The Free Masons

ShriekingSheet

wo knows what about them? Im just looking for some info -to be fore warned and fore armed! I hear alot of stories but im left unclear about the whole thing!

DeVore

do a search in Humanities for "Freemason" and there are some interesting threads there about them. I know several at this time and they are decent men by and large. Its more like a union crossed with a male-support group crossed with the lions club. I was dead weird about them too at first and started to investigate them. Theres really nothing malicious about them, yeah they are weird enough but then, arent we all

DeV.

keu

you could search knights of templar, as far as I know it all stems from the same place (something to do with solomens temple) an ancient organisation which was revived a couple of hundred years ago.

(also read "the pillars of the earth" by ken follet", is very descriptive)

ShriekingSheet

DeVore wrote:

do a search in Humanities for "Freemason" and there are some interesting threads there about them. I know several at this time and they are decent men by and large. Its more like a union crossed with a male-support group crossed with the lions club. I was dead weird about them too at first and started to investigate them. Theres really nothing malicious about them, yeah they are weird enough but then, arent we all

DeV.

But where does this malicious stigma stem from?

aidan_walsh

Where does most malicious stigma stem from?

A lack of understanding in the general public, where else...

ShriekingSheet

doodle_sketch wrote:

Where does most malicious stigma stem from?

A lack of understanding in the general public, where else...

indeed, i took that as a given! Im more trying to find out about their general practices/functions. I know there are misconceptions but I don't even fully know what these misconceptions are let alone the truth behind them! Forgive my ignorance but this is my reason for starting the thread!

keu

well, in all fairness if there is a lack of understanding its because in many senses it is a "secret society", there is a ritual involved in becomming a member and once a member, knowledge of particular symbolism is essential.
I knew a grandmaster of a ney york lodge and he claims there are no secrets but when I asked him about initiations, he wasn't inclined to talk about it.
He also kept going on about the millions they raise annually and the free health service that is provided by hospitals in new york which are funded by the "charitble works" of the masonic order.

[edit:sounds like any other religious organisation to me]

bus77

Spent a few days going throgh the madness of the net looking up the historys and symbolism of some of those groups. Just ended up feeling like Stanly Kubric by the end of it

keu

When a freemason is being initiated into the third degree he is struck on the forhead in the dark, falling back either into a coffin or onto a coffin shape design. His fellow masons lift him up and when he opens his eyes he is confronted with the skull and cross bones of 'a mason who broke his vow of secrecy'. Under this threat of death no mason of third degree or higher can be trusted, particularly in public office. He is hoodwinked literally and metaphorically, placing himself under a curse.

http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm

this site might be a tad biased, but is interesting.

ShriekingSheet

keu wrote:

http://www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm

this site might be a tad biased, but is interesting.

Cheers keu!

DMT

ShriekingSheet wrote:

wo knows what about them? Im just looking for some info -to be fore warned and fore armed! I hear alot of stories but im left unclear about the whole thing!

If you're thinking of joining, you'd be better off joining either the Knights of Comeonbanus or The NinjaLeague™ instead...

Ste-

The comeonbanus page leads to the forum on boards which clearly we can't view cause we aren't members.
Some clever thinking on someone's part.

keu

imhumbleopinion
anyone who needs to be a member of an organisation in order to reaffirm "who they are" or "how they are supposed to live" are weakminded people with inferiority complexes.

[edit:last comment directed toward the masonic theme of thread]

Esel

google +freemason +"on the level" +"square deal"

I'd tell you more, but.....

keu

google +freemason +"on the level" +"square deal"

I'd tell you more, but.....

secrecy is at the heart of freemasonary, what do you expect from google?
the site i referenced has quite a few lodges websites attached, so you can go and check them out "from the horses mouth" so to speak.

chewy

now isn't that a conincendents on molesworth road methinks, i friend of mine went in there the other day, got a tour round by a guy.... he described it as having lots of grnad rooms with lots of symbols of the the eye nad seriusly goats legs , yerman said they don't sacrifice goats but some freemasons do...he also mentioned their charitable works and that lots of amous people like daniel o connell were free masons....


fcuk me that guy doens't like bilderberg

ShriekingSheet

chewy wrote:

now isn't that a conincendents on molesworth road methinks,

isn't what a coinscidence?

DeVore

Their secrecy comes from trusting one another and from the second world war when Hitler took it into his head that they knew where the Holy Grail was and slaughtered 80,000 men simply because they were freemasons.
Another reason (as a mate of mine who is a FM said to me when I freaked when he first told me) is, as he put it: Would you willingly tell people you were a FM if they reacted like you just did?". Think about it!

To be fair, they arent all *that* secret given that there is a big plaque on their door, they do guided tours of their building, have a free public museum and a web site with pages like this:
http://www.irish-freemasons.org/want_to_join.htm
Its more like a "secret" boys club you might have as a schoolboy, like the Dead Poets Society or something. I've gone drinking with them in the Grand Lodge a good few times now. They're just blokes!

DeV.

bus77

ShriekingSheet wrote:

isn't what a coinscidence?

I think he meens the way its in front of the dail. which fits in nicely with the "masons controling the world" thing

keu

i'm just going to disagree with Dev.
I'm trying to find information about the german monk/priest who was partially responsible for the revival of particular elements of masonic legislation (iluminati) in the mid 19th century.
As for Hitler and the holy grail, the masonic connection here is very obvious, the search for the holy grail was integral to knights of templar, which was founded during the crusades.

The public image does not justify the intentions of the "secret boys club" reality.

[edit: those who consider Hitler to be the ultimate catholic/christian might remember George Bush cliams to be too and yet he was also initiated into the skull and bones "society" during his time at yale. (masonic order)
(that way is easy to blame all war on religious beliefs)
As far as beliefs go, the masonic order is a society based on psychological manipulation, has sfa to do with "freedom of the spirit" and everything to do with "control of the soul."

Flukey

I am taking a chance, but do I need a special handshake to post in this thread?

DMT

Is there smoke without fire?

Flukey

I think you know the answer to that. They are always trying to tell us the positive things they do but still keep everything secret. What are they afraid of, if it is just another boys club? Saying you would not tell anyone you were a member because of the reaction, can only lead to asking why they don't tell more about themselves to dispel all those fears?

bus77

keu wrote:

[edit: those who consider Hitler to be the ultimate catholic/christian might remember George Bush cliams to be too and yet he was also initiated into the skull and bones "society" during his time at yale. (masonic order)
(that way is easy to blame all war on religious beliefs)
As far as beliefs go, the masonic order is a society based on psychological manipulation, has sfa to do with "freedom of the spirit" and everything to do with "control of the soul."

The Scull and Crossbones is a Christian symbol and goes way back before Hitler, or pirates(whom some think were Masons aswell;) link)

The Catholic church used to have it on Crucifixes at the bace of the feet of Christ. link

It's interesting how the sybolism travels around the place but it's like trying to create a picture with dots

keu

Dr. Adam Weishaupt, Professor of Canon Law in the university of Ingolstadt. This person had been educated among the Jesuits; but the abolition of their order made him change his views, and from being their pupil, he became their most bitter enemy.

this was the fella I was trying to think of earlier. He was a member of "The Lodge of the Eclectic Masonry, erected at Munich in Bavaria, in 1775; under the worshipful Master; Professor Baader.

"The Association of which I have been speaking, is the Order of ILLUMINATI, founded in 1775, by Dr. Adam Weishaupt, professor of Canon law in the university of Ingolstadt, and abolished in 1786 by the Elector of Bavaria, but revived immediately after, under another name, and in a different form, all over Germany."
text from http://www.bilderberg.org/lucis.htm

and this bit explains the secrecy

But where are the proper persons, the good, the generous, and the accomplished, to be found? and how, and by what strong motives, are they to be induced to engage in a task so vast, so incessant, so difficult, and so laborious? This Association must be gradual. There are some such persons to be found in every society. Such noble minds will be engaged by the heart-warming object. The first task of the Association must therefore be to form the young members. As these multiply and advance, they become the apostles of beneficence, and the work is now on foot, and advances with a speed encreasing every day. The slightest observation shows that nothing will so much contribute to increase the zeal of the members as secret union. We see with what keenness and zeal the frivolous business of Free Masonry is conducted, by persons knit together by the secrecy of their union. It is needless to enquire into the causes of this zeal which secrecy produces. It is an universal fact, confirmed by the history of every age. Let this circumstance of our constitution therefore be directed to this noble purpose, and then all the objections urged against it by jealous tyranny and affrighted superstition will vanish. The Order will thus work silently, and securely; and though the generous benefactors of the human race are thus deprived of the applause of the world, they have the noble pleasure of seeing their work prosper in their hands." - Weishaupt

maintaining fear in others (by remaining secretive) promotes their own integrity (and righteousness).

Seaneh

[edit: those who consider Hitler to be the ultimate catholic/christian might remember George Bush cliams to be too and yet he was also initiated into the skull and bones "society" during his time at yale. (masonic order)
(that way is easy to blame all war on religious beliefs)
As far as beliefs go, the masonic order is a society based on psychological manipulation, has sfa to do with "freedom of the spirit" and everything to do with "control of the soul."[/QUOTE]


Anyone who considers Hittler in anyway Christian/Catholic really doesn't know a lot about Hittlers belifes.
He hated the fact that german citizens loved God more than they loved the country, he had no belife in God.

keu

re: skull and crossbones.

the cross and bones on the crucifix is a remenant of the crusades (knights of templar) and is symbolic of sacrifice in order to triumph (a bit like the iraq war or killing millions of jews or muslims in the case of the crusades in order to preserve or attain an ayran type race)

"Adolf Hitler was obsessed with the occult, in his case the Thule Society, closely inter-connected with German Theosophists. The jolly roger, skull and cross bones, "der Totenkopf" was an emblem worn by Hitler's SS soldiers and was emblazoned on SS armoured cars and tanks (see images on this page). The SS was a religious cult of sworn Hitler/German ancestor worship."

edit: excerpt from mein kampf re hitler and his beliefs~"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."~ A. Hitler

Seaneh

edit: excerpt from mein kampf re hitler and his beliefs~"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."~ A. Hitler

And I have said "attempted murder doesn't count" but just because I say something doesn't mean I believe it.

bus77

Bah, Im feeling like Kubrik all over again now. Knew I should'nt have got into this thread :rolleyes:

elivsvonchiaing

DeVore wrote:

Would you willingly tell people you were a FM if they reacted like you just did?".

Hmmm. Do we perhaps need a <secret?> Free Mason pride parade?

BuffyBot

There really should be a gathering card for Freemason's threads...