Rockers and goths!! strange!!

chizzle dizzle

ok i mean i dont have a real problem with rockers and goths but the thing that really gets to me is that they say"im an individual"....im sory but i dont agree with that,they all copy each other in what they wear and how they look,they walk around in big gangs and they are all either wearing all black or all this multi coloured stuff.
every thing they do is based around the music they listen to ,from the fellas with long hair to the way they dress.
dont get me wrong i havent got a real problem with them,infact a lot of them are dead sound but whats da deal with this individuality stuff?

what u think???

Repli

To be honest unless you make your own clothes then your arent really individual either.. there will always be other people wearing what you wear

Sarky

You're talking about the rocker and goth LOOK, as opposed to "lifestyle", for want of a better word, right?

I challenge you to find one of these "goths" who even knows who Edger Allen Poe was, or a "rocker" who knows two songs by say, Diamond Head.

I've never trusted anyone who defines themselves by a look as opposed to who they actually are.

PurpleFistMixer

Sarky wrote:

I challenge you to find one of these "goths" who even knows who Edger Allen Poe was, or a "rocker" who knows two songs by say, Diamond Head.

Now, just because someone dresses a certain way it doesn't mean they must be a certain type of person or be into a certain type of stuff. But I know what you mean.

About the whole uniqueness thing - the only thing I can really say would be it's like being unique.. together. Okay they're all different from the "normals" and that's the important thing, and then they're all together with each other.

Or something.

About all the "walking around in gangs" - that's just a teenager thing to do... No matter how you dress, really.

Sarky

PurpleFistMixer wrote:

Now, just because someone dresses a certain way it doesn't mean they must be a certain type of person or be into a certain type of stuff. But I know what you mean.

Of course. But if they go around dressed like a goth saying "I'm a goth, me!" I'd expect them to know a little bit about what that's supposed to mean. Hell, I could be accused of dressing in too much black and looking moody and such, but I don't define myself by what I wear, nor do I read/write poetry. Actually, I don't define myself at all, but that's probably nothing to do with fashion or appearance.

About the whole uniqueness thing - the only thing I can really say would be it's like being unique.. together. Okay they're all different from the "normals" and that's the important thing, and then they're all together with each other.
Or something.

It's just one of those things. You want to be different, but you want other people to be different with. Nobody said adolescence was logical.

Karl Hungus

People are conformists by nature, and the particular group you're on about are conforming to a standard they feel happy with. Simple as that.

PurpleFistMixer

Sarky wrote:

It's just one of those things. You want to be different, but you want other people to be different with. Nobody said adolescence was logical.

And therein lies the fun.

Hello Kitty

I dont mind what they wear sure we all have our own style and clothes that we like.... some of there clothes are ok. I like the black around the eyes- i used to wear it, but im not a rocker. :cool:

Sarky

To be perfectly honest, that sort of thing just makes a girl look unable to use makeup...

PurpleFistMixer

Sarky wrote:

To be perfectly honest, that sort of thing just makes a girl look unable to use makeup...

True... I've seen practically no good examples of this, on normal day to day people. They just look a bit like pandas. Or if it's not so obvious - like junkies. (I confess to looking like this every so often, only a shade)

Hello Kitty

Yeah thats why i stopped wearing it... it was over the top, i just like the black eyeliner

darkmaster2

If wearing black clothes n all the rest was "the norm" then this thread would be.. "tracksuit n trainer wearing freaks!! strange!"

I wear what i wear because i like it, Its not ALL about the music or anything, but its what I feel comfortable in. end of story

golden gal

i think the point chizzle dizzle is tryin to get across is that if a person chooses to be or dress like a "rocker" their whole attitude seems to change. they change their dress, their make-up and their attitude to things. darkmaster made the comment that its what he/she feels comfortable in,im not prejudging him/her, but in general how is heavy lined,panda eyes comfortable?also during the summer iv seen "rockers" dressed in heavy black trousers with long cardigans or hoodies when its really hot out. i dont have a problem with this,everyone should hav a choice in what they choose to wear, but how could that be comfortable in such hot weather??

Bunnyefey

Sarky wrote:

To be perfectly honest, that sort of thing just makes a girl look unable to use makeup...

Damn straight. I mean, I realise you're being insulting but....... who wants to spend hours trying to put on make up to look good when you can rub your eyes with a bit of black eyeliner or eyeshadow. I get the feeling you won't like my picture from Friday night
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/bunnyefey/Fibbers/Efey1.jpg

See messy black make up that took me maybe 30 seconds to apply. Now for the lazy cat inside me, spending 30 seconds getting ready is a LOT more appealing than spending hours applying make up perfectly.

And yes, I have purple hair too as you can see.....but I like the colour purple so.......why shouldn't I colour my hair purple?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/bunnyefey/krama%20mig/Fest4.jpg

And yes, some people would label me a Goth/Rocker but so what? I like what I wear, I wouldn't dress like that otherwise. My friends appreciate me for the person I am, not the clothes I wear and Im most definetly NOT one of those people who thinks they are "super goth" "super cool" or whatever. I just like the way I am, Im happier dressing a certain way and its what makes me the person I am, not the person I want to be. And I don't hang around in a certain group. In fact, I have a nice little mixture of friends from all walks of life and Im not the type to ever judge a person by the way they look or dress.

Suprisingly I get a lot of compliments from people who don't dress like me at all so obviously its not all bad right? And besides, its whats inside that makes the person, not what they wear at the end of the day.

PurpleFistMixer

Bunnyefey wrote:

Damn straight. I mean, I realise you're being insulting but....... who wants to spend hours trying to put on make up to look good when you can rub your eyes with a bit of black eyeliner or eyeshadow.

Is the point of makeup not to look good...?
Might as well just call it face paint if not...

Bunnyefey

Ah Jeebus, don't be getting all cruel on me now. I mean, Im quite happy with the result of my quick on make up and stuff. I mean, Im not pretty or anything but sh*t, I think I look better with the black mess than if I actually took an hour putting the cr*p on with a spade.

Play nice mister!

PurpleFistMixer

No, I'm not trying to be mean or anything. I'm just saying - makeup is usually used to enhance your appearance - why bother putting it on at all if it's not gonna look good? (People's interpretation of what good is may change.)

(I'm a girl by the way.)

Bunnyefey

Well I like it the way it looks and the girls and guys I hang with like it too so..................

Sarky

Sorry Bunnyefey, no insult was really intended. I just generally tend to prefer how people look without makeup. It can give me the feeling that they're hiding something. It's not a hard and fast rule ar anything. And none of that "I'm not pretty or anything" stuff, we can all see you're lying.

sinjin_smythe

Yeah that girl/guy Chizzle Dizzle got me tinkin the same .Did you ever notice all the rockers goin around with the black hoodies and Nirvana on the back .How the hell does that make sense i mean i may be wrong here but werent Nirvana an indy band id say if kurt and the other guys were here to see that theyd be really p*ssed off

blobert

Without fail, I have found that the more wackily people dress, the blander they are. The vast majority of people just aren't very interesting (this is not to say that they are bad people) but no amount of different clothes and hair colours will change this.

Bunnyefey

Maybe you're just talking to the wrong people so? I consider myself to be pretty friggin interesting to talk to. Its about the only compliment I can give myself.

Tusky

Goths are just nerds with makeup

Fysh

weedhead wrote:

Yeah that girl/guy Chizzle Dizzle got me tinkin the same .Did you ever notice all the rockers goin around with the black hoodies and Nirvana on the back .How the hell does that make sense i mean i may be wrong here but werent Nirvana an indy band id say if kurt and the other guys were here to see that theyd be really p*ssed off

:eek:

Not that I'm a big Nirvana fan or anything, but that's the first time I've heard them called indy. They're pretty much accepted as being a grunge/rock band (well, in rock and metal magazines, anyway). Although the number of kids wandering round wearing Nirvana hoodies these days is somewhat sad, in that the strictest adherents make the claim to individuality but dress the way mtv2/scuzz tv tells them their favourite mainstream "alternative" bands dress. Wooo! I'm an individual, because I'm copying someone different to the person everyone else is copying! :rolleyes: It's a shame that a whole chunk of alternative music and its associated scene has been picked up on as an easy marketing tool, because for me at least it used to be a handy way of finding people I had stuff in common with. Now I have to go back to talking to them, damnit.

(for what it's worth, I don't dress like a rocker. Although I'd love to know why dressing "wackily" marks people out as being bland - with a couple of specific refinements, it's a rule of thumb that I've found to be a pretty accurate gauge of how interesting people are to talk to.)

sinjin_smythe

Yeah but do you not agree that rocker/goth kids and adults go around wearing nirvana hoodies when nirvana werent even that type of band .Its annoying to see it

chewy

you could say the same about mods and rockers, and all those gus going round wearing blazer/ suit jackets and ties, and then even if you are say an arts student who makes her own clothes then tend to all end up looking the same, tights and accent pink or something like that ../ ah well

Fysh

weedhead wrote:

Yeah but do you not agree that rocker/goth kids and adults go around wearing nirvana hoodies when nirvana werent even that type of band .Its annoying to see it

Uh, I've just pointed out that they were that kind of band. It's still annoying, because they're wearing a Nirvana hoodie to show off their "alternative-ness" to other people who MTV2 has led to believe that wearing a Nirvana hoodie constitutes being alternative. But it's not exactly like their going around wearing a McFly hoodie and claiming that they're into hardcore or something now is it?

On a related note - is it possible to get a decent hoodie anywhere that doesn't have either a massive brand logo or band name on the front? I've been looking for a while now and can't find one anywhere...

climaxer

I was a "curehead" for a while in my teens. Used to wear all black - black docs, black trousers and baggy black jumper. I have naturally black hair so didn't need to dye it. Never wore the make-up really as I was only around 14/15 and my Mam wouldn't let me anyhow. I will admit that I did dress like that to try and be cool or different but I really did (still do) like The Cure. I even fancied Robert Smith! Shortly after that though I was into the "rave" scene. So I guess as the original poster is saying is true a lot of the time.

There's a lot of Skater boys around now and I know if I was a teen again they would be the boys I'd fancy.

BTW Bunnyefey - I think you look really nice in you're pics. You're purple hair is great. But only some people can get away with you're style and it suits you.

As Hello Kitty said: "I dont mind what they wear sure we all have our own style and clothes that we like...." - I agree with you it doesn't bother me in the slightest either what a person wants to wear.

PurpleFistMixer

Fysh wrote:

On a related note - is it possible to get a decent hoodie anywhere that doesn't have either a massive brand logo or band name on the front? I've been looking for a while now and can't find one anywhere...

There's a shop in Temple Bar... down a side street, it's on the same street as the Mongolian Barbeque if you know where that is (Anglesea Street as far as I know). Last time I was in there they were selling plain black zipped hoodies and probably normal hoodies. They're not very obvious, just like a hole in the wall but they have stuff hanging outside the door so you know where it is.

.. ahh, I see you're in Cork. Hm.

sinjin_smythe

Fysh wrote:

Uh, I've just pointed out that they were that kind of band. It's still annoying, because they're wearing a Nirvana hoodie to show off their "alternative-ness" to other people who MTV2 has led to believe that wearing a Nirvana hoodie constitutes being alternative. But it's not exactly like their going around wearing a McFly hoodie and claiming that they're into hardcore or something now is it?

On a related note - is it possible to get a decent hoodie anywhere that doesn't have either a massive brand logo or band name on the front? I've been looking for a while now and can't find one anywhere...

no they werent .If anyone else thinks so say it :eek:

Super Glue

Leave people dress how they want to dress rocker,gloth, hip hop, shirt and tie, its there way of feeling comfortable
just be yourself and dont let other peoeple judge you by what clothes you wear and do judge peple by what clothes they were

chewy

this is the point theyre trying to make, people dress by peer pressure, by trying to fit in with a crowd, so they _arn't_ being themselves (unless you consider being influenced by peer pressure a normal teenage thing)




by the way how is wearing a tie making you more confortable in the physical sense

Corruptedmorals

Hey Niamh! Where's Leslie? Yeah, I thought you'd make a thread about this, you NEVER shut up about it.

Jim

weedhead wrote:

Yeah but do you not agree that rocker/goth kids and adults go around wearing nirvana hoodies when nirvana werent even that type of band .Its annoying to see it

I somewhat agree. But, tbh, why can't they wear the tshirt if they like the band? I have some punk tshirts, but I dress nothing like a punk. When I go to punk gigs (quite often) I can be seen wearing my Turin Brakes or Belle & Sebastian tshirts.

I like those bands aswell. I don't like to limit myself to a particular genre.

NotMe

chewy wrote:

this is the point theyre trying to make, people dress by peer pressure, by trying to fit in with a crowd, so they _arn't_ being themselves (unless you consider being influenced by peer pressure a normal teenage thing)

Yeah, I would consider being influenced by peer pressure to be a very normal teenage thing.

Jim

People are they're own idiots if they give into "peer preasure".

chewy

whats that you said jimeatsmenu? all people who wear black hoodies with nirvanna emblems, ties, unnessecary scarves, long black coats on summer days, old blazers, ripped tight on arms, jeans and our skirts which drag on the ground and gradually disintegrate? are idiots?

how dare you they are comfortable i tell you confortable!

Shewhomustbe...

Tusky wrote:

Goths are just nerds with makeup

Thanks for making me laugh Tusky , it's so true.

This thread is funny because everyone is debating over the idea of being unique when the clothes you wear are completely irrelevant.
We aren't trained as a society to be an individual, hence the irony of the gangs of like dressed 'unique' goths.
When you are a teen (and adult) you need the security of being in a group, doesn't really matter which since everyone in all the groups are feeling and going through pretty much the same stuff.

I think the truely unique people are the ones none of you notice standing on the sidelines, or are they just desperate to join any group willing to take them?

Music is now completely about the money the record companies make and unfortunately Kurt's suicide gave them full license to exploit what was considered underground, and sacred to those who experienced it.
Oh how the marketer's rejoined.
Bless the hearts of the little gangs wearing the hoodies and hope that someday they get the point.

Jim

chewy wrote:

whats that you said jimeatsmenu? all people who wear black hoodies with nirvanna emblems, ties, unnessecary scarves, long black coats on summer days, old blazers, ripped tight on arms, jeans and our skirts which drag on the ground and gradually disintegrate? are idiots?

how dare you they are comfortable i tell you confortable!

Not at all.

If your comfortable wearing those clothes and want to yourself then why not. Just because everyone else is wearing them should that mean you can't wear them? Thats why I put peer pressure in quotation marks.

Liquorice

I'd agree with the point the original poster made, that these people dress a certain way, similar to each other, yet claim themselves to be individual. I have nothing wrong with anyone who dresses in any way, but in conversation with these people, they come across as though they dress the way they dress to be individual, not to be members of a community. And goth is a subculture, a community that grew from 19th century literature and 80's goth music, or at least that's what I perceive it to be. I've been asked if I'm goth numerous times, for I like dressing in doll-like dresses and corsets. And even though I read the literature it grew out of and listen to the music...I am not a goth. I am only perceived as a goth by these people because I'm dressed up in a corset. I don't normally wear the aforementioned clothing, normally it's jeans and a shirt, getting me called a 'rocker'. This happens to far too many people, and the whole 'rock' lifestyle is seen as an image thing rather than, well, a lifestyle.
In response to the original poster...these people dress the way they dress because it makes them comfortable, not necessarily physically, but comfortable in themselves. If they call themselves 'individuals' because of their clothes, yes, they are wrong, but they grow out of it.

petek

weedhead wrote:

no they werent .If anyone else thinks so say it :eek:

WOAH! hang on there and get your damn facts straight.

Kurt cobain CONSTANTLY wore tshirts of bands he liked - sonic youth, daniel johnson etc. he was totally into people wearing tshirts of bands they liked. cuz its a way of expressing "heres a band, i think they're so cool i'll buy and wear their tshirt" to anyone who looks. its about giving props to the people who influenced you. granted it seems a little unoriginal now. but nirvana were an excellent band. buying a hoodie with their name printed on it is a pretty good investment if yr a 15 yr old. a lot cooler than some lame tie dyed rolling stones tshirt.

now, in fairness, kurt cobain used to wear tshirts of bands he knew maybe werent getting the attention they maybe deserved. and for a kid to be truely giving him props, they'd be wearing a tshirt of an obscure band or artist who they think is really cool. but the fact is that a lot of young kids dont get too much of a chance to figure those out, cuz cds are expencive and they're usually not allowed go to most gigs on account of them being held in premises that are over 18s. but i'm in my 20s now, and i really liked nirvana when i was 14, and from really liking them and figureing out what bands they liked (hey check out that tshirt hes wearing! i wonder what that bands like!) i found way more bands that i still really really like.

nirvana tshirts are a very positive choice when it comes to the teenage wardrobe. granted maybe kurt cobain had something against a lot of the meathead kids who turned up to their shows, those arent the kind of kids who wear their tshirts now, those are kids who actively saught out thier music, even if mtv2 still does play it, thats cuz the person who puts together the mtv2 playlist knows what todays modern classic songs are, it doenst reflect badly on teh kid, whos already made the decision to be "alternative".

even if the nirvana tshirts phenomenon is totally over marketed and some of the wrong people are making a profit off it, seeing a kid in a nirvana tshirt still makes me think that that kid might be on to something in a few months. plus grunge is really really cool, and you'd be wise to mark my words on that when you're trying to figure out what the new style is going to be next autumn/winter. i swear.

Robbo

petek wrote:

buying a hoodie with their name printed on it is a pretty good investment if yr a 15 yr old. a lot cooler than some lame tie dyed rolling stones tshirt.

This is why the youth of today need a classical education...

chewy

its the "i hate myself and want to die" tshirts that people don't like


it'd be a hard job to find a more self-obsessed and suicide-obsessed guy then
kurt cobain (big fan i am honest, one of my fav phrases of his is "growing up, is giving up") to glamourise suicide like that, i too want to kill myself before 30 and go out like all the greats is whats distasteful...

Fysh

petek wrote:

buying a hoodie with their name printed on it is a pretty good investment if yr a 15 yr old. a lot cooler than some lame tie dyed rolling stones tshirt.

No it's not, because between the mainstream success of "nevermind" and the widespread fame/infamy that Cobain's suicide brought to the band, anyone who likes guitar-based music and knows anything at all about its history knows who Nirvana are - especially thanks to crappy music rags like Kerrang! who seem unable to go more than perhaps four issues without hysterically reminding us that its X days/weeks/months/orbits of Jupiter since Kurt killed himself. By now Nirvana are every bit as mainstream as the Stones; this doesn't stop some of their songs being good, but it certainly negates any kind of kudos anyone might get for listening to thema nd wearing their shirts.

now, in fairness, kurt cobain used to wear tshirts of bands he knew maybe werent getting the attention they maybe deserved. and for a kid to be truely giving him props, they'd be wearing a tshirt of an obscure band or artist who they think is really cool. but the fact is that a lot of young kids dont get too much of a chance to figure those out, cuz cds are expencive and they're usually not allowed go to most gigs on account of them being held in premises that are over 18s.

Well, you know they could always buy a couple of CDs instead of spending the 40-50 euro that they seem so happy to spend on a Nirvana hoodie if they had any real interest in finding out about bands who are maybe more obscure. For a very pertinent example, tell me how many of these kids you've met who've heard of mudhoney, because so far I've met none. I keep trying to get them to listen to Mudhoney, because they were and are better than Nirvana, but they aren't on constant rotation on MTV2, Scuzz, and Kerrang TV. So they can't be good, can they.

nirvana tshirts are a very positive choice when it comes to the teenage wardrobe. granted maybe kurt cobain had something against a lot of the meathead kids who turned up to their shows, those arent the kind of kids who wear their tshirts now, those are kids who actively saught out thier music, even if mtv2 still does play it, thats cuz the person who puts together the mtv2 playlist knows what todays modern classic songs are, it doenst reflect badly on teh kid, whos already made the decision to be "alternative".
even if the nirvana tshirts phenomenon is totally over marketed and some of the wrong people are making a profit off it, seeing a kid in a nirvana tshirt still makes me think that that kid might be on to something in a few months.

No, because you've identified the problem right there. The kid in question is choosing to like Nirvana because someone in MTV2 effectively told him to. There's no real decision there, its just a case of "well, I'm alternative, and TV tells me these guys are alternative, so I must like them". I mean, if MTV2 decided that Nirvana were suddenly too mainstream for them, would as many of the kids be into it? Probably not. Some of them would, and those are the ones who actually listen for the music. But that's not nearly enough of them, unfortunately.

plus grunge is really really cool, and you'd be wise to mark my words on that when you're trying to figure out what the new style is going to be next autumn/winter. i swear.

Oh, goody. It wasn't bad enough that the punk & goth images have been marketed to all and sundry as the true alternative looks - now we're going to get a whole batch of mini-grungers running around, are we? does this mean flannel shirts are going to be popular again? And my question to you - do you think that this will make any of the kids go and listen to any of the obscure bands you started your post by talking about? Or will it just end up as another branch of music being used to make money for the major music labels? Hmm, I wonder...

petek

Fysh wrote:

No it's not, because between the mainstream success of "nevermind" and the widespread fame/infamy that Cobain's suicide brought to the band, anyone who likes guitar-based music and knows anything at all about its history knows who Nirvana are - especially thanks to crappy music rags like Kerrang! who seem unable to go more than perhaps four issues without hysterically reminding us that its X days/weeks/months/orbits of Jupiter since Kurt killed himself. By now Nirvana are every bit as mainstream as the Stones; this doesn't stop some of their songs being good, but it certainly negates any kind of kudos anyone might get for listening to thema nd wearing their shirts.

i was never saying that nirvana werent as mainstream as the stones. just that they're cooler. i mean as far as today is concerned. the attitude of nirvana is more appealing than that of the rolling stones. also rolling stones tshirts tend to look awful. not that a lot of nirvana tshirts dont, but i really like nirvana, so i'm totally biased.

Fysh wrote:

Well, you know they could always buy a couple of CDs instead of spending the 40-50 euro that they seem so happy to spend on a Nirvana hoodie if they had any real interest in finding out about bands who are maybe more obscure. For a very pertinent example, tell me how many of these kids you've met who've heard of mudhoney, because so far I've met none. I keep trying to get them to listen to Mudhoney, because they were and are better than Nirvana, but they aren't on constant rotation on MTV2, Scuzz, and Kerrang TV. So they can't be good, can they.

dude, what i'm saying is. every single one of those kids is at just this one particular stage in their development. imagine seeing a pool of tadpoles and saying "well, they'd get a lot stronger if they just started eating insects like frogs do instead of that pond jip". they're not there yet. in a year each one of those kids will be in to something new, whether its from a complete rejection of nirvana, or from developing their own taste, or from liking some other bands MTV2 plays.

also. people need clothes. if i'm in a thrift shop and i see a dress i like, and a record i really want, even if i have to go to some party and need a new dress, if i dont have the money for both, i'll choose the record. but thats me. cuz i've kind of grown past the stage where i feel like i really need to express myself through clothes, also my disposable income is considerably less now than it was when i was 15. when i was 15 i bought loads of cds AND tshirts.

also. and this is important. mudhoney were NOT better than nirvana. sorry. maybe they're cooler to you now, since less people know about them. but in no way were their songs better. sure they had some good ones. but nirvana had a lot of excellent ones. now, sonic youth, thats different altogether.

and anyways, pixies are the new lame popular late 80s/early 90s band. in my opinion its a lot less cool to be in your late teens or early 20s liking the pixies than it is to be an angry 15 yr old listening to nirvana. if i knew some 20 yr olds who had a band who were really influenced by the pixies and whatever other indie bands, and some 15 yr olds band who really like nirvana and who dont really know **** about anything else, i'll without doubt go to see the 15 yr olds band. theres no contest. even if the 20 yr olds know a little more about music and think they're more sophisticated, they're going to be a way more boring band than a couple of kids who dont know whats going on.

anyways. people forget that a really important part of being excited and liking a band is seeing them. and for 15 yr olds that usually means their videos. when yr older its probably from their gigs. but i'll totally admit to getting really excited when i see videos of bands i like still. i'm not gonna deny myself that no matter how stupid mtv is. videos are good. they're like short silent films. and they can help you get into a band more, cuz it gives you a visual as well as an aural point of view. which is really important today, not for cynical marketing of style reasons, but cuz people are visual, and have a capacity to enjoy visual art, which is a lot of the time missing from pop culture and young peoples lives. and good videos are really good. so for a kid to feel something for a band who they can see, i think thats perfectly acceptable, no matter how good mudhoney are. why dont you show them 1991 the year punk broke or something instead?

Fysh wrote:

Oh, goody. It wasn't bad enough that the punk & goth images have been marketed to all and sundry as the true alternative looks - now we're going to get a whole batch of mini-grungers running around, are we? does this mean flannel shirts are going to be popular again? And my question to you - do you think that this will make any of the kids go and listen to any of the obscure bands you started your post by talking about? Or will it just end up as another branch of music being used to make money for the major music labels? Hmm, I wonder...

yeah, i think a little more kids might start listening to more obscure bands. maybe not mudhoney, cuz to be honest, i never even got into them, maybe i like 2 or 3 of their songs, but they werent really that good. really its going to be more an influx in the grunge/punk attitude, rather than a straight forward renaissance of the same bands that were around 10 years ago. you can already see it kind of happening to a controlled extent if you watch TRL even. obviously major labels are going to feed off anything that gets popular, but if the popular thing comes from more of an alternative perspective, than so will some independant labels. i mean, really its up to the band to decide if their indie label makes the money, or some major label. lets not forget that nirvana eventually signed to geffen. thats not cuz they wanted to stay in seattle and playing to a small scene. the reprocussions are they that got huge, and kids are still listening to them today.

Corruptedmorals

Its not fair to generalise and say that every teenage Nirvana fan, or any teenager that wears Nirvana shirts/hoodies only listen to Nirvana because MTV2 and Kerrang TV etc. said Nirvana were a cool band.

I am 15 almost 16, and I have been a fan of Nirvana for years. I heard of them from my older brother, and I saw the videos for SLTS and Lithium back in the day, years ago when MTV actually played music videos. I don't even have sky digital. Nirvana have been my favourite band for years, no one or nothing recommended them to me, I simply stole my brothers CD's ages ago and got to like them that way.

I do agree that a lot of Nirvana "fans" only like them because their friends do, but thats not me. Hardly any of my friends like them at all.

I dislike the 'I hate myself and want to die' shirts because I feel they give off the wrong impression. Kurt never said that seriously. In mid '93 he was seen in the media as a manic-depressive and he retaliated by publicly stating in an interview that he was going to name the next album 'I hate myself and want to die.' It was a joke. The name of that album was changed at the last minute to 'In Utero'. He also wrote a song titled 'I hate myself and want to die' Its very rare, I have it and its one of my favourite Nirvana songs. Kurt had a weird sense of humour...


I also don't believe Kurt commited suicide, but thats another story and I'm not going into it.

golden gal

party at the wes??by the by, since when do you have a brother??il have to enquire to chizzle dizzle bout this!! we'v pretty much all heard your kurt conspericy thery and frankly im not convinced.
when i see little 7 year olds wearing kurt cobaine t-shirts i tink its mad funny. i mean they werent even born when he was in his glory days!i really respect his music.

p.s. sky digital rocks!!all the music channels actually play music!!

Corruptedmorals

Hmmm...Since he's 22, I believe that makes him older than me..hence, always?

Since when have YOU got a sister???

Yes, that backfired, didn't it....
The Wezz? yes, probably. It was chizzle dizzle's idea.
I don't expect you to be convinced...you don't know enough about Kurt Cobain to be thoroughly convinced of something that it is the opposite of what the media and almost everyone have said. I don't blame you...or chizzle dizzle or Mairead.

Stop it now, I really want sky digital and Im not allowed get it. You're mean.

PurpleFistMixer

Just because you weren't born when someone was in "their glory days" it doesn't mean you aren't allowed to like and enjoy the music.
I mean, if it does, those classical music enthusiasts have a LOT of owning up to do.

golden gal

whatever. there will always be people like you who cant accept fact, rather find some idea that may just be possible and believe it. oh and yeah Kat, i am mean, deal with it!!! (jokin!!) we will see about this tomorrow!!!

Rozabeez

golden gal wrote:

by the by, since when do you have a brother??QUOTE]


um, his name is philip....