[RANT]Is grammar something that only happens to other people?[/RANT]

The Sweeper

Okay, pedantic moment:

It really, really wrecks my head when I’m reading boards.ie and I come across some of the atrocious grammar, spelling and syntax that some boardsters use when they post.

It used to be the little things, like people mixing up ‘they’re’, ‘there’ and ‘their’, or ‘I wondered over to such and such’ instead of ‘wandered’.

I’m an editor, so perhaps this is why it bothers me – my eye automatically catches on mistakes in posts. I had come to the point where I could cope with occasional mistakes, but now it’s worse. Now people use text speak, e.g.

“dnt luk if ur not going 2 b nice”

That makes my head hurt. It literally makes it hurt. It makes me want to grab the illiterate sonofabitch and smack them. There should be 'crayon' font for people who can't write a simple sentence properly.

Is it just me?

Dont be at yourself

No, it gets me too. A misplaced comma or 'your' instead of 'you're' really breaks the flow of the post.

But yeah, I can possibly excuse the errors born out of stupidity, but the text speak stuff is just laziness.

Mercury_Tilt

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Blub2k4

Na it is really annoyin, they're only making themselves look juvenile though.

Hobbes

U know I dont hav a problem wit grammer or spelling mistkaes as the hole point is to undrstand wat the person is tryin 2 get across.

You can't tell what age or nationality the person is. So to assume that your somehow better because someone forgets where to stick an apostrophe is petty.

There is nothing more annoying (and neg rep inducing) then watch someone pick apart another posters grammer while totally ignoring what the poster is actually trying to say. Using quotes like ‘this’ or “this” is overly condesending as well, 'this' or "this" is fine.

dudara

I would never pick someone's post apart because of bad grammar, or use of txtspeak, but it would annoy the hell out of me, and influence me unfavourably as to their point of view. Clear language and punctuation makes for easy communication.

quarryman

I’m an editor,

shouldn't your nick have an apostrophe then?

i agree though. nothing looks lazier than bad grammar and spelling. if people would even learn the most common two:

their, there, they're
you're your

edit: spelling

Jim

It annoys me to, but I'm one of the worst culprits.

I think (argh I just did it, read on...) that I tend to type while thinking instead of deciding the whole post beforehand. I noticed today that I started three sentances in a row with the phrase "I think". It really annoyed me when I read back over it but I was too tired to correct it.

irlirishkev

..It does my head in aswell. Especially phone text style typing.. I mean, there's a Keyboard in front of you. Use it.

They're, their, and there.... ugh, that's annoys me the most.

Kevin.

pickarooney

I just haet it when people spell something wrong and then put (sp?) or (spelling?) or (soz, I cant spell!) after a word. If you know it's wrong, look the bastarding thing up, no?

Jim

irlirishkev wrote:

..It does my head in aswell. Especially phone text style typing.. I mean, there's a Keyboard in front of you. Use it.

They're, their, and there.... ugh, that's annoys me the most.

Kevin.

Whenever I talk to my cousins on the net they says say "mi" instead of "me". Its the same amount of letters ffs!!

Oh and pickarooney, its "h a t e", look it up,

Hagar

Most of my errors are not because I'm dense or anything, it's just that I can't type very well.
I try to give others the benefit of the doubt but sometimes the mistake changes the whole sense of the post and baffles me.

seamus

It annoys me too, and allows me to generate preconceptions about said poster, and then assert my superiority over them.

Seriously though, while it annoys me, I don't go out of my way to correct it or get frustrated about it.

For me though, text speak reduces the credibility of the poster, and I automatically assume they're in the age range of 12-18. Textspeak and the abscence of paragraphs and punctutation also makes me infinitely more likely to look at the post, grimace, and just go onto the next one without reading it at all. If a person doesn't think enough of their opinion to express it clearly, then I couldn't be arsed wasting my time reading it.

If I see a post riddled with poor spelling and grammar, but God bless 'em they look like they're trying, I give the poster the benefit of the doubt and assume that they're either a) Drunk, b) Dyslexic or c) Paddy20.

I do tend to switch "they're" and "their", but that just occurs when I'm thinking faster than I'm typing, and my brain chooses the incorrect spelling. I'll just correct it when I read the post over.

My most annoying habit of late is somehow leaving out small words from my sentences, like "of", "for", "it" "my". Tis weird.

The Sweeper

Hobbes wrote:

Using quotes like ‘this’ or “this” is overly condesending as well, 'this' or "this" is fine.

Ha ha, actually when I'm in work I can't leave boards.ie open constantly, so I'd typed my post into MS word before cutting and pasting it, hence the curved apostrophes...

It's not typos that get me - my big mistake is writing "wont" for "won't" all of the time - some small logic-pixie in my head says "there's no such thing as wo not, so you don't need an apostrophe" - and of course spellcheck doesn't pick that up, so I have to stick a note on top of my monitor with some sort of abusive reminder so I notice it even when I'm tired...

I work with a bunch of Americans, and for all the slagging we give that race for being as sharp as a bag of footballs, their school system teaches grammar in detail. Comma splices, past participles, correct use of pronouns, whether to use "that" or "which", the whole deal.

My own recollection of being taught grammar in school in Ireland involved the teacher saying "this is a verb, but we'll call it a doing word, because it's EASIER FOR YOU TO REMEMBER".

CuLT

Overt text speak is all that annoys me.
Spelling is a talent, something you learn if you have an interest in reading or writing, if you don't, I don't see why you should be penalised by those who have some sort of obsessive disorder every time you attempt to express yourself via written medium (well, on the internet anyway).

Oh, and Jimeatsmenu, you spelled "sentence" with an a in your previous post; perhaps you too should look words up?

embee

Blub2k4 wrote:

Na it is really annoyin, they're only making themselves look juvenile though.

So near, and yet so far. There is a "g" at the end of "annoyin".

Yes, it annoys me too. I can't understand why people use "txt spk" on boards. Its not like ye are restricted to 160 characters per post, kids.

Although, in some cases, that might be a good thing.

Pet

Haha, yes. I try to use decent grammar and punctuation, it just makes a post easier on the eye. "Should of" gets me a little - it makes no sense! If you want to shorten it, use "should've". It may not be 100% correct but it's an improvement.

What I really can't stand is text language. Anyone who types a post in "txt spk" should be packed off back to the special needs class where they belong tbh.

pickarooney

And it's "overt" in English. This could go on all day...

Dr. Loon

This thread is fúckin' hilarious! Almost every reply contains bad grammar or spelling from the people whinging about bad grammar and spelling. You should rename the thread "The most ironic thread in the world... EVAR!"

Or maybe some of you are being purposely ironic?

Anyway, sometimes people make small mistakes. Who cares? As for text speak, well I feel the same as everyone else here...

CuLT

pickarooney wrote:

And it's "overt" in English. This could go on all day...

Damn.

Lex_Diamonds

My current pet hate has to be this new fad sweeping the nation, the substitution of "loose" for "lose". ARGHGASHGAHSGYQHSBQJ!!!

Redleslie2

It doesn't bother me too much especially when I read about how plenty of famous writers were quite bad at spelling. I'm more annoyed by poor writing style, cliches and stiff pomposity.

ixoy

I'll agree wholeheartedly on the issue of txt spk. Seeing "r u", or whatever, on screen irritates me no end.

As to poor grammar in general... well a few mistakes here and there is okay. We all make them, myself included. The "you're"/"your" and "their"/"they're" are among the uglier ones but misplaced commas would rarely cause me bother.

Funny thing is that I'm a writer, of sorts, by trade and I've got the likes of Minesajackdaniels nitpicking my daily work. Sometimes it makes me more picky about what I read here but othertimes it makes me almost more sympathetic because I know precisely how it feels to have someone nitpick your writings...

][cEMAN**

Yeah it annoys me but then I think of the average age of most of the people here ( and the average IQ :P ) and I let it slide.

The grammar doesn't bother me as much as the l337 speak or txt speak though. If I were pedantic I would say there's no such word as 'boardster', and writing really twice is unnecessary.

But (intentional) I don't mind because I rarely follow the exact rules of grammar myself.

If you want something done about it, make a petition for boards mods to enforce a minimum level of grammar and spelling - or to at least ban txt and l337 speak, but otherwise this thread is rather pointless. Sorry.

banquo

Is grammer something that only happens to other people?

that should have been:

1. Can grammer "happen to other people" ?
2. it shouldnt be "only happens to to other people", but rather happens only to. Likewise with "my eye automatically catches on mistakes in posts."; itrs should really be "my eye catches automatically onto".

there's more. want me to list them?

shut up.

CuLT

Lex_Diamonds wrote:

My current pet hate has to be this new fad sweeping the nation, the substitution of "loose" for "lose". ARGHGASHGAHSGYQHSBQJ!!!

I was seriously worried about that last year, started to think I was wrong is spelling lose as lose as opposed to loose *cough*.

Had to confirm it with an English teacher, because the Chemistry teacher was spelling it "loose" :eek:

aidan_walsh

Minesajackdaniels wrote:

There should be 'crayon' font for people who can't write a simple sentence properly.

If you guys can figure out a way to implement it, I'll donate it. Absolutely hate idiots who use text speak or leet in a serious manner. You have a full keyboard in front of you. Use the damn thing!

pickarooney

banquo wrote:

that should have been:

1. Can grammer "happen to other people" ?
2. it shouldnt be "only happens to to other people", but rather happens only to. Likewise with "my eye automatically catches on mistakes in posts."; itrs should really be "my eye catches automatically onto".

there's more. want me to list them?

shut up.

How did you manage to quote her and misspell "grammar"? (and repeat "to", abuse a semi-colon, turn "it" into "itrs", ignore capitalisation, use "there's more" instead of "there are more", and invent a new rule about adverb placement) while keeping a straight face?

Blub2k4

embee wrote:

So near, and yet so far. There is a "g" at the end of "annoyin".

Yes, it annoys me too. I can't understand why people use "txt spk" on boards. Its not like ye are restricted to 160 characters per post, kids.

Although, in some cases, that might be a good thing.

Pedants rule, OK. Or more precisely, exhibit certain of the conventional trappings of leadership!!

Blub2k4

On second thougts isn't Grammar the woman living with Granda?

impr0v

CuLT wrote:

Damn.

Fragment, consider revising

Doper Than U

What really irritates me as well as the "their/there/they're" thing, is when people say "Should of" instead of "Should have". I mean WTF is that about??? It doesn't even make sense! Also along those lines is the combination of <insert adjective> and "then", for example : "Tom is bigger then Paul" or "chips are nicer then waffles" etc etc.

I'm in two minds about these kinds of mistakes. On the one hand I think "Don't be so pedantic", on the other hand I worry that the more people make these mistakes, the more acceptable they will become.

CuLT

Actually, now that I think about it, text speak doesn't annoy me nearly as much as wiggas and their associated slang, who are become increasingly numerous.

I've never trusted MS Word when it told me "Fragment - consider revising" .

Giblet

I could of went to the shop.
I should of went to the shop.

I SHOULD HAVE CASTRATED YOU WITH A RUSTY NAIL.
I COULD HAVE CASTRATED YOU, BUT I WAS LOOKING FOR A RUSTY NAIL.

Jim

CuLT wrote:

Damn.

And shouldn't it be "spelt" and not "spelled"?

Tekkit CuLT.

God I hate these threads.

Blub2k4

Jimeatsmenu wrote:

And shouldn't it be "spelt" and not "spelled"?

Tekkit CuLT.

God I hate these threads.

spell1 Audio pronunciation of "spelt" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spl)
v. spelled, or spelt (splt) spell·ing, spells
v. tr.

1. To name or write in order the letters constituting (a word or part of a word).
2. To constitute the letters of (a word): These letters spell animal.
3. To add up to; signify: Their unwise investment could spell financial ruin.

www.dictionary.com

CuLT

Jimeatsmenu wrote:

And shouldn't it be "spelt" and not "spelled"?

Tekkit CuLT.

God I hate these threads.

Actually, as far as I'm aware, they're interchangeable .

I'm not fond of them either, but they have a way of sucking you in .

darkdreamangel

I'll apologize now before I go on for any mistake I make. This is my first thread to read ever, did anyone consider the fact that some people have reading and writing difficulties. I do I'm dyslexic I try very hard to get it right but sometimes my head just blanks the mistake and I carry on without noticing.

darkdreamangel

also, nobody's perfect without their imperfections

Alun

Add to all the above ...

1) "sight" versus "site"

2) The constant use of "amount of" instead of "number of", as in "There was a huge amount of people at the concert"

3) My all-time pet hate - inappropriate adjectives such as "cheap prices", "hot temperatures", "fast speeds" etc.

Pataman

Is there room for me on the soapbox also?
Nobody has mentioned the famous(infamous) Irishism of "I seen it" or "I done it". This sends me into orbit. i notice it all the time in conversation with people and now I notice it creeping into typing aswell.
While I am here, I also want to mention abbreviations/acronyms. I notice on boards there are LMFAO and ROFLMAO to mention but two. What the heck do these mean? Am I the only one who hates this practice?

Steps down from soapbox...

pickarooney

acrowhatnow?

embee

darkdreamangel wrote:

I'll apologize now before I go on for any mistake I make. This is my first thread to read ever, did anyone consider the fact that some people have reading and writing difficulties. I do I'm dyslexic I try very hard to get it right but sometimes my head just blanks the mistake and I carry on without noticing.

darkdreamangel = drshortass tbh.

climaxer

This site is very good for helping people learn/improve on their typing, grammer and spelling. I have around 80 words and rarely make a mistake. Worth checking it out if you want to learn to touch type as this is how I learned with a similar program quite a few years ago:

http://www.learn2type.com/index.cfm?action=TypingTest

Jim

Everyone should count how many times they say the word "like" in a sentance when talking to peope.

Trojan

It's the consistant offenders that annoy, not the once off typos.

My personal hate is the "could of" one...

meepmeep

ok, my turn!

I hate it when people interchange quiet and quite. For example:

"Its really quite in here" or "yeah he ran quiet quick".

I have a friend who insists that its ok to use either word because the spellchecker doens't show them as being spelt wrong. For the love of God :rolleyes:

Jim

meepmeep wrote:

ok, my turn!

I hate it when people interchange quiet and quite. For example:

"Its really quite in here" or "yeah he ran quiet quick".

I have a friend who insists that its ok to use either word because the spellchecker doens't show them as being spelt wrong. For the love of God :rolleyes:

He / She is a moron.

meepmeep

Yes. Yes she is.

Dr. Loon

climaxer wrote:

This site is very good for helping people learn/improve on their typing, grammer and spelling. I have around 80 words and rarely make a mistake. Worth checking it out if you want to learn to touch type as this is how I learned with a similar program quite a few years ago:

http://www.learn2type.com/index.cfm?action=TypingTest

Doesn't seem to have helped with your ability to spell grammar though!?

This thread is just going to turn into constant píss take after píss take of people's grammar/spelling. You should never dare question someone else's grammar or spelling if your own isn't perfect.

Embee - amazingly I was thinking the same thing!

pickarooney

Trojan wrote:

It's the consistant offenders that annoy, not the once off typos.

My personal hate is the "could of" one...

Do you often write "consistant"?