My true views

ShortAmerican

Contrary to popular belief I am not a Nazi, although I am a Republican. I do not condone the maltreatment of the handicapped, disabled, or mentally delayed. I merely believe that the Government should not take part in giving these people money. I would like to withdraw the statement that I believe in "survival of the fittest." I would love to see the weak prosper in our society, I just do not wish for them to suck off the government which is increasing the taxes for everyone. The handicapp and disabled are the most extreme, I strongly am opposed to this: I need to pay taxes which are given to various organisations, which aid programs like Planned Parenthood, a organisation which helps in the slaughter of millions of babies. Why should I have to give money to a cause which I believe is morally wrong. If people wish to give to organnisations such as this, they may do so away from taxes. The program is basically population control. This is just my view on the issue, if I have offended you, sorry, if you agree or have a different opinion shoot it back at me. By the way, for those of you who are dazed and confused over what this has to do with CTYI, I made a statement in class which was misunderstood and thought to be a deragatory statement to people with disabilities. Thanks for reading.

halenger

ShortAmerican wrote:

I just do not wish for them to suck off the government which is increasing the taxes for everyone.

Tax those who can afford it. The elite, the rich, the Bill Gates of this world etc.

Never gonna happen but could easily solve many of the worlds problems. Meh. *goes back to his quiet apolitical corner*

pinkpimp

We all know that the way the world is governed isn't perfect. In fact, it blows. Communism should work, but it doesn't because of the greed in human nature. Democracy should work but it doesn't because it isn't wholly and fully democracy. Fascism might work but its never been and never will be tried indefinitely, or given a proper chance.

The point is that there is no known perfectly correct way to govern a country.(Politically morally, or any other way). There are flaws in any system of running a country, so while you are right, the taxing system, like most things to do with world politics are, is poor. But there is no reasonably feesable solution.

note: when I say 'doesn't work' I use the term loosely. Obviously, like everything this is argueable.

ps: please excuse any spelling mistakes and/or blatantly stupid remarks & statements. (I havent slept too well.)

Raphael

How about a technocracy, like the Helios ending of Deus Ex?

pinkpimp

Raphael wrote:

How about a technocracy, like the Helios ending of Deus Ex?

i stand corrected.

buffalo

Raphael wrote:

How about a technocracy, like the Helios ending of Deus Ex?

Awwww yeah!

Raphael

Its basically facism, but with a benevolent dictator who is indifferent. no greed, no bigotism.....just need to hope it doesnt crash XD

pinkpimp

Raphael wrote:

Its basically facism, but with a benevolent dictator who is indifferent. no greed, no bigotism.....just need to hope it doesnt crash XD

t'isn't gonna happen in the next 8 years though...
and ill be dead after then, so it doesn't concern me.

Raphael

Yeah, It'll need to wait till theres enough technology, and the population hasnt been brainwashed by hollywood to think ai=evil (I robot & matrix)

halenger

pinkpimp wrote:

t'isn't gonna happen in the next 8 years though...
and ill be dead after then, so it doesn't concern me.

Optimist eh?

article6

pinkpimp wrote:

Communism should work, but it doesn't because of the greed in human nature. Democracy should work but it doesn't because it isn't wholly and fully democracy. Fascism might work but its never been and never will be tried indefinitely, or given a proper chance.

I'm not sure about Fascism ever working. The argument goes: "Ask a Communist about the gulags, and they'll tell you Stalin was not a true Communist. So why not the same with 'true' Fascism versus the genocides that people like Hitler and his lieutenants caused?" The response being that Communism is doctrinaire, and Fascism (like most political movements) is non-doctrinaire; that is, there is no equivalent of Das Kapital for Democrats or Fascists, just a set of beliefs. 'True' Fascism is what Fascists have done; they do not have a book of theory to fall back on.

Oh, and to the original poster: In Ireland, they don't care if you're a Fascist or not. Display any signs of leaning towards the Right and they're on your case. Ask Barry, for goodness' sake...

pinkpimp

True. But I believe that if a certain rules and/or beliefs were put in place, fascism could work, as long as mass killings, ethnic cleansing, etc. doesn't happen.

jono087

Regarding this political debate: (debate?)

I propose a simple but effective solution, the best system would be that us, the elite of ireland, america, and wherever else would rule the world as a congress of sorts. But we could rule the world and punish less smart people(a.k.a. stupid people) for being unable to solve simple mathematical equations!!!! muahahahahahahahaha


By the way, I'm not condoning this hypothetical situation at all. In fact I don't believe we're better peopke for attending ctyi, it just means we're better at reasoning in maths and english.

larry

are you suggesting that the only thing of value in humanity is numerical ability?

Crash

/me slaps forehead.







...shut up damnit.

david

you're all master debaters

rainbow kirby

jono087 wrote:

Regarding this political debate: (debate?)

I propose a simple but effective solution, the best system would be that us, the elite of ireland, america, and wherever else would rule the world as a congress of sorts.

They tried this in the Simpsons, and it didnt work...

pinkpimp

rainbow kirby wrote:

They tried this in the Simpsons, and it didnt work...

yeah, cos the simpsons is so true to life.

(i'll remind you of a certain quote:
"Cartoons don't have to make sense Bart, it's just a bunch of funny stuff that happens.)

Crash

i'm gonna make a vote on whether or not jono087's posts should simply be glimpsed over and not read by all.

and since i'm moderator, i rig the vote. glimpsing only. :P

It wasn't me!

And that "Corky" dude's. Maybe they just shouldn't be able to post nonsense. I think you can make it so all their post have to be previewed by you or Podge and approved before they go on the boards. Want to give that a try?

nosmo

You all hurt my brain.

On the note of the money to "baby slaughter" organisations, the current(and previous) US administrations slashed funding for pro-choice organisations and also for organisations such as LifeBeat, et al, who promote the use of contraception, along with not promoting contraception in places where it is really needed, eg: the AIDS epedemic in some African countries, and amongst the spiralling sex trade in Thailand
If you don't think pro-choice movements should get funding, why should hypocritical and oppressive movements which militantly oppose abortion get funding either? It's not as if they aren't getting enough funding from the religious right anyway.

Your sig is horrible too.

But, on the note of being off topic, this forum is for general discussion, not just "OMG WHO HAS PHOTOS! OMG LOL I HAVE PHOTOS OMG LOL WTF!".

Crash

plus lots and lots of funding for the silver ring thing project. :rolleyes:

I could make em pre-modded but i really dont want to - thats a lot of work for me and podge

Raphael

Even better, set it up so me and Dave have to approve the posts

MWAHA!

nosmo

jono087 wrote:

Regarding this political debate: (debate?)

I propose a simple but effective solution, the best system would be that us, the elite of ireland, america, and wherever else would rule the world as a congress of sorts. But we could rule the world and punish less smart people(a.k.a. stupid people) for being unable to solve simple mathematical equations!!!! muahahahahahahahaha


By the way, I'm not condoning this hypothetical situation at all. In fact I don't believe we're better peopke for attending ctyi, it just means we're better at reasoning in maths and english.

The amount of times I have seen something along these lines posted here is larger than the fungus developing in my hair

article6

nosmo wrote:

The amount of times I have seen something along these lines posted here is larger than the fungus developing in my hair

Amazing coincidence that an intellectual elite believe the world would be better if it were ruled by an intellectual elite, eh?

Silver Ring Thing... if their target audience is now Irish kids, they should at least have called it 'Silver Ring Yoke'. I don't need a silver ring for chastity, I have my natural appearance to do that for me.

nosmo

article6 wrote:

now Irish kids, they should at least have called it 'Silver Ring Yoke'. I don't need a silver ring for chastity, I have my natural appearance to do that for me.

"Yoke wot stops me shaggin'"

ShortAmerican

who promote the use of contraception, along with not promoting contraception in places where it is really needed, eg: the AIDS epedemic in some African countries, and amongst the spiralling sex trade in Thailand

Note to Nosmo: The best cure to aids is not contraception, its abstinence.

Raphael

Dear god, tell me you didnt just say that

Stephen Forde

ooh u guys make me sick. U call wat i say rubbish then u all go on rampant debates about fecking governments. Y dont u just not rread my pots. It hardly hurts ur eyes. I hope you guys are not easily upset cos it seems that way. Fussing over sumthing stupid. I dont reall care wat u say!! Alot of the stuff u will probably say will probably (and hopefully) contradict u about me that is. Who the hell goes on to forums and disscuses governemnts is beyond me. But since its fun going on about rubbish like i do keep doing it.
WAt the hell do u think these forums are for. Talking about silly stuff and nonsense and what-not. SO STOP ****IGN BITCHING U BITCHING BITCH.
YAwn now i must go watch the glimmer man.

C ya

mentalimplosion

ShortAmerican wrote:

The best cure to aids is not contraception, its abstinence.

there is no cure for aids.. :rolleyes: if you mean in terms of the prevention of HIV transmission, the best 'cure' would be a combination of widely available protection, sexual education and a support environment with little or no stigma. abstinence does not work in practice because, especially in many sub-saharan african countries, it basically never works.

Aoibheann

Stephen Forde wrote:

ooh u guys make me sick. U call wat i say rubbish then u all go on rampant debates about fecking governments. Y dont u just not rread my pots. It hardly hurts ur eyes. I hope you guys are not easily upset cos it seems that way. Fussing over sumthing stupid. I dont reall care wat u say!! Alot of the stuff u will probably say will probably (and hopefully) contradict u about me that is. Who the hell goes on to forums and disscuses governemnts is beyond me. But since its fun going on about rubbish like i do keep doing it.
WAt the hell do u think these forums are for. Talking about silly stuff and nonsense and what-not. SO STOP ****IGN BITCHING U BITCHING BITCH.
YAwn now i must go watch the glimmer man.

C ya

oh god. please shut up. you're not making this thread any better. It was interesting. Now its just annoying. Way to ruin it.....
and also, you say you dont care what anyone here says, well, let me be one to tell you, the feeling's mutual.



Sorry for any offence i may have caused during the creation of this post.(yeah right!)

Raphael

Stephen Forde wrote:

ooh u guys make me sick. U call wat i say rubbish then u all go on rampant debates about fecking governments. Y dont u just not rread my pots. It hardly hurts ur eyes. I hope you guys are not easily upset cos it seems that way. Fussing over sumthing stupid. I dont reall care wat u say!! Alot of the stuff u will probably say will probably (and hopefully) contradict u about me that is. Who the hell goes on to forums and disscuses governemnts is beyond me. But since its fun going on about rubbish like i do keep doing it.
WAt the hell do u think these forums are for. Talking about silly stuff and nonsense and what-not. SO STOP ****IGN BITCHING U BITCHING BITCH.
YAwn now i must go watch the glimmer man.

C ya

Did anyone else hear something?

Aoibheann

Raphael wrote:

Did anyone else hear something?

Its now just a distant "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" in my head. (ref: Scrubs!)Thank god for that. This new sound is a big improvement on what he said.

Stephen Forde

ROFLMAO. Way to go all out and hurt my feeling. (Goes to the toilet to get tissue to wipe away tears)

Sob now i hope ur happy.

Raphael

Not yet. Maybe when you leave, never to return

Aoibheann

Stephen Forde wrote:

ROFLMAO. Way to go all out and hurt my feeling. (Goes to the toilet to get tissue to wipe away tears)

Sob now i hope ur happy.

ah quit your whining. welcome to the real world.

Crash

Forde: calm down or i will give you a ban.


This Forum is for discussion - it can be for whatever you guys want tbh. All i can say is that some of the best and most interesting threads that have here have been *SHOCKHORROR* serious. I've seen a lot of threads on this and the jokey spammy ones die out pretty quick - they just arent fun after a while (believe me, this is the fourth CTYI summer i've seen on this board).

The thing i will say is random spam deteriorates the board for everyone who wants to use it - remember it is overall a discussion Forum.

That is all.

Neil

nosmo

ShortAmerican wrote:

Note to Nosmo: The best cure to aids is not contraception, its abstinence.

So, to wipe out HIV, we stop procreating. Good plan.

Stephen Forde, when you retreat back under the rock from whence you came, I hope it falls on you. And learn to spell and type.

ShortAmerican

First of all, stephen forde, SHUT UP, go bitch somewhere else.

Now that thats over with. Abstinence is clearly the way to prevent aids, as contraceptive tend not to work. The use of these contraceptives also promote the act of casual sex, creating more Africans having sex, creating more of a chance for Aids to spread, creating more need for contraceptives, creating more children with aids in Africa, if abstinence was used, and people got married, knew their partners well enough to know whether they had aids or not, then the people with aids would die out and all would be better again. The fact is sex spreads aids. so how do you intend to prevent aids, let the people have their sex. if sex spreads aids, shouldnt sex be cut down. This is simple logic. Less aids babies, less aids.

article6

I would agree with some of the above poster's views, though not with their choice of text colour. (On the Net, black is in, this and every year.) Except for the allegation that "contraceptives tend not to work", when they have a very high 'success rate' for want of a better term, and the somewhat callous tone of letting AIDS sufferers "die out", though that is what they will probably do.

Needles programmes and abstinence followed by faithfulness are definitely the most certain ways to slow the spread of AIDS (though not to cure it). It's just a pity they aren't very practical ways of doing so; they depend on foresight and restraint.

bus77

Well, Handicaped people need a lot of care so state aid is a must for families in such a situation. What's the point in society if things like that dont happen?

Taxs are not high because of drains on the system. It's used as a tool to keep a certain part of the population in near poverty and away from higher education.

Hence, troops for the army, workers for the factory.


As regards Aids in africa, education and a general change/improvement in society is the most important thing. A lot of African men still regard women as property.

mentalimplosion

but you can't just come in as a foreign charity and try to change culture and society. the countries themselves need to change the legal details relating to womens rights etc

Spog

Unfortunately, like so many other problems in the world, the AIDS crisis ending is dependant on those in power actually giving a sh1t!

pinkpimp

How are you going to stop a concenting adult from having sex???
Your theory is good, but it would be a bit different to that in practise

Barry Aldwell

article6 wrote:

Oh, and to the original poster: In Ireland, they don't care if you're a Fascist or not. Display any signs of leaning towards the Right and they're on your case. Ask Barry, for goodness' sake...

Being right wing in Ireland is not an easy thing. You get a lot of arty/hippy/anarchist/angsty rebellious teenager types giving you a hard time. Though I find the line "If there's a war, it's my ass on the line, protecting you" tends to shut people up quite quickly

To the original poster: I never expected to see a poster on the CTYI board even more right wing than me *tear*

That said, some of what the original poster said is too extreme, even for me. Though then again, I do have some rather left wing ideas on a lot of topics, but people tend to see the entire "pro-war" thing, and think "nazi", ignoring all other factors

Jarge!!!

mentalimplosion wrote:

but you can't just come in as a foreign charity and try to change culture and society. the countries themselves need to change the legal details relating to womens rights etc

You know something, this character is entirely right. We shouldn't impose our charity and beliefs on them. In fact, we should withdraw all the cultural and societal changes we've imposed on Africa as a foreign charity, seal the borders, and leave them to sink into barbarism, thus neatly solving the problem and giving us a lot of money, whilst leaving us with a crystal clear conscience.

But why stop there? Why not have all the old colonial powers withdraw every influence they've had on every other country ever? That way Europe would be grossly overpopulated whilst the aborigines in my own dear homeland would still be wondering over the technological majesty of a curved stick.

Possibly my friend here is unfamiliar with Darwinism, so I'll fill in the gaps for him/her. The strongest system survives and propagates, whilst the weaker ones die out and are left behind. On a global scale, this was originally accomplished with wars of conquest and colonialism, hence the USA. Now, we do these things humanely by giving poor countries money in order to change and be more like us.

Frankly, why are other cultures so bloody good, and why should we go to such idiotic lengths to preserve them? The Japanese, for instance, seem to have had no problems (if you call 2 atom bombs no problems) incorporating western ideals into their own cultural heritage, and the Taiwanese and Chinese seem close behind.

And don't prattle about human rights abuses in those countries because I don't care, and it's the fault of the individual governments rather than the system as a whole.

So there.

Aoibheann

George, I was actually agreeing with what you said. I thought you were making a perfectly rational argument.
That is, until I saw what you said in the end. "So there."
Then I just thought, what an idiot.........

pinkpimp

Well, as a dub, I believe that anyone that exists outside the pale, doesn't deserve to do so. We are superior to everyone, even our superiors. All other lifeforms are crap. Im not ignorant, you're ignorant. Come here you, shut up right, see you, shut up. And other things you tend to hear on FM104 at night...

Aoibheann

pinkpimp wrote:

Well, as a dub, I believe that anyone that exists outside the pale, doesn't deserve to do so. We are superior to everyone, even our superiors. All other lifeforms are crap. Im not ignorant, you're ignorant. Come here you, shut up right, see you, shut up. And other things you tend to hear on FM104 at night...

FM 104 you say? cool, this'll be a laugh. is it a phone in? i'll take the piss and act like a real bogger.

Crash

Jarge: careful with that argument its very much a double edged sword - look during the cold war at all the fights the US got involved with that they ****ed up severely - Vietnam, Korea, financing during the Iran Iraq war etc. there can often be a lot to be said about a country being introverted IF they don't know how to handle themselves on an international scale.

Darwinism doesnt always win out, tbh its not so much the smarter the brain, more the bigger the club when it comes to global expansion et al.

pinkpimp

crash_000 wrote:

Darwinism doesnt always win out, tbh its not so much the smarter the brain, more the bigger the club when it comes to global expansion et al.

You forgot bigger wallet.