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  • 16-09-2004 11:41am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭


    Hi,

    I'm planning to build the following rig. I want a good, general purpose, good value, quiet, reliable PC

    AMD Athlon 64 3400 (Socket 754) - Retail
    2 x Corsair 512MB DDR XMS3200XL Platinum CAS2
    MSI K8N Platinum nForce3 250 (Socket 754) Motherboard
    Antec SLK3700BQE Black Quiet Midi Tower Case - 350W SmartPower PSU
    Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 160GB SATA 8MB Cache - OEM
    HIS ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB DDR2 IceQ TV-Out/DVI (AGP) - Retail
    Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS 7.1 THX

    The above components cost STG 932 (eur ~1370) on overclockers.co.uk incl VAT and shipping.

    I already have a combo DVD burner, monitor, keyboard etc.


    What do you think of this? Is it a well balanced system ? good value?


    FYI My starting point for this rig was an article on getting the most pc for your money on extremetech.com
    http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1644411,00.asp

    Flame on


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,304 ✭✭✭✭koneko


    If you can stretch to a gfx card like the FX 6800GT definitely do, great card. Maybe get a cheaper CPU (OEM, 3200, something like that) if you need to balance out the price.

    I would personally really recommend against buying from overclockers.co.uk based on my own experiences. If you do really want to order from them, make sure they have everything in stock before you order because their website is BS (but you'll have to mail them, they don't have any way of contacting them by phone). They'll list something as in stock when it isn't, and don't think you can cancel your order if that happens because they charge your credit card right away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Winters


    koneko wrote:
    If you can stretch to a gfx card like the FX 6800GT definitely do, great card. Maybe get a cheaper CPU (OEM, 3200, something like that) if you need to balance out the price.

    If you were to change to a gfx card like the 6800 GT you would need a bit more power then 350w. The 6800 takes two moleux connectors, and is also quite a long card so you gotta beware when sticking your cables in around it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭Ardent


    I don't know dude - I'm not sure that's very good value. From Komplett, a couple of months ago, I bought:

    P4 2.8 Ghz prescott
    Abit A17 mobo (800 Mhz FSB), onboard sound
    2 x 512 Corsair XMS3200 RAM
    200 gig Seagate barracude HDD
    Dual Layer DVD+/- RW
    Floppy
    Powercolor Radeon 9800 pro
    Chenbro Gaming bomb case w/ 350 w PSU

    for 1080 euros, including delivery.

    The same system would be a bit cheaper now I'm sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Have a look in www.jes.de you might be able to get that a bit cheaper. You should buy your case from a shop if you can as they will cost a fortune to ship.

    I think a good 350w should be able to power a 6800GT but I don't know how good a Smartpower is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,304 ✭✭✭✭koneko


    Yeah, I'd be inclined to go for a better PSU aswell. The 6800 GT doesn't use two molex connectors though.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,415 ✭✭✭Optikus


    GeForce 6800 GT: A down-clocked 16-pipe version of the 6800 Ultra. It uses a single Molex connector


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭MickFarr


    Winters wrote:
    If you were to change to a gfx card like the 6800 GT you would need a bit more power then 350w. The 6800 takes two moleux connectors, and is also quite a long card so you gotta beware when sticking your cables in around it.


    350w is fine for your PC and the 6800GT has only one moleux connector !
    You should get a 6800GT if you can afford the extra cost.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,415 ✭✭✭Optikus


    I'd have to also reccomend getting the 6800 gt, great value, especially when the BIOS is flashed to that of an Ultra! :D


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Some cheaper Ram might shave a few quid off aswell, maybe something like the Corsair Value Select (CAS 2.5 I think). AFAIK unless you're planning on doing much overclocking you won't notice much of a difference


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Winters


    sorry, was thinking of the other 6800, not the GT.

    I'd also reccomend shopping aboot and finding better deals through jes etc. And take a look at the komplett specials just incase they have a part going cheap.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,415 ✭✭✭Optikus


    Are you going to be using 7.1 sound?.. changing to an Audigy Player will save a few quid, better still the onboard sound on the K8N is reasonably good and is 7.1 i think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Johnny Storm


    Optikus wrote:
    Are you going to be using 7.1 sound?.. changing to an Audigy Player will save a few quid, better still the onboard sound on the K8N is reasonably good and is 7.1 i think.
    I wont be using 7.1 sound (ever). I just wanted a sound card as I believed it would reduce CPU overhead and basically I was following the recommendation in the extremetech.com article I mentioned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Johnny Storm


    Optikus wrote:
    I'd have to also reccomend getting the 6800 gt, great value, especially when the BIOS is flashed to that of an Ultra! :D
    Thanks to you all for all your replies.

    Is there any particular brand of 6800 GT that you would recommend ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭StRiKeR


    the gt surly be better buy than the standard! MSI board I'm not too sure of that, I had bad experience with them, one of them board just burned out on me for no reason, I now have a Chaintech ZNF3 250, great package! try go for the Asus 6800 GT, if you dont want to spend too much than get the MSI board and there 6800GT, they are chaeper than most other make, but I wouldn't go back to them again, I had problems with MSI before and moved away then I try them again, and it was another disappointment!

    onboard sound are very good these days and they dont really need much or any cpu usage now! not that you can notice anyway!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,415 ✭✭✭Optikus


    I wont be using 7.1 sound (ever). I just wanted a sound card as I believed it would reduce CPU overhead and basically I was following the recommendation in the extremetech.com article I mentioned

    I don't think there will be much CPU usage from using onboard sound.. and if your not taking advantage of the Audigy 2, do you really need it. I'd go with the onboard and save your self a couple of quid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,415 ✭✭✭Optikus


    Thanks to you all for all your replies.

    Is there any particular brand of 6800 GT that you would recommend ?


    All the top brands perform more or less the same, personally i'd recommend ASUS as all my previous cards have been by that manufactor. But shop around and look for the best bargain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭StRiKeR


    you could use my setup as an sample! Raid is gtreat to boost your speed!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    Get a audigy 2 LS, it's a cheaper version of the zs and has all the same features except it supports 5.1 sound. Onboard sound does use more cpu power than a sound card as well as adding heat to the mobo. Not to mention the audigy sound is a hell of a lot better than most onboard sound.

    Go with that MSI board. It is one of the best, if not the best, a64 board.

    If I was getting a 6800gt i'd go with the galaxy glacier. You should consider a x800pro vivo as well as these can be flased to xt and have 16 pipes intact.



    BloodBath


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,415 ✭✭✭Optikus


    I wont be using 7.1 sound (ever). I just wanted a sound card as I believed it would reduce CPU overhead and basically I was following the recommendation in the extremetech.com article I mentioned

    Ok.. why not try the standard Augidy Player, its very cheap these days and sounds great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭Col_Loki


    Get a audigy 2 LS, it's a cheaper version of the zs and has all the same features except it supports 5.1 sound. Onboard sound does use more cpu power than a sound card as well as adding heat to the mobo. Not to mention the audigy sound is a hell of a lot better than most onboard sound.

    Go with that MSI board. It is one of the best, if not the best, a64 board.

    If I was getting a 6800gt i'd go with the galaxy glacier. You should consider a x800pro vivo as well as these can be flased to xt and have 16 pipes intact.



    BloodBath

    Totally agree.

    The 9800pro 256mb you picked out is really a total waste of money, its way way overpriced. A 128mb 9800pro goes for €185 on www.jes.de , and will perform very close to the HIS one.... For that kind of money you should be looking at the 6800 (which is faster than a 9800XT and cheaper than the card you picked) or with a little extra the 6800U (like everyone mentioned ;))

    On the power end of things id have much more faith in the Antec TruePower over the Smart power. If you were getting such a high end system and thinking of overclocking then you should look at a better PSU TBH. You should be looking for 380w+ to be sure, and get a decent brand - you wont regret it. The Smart power is also louder than the TruePower models (in general).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭M@lice


    Just as regards to onboard sound, a sound card usualy frees up cpu overhead but there are exceptions. For instance the mcp-t apu on the nforce2 boards uses less cpu overhead than an audigy pci card when sound is turned on. I remember reading about it on tomshardware guide. They had benchmarks to go with it as well.

    So do some research into the onboard sound on the msi board. If its an apu like the mcp-t chances are you won't have to worry about the cpu usage. And since its an nvidia chipset i'd say it probably is.

    But of course the sound quality on an audigy is superior to any onboard sound and will have way more features if these are of any importance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭StRiKeR


    M@lice is right, onboard not always uses more cpu usage than pci card, I've monitored my cpu usage while I play music and things that uses the sound card and the most I see the cpu usage was like 2% how bad could it be at that level?? plus if you not gonna be using the cards features, theres no point paying for more to get a sound card when you already have one onboard! mine uses optical output which means less cpu usage as the sound card does not need to decode the sound, the dolby digital decoder does it itselfs! if you gonna spend much money on it I wouldn't bother with the x800xt or pro, get the 6800GT and flash it to Ultra or if you want just get the ultra! its a great card! as to sound quality if you are using digital out there shouldn't be too much of a different if you have a decent decoder, coz the optical just sends out the source and the decoder does the work! not even your pc gonna be handling the channels of your speakers! my decoder automatically switch between pro logic or digital or stereo depending on the source of the sound, I can also override that and set them to whatever i want without touching the pc! I also recommend nForce2 if you not going for Athlon64, if you are then nForce3 250 be the best choice(my opinion)!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,415 ✭✭✭Optikus


    M@lice wrote:
    Just as regards to onboard sound, a sound card usualy frees up cpu overhead but there are exceptions. For instance the mcp-t apu on the nforce2 boards uses less cpu overhead than an audigy pci card when sound is turned on. I remember reading about it on tomshardware guide. They had benchmarks to go with it as well.

    So do some research into the onboard sound on the msi board. If its an apu like the mcp-t chances are you won't have to worry about the cpu usage. And since its an nvidia chipset i'd say it probably is.

    But of course the sound quality on an audigy is superior to any onboard sound and will have way more features if these are of any importance.


    Have to agree, although on some boards onboard sound dose use up a bit of CPU power, this dosent seem to be a problem for me. Im using a nForce2 board, i have a Audigy card aswell, but since having sound problems on FarCry i switched to the onboard from the Audigy. These problems are now alleviated. Go with nForce onboard sound. :D


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    BloodBath wrote:
    If I was getting a 6800gt i'd go with the galaxy glacier.
    Galaxy seems to be the best spec for the price but they're having serious quality control issues, I got one of their 6800Nus a while back and it was DOA, before I returned it I did some checking around and loads of people were having the same problems, it seemed like maybe only 1 in 10 actually worked. It's a pity because with the Artic cooler attached for the same price as other cards they would be a great buy, it might be worth checking the OcUK forums to see have they got the quality issues sorted out yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    M@lice is right, onboard not always uses more cpu usage than pci card, I've monitored my cpu usage while I play music and things that uses the sound card and the most I see the cpu usage was like 2% how bad could it be at that level?? plus if you not gonna be using the cards features, theres no point paying for more to get a sound card when you already have one onboard! mine uses optical output which means less cpu usage as the sound card does not need to decode the sound, the dolby digital decoder does it itselfs! if you gonna spend much money on it I wouldn't bother with the x800xt or pro, get the 6800GT and flash it to Ultra or if you want just get the ultra! its a great card! as to sound quality if you are using digital out there shouldn't be too much of a different if you have a decent decoder, coz the optical just sends out the source and the decoder does the work! not even your pc gonna be handling the channels of your speakers! my decoder automatically switch between pro logic or digital or stereo depending on the source of the sound, I can also override that and set them to whatever i want without touching the pc! I also recommend nForce2 if you not going for Athlon64, if you are then nForce3 250 be the best choice(my opinion)!

    It all depends on his budget. Audigy sound is superior to onboard sound. Your getting 24-bit sound and features like eax that onboard sound just doesn't support.


    BloodBath


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭StRiKeR


    BloodBath wrote:
    It all depends on his budget. Audigy sound is superior to onboard sound. Your getting 24-bit sound and features like eax that onboard sound just doesn't support.


    BloodBath


    wow sounds like you're a pro, what do you know about iso file?? and what do you know about on board sound??? go and check out my board and see what it is, its 24bit! games are using 5.1 and digital these days! what you want eax for! by the way you know much about audio and video encoding? give me some advise pro!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,304 ✭✭✭✭koneko


    Actually, Audigy LS does EAX through software so it would use more CPU power. Audigy 2/2 ZS would be better.

    The Galaxy Glacier 6800GT I have is great, flashed with Ultra BIOS and running at Ultra speeds now with no probs so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭StRiKeR


    koneko wrote:
    Actually, Audigy LS does EAX through software so it would use more CPU power. Audigy 2/2 ZS would be better.

    The Galaxy Glacier 6800GT I have is great, flashed with Ultra BIOS and running at Ultra speeds now with no probs so far.


    same card, great card! cant complain about it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭Jammer


    StRiKeR wrote:
    wow sounds like you're a pro, what do you know about iso file?? and what do you know about on board sound??? go and check out my board and see what it is, its 24bit! games are using 5.1 and digital these days! what you want eax for! by the way you know much about audio and video encoding? give me some advise pro!

    I'd recommend the sound card. I have the top creative card, bought it for recording music instruments, but have noticed a significant improvement in sound quality and processing power in games since installing it. EAX has all sorts of benefits, main one being the 252 games that support it here : http://eax.creative.com/gaming/game.asp

    It has better 4.1 and 2.1 (not everyone has budget/room/need for 5.1/7.1) mix up for environments and "3-D" placing. The soundcard requires a molex connector...so it must be doing some decent processing on the actual card.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    wow sounds like you're a pro, what do you know about iso file?? and what do you know about on board sound??? go and check out my board and see what it is, its 24bit! games are using 5.1 and digital these days! what you want eax for! by the way you know much about audio and video encoding? give me some advise pro!

    No need for the sarcastic **** reply. So what if I didn't know how to open an iso file. I've never downloaded one before and it's not even related to this topic. I give good advise to people for months and I ask one question about something I don't know about and I have faggots like you who only just registered with the forum giving me grief.

    Not everyone has 5.1 or 7.1 so eax is quite useful. I never claimed to be a pro, i'm just giving my opinion.

    I don't know much about audio or video encoding and I never said I did. Wtf are you on about?


    BloodBath


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,400 ✭✭✭TacT


    It would seem you have made a good choice with regards onboard sound, this review is with regards the K8T -- http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjYyLDM=

    This one's for the one you're considering the K8N -- http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjA3LDM=

    Not as much of a performance loss with onboard sound compared to the others when it's in use :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭StRiKeR


    BloodBath wrote:
    No need for the sarcastic **** reply. So what if I didn't know how to open an iso file. I've never downloaded one before and it's not even related to this topic. I give good advise to people for months and I ask one question about something I don't know about and I have faggots like you who only just registered with the forum giving me grief.

    Not everyone has 5.1 or 7.1 so eax is quite useful. I never claimed to be a pro, i'm just giving my opinion.

    I don't know much about audio or video encoding and I never said I did. Wtf are you on about?


    BloodBath

    i said that because of something you said to me when you didnt know nothing about it! you didnt even do any research and just believe that you were right, but no you were wrong and you know it!

    many advise you give were not from you experience, you just read them on google and thinking they are right without having to try it!

    seriously how would you know whats good for encoding if you never did any!
    how can you judge by reading and no experience!?!

    "Originally Posted by BloodBath
    Get a 2.8ghz prescott and overclock it to 3.6ghz. Should be no hastle with the new D0 stepping.

    It would be the best for encoding.


    BloodBath"

    you said you dont know anything about encoding, you did say something related to it and you dont know nothing about it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,989 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    The motherboard is good, but when I was building a PC I had a crap load of problems with it.

    The temps often report way too high. I think it was going up to 70c for me. With a new bios thats down to the 40's.

    Also a very stupid problem caused artifacting, messed with the RAM and caused many many reboots. It was because of the Keyboard! The PS/2 on the Motherboard is dodgy to say the least. Tried a new keyboard, and set the buffer in the bios to 12 keys at a time, and it fixed it. We were going to send loads of parts back!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    i said that because of something you said to me when you didnt know nothing about it! you didnt even do any research and just believe that you were right, but no you were wrong and you know it!

    many advise you give were not from you experience, you just read them on google and thinking they are right without having to try it!

    seriously how would you know whats good for encoding if you never did any!
    how can you judge by reading and no experience!?!

    "Originally Posted by BloodBath
    Get a 2.8ghz prescott and overclock it to 3.6ghz. Should be no hastle with the new D0 stepping.

    It would be the best for encoding.


    BloodBath"

    you said you dont know anything about encoding, you did say something related to it and you dont know nothing about it!

    I was wrong about the 24-bit on onboard sound on those mobos but I wasn't wrong about the encoding.

    I have done encoding. I just said I wasn't an expert on it not that i've never done it. Just dvd's and cd's and I know how fast the P4's are at it. It's a well known fact the p4's are better at encoding while the a64's perform better in games.

    Here are just a couple of examples where a 3.2 p4 beats an overclocked a64 3400 in encoding.

    m-peg encoding

    windows media player 9 encoding

    More

    Apart from the odd exception the P4's beat the a64's in encoding. I could link a few hundred other benchmarks that show the same thing but why bother.


    BloodBath


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭StRiKeR


    the one thats beating the a64 is the extreme edition, the prescott is nowhere near! by the way if you do dvd encoding, what software do you use and from what format to dvd? or from dvd to what format?

    maybe you can try using nero and encode a full leight divx movie like 1hr 30mins to dvd, see how long that takes you!thats the easiest way to do it, and it shouldn't take anymore than 1hr 50mins to 2 hrs, but if you are right on that you should be able to do it in less than the leight of time I mentioned!seens you are using a prescott clocked to 3.6GHz


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭Col_Loki


    i said that because of something you said to me when you didnt know nothing about it! you didnt even do any research and just believe that you were right, but no you were wrong and you know it!

    lol thats rich comming from the guy who kept recommending people not to overclock when he has no idea of how to do it properly in the first place.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭duridian


    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/GeForce_6800_GT.html
    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/GeForce_6800_Ultra.html

    Speaking of the Galaxy Glacier GT, I see by the links above that it runs 20MHZ faster than average on the core and also in the second link that Chaintech have a 6800 Ultra that runs faster than average on both core and memory for around the same money as other ultras.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    the one thats beating the a64 is the extreme edition, the prescott is nowhere near! by the way if you do dvd encoding, what software do you use and from what format to dvd? or from dvd to what format?

    No you mug. The links I showed are the 3.2 Northwood. It's beating even the fx's in a lot of encoding tasks and the a64 in almost all.

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    I don't have nero. Atm I use xmpeg. From dvd to divx format 720x576. I tested the film predator which is 106 mins and it took 21 mins.
    Xmpeg is not optimised for sse3 so I'm sure there are better programs that can do it quicker but like I said i'm no expert on encoding. I just know the P4's are better at it.

    -3rd time editing it, I was encoding while posting and the expected time kept dropping. This was while surfing and listening to music.

    -edit #2- I just realised who you are striker. Ken mate you haven't a clue so stfu. From chatting to you about hardware you haven't a ****ing clue and my machine would destroy yours when it comes to encoding not that it matters but the fact that you don't know how to overclock or that the P4's are superior for encoding shows you don't know what your talking about. Fair enough you do a lot of encoding but the a64's are weaker at it.


    BloodBath


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭Col_Loki


    the P4's are superior for encoding shows you don't know what your talking about. Fair enough you do a lot of encoding but the a64's are weaker at it.

    Yup, thats why ive moved over to intel with my main rig (and im a total AMD fan). Its simple really if you want faster encoding go Intel......

    That reminds me i better update sig, finally installed the P4.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭StRiKeR


    took you long enough to realize, I played a little different here to see what way you react, saying I haven't a clue, when did you built your first PC? why did you changed your mind on getting a 6800ultra instead of a x800xt when I said to you then the 6800ultra is better and you said I'm full of Sh*t? even my 2800+ was doing dvd to divx in just about an hr for a hour an a half movie, i wouldnt be suprise the p4 does it in 21mins, thats like 3.6GHz vs 1.8GHz and yours has sse2 which the xp 2800+ hasn't, I haven not try the A64 yet as i dont need divx movies anymore! if you know so much and so good, how come you didn't graduate? sorry but I did after 4 yrs! by the way i would not have to show you everything i know! and i heard alot about what u dont know already! everyone rekons i dont know how to overclock because i dont and will not suggest that, including you, sorry but I have been over clocking since I got my 486 yrs and yrs ago, oh have you used a 286 before the 386 was out Jason? bet you haven't even seen a PC then, I started annoying you coz you called me full of Sh*t before you did enough research and then you change your mind on what you though was right but still will not admitt that you have been wrong!
    from chatting to me??? I never tell much! but alot of people have been working with me in the past in work shops which we repair and built PCs, install networks and programming, web building and hosting! i may not know everything but certainly more than you, you can say i have not a clue if you have the degree and i dont! good luck!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    took you long enough to realize, I played a little different here to see what way you react, saying I haven't a clue, when did you built your first PC? why did you changed your mind on getting a 6800ultra instead of a x800xt when I said to you then the 6800ultra is better and you said I'm full of Sh*t?

    I never changed my mind about getting any card and I never said i'd get a 6800ultra. I said I was considering a 6800gt because they overclock to ultra speeds and seemed the best value for money. The X800XT is better than the 6800ultra. I've changed my mind again to get an X800pro vivo and overclocking that to an xt as it has the 16 pipes intact. Talking to you had no effect on my decission as I was the one advising you what to get, not the other way around.
    even my 2800+ was doing dvd to divx in just about an hr for a hour an a half movie, i wouldnt be suprise the p4 does it in 21mins, thats like 3.6GHz vs 1.8GHz and yours has sse2 which the xp 2800+ hasn't, I haven not try the A64 yet as i dont need divx movies anymore!

    And your 3200 a64 is only 2.2ghz. Whats your point? Whether it's divx or any other format the p4 is faster.

    I ran it again without doing anything else and it did it in 17 minutes.
    if you know so much and so good, how come you didn't graduate? sorry but I did after 4 yrs!

    Yes it only took you 4 years to become a fully qualified retard Ken. You should be proud of yourself. I'm not going to get into throwing personal digs on a forum. Theres too many things I could say but I won't sink to that level.
    I started annoying you coz you called me full of Sh*t before you did enough research and then you change your mind on what you though was right but still will not admitt that you have been wrong!

    I admitted I was wrong about the 24-bit sound because that's the only thing I was wrong about. You are the one who is having trouble admitting you are wrong.
    sorry but I have been over clocking since I got my 486 yrs and yrs ago, oh have you used a 286 before the 386 was out Jason? bet you haven't even seen a PC then

    Wow Ken you used older computers than me. Seeing as you are 5 years older than me I'm not surprised. You have a 5 year advantage and you still know **** all. I never claimed to know more than you in every area. Anyone can build a pc. It's not exactly hard. I know about hardware because that's what i'm interested in. My main point was that P4's are faster in encoding which everyone except you seems to know.


    BloodBath


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭Col_Loki


    Were you dropped on your head alot when you were a baby?

    Your in your own little world there mate, going on about how great you are on a public forum, making no sense what so ever.
    my 2800+ was doing dvd to divx in just about an hr for a hour an a half movie, i wouldnt be suprise the p4 does it in 21mins, thats like 3.6GHz vs 1.8GHz and yours has sse2 which the xp 2800+ hasn't,

    Ohh dear god!! You the encoding expert is comparing times ? Dont you know about quality settings and the tonne of other stuff that can effect how long it takes to encode ? Also your Divx must be pretty bad quality if a 2800+ is doing it in 1hr.

    And taking the actual MHZ of an AMD chip in direct comparison to an intel one to justify a remark about his system.........

    And dont you mean SSE "3" .......
    everyone rekons i dont know how to overclock because i dont and will not suggest that, including you, sorry but I have been over clocking since I got my 486 yrs and yrs ago, oh have you used a 286 before the 386 was out Jason?

    Yea you dont have a clue about overclocking, thats obvious from your posts.

    Overclocking a 486...... wow your the man (was that jumper hard to move was it).

    And why the hell would you mention a 286 "before the 386 was out" what the f*** is that about. So if someone had a C64 before a 286 was out they would beat you right? So what you had a 286 , so did i....... how is that relevent to anything?
    I never tell much! but alot of people have been working with me in the past in work shops which we repair and built PCs, install networks and programming, web building and hosting!

    And this majour experience makes you so smart when it comes to PC specs then yea? Two different things mate, and if you have spent 4 years in college you should know it teaches you nothing about the actual hardware side (bar some theory).......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 507 ✭✭✭[Preacher]


    !!! Nerd Fieght !!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    !!! Nerd Fieght !!!

    Get out j00!!


    BloodBath


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭StRiKeR


    BloodBath wrote:
    Get out j00!!


    BloodBath

    dont need to get nasty with others, this is just you me and this little windows posts!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 507 ✭✭✭[Preacher]


    Im chris btw, ken :)


    !! NERD FEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭StRiKeR


    [Preacher] wrote:
    Im chris btw, ken :)


    !! NERD FEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I know, heard you found the problem and got it sorted, cool, I had those bits packed up waiting for you before jason told me tho! ah well if you ever need them and they still there just give me a shout!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 507 ✭✭✭[Preacher]


    Shíte sorry, should have rang you. Cheers for the help anyway!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭StRiKeR


    no prob, lots of parts sitting around doing nothing anyway, almost another PC if I put them together, too many PC's and laptops here!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Don't buy Maxtor. Get Seagate, or something. Maxtor baaad. (coming from someone who's had a few problem with two seperate maxtor drives). Also know a few other's who've had similair problems (Master Boot Record going, etc, leading to mass wipe of hard-drive).


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