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Help Mr Bigley ASAP

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  • 24-09-2004 11:18am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭


    Michael D. Higgins is trying to help Kenneth Bigley to safely return home. Bertie & Brian Cowan are not interested so if you want the Irish Gov to help this man and his suffering family send an e-mail to the following e-mail address stating your support. The poor mans brother was on the radio this morning begging for Ireland to help him so we should let the Gov know we want them to try something. Just even send a blank mail to join the petition.

    bringbigleyhome@newstalk106.ie


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  • Registered Users Posts: 954 ✭✭✭ChipZilla


    Nobody forced the guy to go out there.

    He knew the risks before he went.

    His gamble didn't pay off...

    Nobody gives a toss about the number of Iraqis that die every day.

    Why is that?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,890 ✭✭✭embee


    I feel awful for Ken Bigley and his family....

    HOWEVER

    I think you are wrong about Bertie and Brian Cowen saying they are "not interested". I think that it is more the case that they would share the viewpoint of Blair/Bush et al that there can be absolutely no negotiation with terrorists under any circumstances.

    And Michael D. Higgins .... why him of all people?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,514 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    What if it was your brother?
    Would you be so quick to say "he knew the risks before he went"
    as his head is sawn from his body?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭HashSlinging


    FFS just dont send a mail then...


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    Why would a group of Iraqi militants pay any attention to Michael D. Higgins?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,514 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    embee wrote:
    And Michael D. Higgins .... why him of all people?!

    Because he offered.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭Blub2k4


    Michael D. Higgins is trying to help Kenneth Bigley to safely return home. Bertie & Brian Cowan are not interested so if you want the Irish Gov to help this man and his suffering family send an e-mail to the following e-mail address stating your support. The poor mans brother was on the radio this morning begging for Ireland to help him so we should let the Gov know we want them to try something. Just even send a blank mail to join the petition.

    bringbigleyhome@newstalk106.ie


    So are they going to allow him to fly back in through Shannon or what?
    I think they are already "helping" enough myself.
    Any ideas how much Bigley was being paid to work in a war zone for an illegal occupier?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,890 ✭✭✭embee


    I just wonder what his ulterior motive is....


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,514 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    Blub2k4 wrote:
    So are they going to allow him to fly back in through Shannon or what?
    I think they are already "helping" enough myself.
    Any ideas how much Bigley was being paid to work in a war zone for an illegal occupier?


    Probably a lot.
    So what?
    Are you saying that because he got paid for being in Iraq, Iraqis have every right to chop his head off?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭BrookieD


    Hi
    There is a rally being set up Friday @ 18:00 to make there voice heard over this matter and to call form the PM to stand down in the UK. please see the post in the Politics section under name of "Mr Bigley"

    If you know anyone in the UK or Liverpool area that can attend please asked them to do so .
    also the media in the UK has picked up on this so there might be a fair few people.

    cheers

    Click Here for link


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭ravenhead


    It's obvious that no amount of talking is going to help to have Kenneth Bigley released. The british government realise this & we should to.
    What I can't understand is with the amount of intelligence that the americans are supposed to have in Iraq why has a millitery team been sent in to deal with this scum!! There is no point in giving into the likes of these people as this is only going to convince them that the world will accept this type of behaviour ... Fu@k, go in & blow the crap out of them!!! That's my opinion anyway


  • Registered Users Posts: 954 ✭✭✭ChipZilla


    Sleipnir wrote:
    What if it was your brother?
    Would you be so quick to say "he knew the risks before he went"
    as his head is sawn from his body?

    Three of my workmates are in Basra just now, and will be for another six months. They weighed up their options and went for it, as deciding factor was the salary for the 12 month stint (which was in the six-figure range as it went by the salary they were on x5). Would you risk being captured or executed for £150,000 or £160,000? That wouldn't buy you a house on your return...

    So if that was my brother, I'd be saying "Cop on, you stupid f**ker" before he even left for Iraq...


  • Registered Users Posts: 954 ✭✭✭ChipZilla


    ravenhead wrote:
    Fu@k, go in & blow the crap out of them!!! That's my opinion anyway

    Who, the Iraqi population? The US are doing that already. Some would say that's what got them where they are in Iraq today...


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,514 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    ChipZilla wrote:
    Three of my workmates are in Basra just now, and will be for another six months. They weighed up their options and went for it, as deciding factor was the salary for the 12 month stint (which was in the six-figure range as it went by the salary they were on x5). Would you risk being captured or executed for £150,000 or £160,000? That wouldn't buy you a house on your return...

    So if that was my brother, I'd be saying "Cop on, you stupid f**ker" before he even left for Iraq...

    And if he went anyway?

    What if one of your mates was now in the position of Bigley?
    If you made a press statement like his brother has would you say
    "You knew the risks when you went out there so tough"

    He had been working in the Middle east for a couple of years and his brother's company is out there. I'm sure he knew the risks.
    By accepting the risk we can now say

    "Well you're screwed, but I did tell you....."


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I have a particular pity for him because his general love of the Middle East is what had him there. Unlike most others working there, he wasn't draw by money, rather he'd been working with a Middle Eastern company for a few years, and moved to Iraq after the war. There are very few people who, while on camera pleading for their life, would also plead for help for the Iraqi people, the people who have captured them.

    I have a funny feeling that he'll be set free without intervention from the Brits. I hope so anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 954 ✭✭✭ChipZilla


    I hope so too Seamus.

    Sleipnir, quit harping on about my theoretical brother - that's neither here nor there. What if? What if? What if? The bottom line is that this guy DID KNOW where he stood by going and working in Iraq. He was captured - but them's the breaks...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭ravenhead


    ChipZilla wrote:
    Who, the Iraqi population? The US are doing that already. Some would say that's what got them where they are in Iraq today...

    No these ignorant people that believe that by terrorizing people the way they are doing, that they are going to get what they want.
    I say hunt them down like you would any other common criminal, just because they are in Iraq doesn't mean that they should be left get away with what they are doing. If that happened here or in any other civilised country in the world you can be gauranteed that the powers that be would not stop until these people were brought to justice, what kind of a message is this giving to other militant ' oh grab some of the foreigners & we'll back down & you'll get what you want without anyone trying to stop you' ... I can't believe that has what the world has come to..


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,514 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    seamus wrote:
    Rather he'd been working with a Middle Eastern company for a few years.QUOTE]

    Yeah, that was his brother's company. All his business is in the Middle East.
    He had been working in Qatar for a while as well before so he didn't just get a plane from Heathrow when he heard there was money to be made in Iraq.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭HashSlinging


    People its really simple. JUST SEND A MAIL OR DONT SEND A MAIL

    this is not about why, what, when or who.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    The 62-year-old, originally from the Liverpool area, was said to have ignored both threats and advice to leave the country.

    I think I'd have taken those threats seriously, if I was in that situation.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,514 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    ravenhead wrote:
    I say hunt them down like you would any other common criminal, just because they are in Iraq doesn't mean that they should be left get away with what they are doing.

    Good idea.
    Have you got the address where they're staying?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭BrookieD


    whether he is there for money or for the love of the land he does not deserve to get his head hacked off, thats what people are outraged at!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭ravenhead


    People its really simple. JUST SEND A MAIL OR DONT SEND A MAIL

    this is not about why, what, when or who.

    Speaking for myself, I already have, anything that might help!! But as this is such a touchy subject people are going to debate it when the topic arises :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 954 ✭✭✭ChipZilla


    ravenhead wrote:
    No these ignorant people that believe that by terrorizing people the way they are doing, that they are going to get what they want.
    I say hunt them down like you would any other common criminal, just because they are in Iraq doesn't mean that they should be left get away with what they are doing. If that happened here or in any other civilised country in the world you can be gauranteed that the powers that be would not stop until these people were brought to justice, what kind of a message is this giving to other militant ' oh grab some of the foreigners & we'll back down & you'll get what you want without anyone trying to stop you' ... I can't believe that has what the world has come to..

    How do you find these terrorists? The US forces are treating every civilian like they're a terrorist. Here are some numbers:

    To date, just over 1,000 US soldiers have been killed in Iraq.
    To date, between 10,000 and 37,000 Iraqis have been killed. Nobody knows the precise number because, as General Tommy Franks so eloquently said "We don't do bodycounts". And you say the Iraqis are the uncivilised ones?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭ravenhead


    Sleipnir wrote:
    Good idea.
    Have you got the address where they're staying?

    Ha ha, nice one... but you have to seen where I'm coming from, the american's & brits have been in the country for months, so you would be a very foolish person to think that they don't have intelligence telling what's going on & where, it's about how they choose to use that intelligence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭HashSlinging


    im all for debate!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭ravenhead


    ChipZilla wrote:
    How do you find these terrorists? The US forces are treating every civilian like they're a terrorist. Here are some numbers:

    To date, just over 1,000 US soldiers have been killed in Iraq.
    To date, between 10,000 and 37,000 Iraqis have been killed. Nobody knows the precise number because, as General Tommy Franks so eloquently said "We don't do bodycounts". And you say the Iraqis are the uncivilised ones?

    I agree with you completely on this one, the USA has one of the worst records in history for the treatment of people in countries they have occupied, What I'm saying is that I find it very hard to believe that the world 'greatest nation' supposedly has no idea where this man is being held


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,514 ✭✭✭Sleipnir


    ChipZilla wrote:
    How do you find these terrorists? The US forces are treating every civilian like they're a terrorist. Here are some numbers:

    To date, just over 1,000 US soldiers have been killed in Iraq.
    To date, between 10,000 and 37,000 Iraqis have been killed. Nobody knows the precise number because, as General Tommy Franks so eloquently said "We don't do bodycounts". And you say the Iraqis are the uncivilised ones?

    "It's really not a number I'm terribly interested in."

    General Colin Powell [When asked about the number of Iraqi people who were slaughtered by Americans in the 1991 "Desert Storm"


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    ravenhead wrote:
    Ha ha, nice one... but you have to seen where I'm coming from, the american's & brits have been in the country for months, so you would be a very foolish person to think that they don't have intelligence telling what's going on & where, it's about how they choose to use that intelligence.

    Oh yes... and we all saw how great their intelligence was when it came to subject of the WMDs.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭optiplexgx270


    ChipZilla wrote:
    Nobody forced the guy to go out there.

    He knew the risks before he went.

    His gamble didn't pay off...

    Nobody gives a toss about the number of Iraqis that die every day.

    Why is that?

    Watch the videos (and not the ones they show on tv the full length ones) and come back here and say that. You stupid ****.

    And most of the Iraqis are not killed with a bread knife slicing trough their necks!

    Some ppl are unbelievable. I was of your thinking until i got the videos spamed to me, now everything seems different.


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