need help new pc

dunco

hi i need help i am going to build a new pc

i was going to buy

abit kv7 socket a motherboard €62
crucial pc 3200 ballistix ddr 512mb cl2 €141
thermaltake purepower fanless psu €144.99
all from www.komplett.ie

i have a case and drives but am looking for a good cpu and water cooling kit for this motherboard

can someone please help

Optikus

You should stick in a Mobile 2500+ Xp, the best for overclocking in my opinion. as for watercooling the Astek WaterChill is the best preformer out there.

dunco

hi thank you where can i buy a mobile xp in ireland

Optikus

I cant seem to find it for sale anywhere in Ireland.. but you should try www.jes-computer.de, its a german shop with really good prices that should make up for the delivery charges.

Optikus

heres a link to the Mobile 2500Xp at jes if your interested http://www.jes-computer.de/index.php?cat=169_44&sort=3a&page=4

dunco

hi i was looking at www.marx-computers.com
they have a athlon xp 3000+ (barton) 512kb l2 400mhz €194 is that good

Optikus

You can overclock the Moblie to the same speed as the 3200Xp and it only costs 89.99e, but that still is a good price for the 3000.

Woden

dunco tell us how much you have to spend and what you don't need to buy e.g monitor mouse keyboard etc. and what you plan on doing with it, overclocking, games and that and we should be able to give better advice.

imo its time to move on from an xp system for an decent upgrade and i'd be looking at the Athlon 64 series if you wanna game

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dunco

hi
i bachup my dvds and play some games

i have a ga-7vkml 266ddr motherboard (crap)
256mb + 512mb ram 266ddr
amd athlon xp (palomino)(crap)
17" monitor
120gb +60gb hd ide
win xp

i ma looking for motherboard ram and cpu good spec
i have €400 to €500

Optikus

How much do you have to spend??? soz didnt see that 400 - 500..ok

Optikus

Heres something i put together on Jes.de

AMD athlon 64 3000 (newcastle) 150.99e
Abit kv8 Mobo 95.99e
1Gb TwinMos DDR400(2x 512Mb) 162.99

totaling 409.97, you can pick up some good watercooling kits there aswell for around 100e.

dunco

hi
all the money i have to spend is €300.
i had to get other stuf any ideas

Optikus

In that case ya proberly would be better off with your original choice of board and ram and an auld Mobile 2500+.

Optikus

You should also consider the NF7 Ultra 400, a much better board then the KV7, using nForce2 chipset. its only 75.99e at www.jes-computer.de

dunco

hi
is the nf7 good for overclocking

dunco

hi
if buy 500mhz ram can i put in 400mhz board and overclock to 500mhz with a mobile xp 2600+

Optikus

Yes its a brilliant board for overclocking. the 2400, 2500 and 2600 xp all have an fsb of 266 so there really would be no need to get DDR500 plus they have their multipliers unlocked so you wouldn't be upping the FSB as much. the mobile version are all on a low voltage so they can overclock really well. So i'd say stick with the DDR400 (pc3200) ram and get either a 2400 or a 2500 they are all the same just the price and they are set at different multipliers.

dunco

hi
can you run a 266mhz cpu with 400mhz ram

Optikus

Yeah as long as the board supports it, and the NF7 Ultra dose.

Optikus

You might be better off with DDR333 (pc2700) depending on how much your going to overclock.

dunco

hi
is the barton locked

BloodBath

The mobile multi's are unlocked.

You should get at least pc3200 as you will be upping the fsb to a least 200mhz giving you a system fsb of 400 and your ram at 400mhz but it will go higher. You have your multi's to mess around with as well.


BloodBath

dunco

hi
which is best for oc mobile or barton

ViperVenoM

well for starters the bartons are locked these days which screws the OC capability

but mobiles by a lot anyway...

Woden

dunco, for that type of budget of 300 i'd be looking at a mobile xp2500+ as well. for o/c the NF7-s is a great board and any board you buy for teh socket A platform should use an nforce 2 chipset it is the only way forward.

the power supply you mentioned seems nice but expensive mainly because its fanless you could pick yourself up a good 350w psu for much cheaper. antec springs to mind as a great psu manufacturer.;

with regards to overclocking itself ideally you'll lower your multiplier and up you FSB so you can find the maximum FSB you can run at. then when you have found this you will up the multi to find out what you can handle. the typical clock speeds on a xp2500+ is 166*11 and on a normal xp2500+ most of these will go to 200*11 giving the rating of xp3200+.

with a mobile chip i would expect to get the FSB higher. with amd systems there is really no other way than to run the ram frequency in sync with the processor i.e 1:1. at a frequency of 200mhz which you should achieve easily on a mobile chip you already need pc3200 ram.

go pc3200 ram will be overclockable but you might want to consider getting yourself some pc3500, 3700 or 4000 incase you get lucky with your chip and it like high FSB.

the question does arise then between lower frequency ram with tight timings or higher frequency ram with looser timings a question i don't recall the answer to prob wont' make much of a difference and you could find a compromise.

anyway see some ocz ram here

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Enhanced_Latency_Series.html

BloodBath

Using a low multi he could hit 250fsb or higher easily. It just depends on wheter he wants to fork out the extra for the higher speed ram.

The extra system fsb and bandwidth more than makes up for looser timings and will destroy lower fsb with tighter timings.

Look at Dubdvd's system. I know it's an intel but his timings are huge as it's ddr2 but the high fsb and memory speeds more than make up for it.


BloodBath

dunco

hi
on the www.komplett.ie site they have
Crucial PC4000 BallistiX DDR 512MB CL2,5 Non-parity, 2.8V, 32Meg x 64 €147
Crucial PC3200 BallistiX DDR 512MB CL2 Non-parity, 2.8V, 64Meg x 64 €141

so €5 is not much if it will work i will buy

BloodBath

Cool sorry I thought you were getting a gig of RAM but even that would have made little difference.

Go for the pc4000 then and get the 2400 mobile, not the 2500. It's cheaper and the same cpu.


BloodBath

Optikus

Both of them are fine but hey why not go for the Pc4000 if it s only fiver in difference. Have you decided on what board and CPU your going to go for?

dunco

hi
i have not decided on a board or cpu yet
but the nf7 sounds good

Optikus

Yeah the NF7 -s rev2 is the best board out for xp's and everyone has stated the Mobiles are the best for overclocking. So if you go for the NF7, a mobile 2400+xp and the pc4000, you should have pretty cool overclockable buget system, although 512k is the bare minium ram i'd use these days you can always upgrade to another stick when financialy viable.

dunco

hi
is the abit nf7-m good

Optikus

Near enough the same as the NF7-s2 but without the SATA Raid and a few other features.

dunco

hi
ok i will go for the nf7-m
i would like to buy in ireland and can not find mobile xp in ireland
is there another good cpu i can get here

BloodBath

Why not just order from Jes? The same parts will cost a lot more here and you won't be able to get a mobile xp.

Plenty of boards users including myself have ordered from here without a problem. You don't need a credit card and should get your parts in under 2 weeks.

If you need help with it let us know.


BloodBath

dunco

hi
ok i will give jes a go

dunco

hi
will i need watercooling for the mobile xp

Woden

i'd stick with the nf7-s v2.0 over the nf7-m the m version has onboard graphics but they're crap.

while the s version gives you firewire s-ata and also extremely good onboard sound as a result you won't need a soundcard

Optikus

dunco wrote:

hi
will i need watercooling for the mobile xp

You dont really need watercooling for the mobile, i know people who have overcloked a good bit with jus air cooling. you can always upgrade to watercooling later if u need more overclockability.

Optikus

BloodBath wrote:

Why not just order from Jes? The same parts will cost a lot more here and you won't be able to get a mobile xp.

Plenty of boards users including myself have ordered from here without a problem. You don't need a credit card and should get your parts in under 2 weeks.

If you need help with it let us know.


BloodBath

Yeah Jes is one of the only places i can find the Mobile Xp's and it really cheap you should be able to get everything you need from them.

BloodBath

Water cooling will have no effect on a mobile xp. You will reach your max safe voltage well before you need better cooling than air.

Just get a half decent heatsink, it doesn't even have to be a good one, and some artic silver 5.

Your load temps should never be more than 50c with a big overclock. That's well under the max safe temp of these processors.


BloodBath

Col_Loki

Theres no way id get the NF7-S2 which is the board jes are selling. It has nu multiplier adjustments and cuts down the value of getting a mobile chip. The NF7-S2 also has no soundstorm.

The NF7-S v2.0 on the other hand is a fantastic board and one of the best AMD XP ones imo........ note the slight difference (NF7-S v2.0 is off the market now).
I would recomend the Abit AN7, would definetly be my choice.

Theres no way i would go for Pc4000 Memory with an XP system, timings mean far more for performance with that system. Also they arent known for huge FSB, and the bandwidth will be low either way....... (have ran Pc4000 Ram on the NF7-S @ 490mhz Dual DDR, and its not impressive)

Tight timings like 2-3-3-7 or less is the way to go with the XP.

dunco

hi
can the an7 take a 266 mobile xp 2400+

Optikus

yeah i was on about the NF2 s rev2, think i called it NF2 S2 in one post by accident.. dunc you should do a google and look at the specs of these boards instead of asking question like that all the time.

Col_Loki

Jes only stock the NF7-S2 and most places will follow (or have already), thats why the AN7 is a great option.... and yes it will work fine with 266mhz FSB mobile chips (with new Ram you would be running 400mhz FSB (2x200mhz) atleast).

Its a real pain about the NF7-S2....... why change the best and make it worse?

dunco

hi
ok i have ordered
Crucial PC4000 BallistiX DDR 512MB CL2,5 €157 inc delivery from komplett
AMD Athlon XP-Mobile 2400+ 45W Tray + Abit AN7, nForce2 Ultra 400 €199 inc delivery from jes
total €356

Optikus

Cool you should have a nice system real soon ... keeps us informed on how things go and if you need any help advice on the build or software installation feel free to post or Pm me. best of luck weith the build

dunco

hi
i would like to now how to copy my 60gb harddrive that has winxp on to a 120gb drive but it can wait

dunco

hi
thank you for your help

Optikus

Try using a program like Norton Ghost or if it just the files your after you can install windows on your new harddrive then set the old one as slave and just copy and paste the files over.

dunco

hi
if i install winxp on a new drive will I have to activate winxp again
it will be a new pc so is it ok to do that