I have, however, had several d*ckheads vandalise my bike any time I've been daft enough to leave it outside my own house (speaking of which, must drop it off again to get a buckle corrected in the back wheel).

MidnightQueen

Cork City has always been bad! Only been out in Cork a couple times but not that many. Its a ****hole full of lurkers and loonies! Thank God nothing ever happened to me while i was in the City! Sorry to hear that u got assaulted though. Its a good thing youre still in one peace!!

Nukem

Was e-mailed by a mate d other day a protest to the Gov. they want to bring pub hrs to meet club hrs so everyone leaves at once.There will be war.
Got a buddy whos a guard in Dublin(tough B*st*rd)and he says the guards view would be leave the clubs open later but stop serving at d norm time and everyone will filter out over the nite not all at once where a lot of this sort happens.

I know got attacked by 3guys(30's)last yr outside a pub for no reason.
Worst of all it was 24th of December, What SCUM!!!!

dahamsta

When I was in my twenties I used to walk down the side streets near Matthews to catch taxis coming back in from the northside, never got attacked. Up until six months ago I used to walk along George's Quay, South Terrace, etc to catch taxis coming back in from the southside, never got attacked. I've lived in Margaret Street in the city center for the past six months, never got attacked. I've never even been approached for more than a fag, which I rarely give. Never been attacked for that either. I only know one person that's been attacked, an overconfident dipsh1t that's had it coming to him for years.

Course I could be attacked tomorrow and proved utterly wrong. Doubt it though. When I see wahs in the street I ignore them and they ignore me. Makes me wonder why the same doesn't happen for other people. Am I that intimidating looking? Don't see it meself.

adam

Blitzkrieger

Cork_girl wrote:

by a girl and her boyfriend

I've heard a similar discription from a few places now. Must be their idea of a date.

dudara

I've been living full-time in the city for 8 years, and I originally come from 30 miles west. I personally have never had any trouble in the city, but that's not to say it doesn't exist. But like Adam says, don't make eye contact with the wahs. Cross to the opposite side of the street if you see them coming. Don't go looking for it.

Nukem

ok guys.I have never wanted to fight anyone,there aint no point.Are ye living in bubbles.Iv lived on d edge of the city all my life and the amount of fights i have seen on the way home is stupid.I mean 2years ago i saw a fight between about 10lads outside hillbillies; blood and loads of guards,It was in the paper and all.
Honestly ye must be real lucky.I live in Limerick part time and thats rough.No one hangs around after the club ; clubs ends - taxi/bus - home.

dudara

Oh, there are plenty fights in Cork. All you have to do is stand outside John Graces, Hillbillies or Abrekebra and you can enjoy a ringside view.

deRanged

I had crossed the street, I hadn't made eye contact. I was in the middle of a conversation with 2 friends of mine.
the guy who hit me ran at me from across the road, hit me on the run and kept going.
I've been walking home late through Cork for years and never had any hassle before. I've seen plenty but noone's ever given me any grief before.

I'm just glad he didn't have a bottle or glass in his hand.

dahamsta

dudara wrote:

Oh, there are plenty fights in Cork. All you have to do is stand outside John Graces, Hillbillies or Abrekebra and you can enjoy a ringside view.

I don't see fights precisely because I don't stand outside John Grace's, Hillbillies or Abrakebarbara. Unless I have a big bag of popcorn obviously...

adam

Nukem

dahamsta wrote:

I don't see fights precisely because I don't stand outside John Grace's, Hillbillies or Abrakebarbara. Unless I have a big bag of popcorn obviously...

adam

Dont judge. Obviosily never been attacked!!!! not nice. Just rembered a guy i went to school with last year was attcked with a plastic fork....
Dont't laugh,he stuck it in his eye and he has a huge scar and do u know why because ............................he got his food before him. B*star*d

Morale of d story - it happens,wrong place, wrong time - thats all :mad:

^whitey^

Cork_girl wrote:

by a girl and her boyfriend

Was present when another couple, well it was actually the girl, stabbed another girl right outside a night club about 2 inches from her crotch for her handbag ... in fairness to the bouncers they caught the two of them and dragged them to the gaurds.

I was also attacked by pikies (apparently attendeing some pikie kings funeral) outside virgin in daylight at 9:45 two summers ago I wasnt even drinking (was 17).I glanced at this bunch of scumbags coming up from mcdonalds and adopted the "mind my own business and walked the other way" approach only to be hit from behind then wake up on the pavement being kicked in the head.

Tiriel

^whitey^ wrote:

Was present when another couple, well it was actually the girl, stabbed another girl right outside a night club about 2 inches from her crotch for her handbag ... in fairness to the bouncers they caught the two of them and dragged them to the gaurds.

was that on Liberty Street?? I was working that nite, but it was a guy that stabbed the girl.. maybe different story.. but yeah only for the bouncers on the door he would've gotten away with it .. scumbag

treefingers

i basically agree with what dahamsta is saying.

ive been going out in the city for about the last few years now, and ive never had any hassle. im not saying that there are no fights in the city every weekend, but if you dont go looking for trouble then you wont find any.

ive never heard of anyone who has got into a fight that wasnt drunk and aggressive themselves...

Tiriel

treefingers wrote:

if you dont go looking for trouble then you wont find any.QUOTE].

not a very fair thing to say.. are u accusing people who are attacked of being responsible??? :eek:

treefingers

well ok, thats just my opinion. theres just no accounting for some psychos i suppose. but for the most part, that is my experience of cork city. ive never known anyone who has been attacked for no reason.

whereas for example some friends of mine (who arent scumbags in the least!) were attacked in dublin this summer on the one weekend they went out there. i just dont think that cork deserves a reputation as someplace where violence is widespread...

Tiriel

no I agree with you .. violence isn't widespread.. it's just that things have changed a lot in the past year or so. I work in a nite-club and we've had more hassle outside on the street after 2pm than ever before. and yeah.. usually it is scum vs scum.. but unfortunately not always.

having said that.. Cork is by far the place I feel most secure!! it's a local place with a good atmosphere most of the time.. and so far in my experience Dublin is a lot less inviting.. hard to explain.

treefingers

Cork_girl wrote:

having said that.. Cork is by far the place I feel most secure!! it's a local place with a good atmosphere most of the time.. and so far in my experience Dublin is a lot less inviting.. hard to explain.

yeah thats how i feel as well. i frequently walk home by myself after nights out and wouldn't even think twice about it.

Tiriel

treefingers wrote:

i frequently walk home by myself after nights out and wouldn't even think twice about it.

that's just not a good idea
mind yourself!!!

treefingers

maybe not, but i haven't had a single problem yet, and i'm only out by the college. actually, i doubt i'd walk home by myself on a fri or sat night. i mostly sample corks night life on tues/weds/thurs anyway

Tiriel

I was livin on college rd for few years, and fair enough never had any hassle but having said that wouldn't go alone.. lots of dark areas.. always hated walking past the Crawford and St. Finbarrs.. and it's a hill so bit difficult to run!!!

^whitey^

Cork_girl wrote:

was that on Liberty Street?? I was working that nite, but it was a guy that stabbed the girl.. maybe different story.. but yeah only for the bouncers on the door he would've gotten away with it .. scumbag

Yea it was ... I was also working that night Thought it was the girl, could have easily been the guy though didnt actually see it happen myself.

dahamsta

Cork_girl wrote:

it's just that things have changed a lot in the past year or so

I've had people saying that to me for a decade. I've seen people saying it here on Boards for at least three years. Of course it's changing, but it's not changing out of pace for a city of it's size. Cities are born, they grow up, c'est la vie. Not happy, move to Nad.

adam

Tiriel

dahamsta wrote:

Not happy, move to Nad.

adam

that's a little too near home to be honest!!! reason why I moved to Cork city in the first place..

and.. fair enough the place of changing course it is .. if it wasn't it'd be some ****hole..
problem is.. there needs to be a bit more of da force on the streets.. that's all.

Tiriel

oh and Whitey.. were u workin on Liberty St.??

deRanged

treefingers wrote:

ive never heard of anyone who has got into a fight that wasnt drunk and aggressive themselves...

well it wasn't a fight but you have now.

this thread is interesting - it's almost like it was my fault some guy assaulted me.

I wasn't drunk - they weren't drunk. It was early on a well light and relatively crowded street.

I guess the point I'm not making is exactly that. If I'd been stumbling home in the early hours, lurched into some guys mot and gotten a slap, I'd say something, but strolling to the carpark at a quarter to ten in conversation with 2 friends? Not even Tony Humphries could pin that one on me.

dahamsta

Cork_girl wrote:

problem is.. there needs to be a bit more of da force on the streets.. that's all.

True, but that's a political solution. We still have the societal problem of wah procreation.

adam

Tiriel

dahamsta wrote:

wah procreation.

adam

that.. my friend .. has no solution!! well.. no legal one anyway!

^whitey^

Cork_girl wrote:

oh and Whitey.. were u workin on Liberty St.??

Yea I was working in the club, small world eh :rolleyes:

Tiriel

me too and we both know there's only one club...

Skud

I was out last night and walking up by the capitol side of the road to go to the atm on patrick street when (you know theres a lot of railings there) i saw outside mcdonalds a mass brawl of 10 -15 guys just hammering the living **** outta each other. They started shifting the fence they were laying into each other so much. A crowd even formed to look! A paddywaggon came after awhile but the fight didn't stop and i didn't wait around.

Not my only experience with mcdonalds. A couple of years ago alot of north siders (bout 30 of them all underage like myself at the time) were about looking for a fight. Was going to get a taxi so crossed away from em... on the way two guys were punching each other outside th capitol, but that's not the worst. Back to the gang anyway. They came to mcdonalds and were quite hungry, but the bouncer wouldn't leve em in. So they had two/three foot x2 long sticks and continued to beat the living **** out of him with them.

dahamsta

deRanged wrote:

this thread is interesting - it's almost like it was my fault some guy assaulted me.

I don't think anyone's seriously suggesting that. What I've been saying is that this apparent assertion that Cork is descending into anarchy at an incremental rate (or "the place is gone to the dogs" as you put it yourself) is ridiculous. If you were more interested in discussing your own assault, which I think everyone will agree is unfortunate no matter what the circumstances, perhaps you should have titled the thread more appropriately?

What's happening is simple par for the course for a growing city. Societal standards decline in some sections of the community, mostly due to educational problems, which in my personal view comes down to parental irresponsibility 95% of the time. However this isn't particularly unusual in society, and wouldn't be so much of an issue if, as Cork_girl suggests, policing was handled properly. Critically community policing.

So although the problem rests (again in my view) with parents for the most part, that's an endemic issue caused by inequities in society itself, which aren't going to be corrected in the short term (although it should certainly be addressed in the medium to long term). A short term fix is to quite simply put more plod on the street, particularly in trouble areas (abrakebarbara, etc) and communities.

If you're following the natural progression of what I'm saying, you should be seeing where the blame lies, and what the answer is. The blame lies solely with the current goverment because: a) they haven't put more plod on the street; and b) they haven't tried to address the societal issues that cause the problems in the first place. In fact they /lied/, utterly and undeniably about policing; and their whole philosophy precludes them correcting the societal issues.

I won't insult your intelligence with suggestions as to what the answer is.

adam

deRanged

I don't disagree with you at all there Dahamsta. I admit I was trolling a bit with the thread title. I've been walking home late through the city for nearly 10 years and this is the only time I've ever had any hassle.
I was surprised that it happened the way it did though - so early and not alcohol related. I think the guy who hit me was just bored and did it for the laugh - to get a chase.
I reported it to the gardai, secure in the knowledge that it wouldn't do any good (in terms of catching him), just so it'd go on the stats and no politician can claim they've worked miracles in making Cork safe.
Then it turns out the CCTV isn't working - apparently it's due to the digging up of Patrick st.

dahamsta

CCTV isn't a subject you want to get me started on.

I'm familiar with the "pick a fight because I'm bored" parade though. The Crinions (sp?) are one crowd that are famous for it. They send the kiddywinkies - and I mean kiddywinkies - ahead to roar abuse at a few lads, and when the lads turn around to give them an earful, out pop the bully-boy drug dealer scum with nothing better to do with their time. This literally happened to me one evening on the way back from a Lark by the Lee or somesuch, but luckily I had a clued-in mate with me who spotted what was going on. The mate is over six foot and built like a brick crapper, it was bizarre to see him worried by three or four ten years olds, until he explained why. But this just serves to prove my point -- how long is it since we had a Lark by the Lee?

Skud's example is another. I remember myself and that same mate used to sit on the steps of the Chateaux bar on Patrick's Street, eating our chips and watching the scumbags thump seven kinds of sh1t out of each other outside Burgerland. Occasionally the Guards would come along and tow a few of them off to the Bridewell (for a further thumping by all accounts) but for the most part they left them alone, because they didn't have the bodies to handle it. The wahs literally closed Burgerland down with their behaviour. Think about it, how long ago was that?

Here's another one: I'm afraid I was a bit of a cruiser when I was younger, like to toddle around the town and watch what was going on. On Fridays on Saturdays we all used to park up on the Parade at chucking out time in Shandras (aka Club Oasis, aka the Grand Parade Hotel) to watch the wahs perform. On one evening in particular, I saw the Gardaí arrive in a paddy wagon and watched dumbfounded while several of the wahs kept them occupied, so another batch could overturn the paddy wagon. Shandras?! How long ago was that?!

So nothing's changed I'm afraid. The wahs are the same, the cops are the same, and their keepers are the same. Only way to change it in my view is to change the keepers. Even that isn't enough, you have to hammer at the new keepers to make them keep their promises too. They're all liars, they just don't understand it's wrong because it's part of the job.

adam

dahamsta

Jeebus, reading over that you'd think I was seventy if I was a day.

"I remember when all this was fields!"

adam

deRanged

heh. I was about to say that. I was with you up 'till Shandras.
I guess I'm the wrong side of 30 to know that place

dahamsta

I'm only 32! And I have the mind of a child.

adam

jank

I'm afraid I was a bit of a cruiser when I was younger, like to toddle around the town and watch what was going on.

LOL i couldnt picture you being one of the boys bopping to the beats!

dahamsta

I'm not ashamed jank, I was a trend-setter, not a fashion victim.

adam

Tiriel

dahamsta wrote:

I'm not ashamed jank, I was a trend-setter, not a fashion victim.

adam

dunno whether that's a good thing or not

Tazzle

If Cork is as dangerous as it's made out to be I must be some lucky soab, I've frequently wandered around outside alone on my mobile at 2/3am on thursday/friday nights around by the peacepark, gpo and barracks street, totally pissed off my brain in fairness and very nice clothes and phone. I got removed from Club One about a month ago for being off my head, I don't remember it, just 2 images of being outside on my own and having no money to pay the taxi when it dropped me out to Ballincollig. Haven't a notion how i managed it. Never had any trouble ever in the city. /me touches wood

damien

All the animals come out at night - whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.

sixpack's little hat

Cool haircut Travis!

TattyTeddy

dudara wrote:

Oh, there are plenty fights in Cork. All you have to do is stand outside John Graces, Hillbillies or Abrekebra and you can enjoy a ringside view.

Yeah, Cork really is gone to the ****s. I was out in Cubins bout a month ago and I was in the smoking area outside. It was literally like a boxing match as there was one of them rails n all to seperate smoking area etc ,,,,, anyways, this guy just started screaming at a gaurd and his girlfriend started holding him back... everyone in the smoking area was egging yer man on (think his name was Tony) then some dude started beating up a girl who looked about 12. It was like jerry springer and I think part of your average nite out in cork is based upon viewing a good fight after the club! Sit in Mc Donalds on winthrop street and I GAURANTEE you a fight outside( try and get the window seat) I'm female and have never been beaten up and im out nearly every week. I'm very nervous nowadays tho

dahamsta

TattyTeddy wrote:

I'm very nervous nowadays tho

You need a big strong man to keep you company honey. *koff*

Sorry. Somebody had to do it.

adam

TattyTeddy

dahamsta wrote:

You need a big strong man to keep you company honey. *koff*

Sorry. Somebody had to do it.

adam

HMMMMMMMMMMM............. big strong man or big metal gun?