Bigley is killed

eirebhoy

Just seen it on Sky news.

Stark

Ah crap. Those pricks doing the executions really make by blood boil :mad: What are they getting from it? I'd love to catch them and saw their heads off myself, see how they like it.

robo

Taken from Sky News Web-Site:

Ken Bigley has been killed by hostage-takers in Iraq, say official sources.

The 62-year-old from Liverpool was murdered despite pleas to the terrorists holding him to show mercy.


His family had begged Tony Blair to step in and attempt to secure his release.

Engineer Mr Bigley was abducted in Baghdad along with fellow construction workers Jack Hensley and Eugene Armstrong three weeks ago.

The Tawhid and Jihad terrorist group beheaded the two Americans within a week and their remains were found in the Iraqi capital.

Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who ranks as one of Washington's most wanted men, is believed to have killed at least one of the Americans.

Sky News


B8st8rds!!!

davej

I blame Billy Connolly..

davej

smoke.me.a.kipper

terrible.

luckat

The dirty murderers, damn their souls to hell. Poor, poor man.

robo

The English Government didn't do enough!!!

His brother Paul was on Newstalk earlier and had no idea that this was about to happen! He said that if Ken is killed, it will probably kill his poor mother!!

threebeards

robo wrote:

He said that if Ken is killed, it will probably kill his poor mother!!

Unfortunately I don't doubt that for a second.

robo

Newstalk have said also that they have been in contact with his brother Paul, but he is shocked at the moment and not talking to any media.

There could have been so much more by the British government...why!!

Sand

Very sad, but this has been predicted for weeks. The guys who held him are some of the most hardcore in Iraq.

They took him hostage to humiliate and belittle the the coalition forces and their leaders. They calculated that by playing it out, teasing his family with the possiblity of his release, and making impossible demands of Blair and Bush they could increase their humilitation, and the shock when they finally killed him as they have always planned.

These guys are cruel and savage but theyre not stupid.

egan007

Poor man
is the is the first Irish man dead in the war?

L5

Hes not irish

The Muppet

That's sad.

Hobbes

While it is sad, I heard on the radio only 10 minutes ago that there is no offical source as of yet if he is or not.

and the shock when they finally killed him as they have always planned.

Which makes you wonder why they released others then doesn't it?

A Dub in Glasgo

He is not the first 'Irishman' to die. A couple of contractors were killed and the Dublin soldier in the British Army.

sliabh

robo wrote:

There could have been so much more by the British government...why!!

Like what?

egan007

L5 wrote:

Hes not irish

Having an Irish passport makes him Irish -no matter how you argue it

Sand

Which makes you wonder why they released others then doesn't it?

Like the two italian women held by a different kidnap-for-ransom group that had their ransom paid?

Has this Al-Zaqiri ( spelling all over the shop I know) bloke actually released anyone? I havent heard of it if he has and Id have imagined that would have been raised as a matter for hope if he had.

Mercury_Tilt

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robo

sliabh wrote:

Like what?

Honestly...I dunno! But Tony Blair was mainly just quoted in the papers and media always talking to his family! Now how does that save his life!!!

dathi1

Yep...Sadam had a grip on this type of activity and Al Quida and its subsidiaries couldn't function in Iraq. It took a trailer trash US president and his neocon dumb ****ers to let terror reign. Just a note..any organisation who promotes or suckers up to these types here and in Europe should be dealt with under incitement to hatred and not tolerated...and they are here.

L5

egan007 wrote:

Having an Irish passport makes him Irish -no matter how you argue it

He was granted an irish passport in an emergency situation. He didnt apply for it, it was given to him. What about the Arabs who were given passports in return for investments, would you call them Irish?
Legally yes , in the eyes of any normal person definitely not.

egan007

L5 wrote:

He was granted an irish passport in an emergency situation. He didnt apply for it, it was given to him. What about the Arabs who were given passports in return for investments, would you call them Irish?
Legally yes , in the eyes of any normal person definitely not.

Legally yes? How else are you irish?
And how many of those Arabs had Irish Mothers?
Somehow i don't think he was in any position to stand in a passport application queue...

100gSoma

is he defo dead? is it official. thats brutal.

There could have been so much more by the British government...why!!

Really? What?

1) They were dealing with an extremist terrorist organisation that has killed hostages in the past with no notice or true grievence.
2) Britain practices a policy of non-negotiation with Terrorists, that has been accepted in the past as being the right thing to do. Bigley being a British (or irish) citizen shouldn't have changed that.
3) We don't know what the British government may have tried doing by use of Intelligence forces and military assets in Iraq to retrieve Bigley.


Thing is. Has nobody wondered if all this was put in motion by this Terrorist group just to stir up sympathy? To stir up media attention and just when its the most popular story, kill him? The other hostages that have been released never received as much media attention, and thats probably the reason why they were released.

This is a terror group, and they've gained an awful lot of publicity and will gain even more from just this one killing. I wouldn't be too suprised if they jump at the chance to kidnap another British Citizen to see if they get the same results.

Hobbes

Sand wrote:

Like the two italian women held by a different kidnap-for-ransom group that had their ransom paid?

AFAIR the news reported last week that he was handed to that group from the group that was previously holding him.

Pigman II

It's a bad way to go out but I can't say I'm more sorry for him than for the thousands of human beings murdered by the US led coalition-of-evil since the start of the invasion.

Less so actually.

PH01

It's sad if it's true.
According to the BBC his death has yet to be confirmed - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3726744.stm

Currently the source is unreliable.

Also, weren't those two Italian women reported to have been killed before they were released.
So all hope is not lost.

Draupnir

I agree with Pigman, as harsh as it sounds, but still a sad way for anyone to be killed.

Mercury_Tilt

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spanner

what has billy connolly got to do with it

Mercury_Tilt

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eth0_

Come on, you're all letting emotions get in the way of fact. What could Tony Blair have possibly done to secure the mans release? If he'd given in to these hostage takers demands, there would be a swathe of kidnappings. Britain doesn't negotiate with terrorists. Why should they change their stance now? I know it looks like the British government practically sacrificed Ken Bigley but what else could they have done? And as someone else has said, we don't know what sort of intelligence work was going on in the background trying to find the kidnappers and save Bigley.

As for the guy who blames Billy Connolly - I don't know if you're trying to be funny or serious, either way your comment marks you out as as big a tw*t as Billy Connolly!

full forward

War crimes.

Farmers are murdered as they plough a field.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/audiovideo/apachehit.mpg

Massacre of Civilians in Fallujah
http://globalresearch.ca/images/Massacre%20of%20Civilians.wmv

Sand

AFAIR the news reported last week that he was handed to that group from the group that was previously holding him.

Yep, I remember those reports and for a while I thought I might have been wrong to have been so negative - But Al Zees representitives later denied he had been handed over to anyone though so that was that scotched.

If theres any hope here, its that Bigley has been reported as killed in error before. This may be the case again if Al Zee is just attempting to utilise the shock value of bigleys murder, without actually sacrificing the possibility of dragging out his death further.

BuffyBot

Apaprently Abu-Dhabi TV have recieved the video...

From BBC: (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3726744.stm)

The Abu Dhabi TV says it has received a video CD relating to Mr Bigley, according to BBC correspondent Jo Floto.

The station refused to say what was on it but said that they would air it at 1500 BST.

beer enigma

What was the guy doing in Iraq anyway ?? - I'm sure the financial rewards are great for those 'who dare', but the risk involved surely outweighs the monetary gain.

It would be dreadful news if the reports are correct, but I can't help feeling that any guy working over there at the moment is running the risk of being kidnapped which doesn't help anyone.

Like any animals...whilst there's still fresh food available, the terrorists will continue to hunt

ro_chez

Irish, English what the fu<k does it matter, he's just another name to add to the list, the difference is the media are milking his situation for all its worth something that the hostage takers want. And why the hell do they keep saying its AL Zarqawi thats doing these beheadings, do they have the ability to see thru balaclavas or something.

And it seems that they've released the video of it!!

Redleslie2

Sand wrote:

These guys are cruel and savage but theyre not stupid.

Unlike the Bush admin which is staffed with cruel, savage and stupid people.

Sand wrote:

Like the two italian women

Their names are Simona Torretta and Simona Pari. What's particularly sad about this whole soap opera is that the audience cannot even be arsed to find out the names of any of the minor characters, the other hostages. Well if the drama is over, it's time to switch channel. "What's on Sky? Oh, The Match, deadly! Oooh! Cheerleaders with huge breasts!"

joe.

out of interest i just downloaded a beheading about a month ago. i have to say it was the most brutal disgusting barbaric thing i've ever saw in my life. i felt for the plight of these people. not any more. if they want to kill people why can't they use a bullet in the back of the head. felt physically sick. never seen anything like it. never want to again. don't look at these things.

egan007

curiosity killed the cat

Carpo

bmarley wrote:

out of interest i just downloaded a beheading about a month ago. i have to say it was the most brutal disgusting barbaric thing i've ever saw in my life.

This might seem like a silly question but what were you expecting? I never downloaded the video precisely because I new I wasnt going to like what I saw.

i felt for the plight of these people. not any more.

Also, how are the actions of these people representative of Iraqi's who just oppose the the occupation? Or are you saying you originally felt for the plight of the kidnappers?

mr_angry

bmarley wrote:

out of interest i just downloaded a beheading about a month ago. i have to say it was the most brutal disgusting barbaric thing i've ever saw in my life. i felt for the plight of these people. not any more. if they want to kill people why can't they use a bullet in the back of the head. felt physically sick. never seen anything like it. never want to again. don't look at these things.

Because the point is to demoralise the opposition. The more slow and painful the murder, the more the opposition are afraid, and the more likely they'll be to leave.

In my opinion, caving to these people would have only resulted in more kidnappings. What would be the point in saving one man's life only for it to result in the loss of 5 more in time? I'm sure even the Bigley family wouldn't wish the last couple of months on any other families.

luckat

It seems to me that serial killers hop on the bandwagon of any revolution or war and amuse themselves in their own sick way. Bigley was the victim of a serial killer. Whatever other killings are going on, however immoral they may be, he was kidnapped and murdered by people who like to kill. It's their fun.

sharkman

Fookin Bastards . They are bloody animals . But I think the US and UK governments could have done much more to get him released , with the amount of manpower and technology over there , They could have found him if they really wanted to ..It just thet he was not one of their priorities ..

As for thet Fool Connolly , I think he would be safer in Iraq at the moment .


Rant over ....

HashSlinging

thats horrible news, feel the same way I felt when the first person (american) was beheaded. SICK. I think its true I've searched for this video and its on a P2P network. Not that I would ever dream of downloading this, it now seems like a ritual with these people.

Is this madness ever going to stop from both sides.

sharkman

eth0_ wrote:

Britain doesn't negotiate with terrorists. Why should they change their stance now?

I think you will find that he has been speaking to Mr Adams and his croonies quite a bit .. certainly no angel's ..

Mercury_Tilt

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flogen

Is a shame alright, but is it really that much of a surprise?

The amount of time they spent holding him was odd, and I did start to think that perhaps they were going to let him go, and that perhaps the pressure was working (whichever aspect that may be of it), but in reality they're still the animals that killed the 2 Americans, so rationality doesnt really come into it

Saying that I still think the public outcry and the actions of whoever involved in the campaign was the right thing to do, rather than just sit back.

flogen

DoesNotCompute

L5 wrote:

He was granted an irish passport in an emergency situation. He didnt apply for it, it was given to him. What about the Arabs who were given passports in return for investments, would you call them Irish?
Legally yes , in the eyes of any normal person definitely not.

I work in the department of foreign affairs. I can tell you that he was not *given* the passport; it was issued to him on the strength of his Irish citizenship. His mother was born in Dublin, so he was technically ans Irishman. He was also an Englishman. (Dual citizenship)

kleefarr

eth0_ wrote:

Come on, you're all letting emotions get in the way of fact. What could Tony Blair have possibly done to secure the mans release? If he'd given in to these hostage takers demands, there would be a swathe of kidnappings. Britain doesn't negotiate with terrorists. Why should they change their stance now? I know it looks like the British government practically sacrificed Ken Bigley but what else could they have done? And as someone else has said, we don't know what sort of intelligence work was going on in the background trying to find the kidnappers and save Bigley.

Exactly. The outcome was undoubted. There was no way that I could see these animals letting him go. They were getting to much publicity out of it. To kill him in the end, gave them more unforgettable publicity than letting him go. Apart from that they would have been seen as weak and not practising what they preach. With regard to the efforts made by any political parties, they can't given in to these people. Once you given in then I would imagine that more and more will happen because it will be seen as a way to bring"the infidels" to their knees.
Someone got it right when they said, "why do these people go there. Surely the monetary value is not worth the risk?". The chance to make a quick buck appeals to a lot of people and there are those who are prepared to do more than others.

[QUOTE=ro_chez
]Irish, English what the fu<k does it matter[/QUOTE]

Another good point. I for one, wouldn't wish this on anybody, regardless of colour race or religion. He is another human being.

The time will come for these animals and not a moment to soon. It's about time people stopped going out there, but unfortunately I think that may be wishful thinking. Some people will do anything if the price is right.

God save their souls.