Night terrors

keu

In response to the issue of sleep paralysis, I did a quick google. I think it would be good to discuss the facts of.

Sleep Paralysis

The characteristics of sleep paralysis are as follows:

Inability to move or speak for 30 seconds - 3 minutes
Speech is difficult or almost impossible
Happens before falling asleep or just after waking up
Can be hereditary
Can be brought on by stress

Sleep paralysis is the experience of waking up (usually form a dream) and feeling paralyzed, except for being able to breathe and move the eyes. Hypnogogic hallucinations and sleep paralysis may occur together. These conditions are common in people with narcolepsy but can also effect others, particularly people who are sleep-deprived. Although a pretty terrifying event, these events are not physically harmful. There are two major types of sleep paralysis: common (typical) also known as CSP and hallucinatory (hypnagogic) sleep paralysis known as HSP.

Differences between CSP and HSP.

CSP is common and universal, HSP is rare and seems to be geographically episodic.
CSP is only unnerving for the sleeper but HSP is accompanied by a nightmare like hallucination.
CSP is of relatively short duration where HSP can last as long as seven or eight minutes.

One of the most important differences between Night Terrors and CSP is that CSPs occurs in Stage one of sleep and Night Terrors occur in stage four.

Not to be confused with night terrors, although HSP as described above is hallucinatory, there are several differences. (also note the rarity of such a disorder)
Night terrors are not accompanied by paralysis.

Night Terrors Symptoms: Sudden awakening from sleep, persistent fear or terror that occurs at night, screaming, sweating, confusion, rapid heart rate, inability to explain what happened, usually no recall of "bad dreams" or nightmares, may have a vague sense of frightening images. Many people see spiders, snakes, animals or people in the room, are unable to fully awake, difficult to comfort, with no memory of the event on awakening the next day.

I did experience sleep paralysis, there is nothing fun about it, I was paralysed for apx 3 minutes and all I could focus on was trying to move.
It was accompanied by a very loud vibration which caused sever pain to my inner ears, physically very painful and waves which washed over my body, as if I were sitting underneath a pulsing decible beam.
During the three minutes, I kept thinking if only I could get up and turn on the puter, I knew a friend of mine would be online and I just had to contact her, I struggled with all my might to make my body move, I had to contact this woman.
Nothing worked and when I finally gave up and just let it happen, I found movement comming back. It was still a struggle but I got up and turned on the puter (really angry at this stage) and my friend was indeed online, when I logged in her first words were...."I was looking for you".
I admit I was kind of angry with her and I blamed her for waking me up and the whole trauma of the sleep paralysis.
But, I very much believe we all have a connection to each other, most easily tapped into when our minds have slowed down and emanate particular frequencies.

Brain awve functions.

It is well known that the brain is an electrochemical organ; researchers have speculated that a fully functioning brain can generate as much as 10 watts of electrical power. Other more conservative investigators calculate that if all 10 billion interconnected nerve cells discharged at one time that a single electrode placed on the human scalp would record something like five millionths to 50 millionths of a volt. If you had enough scalps hooked up you might be able to light a flashlight bulb.

There are four categories of these brainwaves, ranging from the most activity to the least activity. When the brain is aroused and actively engaged in mental activities, it generates beta waves. These beta waves are of relatively low amplitude, and are the fastest of the four different brainwaves. The frequency of beta waves ranges from 15 to 40 cycles a second. Beta waves are characteristics of a strongly engaged mind. A person in active conversation would be in beta. A debater would be in high beta. A person making a speech, or a teacher, or a talk show host would all be in beta when they are engaged in their work.

The next brainwave category in order of frequency is alpha. Where beta represented arousal, alpha represents non-arousal. Alpha brainwaves are slower, and higher in amplitude. Their frequency ranges from 9 to 14 cycles per second. A person who has completed a task and sits down to rest is often in an alpha state. A person who takes time out to reflect or meditate is usually in an alpha state. A person who takes a break from a conference and walks in the garden is often in an alpha state.

The next state, theta brainwaves, are typically of even greater amplitude and slower frequency. This frequency range is normally between 5 and 8 cycles a second. A person who has taken time off from a task and begins to daydream is often in a theta brainwave state. A person who is driving on a freeway, and discovers that they can't recall the last five miles, is often in a theta state--induced by the process of freeway driving. The repetitious nature of that form of driving compared to a country road would differentiate a theta state and a beta state in order to perform the driving task safely.

Theta state can be induced via meditation, and is similar to the function of brain during sleep.

It is a well known fact that humans dream in 90 minute cycles. When the delta brainwave frequencies increase into the frequency of theta brainwaves, active dreaming takes place and often becomes more experiential to the person. Typically, when this occurs there is rapid eye movement, which is characteristic of active dreaming. This is called REM, and is a well known phenomenon.

I also personally believe that the transmission of these waves are possible, which results in what can be referred to as telepathic communication (defined as the method of "spirit" communication)

(note in this instance "spirit" is deemed as such an electrical activity...for want of a better word)

edit: note, the fourth brainwave in the category is delta,
"Here the brainwaves are of the greatest amplitude and slowest frequency. They typically center around a range of 1.5 to 4 cycles per second. They never go down to zero because that would mean that you were brain dead. But, deep dreamless sleep would take you down to the lowest frequency. Typically, 2 to 3 cycles a second."
People in coma's or unconsciousness may experience these deep slow brainwaves and most often undergo OBE symtpoms during these stages.

keu

note: the slower the brainwave, the higher the amplitude.
[amplitude:Electronics. The maximum absolute value reached by a voltage or current waveform]
ie: the more likely you are to light that lightbulb.

stevenmu

HSP is rare and seems to be geographically episodic

Does that mean that it seems to affect people in the same area at the same time ? CIA...Water Supplies .... ?
(just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me )

On the subject of brain wave frequencies there's a program called BWGen
(http://www.bwgen.com/) that claims to be able to affect your brain wave frequencies. Basically you hook a set of headphones to your soundcard and it plays a different frequency in each ear. If the difference in frequency is say 6 cycles per second this sets up a kind of stading wave in your head of that frequency inducing your brain waves to that frequency. They have various different patterns for different effects such as meditiation, relaxation, increased concentration, healing and so on. There's also a library of effects created by other people you can download and try. It lets you mix add the patterns to music aswell so you can burn a cd with your favourite songs and this embedded in them. I tried it out for a short while a year or so back and it seemed to work a little bit, altough it may just have been a placebo effect. As far as I remember there's a free downlod that lets you use some of the built in effects but to use other downloaded ones you need to pay.

People in coma's or unconsciousness may experience these deep slow brainwaves and most often undergo OBE symtpoms during these stages.

That makes a lot of sense. People would generally expect to be more telepathic after deep meditation, when your brainwaves are at a low frequency, then while doing something mentally challenging like a work or an exam, when the brainwaves are at a high frequency. Low frequency waves can travel much further, but have much less clarity (/information/resolution) than high frequency waves. If people having an OBE have extremely low frequency brainwaves they would be much more open to the effects of fields around them.

eth0_

Why is this in the paranormal board? It has nothing to do with paranormal activity...it's a neurological issue

stevenmu

I think what Keu is getting at, and I tend to agree, is that some neurological issues are related to paranormal ones such as telepathy and OBEs. Forms of telepathy, for instance, may occur because we can detect the electromanetic fields of others at a distance, similar to the way our eyes can detect the electromagnet radiation (light) from stars millions of light years away. Because our bodies produce much less energy than your average star, we must transmit and recieve using much lower frequencies which travel better than higher frequencies (such as light and radio waves). when your body is in a sleep/meditation state your brain is working at low frequencies making this easier. Also because low frequency waves transmit much less information then high frequency waves we don't get a very clear picture (like we do with sight), our subconcious must interpret the vague messages it gets which can lead to sleep hallucinations or OBEs.
Hmmm... actually, I may have gone of on a tangent of my own here

eth0_

True. In fact, there have been studies done which show (although don't proove 100%) that episodes of 'religious ecstasy' and religious visions may be caused by a type of epilepsy.

stevenmu

I saw a bit of a documentary a while back that was probably related to that, they were saying that in deeply religious people some part of the brain or other was much bigger than in less religious people. They didn't know if having this part of the brain so developed caused somebody to be more religious or if it was the other way around. Either way these people where much more likely to experience or believe in 'miracles', get sucked into cults, and believe everything in the bible (even the bits that contradict the other bits )

keu

steve, the frequency that can be produced using sound waves has been used since the mid fifties. There are a lot of conspiracy theories surrounded the science of psi generators. Apparantly they were used to retrieve information from pow's dduring the cold war. Do a google.

ps this is just from memory

as for the religious visions, they say you have to loose your mind in order to find god. would make sense to me.

keu

also just want to add, I worked with a few people who were suffering from Bi-polar disorder and A.D.D. In both cases there is some evidence to show that there is over activity in the right frontal lobe (don't have the accurate information at hand)
This brings about "visions" and experiences that can be religious/paranormal in nature.
(not to mention that some of the information these folks came out with was genuinely correct with regard to "psychic information": ie they could relate personal information about me)
Also, one kid I worked with was extremely intelligent in certain areas although he couldn't write more than two scentences in an hour. much like idiot savant syndrome.
I also worked within the Autism field..all these areas are closely related.
There are particular qualities of hypersensativity in all these conditions.

The most recent aid to reduce symtpoms of bi-polar (although still undergoing tests) is the use of magnetic therapy (dah.,.i cant find the correct name for it)
Magnets with a small volatge running through are passed over the area and generates a magnetic current which (unlike an electrical current used in ECT) helps to polarise the affected area of the brain.
From what I've read so far (will locate the information later) the results are promising and reduce the need for so much medication which produce so many unwanted side effects and often lead to debilitating lives for the sufferers.
(the therapy is applied on a daily basis)

I know this may not sound as though it has a place in the paranormal board, but it was when I was around these people that I became aware of the "psychic" abilities they possessed.
(many of them, especially the kid with a.d.d. would literally blow lightbulbs when walking under them.)

and perhaps what I am trying to say is, I have every reason to believe in psychic ability, telepathy, telekinesis and "poltergesit" activity. I do believe it invoilves using the brain in a completely different manner, which unfortunately is usually looked at in a derogatory light.

keu

just want to give an example.
Kid with a.d.d.: "there's a man standing over there looking at us"
me, looking for the imaginary man: "I don't see anybody, what does he look like?"
Kid: He's about so high, and has a beard, he says his name is tom.
Me, still not seeing anything: what does he want? (asking questions)
Kid: he is waving and says hello, do you know him?
Me copping that he has described my deceased father: C'mon, you have to finish this scentence before eleven or we won't get to play at lunchtime, tell the man to go away, we're busy.

satori

I was dignosed with A.D.D. three years ago (admitadly not very severe) but i would totaly agree with Keu as the people i do know with far more distinct symptoms seem to be extremly aware.

Keu thats a very good piont that I never encountered before!

satori

But i would have to also admit that there as those who do not seem to.

(gosh if only i had statistics or the such)

keu

psychotronic generators

On a different note:
The prolific use of electrical equipment over the last 60 or so years, particularly the widespread use of home computers since the mid eighties has coincided with the (diagnosis of and) dramatic increase of A.D.D. and similar type syndromes (bi-polar disorder)
It seems very clear to me that this is responsible for and generates interference with the electro chemical activities of the brain.

keu

But i would have to also admit that there as those who do not seem to.

Unfortunatly its not so straightforward. Ther are many contributory factors to A.D.D., its not an exlusive genetic or hereditary thing, environmetal factors contribute greatly to individual symtpoms.

Zillah

Apparently I had night terrors for years when I was just a kid (20 now), but I have absolutely no memory of it whatsoever.

I've never even considered how this might relate to some wierd stuff that seems to be coming together in my life. I've been getting wierd sensations when I walk into very old places or touching old things (like old books or boxes, rooms in my grandmothers house etc) and sometimes wake up in the middle of the night thinking someone woke me up but there's no one there.


Somethings happening, very slowly, but I don't know what. Maybe I'm going mad

keu

"To believe is to be forsaken, to consider is to go mad, to do nothing is to be alone"

Saruman

i just replied to this thread, and it dissapeared.. not paranormal just a pain.. might do it again later..

stevenmu

keu wrote:

psychotronic generators

On a different note:
The prolific use of electrical equipment over the last 60 or so years, particularly the widespread use of home computers since the mid eighties has coincided with the (diagnosis of and) dramatic increase of A.D.D. and similar type syndromes (bi-polar disorder)
It seems very clear to me that this is responsible for and generates interference with the electro chemical activities of the brain.

As a child I used to be very sensititive to electric fields, I would walk into a room and if a a tv or hi-fi or anything like that was in standby mode I could feel the transformer operating. I'd get really disorientated in stores, like dixons etc, where there was lots of tvs and things all turned on. We went to the Pollaphuca (haven't a clue how it's spelt) power plant on a school tour and going by the big transformers I could feel them almost pushing me away, I practically passed out after that.

In recent years I've become much less sensitive. I've put this down mainly to working with computers so much and the abundance of electric fields everywhere. The last couple of days I've actually started leaving my phone switched off and only turning it on every now and then for messages and so on. I'm also looking at ways of reducing the effects of working on computers, apparently there's crystals you can get that are supposed to block the fields. I don't know if they work or are people just trying to take advantage of 'hippies' but I'm learning to not discount anything so I'll give them a go.

<rant>
If we accept the importance of our bodies own electric field to things such as our health, happiness, mental abilities or whatever. It's pretty scary to look at how technology is starting to affect that. Technologies like bluetooth which generate electric field around us, or there's even talk of a new on-contact technology which will use our own bodies to carry electric signals. If electric currents running through our bodies and brain can generate a field around us, and they can and do, then artificial fields around us can by inductance create currents running through our bodies and brains, which can't be good.
</rant>

stevenmu

I think that our perceptions of the physical world (through sight,sound etc) for the main part block out our other senses and abilities. It makes sense that people with different perceptions, such as those with autism may be more in tune with their other abilities. I suppose in some ways it could be said that those with some mental conditions are 'right' and that it's the people without them have the 'disability'.

A friend of mine worked with people who were differently abled (not sure what the current PC term is) and I went with her a few times. I was shocked by some of them, I couldn't quite put my finger on it but I could sense that somehow some of them 'knew' more than me or were more 'aware' somehow, it was just a strange feeling I had I don't really know how to describe it properly.

keu

I suppose in some ways it could be said that those with some mental conditions are 'right' and that it's the people without them have the 'disability'.

I know this is off topic a bit, but I'm not sure it has to do with being right or wrong, perhaps its about accepting our differences.
From personal experience, the best days of my life were spent working with special needs kids. Being around kids with Downs teaches you whats really important in life.
Autism can be difficult, communication is the issue, their perception is so completely different to ours, it is suggested that some of them can only see in 2D, how different is that? At the same time I had to learn how to communicate on a different level, much like how new parents learn how to sense whats up with the baby.
When you step back into the world of what is considered "intelligence" and listen to the symantics of daily life and notice what is important to this side of the world, you quickly realise what a load of BS that all is.
So..in some ways I do see them as being disabled..in a sense
can you guess what sense it is?

stevenmu

Do you mean the special needs kids or the rest of us in the "intelligent" world ? If you mean the rest of us I think I can sort of see what you're getting at.

Most of us, myself included so far, spend a huge majority of our lives being concerned with things that only have importance because we, as a society have placed such importance on them. How much of our lives do we spend being educated for the purposes of getting a good job, as opposed to being educated for the sake of knowledge ? Then afterwards we spend most of our lives working in jobs that, for most of us, aren't something that's of any real benefit either to ourselves or to others. We spend time worrying about paying the ESB bill or having money for that new <insert favourite shopping item here>. All so that we can spend our lives paying a mortgage for a house, feed ourselves, maybe get a shiny new car if we're lucky.

When you think about you could build a pretty decent house in a year or two, easily feed yourself with a couple of hours work a day and then dedicate yourself to whatever is important to yourself. All the great inventions, discoveries were made because people saw the need for them, or just had a bright idea, everything good the human race has accomplished has been for the deed itself. The only thing corporations have achieved is to take other peoples ideas, rehash them and make a profit. If the human race, as a whole could take all the time and effort put into making money, which ultimatly is of no value to anyone except in their head, and put it into more benificial causes then we could achieve almost anything.

So ...erm... did you mean spiritually disabled by any chance ?


Thank God it's the weekend, I've got to put in some time practising not being so opinionated...

keu

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marco murphy

I allways wake up thinkin there si a load of spider all over me,and i jumped the full flight of stairs and jumped into the lamp table below,and it was pitch dark,no one awake,i felt really bad.,.

keu

Spiders
To see a spider in your dream, indicates that you are feeling like an outsider in some situation. Or that you may want to keep your distance and stay away from an alluring and tempting situation. The spider is also symbolic of feminine power. Alternatively, a spider may refer to a powerful force protecting you against your self-destructive behavior. If you kill a spider, it symbolizes misfortune and general bad luck.

To see a spider spinning a web in your dream, signifies that you will be rewarded for your hard work. You will soon find yourself promoted in your job or recognized for your achievement in a difficult task. Spiders are a symbol of creativity due to the intricate webs they spin. On a negative note, spiders may indicate a feeling of being entangled or trapped in a sticky or clingy relationship. It represents some ensnaring and controlling force. You may feel that someone or some situation is sucking the life right out of you.

To see a spider climbing up a wall in your dream, denotes that your desires will be soon be realized.

To dream that you are bitten by a spider, represents a conflict with your mother or some dominant female figure in your life. The dream may be a metaphor for a devouring mother or the feminine power to possess and entrap. Perhaps you are feeling trapped by some relationship.

Don't know if any of this applies to you, but if you are in a situation wher you feel strangled, such anxiety will manifest itself while you are sleeping, causing you to react this way.

stevenmu

Thought I'd resurrect this thread seeing as I had my first experience of this last night.

I was having a slightly weird dream and as part of it I was vaguely aware that animals (all of them !) were going on some kind of rampage and attacking people. At the end of it I was seeing through the eyes of some woman, it was kind of like when in movies an empath touches an item belonging to a dead person and they see how the person died, I didn't actually think that I was the women (of the many problems I do have that's not one of them !).
Anyway this women was walking through her kitchen at night, the windows in the kitchen looked out on a hill in the distance with trees scattered around the place, and I could sense that something was about to happen. She started walking over to the patio door and there was a flash of lightening. Out of the corner of her eye I could see out the window and there was this giant elephant up on the hill standing up on it's hind legs, kind of like when a horse rears up but staying still as if he didn't want to be spotted.

At that moment I knew the house was surrounded by animals waiting to get in and I could almost sense some kind of alien mind controlling them. Not nessecarily alien as in from a different planet but not your regular animals mind anyway. She walked over to the patio door and looked out. There was another flash of lightenening and things get a bit confused here. I'm pretty sure I saw the ghost of another woman standing outside the door (a glass sliding type of one) surrounded by various animals about to pounce in through the door. As that happened I heard a banging at my own window just as the animals would have been crashing through the door in my dream and woke up instantly.

I could feel something where the window is in my room (behind me and to the left) but couldn't move my head, worse I could see the ghost from my dream above me and my whole body was convulsing. After a second or two (the longest second or two EVER) I realised that I still wasn't fully awake and then control came back and everything was ok.

I was left with a very strong feeling that this was a warning of some kind but other than not to have a sex change and go live on a farm (which wasn't going to happen anyway) I can't really think of what it could be. Any dream experts have any idea what something like this could mean ?

keu

"To see animals in your dream, represents your own physical characteristic, primitive desires, and sexual nature, depending on the qualities of the particular animal. Animals symbolizes the untamed and uncivilized aspects of yourself. Thus, to dream that you are fighting with an animal signifies a hidden part of yourself that you are trying to reject and push back into your subconscious. Refer to the specific animal in your dream."

For now, consider the woman who's eyes you saw through is an aspect of you. The animals reprepsent characteristics you might be familar with (physical/primitive desires of your youth), but the woman is more refined (anima, regulator of behaviour), she brings you clarity and hightens the senses, signified by the lightning, "To see lightning in your dream, signifies sudden awareness, insight, and purification. Alternatively, lightning may imply a shocking turn of events. It suggests the many forces governing your life may be beyond your control."

the sudden awareness or insight is validated by the elephant who "signifies that you are laying a solid groundwork for wealth and success. You hold a position of honor and dignity."
This newfound sense of success/awareness, makes you see the animals in the people around you,(civilisation) representing the untamed, uncivilized aspects of society. (animals wanting to get into your house)...heh, the alien mind of this civilsation represents others who are not familiar with the things you are and this attitude comes across aas an attack.
Again the lightning is heghtening your senses, making you aware of this (making you look through the window and seeing the uncivilised aspects of humanity), showing you the ghost (spirit) of you which is mingling within that society.

as you wake up, your spirit is still on that plane of "self discovery", (not fully back in your body), its probably what you are sensing behind you and to the left. The convulsing is common sensation when your spirit is returning to your body.
I think the message is very clear.

stevenmu

keu wrote:

I think the message is very clear.

That I'm going to win the lotto and people will resent me for it ?


Thanks for replying though, some of the points you make seem to be a bit generic and don't really fit the context of my life or the dream as I experienced it, unfortunatly I can't exactly play you a recording of it, but some points really do seem to fit. There was no specific animal involved really more of a general all animals rising up kind of thing. But they weren't really themselves like I said it was like they were zombies under someone/somethings control. If Stephen King wrote dreams this would have been exactly how he did it. I think you're onto something though with the untamed uncivilised aspects of society and the many forces in my life beyond my control.
I kind of suspect that the woman actually represented a girl I know that I'm a bit worried about and I think maybe the shocking turn of events may happen to her. Both the events themselves and her walking right into them being beyond my control (unless I suppose I was to use some animal instinct myself). Earlier on in the dream there was storms aswell as lightening so I'm guessing this signifies trouble to come as well as awareness and clarity. Considering that I have no real control over this whole situation I have been trying to repress it somewhat which matches with what you said about fighting animals, I have also been fighting the urge to pre-empt the whole situation which fits too.
It's nice to know the convulsing sensation is common, I was a little bothered by that. Am I right in guessing it was probably just a sensation and that my body was probably still ?
Anyway, on the whole it was a pretty enjoyable dream, probably a 7/10. I'd give it 8 or maybe even a 9 but it ruined the best nights sleep I've had (or nearly had..) in ages.


btw, what did you think the message was ? Am I close or have I just twisted your post to my own preconceptions ?

keu

k, will do it my way now...The elephant seemed to be a very clear symbol. Think of how the elephant represents strength and power. (standing on a hill on his hind legs). very positive symbolism. Think of him like an animal totem (spirit guide in native american terms) can read more about animal totems here ..might find something you can relate to.

Generally the dream characterizes what Jung referred to as the anima.

the anima, used to describe the personification of the unconscious feminine aspect of a mans personality, appears in dreams as archetypal figures, such as the seductress, harlot or divine female spirit guide. She represent a mans feeling nature which is fascinating and secretive. Because the anima is composed of feelings she may distort a mans understanding.

If you feel that you were "astral travelling" than you can consider this female as a spirit guide (an aspect of the higher self), these type of dreams always convey very clear (lucid) messages/information.
Tink your right about the storms, if there are any major issues going on in your life, you may see them comming to a head (wild animals and storm) and yet you will find it brings clarity and strength, like a learning process.

kind of suspect that the woman actually represented a girl I know that I'm a bit worried about and I think maybe the shocking turn of events may happen to her.

you might find this is very relevant so.

It's nice to know the convulsing sensation is common, I was a little bothered by that. Am I right in guessing it was probably just a sensation and that my body was probably still ?

is how it was for me.

glad you had a good nights sleep, usually you will find when lucid dreaming, you enter a very very deep sleep (deeper than theta

keep us informed.

edit: doing my best not to take the info personally lol.

..and I thought I would add that while dreams hold personal revelations in symbolism, many times they can reflect a larger perspective, I find this dream is closely linked to the current astrolgical climate of the akward alignment between venus and uranus, your dream pretty much describes the conditions of this planetary aspect.

stevenmu

Because the anima is composed of feelings she may distort a mans understanding.

Yep, we have all kinds of trouble understanding feelings

I was a bit sceptical about what you were saying about the elephant but reading through that link some stuff started falling into place on more levels than I can keep track of at the moment.

keu wrote:

glad you had a good nights sleep, usually you will find when lucid dreaming, you enter a very very deep sleep (deeper than theta

I've found that whenever I enter a deep sleep something weird always happens that wakes me up. I've only had one fully lucid dream though, which was amazing.

keu wrote:

..and I thought I would add that while dreams hold personal revelations in symbolism, many times they can reflect a larger perspective, I find this dream is closely linked to the current astrolgical climate of the akward alignment between venus and uranus, your dream pretty much describes the conditions of this planetary aspect.

I know absolutely nothing about astrology but it makes sense that smaller scale personal events would be reflected to a degree in a larger scale around the world if that's what you're getting at ?

keu

I know absolutely nothing about astrology but it makes sense that smaller scale personal events would be reflected to a degree in a larger scale around the world if that's what you're getting at ?

so refreshing to have someone with a bit of cop on to communicate with.
If only everybody realised this.

Stark

I experienced a HSP as a child. Was lying in bed when my room door opened and this strange creature was standing in the door way, difficult to describe, was like a 6-foot tall mound of orange goo with a glow (I could see its colour clearly even though it was night time), it then creeped its way up to the head of my bed stood right next to me. All the while I was screaming my lungs out and noone heard me, don't think I could move either. Then it disappeared and I started screaming again, this time my mother heard me. When I asked had she heard me screaming previously she said no.

These days I tend to lucid dream a lot. A few times I've had moments of total clarity when I've gone from the stage of lying in bed to feeling sleep paralysis effects to being able to break myself free of body's electromagnetic grip to being aple to walk around my house without subconcious things getting in the way of what I could see. The problem is sometimes telling the difference between dreaming and reality even though I keep asking myself "have I woken up yet?". A few times I've had breakfast then gone out the door to college thinking to myself "yeah I'm definitely awake this time", only to be woken up by my mother. In fact if I'm not woken by someone I often get to the stage where I think I've woken up as in I'm dreaming one minute, lying in bed the next but I'm actually still dreaming My brain just does not want me to have to go to college

keu

just to add..we're expecting some heavy electrical (lightning) activity later tonight and possibly tomorrow

...*dives under bed



edit: stark, sounds like you would benefit from some grounding excercises. do a google or read up on the subject.

Stark

I laughed out loud at the experience of one person's who "ethereal body" was particularly sensitive to electromagnetic fields. Apparently she had an OBE one night and got sucked into an air conditioner which was close to her bed

edit: stark, sounds like you would benefit from some grounding excercises. do a google or read up on the subject.

Ooh thanks for that, never heard of those before.

keu

I think some of us should get together sometime and organise a sort of open circle.

stevenmu

keu wrote:

so refreshing to have someone with a bit of cop on to communicate with.
If only everybody realised this.

Aww shucks

Considering how helpfull you're being there's not much point in me being rude.

Thinking more about astrology I can see how there could be something to it. It's been demonstrated that atmoshperic electrical conditions can have an affect on peoples moods, a common example of this is the ionizing (or maybe de-ionizing, can't rememeber now) effect of water in a shower causing people to feel good, this is apparently why so many people sing in the shower. Solar storms can cause strong electrical effects here on earth affecting power distribution, radio signals and even destroying circuitry. Solar wind, which hits us all the time, does the same to a lesser extent. How these storms and wind hit us is affected by the gravitational forces of the planets so their differing locations can cause different electrical conditions within our atmosphere.
Many people might be on the threshold of performing some action based on their various moods and the slight alteration of their moods could put them over that threshold. In a statistically large enough group, the planets population should do nicely. Certain conditions may cause a larger than normal mount of people to commit suicide, attack sombody or fall in love. I suppoe this could explain why astrology often seems vague or generic to some people, or me at least, because it's more about trends then specific measurable events (like whether a coin will come up heads or tails).
Does any of this sound right-ish or have I misunderstood astrology totally ?

I know I've a bit of an irrational need to rationalise everything but it helps accept some things, I think if I can come up with plausible explanations for most things, it'll help me accept thos things that I can't explain too.

edit: Come to think of it this makes those government mind control theories a bit less insane, wonder where I can get some tinfoil roud here .....

stevenmu

Stark wrote:

The problem is sometimes telling the difference between dreaming and reality even though I keep asking myself "have I woken up yet?".

I've experienced that once or twice. I can remember dreaming and then waking up, and remembering the dream in that vague way you do. I got cleaned up, dressed went out and hopped in the car and then woke up in my bed again. I spent the rest of the day wondering if I was still asleep or not and every loud or sudden noise would make me think I was waking up again !

stark wrote:

A few times I've had moments of total clarity when I've gone from the stage of lying in bed to feeling sleep paralysis effects to being able to break myself free of body's electromagnetic grip

I feel something similar to that if I realise that I'm falling asleep. It almost feels like my spirit is falling away from my body and I become aware that my body has sort of just stopped. I always wake up at this point which kind of feels like I've been trapped under water and have just jumped up out of it. It's interesting to hear that you're able to carry on through it to a sleep state, I'll have to try harder to do that. As you can probably guess it's kind of hard to fall asleep when you know that if you see it coming you'll wake up

stevenmu

keu wrote:

I think some of us should get together sometime and organise a sort of open circle.

Sounds interesting, what do you have in mind ? I did a quick google on opn circles and they seem to be a group of people sitting around and talking about what they think/feel, sometimes led by a medium, sometimes not.

Stark

It's interesting to hear that you're able to carry on through it to a sleep state, I'll have to try harder to do that. As you can probably guess it's kind of hard to fall asleep when you know that if you see it coming you'll wake up

Quite often you'll feel strong vibrations that feel quite physical even though they're just a product of your imagination. At this point remember to relax, it can be quite scary especially as had happened to me this morning I conciously experienced the paralysis state before slipping into dream state. Because you'll be in a concious dream state you'll still feel a strong pull keeping you from sitting up or getting out of bed, this is due to your body's electromagnetic field. You'll have a struggle with this and put up with temporary blindness and dizziness until you're out of your bedroom.
The good news is if you do panic then you will immediately wake out of paralysis state so there's little risk involved though I have heard scare stories. Most of the scare stories though are from people who've successfully entered dream state and don't understand why they feel disorientated and find difficulty moving. Some people panic because they think the heaviness is due to "someone sitting on them".

Interestingly enough last night I was lucid dreaming but it was after a very tiring day. Normally when my mind is tired I simply slip into subconciousness and forget that I'm dreaming at all. However what often enough happens to me is I need to find a couch/bed or something in the dreamworld and then lie down and go to asleep even though I'm aware that I'm already actually asleep. Any reason for this?

stevenmu

Stark wrote:

Interestingly enough last night I was lucid dreaming but it was after a very tiring day. Normally when my mind is tired I simply slip into subconciousness and forget that I'm dreaming at all. However what often enough happens to me is I need to find a couch/bed or something in the dreamworld and then lie down and go to asleep even though I'm aware that I'm already actually asleep. Any reason for this?

Reading that triggered a memory, I can remember being asleep and deciding I should wake up. Instead of pinching myself or anything like that I started feeling drowsy and lay down and fell asleep and that seemed like a perfectly natural way to wake up to me. Kind of like this is what got me here so it'll probably get me back too. Don't know if that makes any sense to you.

Thanks for the tips, usually what I have to do is start day-dreaming to distract myself and then fall asleep on the sly Knowing that people can fall into sleep through that and a bit of practice should help.

tipperaryboy

keu thanks very much for posting about this.It happend to me before to.Now i know what it was that happend to me.Its a really strange thing to happen

Stark

Reading that triggered a memory, I can remember being asleep and deciding I should wake up. Instead of pinching myself or anything like that I started feeling drowsy and lay down and fell asleep and that seemed like a perfectly natural way to wake up to me. Kind of like this is what got me here so it'll probably get me back too. Don't know if that makes any sense to you.

I used to do that as a child