U2

HashSlinging

Just heard the new U2 song vertigo. I like it !!

Mr E

It sounds weirdly like a new version of Out Of Control (which is not a bad thing!). Me likey....

treefingers

wouldn't really count myself as a u2 fan, but i must say i quite like this song as well..

DerekD Goldfish

Sorry to break up this U2 love in but I think the new song is crap

projectmayhem

oh well...

i'm not a U2 fan at all. hate them, in fact. but the new song is quite good. the album title is very bono-esque..

gucci

new song is capital puke,u dont need to hear bonos wailing voice to realise its them,edges trade mark 3string guitar playing sends it straight to hell once again.

vox

great tune!

magpie

Pants, as usual.

U2 are now utterly irrelevant and pointless; just a bunch of middle-aged men knocking out meaningless drivel about vertigo, elevation, moles in holes and other such rhyming-dictionary twaddle.

And they had to hire in a veritable football team of big name producers to even get the record finished.

Do the decent thing U2, retire to the Carribbean with your millions and stop inflicting your muzak on us.

HashSlinging

one for sorrow.. and so fourth and so fourth.

Bungalow Bill

magpie wrote:

Pants, as usual.

U2 are now utterly irrelevant and pointless; just a bunch of middle-aged men knocking out meaningless drivel about vertigo, elevation, moles in holes and other such rhyming-dictionary twaddle.

And they had to hire in a veritable football team of big name producers to even get the record finished.

Do the decent thing U2, retire to the Carribbean with your millions and stop inflicting your muzak on us.

No frickin way. They are still writing songs that still NEED to be written. 'Electrical Storm' and 'The hands that built america' were both amazing songs. "Irrelevant and pointless"??

What is pointless about one of the world's best ever bands making great music still even if they are middle-aged??
Try telling that to the incredible amount of people who are going to try and get tickets for the Croker gigs!

magpie

And Garth Brooks sold out a week at Croke Park. Your point being?

DirtyDog

magpie wrote:

Pants, as usual.

U2 are now utterly irrelevant and pointless; just a bunch of middle-aged men knocking out meaningless drivel about vertigo, elevation, moles in holes and other such rhyming-dictionary twaddle.

And they had to hire in a veritable football team of big name producers to even get the record finished.

Do the decent thing U2, retire to the Carribbean with your millions and stop inflicting your muzak on us.

I am by no means a die hard U2 fan but I have to totally disagree with you - they put on some of the best live preformances I've ever seen and continue to come up with solid new songs, and as long as crappy boy bands and one hit wonders keep filling the radio and tv with bad rip off's and social dribble crap - Long Live U2

Who would you rather listen too - Westlife or U2?

sprinkles

Just heard it for the second time. I'm not sure about it yet, it will prob grow on me.

magpie

Who would you rather listen too - Westlife or U2?

At least Westlife aren't building a tower of babel in honour of themselves. And you can go for a pint in McCloskeys without Ronan Keating coming in for a pint with his latest shag on the side, which is more than you can say for Bono. Westlife also spare us the delusion that what they are producing is 'art'.

Oh yeah, and Westlife don't have silly makey-up fantasy names for each other. So Bono, Edge, Guggi, Gavin Friday and all you other Trumpton Village or whatever the f*ck you call it halfwits please leave us in peace. Thank you

From now on I shall be known as Trollo Fiedegg. Join the cue to buy my finger paintings and third rate music at www.trollofriedegg.com. Enjoy.

DirtyDog

magpie wrote:

At least Westlife aren't building a tower of babel in honour of themselves. And you can go for a pint in McCloskeys without Ronan Keating coming in for a pint with his latest shag on the side, which is more than you can say for Bono. Westlife also spare us the delusion that what they are producing is 'art'.

So in other words you like the pop idol make shift boy bands and enjoy them destroying good songs with Waterman remix's? and DONT like talented song writers/singers/preformers.....each to there own Trollo

and who gives a f%^K about names? if thats the case why are you called magpie and not using your real name?

IgnatiusJRiley

magpie wrote:

Oh yeah, and Westlife don't have silly makey-up fantasy names for each other.

Good point magpie

monument

magpie wrote:

At least Westlife aren't building a tower of babel in honour of themselves.

A very nice tower, one has to point out... and they are/will be in need of a studio...

http://www.craighenry.com/u2.htm

blobert

I have to say I don't like the new song too much either.

I've never been too much of a fan of U2, and it's all Bono's fault for being incredibly obnoxious.

magpie

So in other words you like the pop idol make shift boy bands and enjoy them destroying good songs with Waterman remix's? and DONT like talented song writers/singers/preformers.....each to there own Trollo

Actually, I do like talented songwriters/singers/performers. Hence my dislike of U2. Thankfully our musical choices aren't limited to a binary decision between U2 and Pop Idol.

A very nice tower, one has to point out... and they are/will be in need of a studio

Granted. But given that they had a studio in a dilapidated warehouse which was under a compulsory purchase order from the DDDA, did they really need an enormous tower to be built, named after them, and fitted out with a penthouse studio at the taxpayers expense as compensation? Arrogance and greed are a nasty combination, but I'm sure they will be better able to fight Third World Debt whilst snorting coke off models' arses at the top of U2 Tower.

Simple Minds must be wondering where they went wrong

HashSlinging

^^^ what a load of BOLLLLLIX

comet

I like it, a ripping guitar riff and pumping bass, roll on the album....

aidan_walsh

magpie wrote:

Oh yeah, and Westlife don't have silly makey-up fantasy names for each other.

Yes, good point well made, magpie... :rolleyes:

I haven't heard it yet myself, but I have heard that its a lot like some of the stuff on All That You Can't Leave Behind, so thats a good thing IMHO...

SprostonGreen

I've heard it and dont like it.

Electrical Storm was muck and so is this, they are irrelevant at this stage.

And so what if they are popular, Ireland's best selling car is the Fiat Punto, that doesnt make it a good car.

Bungalow Bill

magpie wrote:

Oh yeah, and Westlife don't have silly makey-up fantasy names for each other. So Bono, Edge, Guggi, Gavin Friday and all you other Trumpton Village or whatever the f*ck you call it halfwits please leave us in peace. Thank you .

Yeah sure let's bash Axel rose, Slash, Bob Dylan, Madonna, Eminem etc while we're at it on the name thing. THats the worst reason ever not to like someone.
And how can you give out about Bono? The guy has done more for eliminating third world debt than any real or lay politician. He has spent years meeting with governments around the world for this cause, and then people here just call him arrogant and obnoxious. Most musicians just sit in their 'cribs' using their potential influence for absolutely fock-all and you don't give out about them. 'A nation of begrudgers' rings a bell at the moment I have to say.

magpie

Bungalow Bill wrote:

And how can you give out about Bono? The guy has done more for eliminating third world debt than any real or lay politician. He has spent years meeting with governments around the world for this cause, and then people here just call him arrogant and obnoxious. Most musicians just sit in their 'cribs' using their potential influence for absolutely fock-all and you don't give out about them. 'A nation of begrudgers' rings a bell at the moment I have to say.

'Tis true, poor awl Bono slaving away for the good of all of us, and here's me saying he's a nylon hair implant wearing coke addled priapic midget with a Napoleon complex the size of the mooted U2 tower. The ingratitude of it all.

But you're right, I have strayed from the point. The last decent record U2 made was The Joshua Tree. Since then they've got too old, have lost touch with reality and now make utterly disposable music, presumably more from contractual obligation than anything else. Also, their increasingly desperate attempts to remain 'current' have blasted them further into the realms of irrelevance.

So Vertigo, Lumbago, Winnebago, Moles in Holes, Elevation, Frustration (I'm sounding like a Bono lyric now) are great if you're Tony Fenton, but just a little hackneyed for my liking. Sorry U2 fans. Sorry Bono. Please forgive my heresy. I will now go and feed the poor and starving of Lyndon Village.

Our Guggi
Who art in Artane
Hallowed by thy hair...
Thy pictures be sold, by thy famous mates
In New York as they are in Dublin
Give us this day the Edge's Hat
To conceal male pattern baldness
And deliver our hair plugs, leather trousers and jackets
For yours is the reverb, the mullets and pixie boots
For ever and ever and ever and ever and ever (will the 80s never go away?)
AMEN

Bungalow Bill

You know it doesn't matter what you crap on about in personal attacks on Bono, the fact is that he HAS done loads for Third world debt and until these debts are cleared millions of people will continue dying each year.
Also in my opinion, and I do believe that i'm not alone on this, that the last U2 album was fantastic.
What makes their music 'utterly disposable'????
THat is such a retarded comment.
I have to say that your little prayer thingy was brilliant, i mean really :rolleyes: Out of interest, how many lonely nights did it take you to write your silly little post where the only factual gripes you have with U2 are the fact that Bono is small and Edge lost his hair, and therefore they shouldn't be making music anymore!!!
So have you any other silly gripes with U2? Damn them with their ageing and stage names :eek:

magpie

You U2 fans really are touchy.

HashSlinging

magpie wrote:

Our Guggi
Who art in Artane
Hallowed by thy hair...
Thy pictures be sold, by thy famous mates
In New York as they are in Dublin
Give us this day the Edge's Hat
To conceal male pattern baldness
And deliver our hair plugs, leather trousers and jackets
For yours is the reverb, the mullets and pixie boots
For ever and ever and ever and ever and ever (will the 80s never go away?)
AMEN

^^^wot??

Bungalow Bill

magpie wrote:

You U2 fans really are touchy.

Nice response, just pretentious people who write dumb things, like your little prayer for example, on the net bug me

mise

magpie I cant understand when people say things like the last decent U2 album was The Joshua Tree. Achtung BAby is my favorite album and i know other ppl might not agree with me, but to say that its not good is strange. If u like the Joshua Tree dont see how you could think Achtung Baby was not good => bad. ATYCLB was a "decent" album too, as was Zooropa.

Its easy to attack U2 cos Bono does act like a bit of a tool sometimes, but I genuinely believe that what he does he does with good intentions. He has used his celebrity for good, drawing attention to some of the world problems, so whats wrong with that?? Don't understand why people get so annoyed by him tho! If thats all it takes to get u irate I pity you.

Just out of interest magpie what would you consider a "decent" album since The Joshua Tree.

And SprostonGreen, who are a relevant group today? I dont really understand what that means?

cilamc

There's not really much point in trying to convince people that a certain band is rubbish, I don't know why people feel the need.

That said, I would rather drink warm dog spunk through a f-cking straw than listen to another U2 record.

"If I ever end up like Bono, stab me with the kitchen knife." - Mark E. Smith

magpie

Just out of interest magpie what would you consider a "decent" album since The Joshua Tree.

You just want me to pick one?

Mighty_Mouse

I must admit. I fall more into the Magpie camp on this one. There’s two distinct sides to Bono criticism here.
1. music
2. free the hungry work

1. Music - majority of it is drivel. It’s physically painful on the ears to listen to some of his skeet lyrics! I mean there are three year olds who can write better lyrics. "Everybody be free, like me, wee wee, nothing rhymes with pee" , "lets not be hungry, ill be your mummy, homely, lets win the fighty, nothing rhymes with pope or rope or orange".

I'm not taking away from the fact that U2 have a few classic songs but in fairness the vast majority of their stuff is muck with a capital M.

2. Fund raising - as of yet Bono hasn't knocked a penny off world debt to the best of my knowledge. At least the other whinging prick Geldof can manage to put a coherent argument together. All I hear from Bono is "loike u know man people are hungry and I don't want them to be", "com'on on everybody lets try really hard man!". Let's just say he's no mother theresa. (And I'm sure he doesn't want gratitude and plaudits for his efforts either!)

But I have to admit I'm torn. It's better than nothing. And there are more people in his position who have chosen not to bother doing anything. Now if we can just knock a bit of tax out of him, I might even respect him.

Dr. Loon

Ah... the great Irish begrudgers. Even moaning about someone who's trying to fight for good. There's always a way to moan about something isn't there? You probably have something moany to say about Mother Theresa as well while you're at it? What about all the bands who played live aid? Whinging bástards aren't they?

1. Music - majority of it is drivel

You are of course entitled to your opinion now, but let me just tell you it's the biggest load of bóllox I've possibly ever come across. Majority of it is drivel???! Ah, fúck this I'm not even gonna bother arguing.

/Me thinks of that old saying "never argue with stupid people....."

Jim

The Frames rock!!

mise

Sorry Magpie, I was just trying to see what kind of album you would consider decent.

Bono obviously has an interest in the poverty of the world, and criticise him however much you like, he has made people more aware of it, and the fact that 3rd world countries receiving "aid" not only have to pay it back, but also pay interest on it too.

Mighty_Mouse

and the fact that 3rd world countries receiving "aid" not only have to pay it back, but also pay interest on it too

There is interest on most loans and borrowings. The Third World Countries knew there was when they borrowed. Simply eradicating Third World debt would mean **** all without structures in place to support development.

In a seriously corrupt continent for many countries debt/versus no debt means **** all because the current governments couldn't care less what the economic balance sheet says. The fact that current levels of aid can't get through to the people on the ground says a lot.

You probably have something moany to say about Mother Theresa as well while you're at it?

The fact that your not able to deal with rationale criticism of your hero Bono discredits any opinion you have to offer. I'm not even gonna clarify the Mother Theresa comment for you. It was easy to understand the first time I wrote. Why don't you quit your twisting of other people’s comments and tell us why you think Bono is flawless and unaffected by celebrity, money and power.
(given that the fact that he's spent his life craving it doesn't raise doubts about his charitable motivations and the manner in which he has conducted his 'pissing in the wind' campaign to save Africa.)

Mighty_Mouse

but let me just tell you it's the biggest load of bóllox I've possibly ever come across. Majority of it is drivel???! Ah, fúck this I'm not even gonna bother arguing.

Lets take a quick flick through some of Bono's finest Anne and Barry song writing:

"Hello, hello (hola!)
I'm at a place called vertigo (dónde está)
It's everything I wish I didn't know
Except you give me something
I can feel
Feel"
Vertigo

"A mole
Digging in a hole
Digging up my soul now
Going down, excavation"
Elevation

*moles digging souls.................as moles do!

"Hear it every Christmas time
But hope and history won't rhyme
So what's it worth
This peace on Earth"
Peace on Earth

Poetry it aint!
Putting random words together, writing music with a dictionary, recycling guitar licks, wearing dark glasses and being cool and living on 20 year old reputation it just might be.

mise

Most third world countries who accept this aid have few other options. they either take the money in the short term knowing the implications it may cause in the longterm or else the people suffer. Granted there are a lot of corrupt governments in the 3rd world and much of the money doesnt reach those who really need it. But I think the fact that countries such as the US, and The British Empire exploited many of these countries for centuries, should have some effect. Not much changing, Rich people exploiting poor people, be it in natural resources or aid interest. Repaying the borrowed money will be hard enough on a country trying to develop, without the crippling interest. Hopefully celebrities like Bono and Chris Martin highlighting the hypocrisy of 1st World Aid will make people think a bit more about the situation. And thats why Bono doesn't annoy me.

Dr. Loon

Mighty_Mouse wrote:

The fact that your not able to deal with rationale criticism of your hero Bono discredits any opinion you have to offer. I'm not even gonna clarify the Mother Theresa comment for you. It was easy to understand the first time I wrote. Why don't you quit your twisting of other people’s comments and tell us why you think Bono is flawless and unaffected by celebrity, money and power.

Sorry, but where did I say Bono was my hero? Yeah that's right. Nowhere.
Where did I say Bono was flawless? Correct again, nowhere.
In fact, I don't think I even mentioned liking the song Vertigo, which incidentally I don't.

I do however think that saying Bono/U2's songs in the majority are drivel, is stupid. Also, giving out about someone raising awareness of a 3rd world problem is stupid. Maybe I twisted your words ever so slightly, but at least I didn't conjure them out of my áss.

Jim

Dr. Loon wrote:

Sorry, but where did I say Bono was my hero? Yeah that's right. Nowhere.
Where did I say Bono was flawless? Correct again, nowhere.
In fact, I don't think I even mentioned liking the song Vertigo, which incidentally I don't.

I do however think that saying Bono/U2's songs in the majority are drivel, is stupid. Also, giving out about someone raising awareness of a 3rd world problem is stupid. Maybe I twisted your words ever so slightly, but at least I didn't conjure them out of my áss.

I think most of U2's songs are drivel. Its just my opinion though.
Is my opinion wrong?

I don't like Bono, don't hate him either. Geldof is my man.

Dr. Loon

Jimeatsmenu wrote:

I think most of U2's songs are drivel. Its just my opinion though.
Is my opinion wrong?

No. Like I said. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but it seems a few poster are giving out and bashing the man just for the sake of it. Also, my opinion is that your opinion is bóllocks. It's not wrong or right, just my opinion

magpie

How long? How long must we smoke this bong?

Mighty_Mouse

Maybe I twisted your words ever so slightly, but at least I didn't conjure them out of my áss.

.......................Tempted just to just leave this one hanging for the judgement of fellow posters.........but I will say that IMO you either misrepresent someone’s post or you don’t

ie. you pull it out of your ass or your don’t

In fact, I don't think I even mentioned liking the song Vertigo, which incidentally I don't.

Ok I've provided you with examples to back up my original stance. All you can say is "bollix".

So let's leave the ball in your court shall we? You provide examples of Bono's genius music and I'll be proved wrong.

Also you have to steer clear of the "classics". I've already admitted that U2 have had a few. What I am saying is that the vast majority of the rest of it is tripe of the highest order.

As for his work in Africa. I think I'm clear on this also. I suggest you re-read my post <slowly>.

BrianD

Granted. But given that they had a studio in a dilapidated warehouse which was under a compulsory purchase order from the DDDA, did they really need an enormous tower to be built, named after them, and fitted out with a penthouse studio at the taxpayers expense as compensation? Arrogance and greed are a nasty combination, but I'm sure they will be better able to fight Third World Debt whilst snorting coke off models' arses at the top of U2 Tower.

You are seriously misinformed!! The tower is being built by DDDA and will consist apartments and U2 are taking the top 2 floors in compensation for the loss of their studio space. The tax payer is not out of pocket. The existing warehouse (subject to the CPO) is U2's working studio and is a high standard building where they have recorded their last 5 albums. Whether you like the music or not is a matter of opinion but they and be factual!

magpie

As far as I know the DDDA is at least partially funded by the government, therefore the tax payer (the ranks of whom U2 are not included in, as they are 'artists'). According to the DDDA the building will cost €40 Million, and they have 'not yet decided how it will be funded'.

EDIT: I've just found out that the winning design for the tower was by Phelim Dunne. Paul McGuinness' brother in law.

Dr. Loon

Mighty_Mouse wrote:

.......................Tempted just to just leave this one hanging for the judgement of fellow posters.........but I will say that IMO you either misrepresent someone’s post or you don’t

You should use more dots in future. It looks really cool

So let's leave the ball in your court shall we? You provide examples of Bono's genius music and I'll be proved wrong.

Er... you're a bit slow here aren't you? Where on this thread have I stated that I think Bono's music is genius? No I've nothing to prove to you. You're a fool.

I suggest you re-read my post <slowly>.

I suggest you not reply to me again as the majority of your posts are drivel. Nowhere have I claimed U2 are genius. I have only said that to say the majority of their songs are drivel seems silly to me. I don't think you can simply dismiss a band like that. For example, I despise The Beach Boys and Brian Wilson, but I recognise what they've done, and respect it. I don't dismiss it as "drivel" just cos I don't like it. It's all about taste in the end, and someone who won't recognise this is not worth debating the topic with. That's you.

Personally I'm not a big fan, but I recognise that they've done alot of good work. In fact I'd say I'm a casual listener of U2. The only album that I didn't quite like was Pop, all the others I reckon had mostly good songs and one or two which I'd consider "drivel". That's my opinion. You've got yours - which I disagree with - and I've got mine. Leave it at that eh?

Mighty_Mouse

Er... you're a bit slow here aren't you?

"never argue with stupid people....."

You're a fool.

Um! :eek: I don't think I'm the one here thats slow on the up-take Loon. I think you'll find that boards.ie is a discussion board. Am I not entitled to discuss the quality of U2's music? Also, why don't you take a little visit to the rules part of this board and remember that you should be asking 'mammys' permission before using the internet.

I suggest you not reply to me again as the majority of your posts are drivel.

Feel free to hit the ignore button Mr. Loon (or are you too compelled to miss out on an education?)

have only said that to say the majority of their songs are drivel seems silly to me

Oooh! Is your rock-solid stance on Bono melting a little?

Dr. Loon

Mighty_Mouse wrote:

Oooh! Is your rock-solid stance on Bono melting a little?

What rock solid stance?!? You're insane. I'll repeat once more, the only thing I ever claimed was it's silly to simply dismiss the majority of a whole bands career as drivel. Probably one of the most succesful bands out of Ireland, if not The most succesful. If that's "my rock solid stance" then I don't know what to say.

I think there's a few more people who posted on the thread, who I'd consider to have a stronger opinion on U2 and Bono then myself, but it looks like I'm the only one to cut through each of your posts with ease. Each reply of yours makes you look more and more foolish. So give it up.

You can discuss anything you want, but it's best not to be an irritating git while doing so.

Bringing My Mammy into this is very clever of you alright though. Fair play to you on that one. Would never have thought of that myself. Possibly because my brain has developed beyond that of a 9 year old. Ah well...

Mighty_Mouse

but it looks like I'm the only one to cut through each of your posts with ease. Each reply of yours makes you look more and more foolish.

I'm happy enough to let fellow posters make up their own minds about who's the annoying little git here.

As you 9 yr olds etc.... you just about managed to stop short of calling me a "big stupid head" in your previous posts. :rolleyes:
You did however manage to point out that the few other posters in here who disagreed with you

had nothing to offer but bóllocks

were stupid

oh! and that I was a fool amongst other things. So again

ooks like I'm the only one to cut through each of your posts with ease

yes your dynamic wit is unrivalled! :eek: :rolleyes:


...........aaaanndd back round we go to who's being the nine year old here!

Doctor J

Gentlemen, this is going nowhere.