more sections of music

cruise

wheres the punk section.
i know there is gonna be a couple of idiots saying oh man punk is stupid.
but i dont really need to prove myself to them so im not gonna what kind of punk i like.
but i really think there should be a punk section

Jim

There has been suggestions for a punk forum many many many times. Everytime it has been concluded by some that any punk discussions can take place in the Rock/Metal forum. Unfortunatly most people never post their, metal tends to dominate.

lee_baby_simms

cruise wrote:

wheres the punk section.
i know there is gonna be a couple of idiots saying oh man punk is stupid.
but i dont really need to prove myself to them so im not gonna what kind of punk i like.
but i really think there should be a punk section

i couldnt agree more. JAH WAR!!! :mad:

cruise

punk discussions can take place in the Rock/Metal forum???
im sorry to be rude but thats a load of ****. punk and metal are not the same.

Jim

I agree. But the reasoning behind it is that there wouldn't be enough traffic to constitute a whole forum. Also if you made a punk forum, other genres would be looking for their own forum aswell.

Töpher

Its Rock/Metal, not just metal. That would cover punk too. Metal tends to dominate this forum, but if noones willing to post about punk whats the point in it having a seperate forum? If the board was packed with posts and threads on punk maybe then it might deserve its own forum? Until then its just added work for the admins/moderators. Imho.

lee_baby_simms

Its Rock/Metal, not just metal. That would cover punk too.

Would it?

punk and metal are not the same.

Indeed.

It doesnt seem right to me. For example, Oasis would be considered rock, Manowar are definately metal and The Ruts are a punk band. They cant all be lumped into the same forum can they?

That said the Jazz/Blues forum isnt exactly splittin at the seams so maybe another forum wouldnt be feasible.

Repli

I think the forum just needs to be split into 4 forums, Rock'n'roll (oasis, ocean colour scene, blur, hives, strokes, etc), Heavy metal (metallica, iron maiden, megadeth, manowar), Death metal (cannibal corpse, emporer, vader, behemoth, etc) and Punk rock (melvins, sex pistols, rancid, ramones, etc)

Ahh that would be an ideal world

lee_baby_simms

Repli wrote:

Ahh that would be an ideal world

do you have the power?

Repli

I have the power!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad:

iasc

i dont see whats wrong with punk in the rock/metal section punk is a type of rock, if u seperate everyhting up ur just gonna confuse everyhting, what sections u put bands like rage and tool into

lee_baby_simms

iasc wrote:

what sections u put bands like rage and tool into?

acid skiffle?

Karl Hungus

I don't know where you all seem to get the idea that if you posted about punk here that the regulars would be rude, or insulting about it. This has come up a thousand times already, and the answer is always the same, POST ABOUT PUNK HERE!

cruise

first of all tool are basic rock.
and second people always come on to forums and post things about punk.
everyone hates it because its not in style

Giblet

Punk ROCK = ROCK/METAL

Easy.

John

Repli wrote:

Punk rock (melvins, sex pistols, rancid, ramones, etc)

The Melvins, punk? I would never have considered them punk, more metal than punk. And certainly more noise than anything else. I suppose speaking as if I'm a journalist for the NME they'd be Nu No Wave.

superconor

It all goes back to blues......

If we split up the rock/metal forum into even just the 4 that was suggested, there would not be enough traffic in each one.

I think anyway.

oneofakind32

No way should there be seperate froms for heavy and death Metal. What we need most most is a fusion forum to incorperate crossovers between Rock/Rap/Funk/Metal/Trad/Blues/Classical/Jazz

dregin

cruise wrote:

punk discussions can take place in the Rock/Metal forum???
im sorry to be rude but thats a load of ****. punk and metal are not the same.

I agree

Töpher

cruise wrote:

punk discussions can take place in the Rock/Metal forum???
im sorry to be rude but thats a load of ****. punk and metal are not the same.

Noone's saying they're the same. Punk is not metal, granted, but it is a form of Rock. This forum is meant to cover all aspects of Rock/Metal and any subgenres within those two. How difficult is that to comprehend?

the_obsolete

Repli wrote:

I think the forum just needs to be split into 4 forums, Rock'n'roll (oasis, ocean colour scene, blur, hives, strokes, etc)...

Just as a heads up dude, that ain't Rock 'n' Roll, that's just plain Rock / Pop Rock

iasc wrote:

what sections u put bands like rage and tool into

They'd both belong here, Rage is what's now known as Rapcore, but 'd be more Metal HipHop Fusion...and Tool is Prog Rock / Metal

John

Einst&#252 wrote: »

This forum is meant to cover all aspects of Rock/Metal and any subgenres within those two. How difficult is that to comprehend?

Evidently it's extremely difficult

Jim

Personally I think it should be Rock/Metal/Punk.

There was a reason that it was decided to keep the name as it was, but I can't recall.

iasc

the_obsolete wrote:

Just as a heads up dude, that ain't Rock 'n' Roll, that's just plain Rock / Pop Rock



They'd both belong here, Rage is what's now known as Rapcore, but 'd be more Metal HipHop Fusion...and Tool is Prog Rock / Metal

i know they belong here, i was syaing if ya split everything up into, metal, death metal..etc, i was just pointing out for some bands ya cant really put labels on them, Rapcore...that sound krud, i wouldnt put a label on it, its just Rage

cruise

so rage invented a type of music.

wooowwww rap and metal.
no one every tought of that before.

and i agree it should be rock/metal/punk
even tough punk ethics are very very different.

lee_baby_simms

so where does reggae go?

cruise

ok ok

i think every type of music should have its own forum

Civilian_Target

I think that all for one is good. Otherwise people wouldn't agree with me about how great the Stiff Little Fingers are, and disagree about ****e like AFI, who claim to be punk (which is a sad day for punk IMO)

Töpher

Jimeatsmenu wrote:

Personally I think it should be Rock/Metal/Punk.

There was a reason that it was decided to keep the name as it was, but I can't recall.

Then why not Rock/Metal/Punk/Industrial so I can get in a few posts about industrial bands if I so wish. It's pointless because the two words cover all genres that spawned from Rock/Metal INCLUDING punk.

Cruise, did you join boards just to ask this question? As it seems to be all you have done? Do a search for other threads on it, its been asked before, and deemed pointless. Punk is a subgenre of Rock, (thats not meant to sound condescending, almost everything is a subgenre of Rock), plain and simple. Therefore it doesn't need to be added into the title of anything, as it is covered and obvious to those with even the slightest intelligence.

cruise

u are so narrow minded.
i dont know where to start.
WITHOUT PUNK there would be no metal
and if u dont know that ur an idiot
second of all im leaving this forum because of people like u

Töpher

1) Not really tbh, read what I said clearly.
2) I think you already started
3) Correct me if I'm wrong, Black Sabbath started in 68, punk started around this time too, late 60s/early 70s.
4) But but but...
5) Buhbye now.

:mad:

cruise

all black sabbath sang about is meaningless ****.
punk has meaning and without punk ethics metal would be nowhere

iasc

cruise wrote:

u are so narrow minded.
i dont know where to start.
WITHOUT PUNK there would be no metal
and if u dont know that ur an idiot
second of all im leaving this forum because of people like u

without blues there would be no metal, punk had little to do with black sabbath, maybe u didnt understand what they were singing about, but it was hardly meaningless

Hell_en_earth

Ok, well after reading all of the thread i have to agree that it should be left as is! You can post about any alternative music in the rock/metal section!!
And those who go into these thread's to slag can be complained about and booted!!


Cruise if you don't want ppl to slag your style in music then you really shouldn't start slagging others taste's, cause you are bound to sought everywhere you go!!

mudflapgirl

Heh
Yeah you don't hear all the 'hardcore', 'thrash', 'death', 'Industrial' etc people moaning about a lack of forum for their kind do you?
It all comes under the heading of ROCK/METAL

I woulda thought it was kinda obvious that all types of rockish music was covered under that.



...some people need less anger/caffeine/sugar in their lives.

John

cruise wrote:

u are so narrow minded.
i dont know where to start.
WITHOUT PUNK there would be no metal
and if u dont know that ur an idiot
second of all im leaving this forum because of people like u

Punk started off as stripped down rock'n'roll about five years after Sabbath got started (ie the birth of metal). The punk ethic isn't only found in punk music. Before the Sex Pistols (formed 1975) and the Ramones (1974) started groups like Throbbing Gristle (existing as COUM Transmissions since 1969, the same year as Black Sabbath, and in 1975 changed their name to Throbbing Gristle) were going further with the so-called punk ethic than any punk band has gone. Punk was supposed to be anti-rock'n'roll, a middle finger to the likes of Led Zeppelin but it never managed to step outside of rock. Yes punk was a cultural movement as well as just an anti-rock statement but after a few years most of the scene had burnt out and the whole movement splintered into millions of sub genres.

As for punk's lyrics having meaning and Black Sabbath's not, compare the Ramones' "I Wanna Sniff Some Glue" to Sabbath's "Supernaut", both are songs about getting loaded. Sabbath are as much a working class band as any punk band. So in short, as for trying to say that Einstürzende is being narrow minded (which I know him not to be) you have shown how little you actually know about punk and its ethics.

And please note, I'm not saying any of this because I think punk is a substandard genre, I love punk but I don't think it's unique enough to warrant a new forum and I think your reasons are dubious to say the least. /rant

Töpher

cruise wrote:

all black sabbath sang about is meaningless ****.
punk has meaning and without punk ethics metal would be nowhere

And I'M narrowminded?
*cough*
Don't worry, Mommy will buy you a new Blink182 hoody to ease the pain. :rolleyes:

lee_baby_simms

cruise wrote:

second of all im leaving this forum because of people like u

:eek: theres natural selection for ya

This place doesnt owe you a favour, hostile comments are no match for constructive suggestions "and if u dont know that ur an idiot";)

the_obsolete

Okay okay people, how about calling the forum "Rock & all it's sub-genres"? A bit long-winded but at least ya won't have arguments erupting about other forums being needed like Punk or Industrial or some strain of Metal etc.

the_obsolete

cruise wrote:

so rage invented a type of music.
wooowwww rap and metal.
no one every tought of that before.

Also (as far as I'm aware) nobody else did except Biohazard...it did birth some nasty bands tho...(Limp Bizkit...*hurl*)

cournioni

cruise wrote:

all black sabbath sang about is meaningless ****.
punk has meaning and without punk ethics metal would be nowhere

Arse. Punk is full of fakes like Johnny Rotten.

Karl Hungus

This thread is going nowhere fast.

I've very little time for a person who will complain about nowhere to post about something, despite having it been made abundantly clear to them that this is the exact place to post about it.

This is still going to be the Rock/Metal forum because it pretty clearly encompasses everything, unless you want to get uppity about it. We don't need a forum called rock/punk/goth/industrial/hardcore/prog/death/thrash/doom/viking/metal just to SPELL IT OUT for people who should show a bit of cop on.

oneofakind32

ya but we do need a fusion forum

Töpher

*sigh*

oneofakind32

No support for a fussion forum????

Jim

The ignorance of people on this thread is amazing. Pro and anti Punk alike.
Personally I think that punk is a completely different genre than Rock or Metal and doesn't fall into any subgenre. Infact I would rank it higher than Metal as a genre in itself. Taking into account alot of the arguments made the forum should be renamed just Rock, but thats a little petty at this stage.

I wasn't around when the forum was created, but the impression I got was that the reason it was named Rock/Metal was because its moderator AngleWhore (Karl Hungus) tend to lean more toward metal (I'm not trying to start an argument Karl, or imply anything other than I said, its just the impression I got).

PORNAPSTER said that punk is full of fakes, naming one, Johnny Rotten. I wouldn't nessicarly call Johnny a fake, but I personally don't like the Sex Pistols, or Johnny Rotten. Tbh every type of music has its fake characters. Mostly its got to do with money. Punk is about politics, making a stand against something. It annoys me when a band are trying to make a point about something and its just completely lost on the crowd who don't really understand, or want to. (although I'm sure alot of it goes over my head).

Although I'm not happy about it there will never be a Punk forum. This debate ended months ago.

cruise

lee baby simms i tought u were with me

Jim

Does it really matter?

Karl Hungus

Jimeatsmenu wrote:

I wasn't around when the forum was created, but the impression I got was that the reason it was named Rock/Metal was because its moderator AngleWhore (Karl Hungus) tend to lean more toward metal (I'm not trying to start an argument Karl, or imply anything other than I said, its just the impression I got).

It was Pornapster who requested it in the first place, the name had nothing to do with me. But considering that there is a lot of people who listen to Metal on boards, it does make sense.

Jim

Fair enough.

God....I really don't want to keep this argument going...but...

Theres alot of people who listen to Punk on boards aswel.

nesthead

splitting up into more sub-genres would create more elitism within the forums.


although if making a punk forum stops people whinging here im all for it.