Scumbag touting hurling final tickets

kilkennycat2004

We have a scumbag on this ebay site touting 2 hurling final tickets.
Wonder is there any way we can f**k it up for him.
315 pounds sterling for 2 tickets at the minute.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1308&item=2265225512&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

On a secondary point the residents groups in Croker area are being given batches of tickets to stop objections to Saturday games.
Whatever about football these guys certainly know damball about hurling. Surely this can't be proper system to use by GAA.

egan007

kilkennycat2004 wrote:

On a secondary point the residents groups in Croker area are being given batches of tickets to stop objections to Saturday games.
Whatever about football these guys certainly know damball about hurling. Surely this can't be proper system to use by GAA.

standard practice for any organisers of any event anywhere
these people put up with people pissing on their doors all summer

Mighty_Mouse

How can he have tickets for the football and hurling already?

egan007

Mighty_Mouse wrote:

How can he have tickets for the football and hurling already?

I sent this question to him - watch for reply

How can you have football tickets - afaik they are not issued yet - from Gaa.ie" Tickets usually go on sale seven to ten days prior to a fixture taking place"

Mighty_Mouse

How does eBay work. Could somebody pay him and he not turn up to give the tickets?

Anyways, I think the days of €100-€200 per ticket are gone. Maybe I'm wrong?

thirdmantackle

He probably has 10 year tickets or something.

He said he wants to get rid of them as he is going on holidays. But if you notice he did start them out at face value.

He might be a Croke Park resident...

Still though £315 is a lot of money for two tickets

Imposter

thirdmantackle wrote:

He probably has 10 year tickets or something.

He said he wants to get rid of them as he is going on holidays. But if you notice he did start them out at face value.

I doubt someone with 10 year tickets would book their holidays for the same weekend as one of the all-ireland finals!

thirdmantackle

that is true. Could be corporate box tickets.

Lets hope he calls off the auction as it is ridiculous with all the people looking for tickets. you don't really hear of huge prices for tickets anymore

Though I did hear of two fellas from Tyrone paying €900 euro for two tickets last year...

gerire

KK you sound as if you are srprised that tickets are being sold above face value, now dont get me wrong Im not condoning it and would never contribute to it, but it happens every year and it will only maybe end as soon as the whole of croker is open and there is actually too many tickets, which will be the case for every match except AI finals.

thirdmantackle

So how would you intend screwing it up for him??

Surely by posting this topic aren't you generating extra interest for him? And the bids will probably go even higher!!

kilkennycat2004

thirdmantackle wrote:

So how would you intend screwing it up for him??
Surely by posting this topic aren't you generating extra interest for him? And the bids will probably go even higher!!

Doubt it.
What he's doing is still illegal I presume . Publicity should work against rather than aid him.
Isn't ticket touting illegal?

Yavvy

publicity is good.. regardless, I have visited that web page twice...
also if someone runs an internet search for all ireland tickets is possible this thread will appear...
Kilkenny, nobody likes a tout but how do you discribe a tout ? someone who buys tickets with the purpose of selling them on at an extorsioniate profit ? maybe this guy is a local with free tickets, who put them in ebay at face value ?... maybe he deserves a few quid for having thousands apon thousands of people march down his road on a weekly basis ????

Mr E

I would never ever ever ever buy anything off someone with no feedback rating on eBay (especially when you are talking about nearly €500)

grumpytrousers

Isn't ticket touting illegal?

Unfortunately not. AFAIK it may be a condition of sale that the ticket isn't to be re-sold, but that's never enforced.

You never see cops giving touts grief, do you?

***Edit***

However, I have a cunning plan. His site only says the tickets are Hogan Stand. Now - if I was bidding on 2 tix for that kind of money, i'd like to know exactly where the frig they're for.

If, hypothetically, one were to find a more exact position of where the tickets were for, it's not beyond the possibility that GAA HQ would have an idea who had the tickets. I don't think the GAA look too kindly on touts...

kilkennycat2004

Alany wrote:

nobody likes a tout but how do you discribe a tout ? ... maybe he deserves a few quid for having thousands apon thousands of people march down his road on a weekly basis ????

To me touts are pure & simple scum.
Skangers, touts & "lockhards" all in the same sentence where they belong. All 3 to be found in Croke Park vacinity on match days by the way.

thirdmantackle

You could be onto something there...

However, he could also have go the tickets from a corporate source, a 10 year ticket (meaning he can do with them what he likes) or just got them off a GAA official.

But now I see that another scumbag from FERMANAGH is touting football tickets - starting price of £250... Now that is what I call a scumbag. At least the lad with the hurling tickets started them at face value

kilkennycat2004

thirdmantackle wrote:

But now I see that another scumbag from FERMANAGH is touting football tickets - starting price of £250... Now that is what I call a scumbag.

The GAA need to get involved in this stuff big time.
If not we'll soon have GAA clubs passing their entire batch of tickets on to the like if Mike Burton corporate sports tickets as happens in rugby.

grumpytrousers

or just got them off a GAA official.

Most GAA officials I know would f***ing hate to think that tickets they 'sort out' for people end up being touted. Everybody knows (including the GAA) that the world and his wife wants to go to the All-Ireland, but that nobody should have to pay tout prices.

A cynic would say that the GAA like to make all the money on All Ireland final day, not the touts...

thus, if we were able to nail down a more 'precise' location of the tix, I'm sure the lads up at HQ in Croke Park just *might* be able to track down the errant official and have a word...

BTW, I'm not entirely au fait with the ticketing process - Isn't there an allocation given to every club in the country and obv the two finalists county get a shedload more as well...

Have these allocations gone out yet - are these 'sellers' actually in possession of their tickets, or is the 'corporate ten year ticket' merely a laminated pass that says 'Allow the bearer in to everything for ten years'

Stuff

So basically what your saying is that because people kept on bidding higher and higher for something that he advertised at face value hes a scumbag? So what about all the people in the fs forum that accept higher bids items?

On the touting note, the GAA should print names on all tickets given out where possible, then if any are found being touted the person could be blacklisted. Generally people ont like to put their own neck on the line so it wont be as much of an issue, especially among corporate and GAA people who MAY be selling on.

thirdmantackle

10 year tickets actually get sent out to you for every game.

Every county gets tickets including the handball, camogie, ladies football, North america board, europe board, british board, and a raft of other people

Maybe he is a county player - that might make more sense. All panels gets tickets. You never know, he might be stuck for a few bob

thirdmantackle

Stuff wrote:

So basically what your saying is that because people kept on bidding higher and higher for something that he advertised at face value hes a scumbag? So what about all the people in the fs forum that accept higher bids items?

are you on about the fella selling the hurling tickets? The person selling football tickets is obviously a scumbag

grumpytrousers

Stuff wrote:

So basically what your saying is that because people kept on bidding higher and higher for something that he advertised at face value hes a scumbag? So what about all the people in the fs forum that accept higher bids items?

On the touting note, the GAA should print names on all tickets given out where possible, then if any are found being touted the person could be blacklisted. Generally people ont like to put their own neck on the line so it wont be as much of an issue, especially among corporate and GAA people who MAY be selling on.

I suppose what's hacking people off is the
a) nature of touting itself
b) the touting of all-ireland tickets.

Yes - fully functioning free market, supply short, demand long, prices rise...however, (and I realise it may sound naive) there's a viewpoint that certain things are sacrosant. If you find yourself lucky enough to have tickets for an All-Ireland football or hurling final IT IS THE LAW(*) that you go.

i.e Go to Croke Park, Go Directly to Croke Park, Do Not Pass go and Do Not Collect €500 from some poor sap who wants to go badly...

(* one that I just made up, btw)

kilkennycat2004

For those that don't understand how this annoys all year round supporters.

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=95&si=1242049&issue_id=11352

KILKENNY County Board secretary Pat Dunphy has admitted that the county's allocation of 11,000 tickets for Sunday week's All-Ireland SHC final against Cork will fall far short of meeting demand in the county.
"We have 11,000 tickets to start distributing over the coming days but to be honest we could comfortably shift 20,000," said Dunphy yesterday.
"We don't have enough to put them on general sale to the public. The bulk of our allocation will be distributed through the clubs with the remainder going to former players, who we always try to look after, and others like officials, sponsors and supporters' clubs. There won't be many left after they are all looked after," he laughed.
Dunphy also expressed dissatisfaction with the fixing of the All-Ireland U21 final against Tipperary for Saturday, September 18 in Nowlan Park.
"Well, we're happy with the venue, Nowlan Park, because we travelled to Thurles to play Tipp the last time we met in the final at this level in 1995, but we would far prefer the game to be on Sunday, the 19th.
"It would make sense from a traffic congestion point of view as well as the fact that a shortfall in attendance could be expected on a Sunday. Obviously, we would also be concerned about giving our three senior players 'Cha' Fitzpatrick, Conor Phelan and Tommy Walsh as much time as possible to recover from their senior exertions on the previous Sunday," added Dunphy.

KevIRL

thirdmantackle wrote:

So how would you intend screwing it up for him??
QUOTE]

Easy enuff to set up a dummy ebay ac and just up the bidding to a huge figure and just never pay it.

kilkennycat2004

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neil_mc_dermott 11-Mar-03 25-Sep-03

FX Meister

A ticket that was allocated to a Roscommon club for the football final a few years ago went at three times face value. The club knew who the ticket was given to and they did nothing, neither did the officials at Croke Park.

grumpytrousers wrote:

Most GAA officials I know would f***ing hate to think that tickets they 'sort out' for people end up being touted. Everybody knows (including the GAA) that the world and his wife wants to go to the All-Ireland, but that nobody should have to pay tout prices.

A cynic would say that the GAA like to make all the money on All Ireland final day, not the touts...

thus, if we were able to nail down a more 'precise' location of the tix, I'm sure the lads up at HQ in Croke Park just *might* be able to track down the errant official and have a word...

BTW, I'm not entirely au fait with the ticketing process - Isn't there an allocation given to every club in the country and obv the two finalists county get a shedload more as well...

Have these allocations gone out yet - are these 'sellers' actually in possession of their tickets, or is the 'corporate ten year ticket' merely a laminated pass that says 'Allow the bearer in to everything for ten years'

FX Meister

You need a credit card to set up an account these days, but ebay dont really do much to make you pay

KevIRL wrote:

thirdmantackle wrote:

So how would you intend screwing it up for him??
QUOTE]

Easy enuff to set up a dummy ebay ac and just up the bidding to a huge figure and just never pay it.

thirdmantackle

Well I can guarantee ye that that is not me!!

Though I wish I had tickets for the games...

threebeards

The guy selling the 2 football final tickets has 1 nights B&B at the Grand Canal Hotel for 2 included in the price. Assuming the tickets aren't for the Hill, that means the room for the night is €248. I'd want to be staying in the Shelbourne for that. Interesting to note that there are no bidders yet for the 'package'

KevIRL

FX Meister wrote:

You need a credit card to set up an account these days, but ebay dont really do much to make you pay

Are you sure FX? I thought that you only need a credit card if you wish to set up and ebay ac using a hotmail or yahoo email addy?

Chucky the tree

if people are willing to pay the money, then i dont see how people can complain, specially as he started out selling them out as face value.

if yous had tickets, and couldnt/didnt want to go, and someone offered you 500euro for the tickets would yous honestly say "oh no, have them for face value sure. i insist."

i doubt it

rebelcounty

Bid History

All-Ireland Hurling Final 2004 - 2 Tickets Item number: 2265225512
Currently: £50,100.00
First Bid: £90.00
# of bids: 27
Time left: Auction has ended.
Seller: gaaobsessed ( 0 )
Quantity: 1
Started: 24-Aug-04 14:10:19 BST
Ends: 03-Sep-04 14:10:19 BST


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kilkennycat2004

rebelcounty wrote:

Bid History
All-Ireland Hurling Final 2004 - 2 Tickets Item number: 2265225512
Currently: £50,100.00
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Good work guys:-)

thirdmantackle

Kudos

The Rooster

By putting something on ebay, you're not looking to sell it for face value, you're looking for as much money as you can get.

Genuine GAA fans with a spare ticket would try to sell at face value to a supporter of one of the two competing counties. Scumbags try to make as much money as they can.

Waylander

There are plenty of people out there who fall into both camps Rooster. Personally I do not sell tickets to people I do not know. The main reason for this is I do not want to burn any bridges I have with the people who supplied them to me in the first place. There are plenty of genuine GAA fans who would sell them on looking for a profit though!

Jim

Tbh ebay is an auction site, and if people are willing to buy the tickets for that price they deserve to get ripped off.

grumpytrousers

Jimeatsmenu wrote:

Tbh ebay is an auction site, and if people are willing to buy the tickets for that price they deserve to get ripped off.

Disagree. nobody who makes a bid in good faith deserves to get ripped off. Period. They may not 'deserve' to get what they bid on either, but so long as they don't lose money, then they're not 'ripped off' per se. Although they might be pissed off...

On t'other hand, people who attempt to 'speculate' on ebay to sell something that either IS in short supply or they think will be in short supply, DO deserve to get ripped off. It's a fine line. People who bought x tickets for a certain female performer playing in Meath last week WITH THE SOLE PURPOSE of reselling, deserve to get screwed over. People who bought tickets for mates who pulled out for no reason don't deserve to get screwed in the same way. The malicious aforethought ('haha - i'll make a killing') isn't there.

But I digress...In this instance, we have a bloke who knows full well
a) there's a shortage
b) ebay might be the only way yer average no-hoper will get a ticket

and is fully out to ride somebody for as much as he can.

Thus, by grumpytrousers third law of ebay (4th edition) he deserves to not make 50K on the deal...

QED

Jim

Thats what I meant gt. I wasn't talking about Ebay in general, but rather people buying tout'd tickets.

thirdmantackle

However - if u study the bids it was the people who screwed up the auction who were putting the bid price up the whole time.

The price did start low and would probably have stayed low (with bids from genuine people) only for the highjacking

kilkennycat2004

thirdmantackle wrote:

However - if u study the bids it was the people who screwed up the auction who were putting the bid price up the whole time.

Ebay sellers User ID Effective ob EBAY Date End Date
gaaobsessed 24-Aug-04 Present
thirdmantackle 25-Sep-03 24-Aug-04
neil_mc_dermott 11-Mar-03 25-Sep-03

I haven't heard you mention that the middle name of the 3 used by this mysterious ebay tout turned out to be exactly the same as the one you use on boards.ie gaa section???? Strange.

thirdmantackle

nothing to do with me.

I have my hurling tickets and I'm not selling them for love or money. (unless she is really good looking). I'm going with my father

Swarfboy

The name of the guy was indeed Neil/Niall McDermott who was allocated a ticket in section 730 Hogan Upper Stand....his name has been passed onto GAA clubs around the country and we know who he is.!
Touting GAA tickets is not acceptable to most GAA fans and will not be tolerated.

thirdmantackle

Section 730? Thats not a bad section!!

How did ye get his name?

I doubt the GAA will be too bothered about it

Swarfboy

I didn't say whether the GAA would be bothered....
But the Fans I'm sure would be.!...judging by this thread anyhow....

thirdmantackle

I think the kilkenny Cat is pissed that someone outside of Kilkenny/Cork got tickets.

I got mine through the junior hurling club in Galway

grumpytrousers

A cynic writes....

problem is that while all x hundred people who hang about this board won't be too impressed, he'll still find somebody to part with the money somewhere else. If certain persons unnamed have, however, made it a little harder for him to get his money, then it's a job well done.

The least he should have to do is go up to the Croker vicinity and try his hand at real life scalping there and then. And obviously run the risk of a sound beating from some GAA-head who takes a dim view of touting...

No touts were harmed during the writing of this post. The author does not advocate the administering of sound beatings to touts. Please seek independent advice from your own tout before engaging in contracts with touts.

thirdmantackle

Yeah. Or some lunatic from Cork carrying a hurl!!

Has anyone ever seen or heard of a tout being arrested?? I've been going to matches for years and I never have

The Rooster

They cant be arrested as its not illegal in Ireland.

grumpytrousers

True- at most all touting is, is a breach of a condition of sale, and even then it's not always the case. As breach of a COS is not a criminal offence, but rather a civil matter between the ticket holder and the ticket issuer, the gardai won't get involved.

slightly OT (cos it's music touting) I was at a Thrills gig in London last year and it was sold out. had a spare ticket and was trying to let it go for face value. Tout appraoched me and offered me face value

tout: 'ere - i'll give you face value?
me: get bent
tout: no - how much are you selling it for?
me: to those people face value
tout: no, how much to me?
me: none of your friggin' business....(notice member of the constabulary walking by)
LOUDER anyway, you're only going to sell it on to some sap for more than that
tout: don't shout hoping for the cops - they don't care. why d'you think we pay 'em £100 a man for a patch.

now, that was a different country and probably a pack of lies. I didn't think to stop the policeman in his tracks and ask him was he on a backhander from my burberry clad, soap dodging friend...

either way, cop knew and did fook all. They've got real criminals to be catching etc etc etc...

daveirl

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