Marilyn Manson

Cactus Col · 10-09-2004 2:14pm #1

ISn't Marilyn Manson the biggest load of crap ever?

Doctor J · 10-09-2004 2:23pm

I'm not a fan but I'd have to say no. There are much, much worse acts out there.

Cactus Col · 10-09-2004 2:29pm

acutally ... yes ... I shouldn't have said the biggest load of crap ever ..... sure there are much worse ... but even more are much better

radiospan · 10-09-2004 2:40pm

I think Holy Wood and Mechanical Animal are great, but things started getting so so bad since his terrible cover of 'Tainted Love'. Ruined one of my favourite songs. His first 80's synthpop cover 'Sweet Dreams' was good enough, but Tainted Love and his latest cover ('Personal Jesus' by Depeche Mode) are awful.

And I won't even start on 'The Golden Age of Grotesque'. What a sellout.

I just hope Trent Reznor doesn't go down the same road on the new NIN album.

Mr. CooL ICE · 10-09-2004 3:20pm

I just downloaded a few songs of his a year or two ago and then bought Golden Age..., and i couldnt listen to it, it was terrible.

munkeehaven · 10-09-2004 7:14pm

i just seem to like all his albums..well the ones i have at the moment..holywood..golden age of grotesque and antichrist superstar..and i borrowed mechanical animals and that was class too. i guess i would like him more for the lyrics at the best of times...G.A.O.G. isnt brilliant but there are a good few songs on it...i wouldnt say he is a load of crap, i just think maybe he needs a bit of inspiration.

Kazu · 10-09-2004 7:18pm

holywood is a class ablum

radiospan · 10-09-2004 7:19pm

With his Best of album coming out soon, I wonder if he's decided to call it a day?

grimloch · 10-09-2004 7:56pm

not a huge fan of him meself

not trying to insult anyone here, well... i have some problems with their fans TBH they all dress and look the same to me not sure about now but that was the way a while ago, these ''goths'' all copying each other, seems to defeat the individuality of the gothic scene

projectmayhem · 10-09-2004 8:01pm

plazzTT wrote:

With his Best of album coming out soon, I wonder if he's decided to call it a day?

i seriously doubt that. GAOG was probably not the album he wanted to make at the time, but he made it. and it didn't do as well as he wanted it to.

trent reznor has been pissed off at him for some time (trent being the man who signed manson) because manson wont listen to anyone's creative input. john5 (former guitarist) released a new album. my god that man is a good guitarist... you wouldn't think it listening to manson's albums.

John · 11-09-2004 12:45am

you wouldn't think any of them are good musicians from the Manson albums, listen to Twiggy's bass on the new A Perfect Circle album and compare it to his Manson stuff. Antichrist Superstar got me started on industrial music (favourite part of the album turned out to be Trent's oily touches).

Töpher · 11-09-2004 12:47am

Portrait of an American family is superb tbh.

radiospan · 11-09-2004 1:09am

projectmayhem wrote:

trent reznor has been pissed off at him for some time (trent being the man who signed manson) because manson wont listen to anyone's creative input.

I thought they "made up" ? with Manson appearing in the NIN Fragility 2.0 tour. (On NIN's "And All That Could Have Been" DVD there are hidden features with NIN and Manson perfoming "The Beautiful People" and "Star****ers, Inc.")

I think this was after their argument.

lodgepole · 11-09-2004 1:36am

GAotG was a very weak album, but everything else he's put out has been fairly strong. Obviously Antichrist Superstar and Mechanical Animals stand out, but Portrait and Holy Wood are damn good too. Thing with Manson is that there's a massive preconception of what his music will sound like and what his fans will look like. And it tends to overshadow the fact that there's damn good music to be heard. If you met me, you wouldn't know I was a Manson fan, and I could play you songs that you wouldn't guess were Manson songs.

Smellyirishman · 11-09-2004 4:42am

GAotG was awful

Holywood as Brilliant!

Its unfair to say that guy is rubish, he has a lot of VERY good work done, sadly recently he has fallen but to say hes the biggest load of crap is just not right!

nadir · 11-09-2004 5:04am

I bought Antichrist Superstar and Portrait of an American Family a good few years ago now, and I thought they were pretty good, esp. Antichrist Superstar. I havnt really listened to any of his other stuff though. But just going on that id have to give a thumbs up.
Not like OMFG Awesome or anything, but definately not 'biggest load of crap ever'
At least have the tracks were good.

Civilian_Target · 13-09-2004 8:54am

I'm not a fan of Manson, but I don't think he's bad, after all, he's raising people to appreciate better music. Manson fans become goths, and goths are good. Enough said.

eljono · 13-09-2004 9:13am

I am a Marilyn Manson fan and have been for around 5 years. AntiChrist Superstar, Mechanical Animals and Holywood are excellent albums for anyone into metal. G.A.O.G was a bit of a disappointment but there are some good songs on it.
It's probably not his music that offends you but his public image. He just wants to cause a fuss and shock some people. It seems like its working

John · 13-09-2004 10:25am

I don't think it works anymore, he's trying too hard and he just looks ridiculous. From Holywood on he just went downhill

projectmayhem · 13-09-2004 7:19pm

plazzTT wrote:

I thought they "made up" ? with Manson appearing in the NIN Fragility 2.0 tour. (On NIN's "And All That Could Have Been" DVD there are hidden features with NIN and Manson perfoming "The Beautiful People" and "Star****ers, Inc.")

I think this was after their argument.

they did make up. now they're fighting again. fun times.

PogoMcStarwars · 14-09-2004 1:28am

John2 wrote:

I don't think it works anymore, he's trying too hard and he just looks ridiculous. From Holywood on he just went downhill

He has had only one proper album out since Holywood. It seems a bit harsh to say that he is done and dusted. Many bands have a bad album, look at and say "Man we botched that one" and learn from it. I say wait till he releases another proper album and see then.

~Pogo~

Deadwing · 14-09-2004 8:11am

Personally i think mason lost if after mechanical animals. Everything up til then was gold. ACS is still completely fresh and sounds like it couldve been recorded yesterday, one of the best industrial metal albums ive heard.

dabhoys · 14-09-2004 9:09am

I wouldn't say manson is crap. He's a great producer. He's some class tunes. Not all fans are goths either. I ain't a goth and I still like his music...

Doctor J · 14-09-2004 9:16am

Plus he's helping create a new generation of goth chicks... which can only be a good thing

Deadwing · 14-09-2004 10:48am

Doctor J, your ideas are intriguing to me, and i wish to subscribe to your newsletter

goth chicks=good.

Doctor J · 14-09-2004 10:50am

Indeed

Give the man some space, let him get on with it, some elbow room, gentlemen, please! ! !

Mr. CooL ICE · 14-09-2004 11:57am

Doctor J wrote:

Plus he's helping create a new generation of goth chicks... which can only be a good thing

Although a gothic image can make a hot girl even hotter, it also makes ugly girls an unbearable sight.

Deadwing · 14-09-2004 12:05pm

Must...resist....urge..to...post....pictures of hot goths...on...computer!!!

Doctor J · 14-09-2004 12:08pm

Deadwing wrote:

Must...resist....urge..to...post....pictures of hot goths...on...computer!!!

Dammit man, fight that urge to resist!!! :eek:

Deadwing · 14-09-2004 12:30pm

if i get banned for this, im takin you to hell with me doctor j

Crucifix · 14-09-2004 4:37pm

LordChessington wrote:

Although a gothic image can make a hot girl even hotter, it also makes ugly girls an unbearable sight.

Agreed. That's gotta be the worst thing about going to a concert.

Tommy Vercetti · 14-09-2004 6:31pm

Yes, goth girls seem to be incredibly beautiful, or incredibly fat and ugly. Goddamn them beer goggles

Deadwing · 14-09-2004 8:11pm

Can you believe someone gave me negative rep for the chick not being hot enough?? lol..some people :rolleyes:

Tommy Vercetti · 14-09-2004 9:36pm

Deadwing wrote:

Can you believe someone gave me negative rep for the chick not being hot enough?? lol..some people :rolleyes:

I'd have slapped you in the face and ordered you to get your eyes tested

John · 15-09-2004 12:05am

Deadwing wrote:

Can you believe someone gave me negative rep for the chick not being hot enough?? lol..some people :rolleyes:

lol, classic.

But I stand by my earlier statement that Manson has lost it. Holywood was a an ACS re-hash and that last album was just awful. Although if he proves me wrong I will not complain.

Deadwing · 15-09-2004 7:26am

Tbh i think they shot themselves in the foot when they fired daisy berkowitz. He was a great guitarist and had a really good sound that pretty much made the first 2 albums. And now twiggy is gone i really cant see him coming out with anything decent.

Doctor J · 15-09-2004 9:04am

Ah come on, if we're being honest, Manson is really just a way for middle class teenagers to vent some angst, pretend they're hardcore, and worry their parents before they sell out and go on to be accountants and make whimsical remarks about their rebellious youth at dinner parties before putting on another Sting cd.

dabhoys · 15-09-2004 9:14am

Lol, Doc preaching the truth. I had a good laugh over that one...

Doctor J wrote:

Ah come on, if we're being honest, Manson is really just a way for middle class teenagers to vent some angst, pretent they're hardcore, and worry their parents before they sell out and go on to be accountants and make whimsical remarks about their rebellious youth at dinner parties before putting on another Sting cd.

Marilyn Manson

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