Which is Better: Frontpage or Dreamweaver?

omnicorp · 21-09-2004 7:25pm #1

Which is Better: Frontpage or Dreamweaver?
Which costs more and is easier to use?

Johnny_the_fox · 21-09-2004 8:00pm

neither......

notepad tbh.. its free :eek:

omnicorp · 21-09-2004 8:02pm

yeah, but a WYSIWYG program would be useful.

aidan_walsh · 21-09-2004 8:04pm

Not unless they have made massive jumps in CSS positioning in these packages, no it wouldn't...

omnicorp · 21-09-2004 8:06pm

well, are there any free or cheap (under €35) packages?

Johnny_the_fox · 21-09-2004 8:14pm

omnicorp wrote:

well, are there any free

HTML-Kit - is good

StRiKeR · 21-09-2004 8:18pm

dreamweaver is better but if you want to use css you still need to know how to code to make sure its done right! front page the last i heard only ie is compatible with it, other browser have trouble with frontpage created web pages! theres alot of tutorial you can find online to learn how to code html dhtml and lots more other stuff! and its all free... when you learn you can use notepad and like johnny saids, its free and you can code html dhtml css java script and alot more in notepad!

Duffman · 21-09-2004 9:19pm

Dreamweaver is very, very expensive.. Frontpage is included with MS Office.

pickarooney · 21-09-2004 9:22pm

Dreamweaver is easy enough to use, the interface is nice and for the most part it creates proper HTML pages. Frontpage is unmitigated shíte that produces non-standard muck faux-HTML most of the time.

Google will answer most of your questions relating to price etc.

dreamweaver price vs. frontpage price.

cleareyed · 21-09-2004 9:24pm

Amazing question to see after all these years. Dreamweaver has been and remains King of web design. That's a full stop.

StRiKeR · 21-09-2004 11:06pm

cleareyed wrote:

Amazing question to see after all these years. Dreamweaver has been and remains King of web design. That's a full stop.

agree with you there dreamweaver is very good, worth the price, but if anyone would spend the time to learn, then they can save the money and just use notepad! best way to do this is look at the source code in web pages, do some searches and read about other scripting and coding, how to combine them and stuff!

eggshapedfred · 22-09-2004 7:29am

it is better to use a text editor for html. html, dhtml, etc are not that hard to learn (plus it gives you a good introduction to markup languages so if you ever learn latex, xml,... you're already on your way).

I'd recommend using a text editor with syntax highlighting, like vi on Linux or crimson editor on Windows (http://www.crimsoneditor.com/).

It makes things easier.

leeroybrown · 22-09-2004 7:51am

vim with exhuberant-ctags.

If you can't afford Dreamweaver, I still wouldn't advise you to use Frontpage. Any HTML that has been saved in it (even once) should be destroyed. If you ask on the Webmaster / Flash board I'm sure they'll be able to point out some WYSIWYG editors that are fairly powerful without being encumbered by Frontpage's awfulness.

If you're planning to do any reasonably amount of work that learn HTML and CSS anyway. Someone with a reasonable knowledge of HTML & CSS would be able to produce a site from an image template and slices in very little time.

jor el · 22-09-2004 8:26am

If you google for 'html template' you'll find plenty of free templates to work off of. Then use an editor like eggshapedfred suggested and your sorted. It's not difficult to learn HTML, I started by just editing other pages. Maybe check a few tutorials online too, can help with tables and stuff.
But stay away from Frontpage though, if you must use WISIWIG, use Dreamweaver.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-09-2004 12:36pm

Most GUI packages create a jumble of HTML - it looks OK on the screen but you might have problems editing the code with other packages and looking under the bonnet with notepad might be undoable. As an example use word to covert a doc into HTML aand then look at the result - use one with a fair bit of formatting and pitcures to get a real flavour.

see also http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/

stevenmu · 22-09-2004 1:36pm

If it's just a few bog standard pages with no dynamic content then you can save word documents as html. If you're trying to do anything more than that you'll need to learn HTML and the best way is with a text editor, as already mentioned HTML-Kit is excellent for this (and looks like it will have wysiwyg soon too, if it doesn't already) .

omnicorp · 22-09-2004 6:13pm

I know HTML but I can't get graphics as proved my my old site homepage.eircom.net/~eoinpage/omnicorp.html

omnicorp · 22-09-2004 6:14pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Most GUI packages create a jumble of HTML - it looks OK on the screen but you might have problems editing the code with other packages and looking under the bonnet with notepad might be undoable. As an example use word to covert a doc into HTML aand then look at the result - use one with a fair bit of formatting and pitcures to get a real flavour.

see also http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/

I've tried it, it's cr#p

StRiKeR · 22-09-2004 8:35pm

i think the end result here would more like learn to build with text editor, everyone are right about that and they are all right about M$ Front Page,

Also agree with Captn Midnight, most GUI editor do add alot of crap in your html code, and they just there doing nothing, end up increasing the size of you page, which wouldn't be awfully big but when you look at it in a text editing, the are everywhere, hate that! sometimes is very confusing having all that crap there!

iMax · 22-09-2004 8:43pm

The latest version of frontpage is quite superb & I believe beats dreamweaver's latest incarnation hands down (have both in work)...

But as said before nothing beats Old School DIY. CuteHTML LE is a good one to start with as it colour codes as you go.

STaN · 23-09-2004 8:58am

omnicorp wrote:

I know HTML but I can't get graphics as proved my my old site homepage.eircom.net/~eoinpage/omnicorp.html

whats the site about???

omnicorp · 07-10-2004 6:56pm

em... well... as I told 98fm live on air one night... it's a business knock off.
in other words, not a clue...

mneylon · 09-10-2004 11:47am

Dreamweaver is for professionals. Frontpage is for n00bs

Depending on your level of technical competency you should look at other products, such as Top Style

radiospan · 09-10-2004 11:57am

Dreamweaver worked for me for ages, although I did start off using Frontpage (Express!).

I used Dreamweaver 4, but all these new MX versions got too complicated and different for me.

Dreamweaver is good for static HTML sites, but if you want to make database-driven PHP sites I just recommend TextPad.

talos · 09-10-2004 12:56pm

Try JEdit with XML plugin

The Muppet · 09-10-2004 2:28pm

Dreamweave is excellent for the novice web designer as there are loads of tutorials on the net and good help files as well. iIt also has the code and design dual view which will aid you in learning HTML. You will need to know HTML to fine tune your creation.

I would prefer Dreamweaver over Frontpage.

omnicorp · 09-10-2004 6:10pm

I know basic HTML and I got dreamweaver but I can't figure out how to use it!

mneylon · 09-10-2004 6:11pm

There are plenty of howtos and books on getting started. It's not rocket science!

omnicorp · 09-10-2004 6:14pm

I've got a week, two weeks max to learn... why am I on this site then?

Syth · 09-10-2004 6:19pm

Well if you know HTML you can just type away and then just save it as a .html file and use your favorite web browser to open it, and it should work fine. Since you're doing it by hand, it'd be nice if you could check that you've encoded it correct. Luckily such a site exits! http://validator.w3.org/ It's straight from the horses mouth, ie the World Wide Web Consortium, the organisation that deciedes where the web is going. You should always check that you've written legible HTML, and FYI you're current site http://www.freewebs.com/omnicorp, isn't valid. See http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freewebs.com%2Fomnicorp&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=%28detect+automatically%29

omnicorp · 09-10-2004 6:59pm

how do i fix it.
(I don't know that much)

Capt'n Midnight · 09-10-2004 7:14pm

Have you priced either of them ?

It doesn't matter which is best if you can't afford to buy a license for either of them.

omnicorp · 09-10-2004 8:51pm

Have I priced what?

mneylon · 09-10-2004 9:09pm

maybe you should start off by buying this

RicardoSmith · 09-10-2004 9:24pm

omnicorp wrote:

I've got a week, two weeks max to learn... why am I on this site then?

Why 2 weeks?

No idea..

Creamy Goodness · 09-10-2004 9:39pm

maybe he took on a web site job that has a deadline and needs to learn html in 2 weeks :eek: good luck boy-o

Syth · 10-10-2004 12:57pm

omnicorp wrote:

how do i fix it.
(I don't know that much)

If you want to make your web pages into valid, proper legible HTML then you should use the W3C Validator. The link I gave you above was what you get when you enter in your URL (http://www.freewebs.com/omnicorp) into it. It will tell you where all the error (if any) on your page are. Combine that with the tutorials on W3C Schools (HTML, XHTML and CSS) and a bit of googleing and wikipedia checking and you should be able to craft a pretty good site. (Technically good that is, you conten may be shit).

It really depends on how much you care about it. Only really do this is you want to know how the web works. If you couldn't give a shit, then don't bother. Then again most people can tell if the authour of a web site didn't care too much.

zAbbo · 10-10-2004 1:12pm

Use Dreamweaver for Design, always have the raw code window showing, dont listen to some of the elitists here.

I'd steer clear of dw's database integration, much better to code by hand

omnicorp · 10-10-2004 5:40pm

actually, I am entering a competition with a deadline for January so I need time to get people on to it.

RicardoSmith · 10-10-2004 6:11pm

omnicorp wrote:

actually, I am entering a competition with a deadline for January so I need time to get people on to it.

Competition? What competition? What has it got to do with designing web pages?

Syth · 10-10-2004 6:28pm

RicardoSmith wrote:

Competition? What competition? What has it got to do with designing web pages?

Maybe a competition to design web pages perhaps?

Though if it is that it would be interesting. Could you tell more omnicorp?

omnicorp · 10-10-2004 7:29pm

RicardoSmith wrote:

Competition? What competition? What has it got to do with designing web pages?

Actually, it's the Young Enterprise Award.
I'm entering a Web-Business.

omnicorp · 10-10-2004 7:30pm

Syth wrote:

Maybe a competition to design web pages perhaps?

Though if it is that it would be interesting. Could you tell more omnicorp?

Yes, You have to be Under- 18.
It can be anything you want.
Must keep Records and acounts of spending etc.
Best, Most Profitable and Most Original Business wins.

RicardoSmith · 10-10-2004 8:05pm

But why 2 weeks? Do you need to start a business from scratch or need to have an existing business?

Syth · 10-10-2004 8:18pm

Ah a business thing. Pah! Business.

omnicorp · 11-10-2004 5:38pm

Start from scratch.
Not big mind... small and local so maybe I'm a bit over my head.

For more info. on my business contact
info@irishdirectory365.com

(Site not up yet)

mneylon · 11-10-2004 5:51pm

Maybe you should invest in a web designer?

RicardoSmith · 11-10-2004 6:47pm

omnicorp wrote:

Start from scratch.
Not big mind... small and local so maybe I'm a bit over my head.

For more info. on my business contact
info@irishdirectory365.com

(Site not up yet)

Your not seriously going to use irishdirectory365.com?

omnicorp · 12-10-2004 5:36pm

Yes... and I can't afford a web-designer.

impr0v · 12-10-2004 7:51pm

A few years ago venture capitalists might have camped out on your lawn, but right now you just look like another person who wants to run before he can walk.

dead air · 12-10-2004 10:38pm

I find a healthy combination of HTML-Kit and Dreamweaver works very well. I'm not a huge frontpage fan, due to the code it produces. I could waste a lot of time running through the HTML created by it just to clean it up. One of the worst things about it is the amount of unnesecary code that only increases the file size and ultimately slows loading time. Something similar to the montrosities that MS Word creates, if I remember.. ugh. Havn't used frontpage in some time so I can't really comment on later versions, but I'm sure its got its demons. I just really don't like that program

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