Vegetarianism

omnicorp

I am a Vegetarian.
People have said it's hard. It's not.
People have said I'm wrong. I'm not.

What do people have against Vegetarians?

Boston

It's probably the selfrightous attitude that goes with it

Venom

Boston wrote:

It's probably the selfrightous attitude that goes with it

Agreed. Fanatics the lot of them.

bizmark

Peta enough said

chewy

see the things is i do have a problem with mass production of food, battery cages etc, just seeing the recent footage of the best kfc factory 2003 where they droped kicked live chickens... and then amount they mess with them to get it to your plate... its disgusting but i don't nescessarily have a problem with eating animals or killing them...

thats just about enough reason to avoid mass produced meat.. (which i inevitably is what i eat)..

but i don't believe in reincarnation (altough i can't rule it out)i think animals are a lower form of life god bless em...

if somehow i lived on a farm i would preferrably raise and kill animals and eat them...

one may suggest the only way to reduce the amount of mass production and suffering of animals is to go veggie... and then if enough people do that same the demand for mass produced meat would reduce... something i would be in favour of but then...

ah i dunno who wants a sausage?

seamus

Boston wrote:

It's probably the selfrightous attitude that goes with it

<insert well-worn joke here involving a pot and a kettle>
I've yet to meet a selfrighteous vegetarian. Most keep to themselves and don't complain about other people eating meat.

omnicorp

Well to scare the living beef burgers out of you read "Fast-Food Nation" by Eric Schausser.

Your "110% pure beef burger" at McDonald's has Faeces (Human and Otherwise), Beef flavourings, Additives, Colours, Urine, Other Animal Meats, Bacteria, Viruses', Fungi and more in it.

Like one Employee said "It's all just add water, Add boiling Water"

JasonRoberts

seamus wrote:

<insert well-worn joke here involving a pot and a kettle>
I've yet to meet a selfrighteous vegetarian. Most keep to themselves and don't complain about other people eating meat.

I'm a vegetarian too,but i'v never intentionaly imposed my views on anyone, unless they ask about my views. however i found that if i mention off hand that theres a certain animal in a certain food, that i'm some how forcing information down there mouth.
i think live and let live

omnicorp

I don't force my views on anyone either but if there's something they need to know or that they don't know, I'll tell them.

If they don't know that they're doing wrong and you do, you're just as bad.

ur mentor

What do you care what others think?

As they say in New Hampshire, US

'Live free or die'

omnicorp

I should care what others think or else I'd be a bit self-centred.

Syth

But if you're not supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out of food?

frany

I just enjoy many kind of vegetables but I enjoy meats as well.

I think Protein is necessary to human but Vits are also necessary.

So I enjoy meats with lots of vegetables together.

l3rian

Your "110% pure beef burger" at McDonald's has Faeces (Human and Otherwise), Beef flavourings, Additives, Colours, Urine, Other Animal Meats, Bacteria, Viruses', Fungi and more in it.

woow the only Faeces around here is the bull**** stink off that post

ah i love meat, especially big macs, infact they are my favourite burger


vegys make me laugh we are basically carnivorous mammals, dont rebel against your own nature, its funny, we have rissen so far above the food chain that its allowed some to fall off with no problems :rolleyes:

bizmark

omnicorp wrote:

If they don't know that they're doing wrong and you do, you're just as bad.

Doing wrong? What the hell are we doing wrong? What gives you the right to proclaim your way of life is more "right" than mine and billions of others?

JasonRoberts

Boston wrote:

It's probably the selfrightous attitude that goes with it

its funny, meat eaters call us veggies "selfrightous" ,yet i have meet many meat eaters who were them self's "selfrightous" and do there best to convince you that your "wrong". Are you (meat eaters) not just as bad telling us were wrong?

Ps i dont think anyone is wrong were all just diffrent,

live and let live

Sleipnir

omnicorp wrote:

I don't force my views on anyone either but if there's something they need to know or that they don't know, I'll tell them.

If they don't know that they're doing wrong and you do, you're just as bad.

You'd get to be a very boring dinner partner I'd say.....
You'll tell them? Sounds to me like you'll tell them whether or not they want to hear it which, to my mind, if "forcing your views" on someone else.

I know a pair of vegans and when they had a baby, he was made to be vegan too. He is the whitest, quietest kid I have ever met. He sleep or nods constantly and is just plain miserable. He never runs around like normal kids.

He was in hospital once for some blood disorder thing and the hospital said he wasn't getting a proper diet for a kid as they require different amounts of foods when compared to adults. They flatly refused to let the hospital feed the kid so he went home just as miserable and sick.
The hospital then gave them a referral to a dietician and they decided not to go as "they'd be made to feel like bad parents"

Better your kid slowly starves then.

I did sneak him a few sausages once though and he felt better immediately

The Corinthian

Most vegetarians appear to follow a diet that avoids red meat and any animal that they will apply anthropomorphic sympathy towards. In most cases I’ve come across, eggs, dairy products and fish are apparently still on the vegetarian diet. As such I’ve always thought vegetarianism to be a bit of an oxymoron.

Certainly we eat too much meat nowadays, and the quality of some meat available is questionable, however, simply cutting out red meat is not necessarily a good idea either and quite often done for erroneous or superficial reasons.

omnicorp wrote:

What do people have against Vegetarians?

Nothing really. It’s just you.

seamus

JasonRoberts wrote:

its funny, meat eaters call us veggies "selfrightous" ,yet i have meet many meat eaters who were them self's "selfrightous" and do there best to convince you that your "wrong". Are you (meat eaters) not just as bad telling us were wrong?

I've actually found the same. Meat eaters are far more defensive and militant about protecting their right to eat meat (the same way that smokers defend their smoking, although the two can't be equated in any other way), than vegetarians are proactive about complaining about meat eaters.

I know a pair of vegans and when they had a baby, he was made to be vegan too. He is the whitest, quietest kid I have ever met. He sleep or nods constantly and is just plain miserable. He never runs around like normal kids.

He was in hospital once for some blood disorder thing and the hospital said he wasn't getting a proper diet for a kid as they require different amounts of foods when compared to adults. They flatly refused to let the hospital feed the kid so he went home just as miserable and sick.
The hospital then gave them a referral to a dietician and they decided not to go as "they'd be made to feel like bad parents"

Wasn't their a pair of vegans in the UK brought up on gross negligence charges because their child died from symptoms of malnourishment, after they refused to feed the child any kind of animal products?

Personally, I'd feed my child a balanced diet, meat and all, while continuing to leave it out of my own diet. While it is possible to get a child all the nutrition it needs without meat, it makes it a little more difficult.
The main reason though is that I would feel it would be forcing my opinions on the child. Much the same as bringing the child up in a religious environment - if the child was brought up eating only vegetarian, then that's all the child would know, and wouldn't be in a fair position to make their own decision as to whether they wish to be vegetarian or not. I also think it would compromise their immune system, and they'd end up sicker more often, having not been exposed to potential toxins and bacterium from meat.

My 2c.

Washout

IM a vegitarian who doesnt eat meat, fish or eggs.

Its a personal choice for anyone and if any vegitarian gives out to meat eaters then its wrong.

just as its wrong for meat eaters to say that vegitarians are wrong for not eating meat cause they deprive themselves from things such as protien.

any vegitarian who throws a self rightous rant. pass them my way and ill schlap them around with a celary stick.

Saint

Washout wrote:

just as its wrong for meat eaters to say that vegitarians are wrong for not eating meat cause they deprive themselves from things such as protien.

Unless you replace it with some alternative scource then of course it's wrong. I just don't like the attitude deplayed by the first poster. That it's his dutty to enform you you're a terrible person.

oscarBravo

Saint wrote:

Unless you replace it with some alternative scource then of course it's wrong.

"Wrong" in what sense? Morally wrong? Hardly (apart from the malnourished child example). Incorrect? Maybe - but not more so than eating junk food or smoking.

Saint wrote:

I just don't like the attitude deplayed by the first poster. That it's his dutty to enform you you're a terrible person.

I don't know what thread you've been reading. Who said anyone was terrible?

Saint

Wrong in the sense of the word that it's unhealthy.

"I don't force my views on anyone either but if there's something they need to know or that they don't know, I'll tell them.


If they don't know that they're doing wrong and you do, you're just as bad."

That to me read, "If I allow a child stick a knife in an outlet, then that makes me a bad person." Its o so pretentious it's not even funny. They "need to know" what their doing is wrong, and if I don't tell them then I'm " Just as bad".

omnicorp

Well, I once had this argument put against me,
"The cow's going to die anyway, why not eat him?"
Well, my brother's going to die, Why not eat him?

Animals are living thgings.

Oh, and I get protein from nuts, vegetables, beans and so on...
It's not impossible.
In fact, Vegetarians often live longer and more healthely than OmniVores.

vibrant

I'm also a vegetarian, and I couldn't give a fiddler's fart what anybody else eats. I didn't go veggie to save the planet, or to save the cute little cows - I gave it up because I didn't enjoy eating meat any more. If the day comes when I tire of vegetarianism, I'll start eating meat again. I went through my PETA membership phase, it lasted about 6 weeks and to be honest, I think I really was only interested in the animal rights side of things to make myself feel important for not eating meat.

frany

I think that's personal taste, not right or wrong problem. Westerners tend to prefer meats but Oriental people tend to prefer vegetables like beans. So I think it doesn't matter that you're vegeterian or meat eater.

FX Meister

The foods you mention only contain simple proteins, you need complex proteins too. The only source for these, as a vegetarian, is egg whites.

omnicorp wrote:

Oh, and I get protein from nuts, vegetables, beans and so on...
It's not impossible.
In fact, Vegetarians often live longer and more healthely than OmniVores.

MidnightQueen

omnicorp wrote:

What do people have against Vegetarians?

I dont have anything against vegetarians. I dont mind em. I dont see anything wrong with em. U are who u are and thats it!

embee

My sister and father are both vegetarians.

My dad mostly because of the mad cow disease outbreak etc. He has been a veggie for ten years or more.

My sister is one of the "I don't eat anything with a face" brigade but doesn't get on a moral high ground if people around her have a steak.

chewy

seamus do you bring your kid do mcdonalds?

seamus

chewy wrote:

seamus do you bring your kid do mcdonalds?

I don't have any kids. Yet. Whether I would or not is another issue. Maybe once a year, for a treat. I'd be worried about the health implications.....

gom

Around the time on turned 17 I became a vegetarian. The reasons varied. Animal cruelty isn't an issue for me. As long as animals are not in distress that is fine by me. Mistreating and harming animals actually makes meat less edible i'll have you know(they gas pigs so that the pigs in line don't hear the screams of terror in the meat processing plants). Health, Hygiene and sustainible living were the reasons for my vegetarianism.
I stopped eating all meats except fish initally. Eggs were never really my thing so giving them up never happened as eatting eggs was just not me in my teens. Later I stopped eating fish also.
Learning to eat new things to supplement the protein from meats was fun hard work at start. 6 months on it was easy as anything. Living in the city centre has its advantages with many vegetarian restranuts, cafes and shops that sell all manner of things veggie.
...finish post after lunch

vibrant

chewy wrote:

seamus do you bring your kid do mcdonalds?

I'm wondering why you didn't ask anybody else this question. Why is it an issue?

chewy

i thought it was seamus who posted saying that he is a vegetarian but lets his kids eat meat.. i was wondering if that would include to mcdonalds... ?

which would have involve eating unhealthy food not just meat

seamus

chewy wrote:

i thought it was seamus who posted saying that he is a vegetarian but lets his kids eat meat.. i was wondering if that would include to mcdonalds... ?

which would have involve eating unhealthy food not just meat

Well I did say when have kids. I fail to see your point though. Yes, McDonalds is unhealthy, but I don't see a major problem with it as long as it's a very rare treat, say the kid's birthday.

rainbow kirby

I'm a vegetarian, have been for about a year. I really don't mind what other people eat, to me not eating meat just feels right, like I'm doing something positive. I'm also friends with the founders of Meat Day.

K!LL!@N

seamus wrote:

Well I did say when have kids. I fail to see your point though. Yes, McDonalds is unhealthy, but I don't see a major problem with it as long as it's a very rare treat, say the kid's birthday.

This is exactly what mcdonald's wants people to do.
Associate mcdonald's with "good times", "special occasions", "fun" and "happiness" when kids are young and you'll have those kids for life.
They'll forever associate going to mcdonald's with the happy memories from their childhood.
It's all about the comfort factor of the food and the memories.

Now don't get my wrong here, i'm not preaching to you.
I'm just stating part of their philosophy.
In a way i was a victim of this philosophy as i'm sure plenty of other people were and will continue to be.
My parents brought me to mcdonalds mostly on special occasions, christmas eve, birthdays etc.
I'm not saying they were wrong or irresponsible.
I rarely eat in mcdonald's in this country, though i eat plenty of other junk i'm sure.
I'm just back from the states and have to say that i did eat mcdonald's a few times while there.

What i'm trying to say is, don't make a huge deal out of going to mcdonald's.
If you're gonna take them there, just treat it as a meal.
Don't fall prey to mcdonald's trap.


I'm sorry to go off topic so much there but i do have some questions for vegetarians.
I've no problem with vegetarians, in fact my problem is not being able to eat enough vegetables and i want to eat more.
Are there any vegetarians who stopped eating meat etc. on moral grounds but didn't really like vegetables in the first place?
How did you make yourself like them?

Killian

dogs

omnicorp wrote:

Well, I once had this argument put against me,
"The cow's going to die anyway, why not eat him?"
Well, my brother's going to die, Why not eat him?

To me this is a valid point, but other people will ramble on about having intelligent conversations with your brother and interpersonal relationships. But yes, he is made almost entirely of meat.

omnicorp wrote:

Animals are living thgings.

So are vegetables.

omnicorp wrote:

In fact, Vegetarians often live longer and more healthely than OmniVores.

Given the amount of Snope'ing in your Coke thread, can you provide any sources to back this up ? So far I've been unable to find any non-veggie site that agrees with you, and the NYT
says with all the factors in a typical human life it's pretty difficult to tell, which makes sense to me.

I'm not anti-vegetarian or anything like it. I've gone through low/no meat phases myself. Just make reasonable points without resorting to bull****.

chewy

don't we eat junky food at all types celebrations (ie not just mcdonalds)

i had soy milk in my tea at a friends house... sadly yuck do you really get used to it?

The Corinthian

I do think that the topic of junk food is a little OT. Junk food, by definition is not going to be very good for you regardless of what’s in it as it is produced on the basis of cheap ‘n nasty and full of fat/sugar. It’s like judging all drivers on the basis of the drunk ones. Or women ( /me ducks for cover).

And while the meat in junk food is generally not of the highest quality, I would doubt that the few vegetables in there are award winning either - between the number of pesticides and hormones routinely used on them.

Sleipnir

omnicorp wrote:

Animals are living thgings.

In fact, Vegetarians often live longer and more healthely than OmniVores.

Plants are living things too. Life is life no matter what form it takes.


You're 'fact' on vegitarians living longer is just plain pants.
'Often' live longer than omnivores? Smokers 'often' live longer than non-smokers.
Presumably you had a point?

Sleepy

We have canine teeth. We have molars. Ergo, we are by design, omivourous in nature. Fine, don't eat meat if you don't want to. I don't eat bananas cos I don't like them. But I'm not about to start preaching to the world about how eating bananas is "wrong".

It's insufferable little twits like you that give vegetarians a bad name.

pork99

omnicorp wrote:

Well to scare the living beef burgers out of you read "Fast-Food Nation" by Eric Schausser.

Your "110% pure beef burger" at McDonald's has Faeces (Human and Otherwise), Beef flavourings, Additives, Colours, Urine, Other Animal Meats, Bacteria, Viruses', Fungi and more in it.

Like one Employee said "It's all just add water, Add boiling Water"

Have you actually read this book?

Eric Schausser makes the point that all the sh1t in the beef is due to the very fast paced, pressurised rate of work in U.S. abattoirs. This also leads to a lot of accidents with workers losing limbs etc. Not much care is taken of what gets into the finished product.

In the E.U. (where we live) there are much stricter regulations about how beef is slaughtered. Schausser says that workers in U.S. abattoirs actually look forward to preparing meat for E.U. markets becuase they have to work to E.U. regulations and therefore are required to work much more carefully and slowly with consequently many fewer accidents. Also, I assume, far less feaces in the meat.

vibrant

Sleepy wrote:

It's insufferable little twits like you that give vegetarians a bad name.

Exactly.

To the OP: It's nice that you're excited to be a vegetarian. It's nice that you're saving the planet, and that you're enthusiastic enough about your diet to tell others all about it.

But you're not inspiring anyone else to follow in your footsteps.

Bottle_of_Smoke

K!LL!@N wrote:

This is exactly what mcdonald's wants people to do.
Associate mcdonald's with "good times", "special occasions", "fun" and "happiness" when kids are young and you'll have those kids for life.
They'll forever associate going to mcdonald's with the happy memories from their childhood.
It's all about the comfort factor of the food and the memories.

Now don't get my wrong here, i'm not preaching to you.
I'm just stating part of their philosophy.
In a way i was a victim of this philosophy as i'm sure plenty of other people were and will continue to be.
My parents brought me to mcdonalds mostly on special occasions, christmas eve, birthdays etc.
I'm not saying they were wrong or irresponsible.
I rarely eat in mcdonald's in this country, though i eat plenty of other junk i'm sure.
I'm just back from the states and have to say that i did eat mcdonald's a few times while there.

What i'm trying to say is, don't make a huge deal out of going to mcdonald's.
If you're gonna take them there, just treat it as a meal.
Don't fall prey to mcdonald's trap.

Killian

great point there, if i ever have kids think ill bring em to macdonalds after funerals\dentists etc!

omnicorp

He's right.
Don't tell them you can't go there and give no reason.
Go there, but make it seem terrible.

dogs

omnicorp wrote:

Go there, but make it seem terrible.

So... you're saying he should take his kids there, then give McDonalds some money.... then upset his kids.

Yes dude. I want YOUR t-shirt.

Capt'n Midnight

Just a reminder that apart from hunter-gatherers most of the worlds population for most of recorder history treated meat as a rare luxury. So it's not essential. Which French king was it that said he'd sleep happy if every family could have a chicken every Sunday. And families were bigger (in numerical terms) then than now. And chickens were probably smaller not being reared as intensively so one a week probably wouldn't go that far..

pork99

Capt'n Midnight wrote:

Just a reminder that apart from hunter-gatherers most of the worlds population for most of recorder history treated meat as a rare luxury.

Also when they killed an animal they eat/used every last bit of it.

What do you mean by "apart from hunter-gatherers" - that is how humans existed for most of our history - agriculture appeared 8,000 to 10,000 years ago, "recorded history" (you mean written history - right?) is only the last few thousand years. Homo Sapiens appeared as a distinct species 300,000 to 400,000 years ago. We evolved to eat meat and our evolution was only possible because we eat meat and therefore had access to proteins to build brains etc.

The Corinthian

pork99 wrote:

Also when they killed an animal they eat/used every last bit of it.

You obiviously don't know what goes into hamburger meat...

pork99

The Corinthian wrote:

You obiviously don't know what goes into hamburger meat...

I stand corrected

Also to clarify the dates I've given above after a bit of Googling around it seems agriculture appeared 10,000 to 15,000 years ago, Modern humans also known as Homo sapiens sapiens appeared abot 200,000 years ago - it was Homo Sapiens immediate predecessor, Homo sapiens (archaic) also known as Homo heidelbergensis, which appeared about 400,000 years ago.