Lady in White

hottrash

Was talkin to my father the other night and he was tellin my how when he was young he saw and heard the The Lady in White. he was in the bog in the late afternoon when he heard a cry coming from behind him, he looked around and saw her walking from one side of the river bank to the other as if she was floating. he said he was never so afraid in all his life. she was dressed all in white with a long body length dress and long grey hair. he could see her for a few seconds then she just vanished as quick as she came.

was just wondering if any1 else had seen or heard of any1 who experienced her.

LegacyUser

Scary.

You sure your dad ain't rippin the piss?

Zillah

Her?


Are you implying that there is one lady in white and that she wanders the country? As if if other people had visions of a lady in white it would be the same one?

hottrash

i reckon there is only one. how come ghosts have to be so vague and mysterious, how come the cant just come up to you and go aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and maybe stay for a while.
hiding behind paintings and in bogs that cant be healthy, except for the village perv.
http://www.themodernword.com/beckett/images/beckett_photos/banshee.jpg

Zillah

Are you on drugs?

GuanYin

phlematic wrote:

Are you on drugs?

Keep it civil phlematic.

No personal attacks, no matter how offhand they may be.

hottrash

no man i never touch the stuff

Thomas from Presence

In bog and fen type of ecologies methane is released from decaying vegetation and appears sometimes like a glowing orb or shape. This is the rational explanation for the famous will o'the wisp and other apparitions.

A misshapen gaseous blob and a bit of the mind's imagination works can sometimes cause people to see some funky stuff when crossing bogs at night.

Zillah

syke wrote:

Keep it civil phlematic.

No personal attacks, no matter how offhand they may be.

My apoligies but I was merely highlighting the downright baffling content of his post.

hottrash

this was no blob he said it was too near to mistake it for something else.
the truth is out there in the bog.

Zillah

hottrash wrote:

i reckon there is only one.

What could you possibly be basing this on?

Sandy2004

One morning I got up and proceeded to walk down the stairs, of course I was still asleep and not thinking I stepped aside to allow a lady in white to past me. Only after a couple of minutes did I realise what I saw. I have an interest in the metaphysical and am very openminded - it didn't bother me at all but would like to know what it is symbolic of? Any ideas?

hottrash

these sightings are usually a warning to the person who sees them that someone close to them is going to come to harm.
the cry of the banshee is usually a warning of a death to a family member.
i have heard that someone near me heard the cry of the banshee and shortly after their father died. coincidence?
certain familys seem to have to relation with these "spirits". i dont think its by chance that they appear to certain people.

i would like to tell you about my grand uncle who about 50 years ago was getting ready to move into his council house out the country, it wasnt a new house as the tenant before him had died a few weeks previously. he had all his stuff packed and ready to move in, he was going up to the house when he saw smoke leaving the chimney, he thought this was strange as noboby was living there for several weeks. he wondered if squatters had set up camp inside. he peered in the window and on a rocking chair beside the fire was an old man. he tapped on the window, the man turned to face him and vanished up through the ceiling.
my grand uncle said he was terrified and went straight to the priests house.
he wouldnt move in until a mass was said in the house.
the priest asked him why he wanted the house blessed and grand uncle told him why. the priest enquired to what this old man looked like and he turned white when my grand uncle perfectly described Tom Murphy the previous tenant.

Blub2k4

phlematic wrote:

My apoligies but I was merely highlighting the downright baffling content of his post.

strange that, seeing how it's the paranormal forum

*cue twillight zone music*

SamuraiWarrior

undefinedI was wondering, those of you who have seen ghosts and believe they are among us...do you think ghosts are souls of people who have been murdered or were vicitms of accidental deaths or of any deceased person in general?

Zulu

What I want to know is this...
If ghosts exist - then there exists an afterlife.
If an afterlife exists - does God exist?
If God exists - then hevan and hell exist.
If hevan and hell exist - why whould Ghosts hang around here haunting bogs and old houses? It just dosen't make sence to me.

Lex_Diamonds

Theres no after life imo. If ghosts do exist, its just some imprint of that person.

And how come banshees only hang around the countryside where ignorant supersticious boggers live? Has there ever been a case of a banshee outside the Fatima Mansions howling the night before Anto overdosed on smack?

Zillah

Lex_Diamonds wrote:

Theres no after life imo. If ghosts do exist, its just some imprint of that person.

And how come banshees only hang around the countryside where ignorant supersticious boggers live? Has there ever been a case of a banshee outside the Fatima Mansions howling the night before Anto overdosed on smack?

That's gotta be one of the most insulting posts ive seen in a while.

Zillah

What I want to know is this...
If ghosts exist - then there exists an afterlife. (This makes sense)
If an afterlife exists - does God exist? (By no means is that a surety)
If God exists - then hevan and hell exist. (Not neccessarily)
If hevan and hell exist - why whould Ghosts hang around here haunting bogs and old houses? (Who says they have a choice?)

GuanYin

Lex_Diamonds wrote:

Theres no after life imo. If ghosts do exist, its just some imprint of that person.

And how come banshees only hang around the countryside where ignorant supersticious boggers live? Has there ever been a case of a banshee outside the Fatima Mansions howling the night before Anto overdosed on smack?

another post like that sees you banned

bug

didnt they make a play about this?
Its some sort of form of the banshee isnt it.

SamuraiWarrior

Whether there is an afterlife or not isn't necessarily relevant... Some people think that ghosts are spirits of people with some unfinished business, so maybe they don't have a choice. Maybe they have to finish their business before they can move on to wherever, be it heaven, hell or nothingness.

Zulu

SamuraiWarrior wrote:

Whether there is an afterlife or not isn't necessarily relevant... Some people think that ghosts are spirits of people with some unfinished business, so maybe they don't have a choice. Maybe they have to finish their business before they can move on to wherever, be it heaven, hell or nothingness.

emmm, well if there is no afterlife, there are no ghosts.

Bee

Lex_Diamonds wrote:

Theres no after life imo. If ghosts do exist, its just some imprint of that person.

And how come banshees only hang around the countryside where ignorant supersticious boggers live? Has there ever been a case of a banshee outside the Fatima Mansions howling the night before Anto overdosed on smack?

Yes there has...portents of death come in many forms. The Bean Sidhe (Banshee) is a particular manifestation that has meaning to the individual that hears/sees it.Usually associated with particular families but...

Unfortunately with most of the great unwashed going around with their head up their butts or their minds chemically altered thru' drink or drugs the masses miss the bleedin' obvious so to speak!

Bee

clearz

I was walking up along side the river one day when the lady in white came up and attacked me.

She was some skanager in a white adidas tracksuit becide the liffey.

keu

how can you see into my soul, like open doors
leading you down into my core where I,ve become so numb
without a soul, my spirit sleeping somewhere cold, until you find it there and lead it back...home.

wake me up inside, wake me up inside, call my name and save me from the dark, la la la la...

anyway....the gist of it is, everything is energy, einsteins theory of relativity proves that all matter is energy, just resonating at different levels (speeds).
Scientists have disciovered that our dna helps us convert light into energy, much like the process of photsynthesis in plants.
It provides the energy which gives us life.
When we die, that energy does not cease to exist, the resonance we emit is itself a form of light, depending on how you lived, how you felt, your energy will "sing its own song" so to speak.
Imagine now that resonace has a pattern and those patterns get locked into all cellular structures. Your relatives..your home, your clothes, your jewellery, your furniture.
This pattern is referred to as cellular memory, and we live on (in a way) in that form. the song I quoted above has significance for me, when I meet people, I can tune into that "cellular memory", and give it life..so to speak.
This is often portrayed as mediumship, just breathing life into an energy pattern.

Heaven and hell also fall within these categories. I've breathed in some ****ty energy and I've breathed in some amazing amazing energy, pure stuff. ( I call this heaven..nice place to be and you won't have a clue what I'm talking about unless you've experienced it)

Ghosts and spirits are the same thing, patterns left in houses, places etc..what is refered to as residual energy, those which seem to have more "life" to them, are getting energy from somewhere, usually from the living.


edit: I dunno what the banshee is, but I know loads of people who have seen or heard her. (have had a few moments myself but always put it down to something else, usually she appears or is heard weeping when someone belonging to a specific familes passes ....all those Irish families with O' surnames.)

GuanYin

clearz wrote:

I was walking up along side the river one day when the lady in white came up and attacked me.

She was some skanager in a white adidas tracksuit becide the liffey.

Clearz banned for one week.

Perhaps you've missed the previous warninsg to users on this thread about staying on topic.

keu

What I want to know is this...
If ghosts exist - then there exists an afterlife.
If an afterlife exists - does God exist?
If God exists - then hevan and hell exist.
If hevan and hell exist - why whould Ghosts hang around here haunting bogs and old houses? It just dosen't make sence to me.

see post above and then consider that "God" has always been referred to as "the light". or the "all that is" and so on and so forth.....

Zulu

keu wrote:

see post above and then consider that "God" has always been referred to as "the light". or the "all that is" and so on and so forth.....

Sorry keu - you may have missed my point - or perhaps I'm missing yours
It's more to do with why would a person hang around after death? In this case - the BanShee - why would you devote x period of time informing people that close relatives are going to die? and why would you do this by scaring them?

keu

well..in my perception, (I did my best to describe spirit energy as celular memory, or how I perceive it) those parts that I described as heaven and hell, the ****ty energy can be brought up to speed ..so to speak... and can change its resonance. )I spose symbolically its like going from a state of "hell" to a higher state/"heaven") so its not so much that they are "hanging around" in so much as they are locked within a particular pattern.

The banshee thing I don't really get. I wouldn't mind but I had an experience not so long ago where I heard a wailing noise outside the house very early in the wee hours of the mourning. I don't know was it the fact that this thread was here but my instant reaction was thats the feckin banshee.... I did get a bit spooked and naturally I started thinking..oh someones going to die. Two days later my uncle (an o'sullivan) dropped dead suddenly.

why would they be informed? Jesus..I really don't know, thats the bit I don't get. As it seems to be relative to particular families, maybe its a certain "cellular memory" which is "programmed" to operate that way.??? (I know that sounds mad..but in plain English, sounds a bit like a curse)

Zulu

Well the concept of hell tends to paint a very poor picture of horror and torment, linking this to energy, be it memory bound or not is hard for me to concieve. Perhaps I stuided physics too long. ...but it holds more crediance for me than the personification of energy (ghosts).
I can understand that we transform to a different form of energy when we die - but the energy can all be accounted for (decay for example) according to modern physics, where then, this residue comes from is beyond me, and I guess my major stumbling block. (well that coupled with the fact I haven't experienced anything I find unexplainable)

keu

theres a few pics at Praofi.org where the presence of "residual energy" is very apparant.

in the enhanced photos section there are two identical images, one has a very distinct shadowy figure in it comming down the stairs(images 3 & 4)

in the second library the figure is repeated in frame 3 although these images were taken on seperate investigations.

what do you think?

Zulu

Sorry keu I don't mean to be awkard - but not much really.
Sure, haven't I seen Brittney Spears naked on the interweb!

Seriously though, I'm never going to be convinced by a photo; that effect is very easily reproduced in a dark room. An plausable explination of where the energy comes from/why it maintains a human fugure would be more convincing than a photo.

keu

well..to be fair, I wouldnt like to convince you of anything, I'm really just trying to describe from my own experience how I understand it. (I've had some experiences which provoked me to)

Essentially the question your asking me is like, how did the universe begin..I don't really know, but IMO..thats where all that energy comes from.
The reactions and situations which are bi-prodcuts of that energy form life as we know it, including us.

To use an analogy, when a star dies, there are many bi-products..it doesn't just dissapear and cease to exist, A star will become either a black dwarf, neutron star, or black hole, depending on how massive it was. I dunno if this explanation does what I'm trying to convey any justice...but I am trying.

With regard to why would a human figure retain its shape, in this instance I would consider this an energy pattern which is "locked". This is resdiual energy, I spose it would be similar to the formation of fossils, the fossils aren't actually there, they are just ghosts of the animal/plant life form which was locked into the structure and developed its own form over time and in some cellular way, the memory or pattern of the figure is retained/locked within an energy field.

keu

oh..and just want to add, about hell....I described a state of being/mind, not a place of toture or torment but...
I don't know if you will relate, but y'know when people get depressed or down..to the point wher life is unbearable and they take their life. whatever pains caused them to feel that way (hell torment, turmoil) are the energy patterns I'm talking about. This particular resonance (which if it was a painting would be dark and gloomy and hell like) gets locked. It stays that way until as evenescence so nicely put it, "unti l you find me there and lead me..back...Home (bringing that resonance up to the speed of light again)

keu

I reckon the only solution to rid ourselves of the hag is to eliminate all surnames which begin with O'.
just get rid of it, lets end the days of the hag.

Zulu

keu wrote:

I reckon the only solution to rid ourselves of the hag is to eliminate all surnames which begin with O'.
just get rid of it, lets end the days of the hag.

...did I miss somehing? She only appear to people whos surname begin with O?? ...you've gotta be kidding me!

GuanYin

Zulu wrote:

...did I miss somehing? She only appear to people whos surname begin with O?? ...you've gotta be kidding me!

Actually if you read the source legends it was originally only noble families so that was names with Mc or Mac and NOT O'. However I guess myths change over time.....

keu

I've heard the stupid cow anytime a member of my maiden family passes..all surnames being with O'. (my mother and her father heard too..all O'sullivans, in fact I've never heard the mac myth)

anyways..isn't mac or mc mean the same thing as O'?
(of the family of or the sons of the sons of..)

Anyone who has ever shared the stories with me have been generations of families with O' surnames.

lets get rid of the O's and the macs just to be sure...

keu

I got curious.

Bean Sidhe - In Irish folklore, the Bean Sidhe (woman of the hills) is a spirit or fairy who presage a death by wailing. She is popularly known as the Banshee. She visits a household and by wailing she warns them that a member of their family is about to die. When a Banshee is caught, she is obliged to tell the name of the doomed. The antiquity of this concept is vouched for by the fact that the Morrigan, in a poem from the 8th century, is described as washing spoils and entrails. It was believed in County Clare that Richard the Clare, the Norman leader of the 12th century, had met a horrible beldame, washing armor and rich robes "until the red gore churned in her hands", who warned him of the destruction of his host. The Bean Sidhe has long streaming hair and is dressed in a gray cloak over a green dress. Her eyes are fiery red from the constant weeping. When multiple Banshees wail together, it will herald the death of someone very great or holy. The Scottish version of the Banshee is the Bean Nighe. Aiobhill is the banshee of the Dalcassians of North Munster, and Cliodna is the banshee of the MacCarthys and other families of South Munster.

the banshee in Irish mythology is derived from the gaelic bean sidhe, meaning spirit woman. they are remanants of the Tutha de Dannan. Traditionally some Irish families has a spirit associated with them and the bean sidhe might make an appearance before the death of a family member. The bean sidhe is particularly well known for her mournful cry or wailing which deaths are heralded. She is invariabley dressed in white, with long hair which she brushes with a silver comb.

this suggests that familes originating from the tutha de dannan, I'm not an expert in family heraldry, but I'm assuming then that the O'sullivans are derived from the tutha de dannan (as with mac or mc)

also supports my dna cellular memory theory.

linky

keu

was just on the fone to my mother asking her about and without revealing the information I just brought up, she said the McCarthys and O' Sullivans are the same family. Apparantly originally mcCarthys, two brothers had a falling out and one literally Took the eye out of the other hence O' Sullivan (suil amhain) family origins.
Funny thing is, my mother was blinded in one eye when she was a child too, so her name seems very profoundly relative.

stevenmu

Zulu wrote:

An plausable explination of where the energy comes from/why it maintains a human fugure would be more convincing than a photo.

I'm sure we've all had the experience at night or in low light conditions where you catch a glimpse of something quickly and you actually see it as something else. This is, obviously enough, because you're brain interprets what you see to be something other than what it actually see. With sight in general basically electrical signals are sent along the optic nerve into your brain which generates a picture based on them. Experiments have been done, putting electrodes into peoples brains and sending a current in (don't know how they got volunteers for that one :eek: ). The people reported seeing lights flashing or glowing ball shapes depending on the type of current sent.

When people "see" these residual energies, they're not seeing light reflecting off an object like we usually do, parts of their brain are sensitive to these energies and they trigger signals which get added to the visual picture (just like with the electrodes above). Either because your brain is used to associating these energies with people, or because it can recognise some form of sentience in them it interprets and displays these energies as having human forms. Some people are more sensitive to sensing these energies than others, they've been portrayed in various cultures and religions as having a 3rd eye on their forehead, I think the image is common enough that you've probably seen it somewhere.

Of course this doesn't explain why photos show it in human form or why the energy hangs around after we die but if I knew everything then I wouldn't be hanging around on this rock with the rest of you puny mortals

keu

Scientists have disciovered that our dna helps us convert light into energy, much like the process of photsynthesis in plants.

and then we convert that energy into matter, by way of turning our thoughts (which travels faster than the speed of light) into actions.
Just because we don't see our thoughts, doesn't mean they don't exist. What science registers as eletrical impulses in the brain, hardly do justice to the intricate detail that are thoughts. I would think spirit sits somewhere along the same lines. (science may register emf readings and so forth but it does little justice to the wonder of what actually goes on.

(and teh word was made flesh sort of theory..heh)

all very interesting innit?

stevenmu

keu wrote:

our thoughts (which travels faster than the speed of light)

I know this is pretty irrelevant to your point and you possibly didn't mean this as literally as I'm taking it but could you explain this part a bit for me ? I'm not sure where our thoughts are travelling from/to ? Or do you just mean it the same way as to "think quickly" , which doesn't relate to an actuall speed.

keu

in the conetxt of how our dna helps us convert light to energy, (the energy which sustains life, makes our hearts pump and our brains work) the one thing you can do which disobeys the laws of physics is to think. thought is not limited to gravity etc..its probably the most basic form of "physical human energy" even though its not "physical"..thoughtform works on the same principles as as lightwaves, but as you can't see thought, (its not matter) it is light in its purest (least dense..therfore travelling faster than) form.

does any of that make sense?

Zulu

stevenmu wrote:

Of course this doesn't explain why photos show it in human form or why the energy hangs around after we die but if I knew everything then I wouldn't be hanging around on this rock with the rest of you puny mortals

you see thats exactly it. Going on the "third eye" theory - surly we would either need to be inside the ghost in order to perceive them, or we would need some other apparatus outside of our skull to detect the energy being given off.
ghosts showing up on photos just stinks to me of a hoax. If they can be detected by camera then they either emit or diffract light, is either case this causes issues with the current understand of energy.

As for passing currents over parts of the brain causing the apparition of colours/ flashed - I don't see the relevance. The brain works by electrochemical currents, naturally an externally induced current to the correct part of the brain who cause vision anomaly's.

keu

Going on the "third eye" theory - surly we would either need to be inside the ghost in order to perceive them, or we would need some other apparatus outside of our skull to detect the energy being given off.

I would go with the former Zulu. I know its hard to digest, but if you consder that residue as nothing more than "thought forms" than as a lightwave, if you come into contact with it, it becomes part of you. Symbolism is the language of spirit, so you can in a sense pick up the residual thought forms (spirit/lightwaves) and so in a sense the "ghost" is literly within you.

(this is how mediums work..they just know what they are looking for and can verbalise those thought forms)

Zulu

keu wrote:

in the conetxt of how our dna helps us convert light to energy, (the energy which sustains life, makes our hearts pump and our brains work) the one thing you can do which disobeys the laws of physics is to think. thought is not limited to gravity etc..its probably the most basic form of "physical human energy" even though its not "physical"..thoughtform works on the same principles as as lightwaves, but as you can't see thought, (its not matter) it is light in its purest (least dense..therfore travelling faster than) form.

does any of that make sense?

This isn't really true in fairness. Your thinking is directly linkled to brain-wave patterns. These are electrochemical impulses. Effectivly your taughts travel at the speed of an electronic pulse through brain matter. This isn't faster than the speed of light in a vacum I'm afraid. :cool:

stevenmu

keu wrote:

in the conetxt of how our dna helps us convert light to energy, (the energy which sustains life, makes our hearts pump and our brains work) the one thing you can do which disobeys the laws of physics is to think. thought is not limited to gravity etc..its probably the most basic form of "physical human energy" even though its not "physical"..thoughtform works on the same principles as as lightwaves, but as you can't see thought, (its not matter) it is light in its purest (least dense..therfore travelling faster than) form.

does any of that make sense?

I understand what you're saying, I have a similar view on light/energy and thought*. I disagree slightly with thought disobeying the laws of physics, there aren't really any laws that I know of that govern it (unless a thought as some discernible mass then theres no reason it can't go faster than light). I can see how thought can be be measured in thought's per second or omething like that but because each thought isn't really quantifiable I don't see how you can assign a speed to it, be it slower or faster than the speed of light.


*Personally I prefer to think in terms of electromagnetic waves, of which light is a type, it's just easier on the scientific parts of my mind. I think that each thought is formed by both the electromagnetic energies around us (our spirit or soul as it's more commonly known) and electrical impulses jumping between neurons in our brain that scientists can see and measure. I think that more "important" spiritual thoughts are influenced more by the energies around us and baser thoughts such as being hungry (it is nearly lunch time after all ) are influenced more by our physical brains. Come to think of it I think that's kind of what you're getting at ?

Zulu

keu wrote:

I would go with the former Zulu. I know its hard to digest, but if you consder that residue as nothing more than "thought forms" than as a lightwave, if you come into contact with it, it becomes part of you.

Fair enough, it is more plausable to me than the latter - but then these photos must be a hoax. ??

Zulu

stevenmu wrote:

I think that more "important" spiritual thoughts are influenced more by the energies around us and baser thoughts such as being hungry (it is nearly lunch time after all ) are influenced more by our physical brains. Come to think of it I think that's kind of what you're getting at ?

Well, if that was true - why do lobotomised people change their taughts so evidently. If our "higher" taughts were goverened by outside factors, then a lobotomy wouldn't/couldn't effect these; unfortunatly it does.
I'd be in the "my brain does all my thinking" camp, on this one.