EBay Ireland

Wrestlemania

Hi Guys,

Words of warning about these morons....

Went for the interview last week as I am thinking of leaving IT...

3 hours of tests and a stupid 10 min interview....


Pay is 25K but there is a string........You have to be easily maniuplated and pure braindead to get the job...


I did the 3 tests got A1 in all of them, then the interview it was like being interogatted in GTO bay, pure american crap pure bullsh1t and also the word internally is that it will go t1ts up in 18 months as they are getting sued left right and centre....

They told me I was over qualified and to old for there job I am f**cking 27 not 207

In a nutshell they want drolling idiots that they can easily manipulate!

L5

what position were you going for?

Wrestlemania

The CSR job as to be honest i wanted it as a step to a tech job and be able to use their gym in there.....

I must be ugly or something ;-)

L5

whats CSR?

Wrestlemania

Customer service rep, I was will to take a few grand drop to get my foot in the door

HelterSkelter

Originally posted by Wrestlemania


They told me I was over qualified and to old for there job

Illegal, go to the Equality Authority and you will get a few grand (www.equality.ie )

eth0_

Originally posted by Wrestlemania

They told me I was over qualified and to old for there job I am f**cking 27 not 207

In a nutshell they want drolling idiots that they can easily manipulate!

They actually told you you were too old? That is age descrimination. I'd take them up on that if I were you.

I can't see ebay going bust, maybe paypal but not ebay. Did you also know they give you a sh1tload of shares in ebay when you join?

Wrestlemania

Seriously as I am seriously pissed off with it as I wanted the job as it is handy to get to thanks for that dude I will have a look at that site

Wrestlemania

Yeah I know that and there bonuses but the word is that anyone with any intelligence would be classed as a threat to there middle management as basically you would make them look stupid...Yeah Paypal going bust I think that is them actually.

I am annoyed at the fact that my age and also previous military employment was questioned , ie questions like what was you service number, who was your C.O etc questions that I cannot honestly answer as that is irrelevant.

I would like to warn people of this as I wasted 3 and a half hours for nothing and to be told I am to old at 27 mmmmmmm say that to some bouncers in night clubs ;-)

eth0_

Originally posted by Wrestlemania
Seriously as I am seriously pissed off with it as I wanted the job as it is handy to get to thanks for that dude I will have a look at that site

I went for an ebay job last year as I too am sick of the IT sector. Did great in the tests, interview went brilliantly (in fact when I told the HR woman of my experiences buying and selling on ebay, she brought the general manager of eBay Ireland over to meet me when we had finished the interview (I was originally being put forward for a paypal positiong), and I got on great with him. THEN I met this HR guy who was an absolute pr1ck! More of an interrogation than an interview. I didn't get the job, and was told it's 'not our policy to give feedback'.

Wrestlemania

Yeah I got a little Muppet like that aswell for a place looking to recruit a few hundred people they sure have stupid recruitment policies more like personal policies if you dont fit the pic good luck....Damn shame I was hoping to work there, IT is getting on my nerves...

Batbat

most recruitment and hr people are either assholes or morons or both

edit; actually thats a bit harsh ive met some nice hr people

lee_baby_simms

Each post is more shocking as i scroll down!!

How can these EBay c**ts get away with this?? How many laws have they broken??

Sympathies to eth0_ and Wrestlemania, thats criminal treatment you guys got. Personally i'd follow up on it.

grumpytrousers

I didn't get the job, and was told it's 'not our policy to give feedback'.

erm - can i just say that this is the normal response -however much it may suck. Only an utter idiot in the position of a job-interviewer would ever give feedback on how a candidate performs 'cos that would leave 'em wide open to potential lawsuits.

In fact - the more I think about it, the more I find it hard to believe that the guy would have actually said "We aren't giving you the job because you are over qualified and to old for the job"

You might (whether you like it or not) consider that they might have known better than you what the job would entail, and that most people in your position of being 'of a certain qualification and a certain age' would be driven absolutely demented by the job for which you applied...

This doesn't excuse them from being complete f***nuts mind, but it's a thought...

lee_baby_simms

surely telling someone that they're too old for a position is slap bang against the law isn't it? No question?

Our man in Havana

Originally posted by lee_baby_simms
surely telling someone that they're too old for a position is slap bang against the law isn't it? No question?

How comes the Gardai get away with it all the time? No one over 26 allowed to join.

Sleepy

Discrimination on the basis of age is illegal. However proving it may be difficult unless you have it in writing.

HelterSkelter

Originally posted by Wrestlemania


They told me I was over qualified and to old for there job

Actually come to think of it, if you were too old for the job they would never have brought you in for the tests/interview in the first place. Must have been some other readson.

Wrestlemania

Originally posted by Bond-007
How comes the Gardai get away with it all the time? No one over 26 allowed to join.

and the army to bond it is a bastard i wanted to go back but oh i am 27 max age 25 bollocks to that

Wrestlemania

Originally posted by HelterSkelter
Actually come to think of it, if you were too old for the job they would never have brought you in for the tests/interview in the first place. Must have been some other readson.

mad thing is why do they bring u in when they can see your cv it is a total waste of time.

unforutantely i cant prove what they said:mad:

seamus

Originally posted by Wrestlemania
mad thing is why do they bring u in when they can see your cv it is a total waste of time.

unforutantely i cant prove what they said:mad:

What exactly did they say?
Because,
"To be perfectly honest, you're very experienced and overly qualifed. What we were looking for was a younger, less experienced kind of guy, y'know?",
isn't a "You're too old".

Wrestlemania

Number one: When I went in the HR Guy and Lady said, from your CV we thought you were a little younger and maybe your told old for a role like this.

We can see by your qualifications your a very technical and over qualified this role may not be for you.

They then asked extremely personal questions about my time in the army....

mmmmmmmmmm

Our man in Havana

Originally posted by Wrestlemania
Number one: When I went in the HR Guy and Lady said, from your CV we thought you were a little younger and maybe your told old for a role like this.

We can see by your qualifications your a very technical and over qualified this role may not be for you.

They then asked extremely personal questions about my time in the army....

mmmmmmmmmm

Thats blantant age discrimination for you, complain to the equality authourity.

As regards to the army questions, what general questions did they ask? You could always answer them by saying "I cannot comment on this as I am and still subject to the official secerts act".

seamus

Originally posted by Wrestlemania
Number one: When I went in the HR Guy and Lady said, from your CV we thought you were a little younger and maybe your told old for a role like this.

Hmm, sounds a bit wrong alright, but it were me, I'd think she was implying that I'd feel out of place or bored because most other candidates would be younger than me, and the work wouldn't exactly be a 'career move'.

Obviously I could be wrong. I wasn't there

Third_Echelon

a similar thing happened to me last summer after i finished college...

I went for an interview with vodafone, as i wanted to do a lazy ass job for a year or so after college to kinda 'wind down'.. didnt really want to get a job related to my qualification straight away..

anyway, they said i was over-qualified and that i'd probably leave if a better offer came along, even though i said i didnt want to work in a field related to my qualification just yet....

didnt matter, they weren't interested at all, even though i passed all their tests with no problems.. she even said id be good at the job....

i basically didnt get it because i had a degree... surely that is discrimination?

but no matter... it actually made me look for a job related to my qualification as i knew that id be dealing with dickheads if i went for a no-responsibility type job... that is dealing with the public and moron managers, who basically do feel threatened by people with some sort of intelligence....

Just out of interest, what area of IT do you work in? Net Admin, Programming etc?
Because I know a few people that I've worked with have changed into different areas of IT as they havent liked their current role, and are pretty happy now...

Wrestlemania

Originally posted by Bond-007
Thats blantant age discrimination for you, complain to the equality authourity.

As regards to the army questions, what general questions did they ask? You could always answer them by saying "I cannot comment on this as I am and still subject to the official secerts act".

When you join the army you sign a certain version of that act, wanted to know my rank,number, units and in detail what i did in there, which is not on as i cant answer that no more than any other lad in there

I think she was saying it as they were expecting less mature people to mould easily, my best mate was in the first intake and had to downgrade his cv to such an extent it looked like he had just finished his leaving cert. A person who is qualified to me would deem a useful tool for the company and as I indicated to them I wanted a change to Customer relations and veer slightly away from IT as it has run it's course.

I have made a formal complaint so watch this space with the reply I get, I know one thing for certain a job from there is not what i am getting...

I just don't want anyone going through the same thing as me and if they do go there to be well prepared.

Wrestlemania

I am a QA technician mate, with also Net admin (Hardware support) side....

I have done about a year on a Helpdesk both IT and Customer relations after leaving the army, this policy these companies have is damn dumb.

Originally posted by Third_Echelon
a similar thing happened to me last summer after i finished college...

I went for an interview with vodafone, as i wanted to do a lazy ass job for a year or so after college to kinda 'wind down'.. didnt really want to get a job related to my qualification straight away..

anyway, they said i was over-qualified and that i'd probably leave if a better offer came along, even though i said i didnt want to work in a field related to my qualification just yet....

didnt matter, they weren't interested at all, even though i passed all their tests with no problems.. she even said id be good at the job....

i basically didnt get it because i had a degree... surely that is discrimination?

but no matter... it actually made me look for a job related to my qualification as i knew that id be dealing with dickheads if i went for a no-responsibility type job... that is dealing with the public and moron managers, who basically do feel threatened by people with some sort of intelligence....

Just out of interest, what area of IT do you work in? Net Admin, Programming etc?
Because I know a few people that I've worked with have changed into different areas of IT as they havent liked their current role, and are pretty happy now...

Third_Echelon

Originally posted by Wrestlemania
I am a QA technician mate, with also Net admin (Hardware support) side....

I have done about a year on a Helpdesk both IT and Customer relations after leaving the army, this policy these companies have is damn dumb.

Helpdesk jobs can be very frustrating after a while... especially with some of the dumbasses you have to deal with....

The company i work with are doing some hiring at the moment... i'll pm you the details. If you are interested you can apply...

grumpytrousers

Hmm, sounds a bit wrong alright, but it were me, I'd think she was implying that I'd feel out of place or bored because most other candidates would be younger than me, and the work wouldn't exactly be a 'career move'.

Obviously I could be wrong. I wasn't there

See - that's kinda the point I was trying to make. Whether we like it or not, the company doing the hiring has the right to take on the kind of people it thinks are best suited to the long term goals fo the company. Note use of the words 'it thinks' (subjective decision) and 'long term goals of the company'.

The chances are that for the most part, people who are older than the rest of their colleagues and more qualified tend to not last as long with companies. They will tend to not stay around, not give the old 110% and - Yes - not allow themselves be moulded by the company.

Harsh though this may be, the only thing they did wrong was letting slip to *you* that they thought you were too old. Having sat in on the odd interview panel, you simply NEVER allude to the persons age. Even amongst the interviewers afterwards, as you go over your notes, you're not meant to say 'Christ - she's ancient' or anything. My own way of saying 'Too old but I'm not gonna explicitly say that' was 'And she seems very mature, doesn't she'..normally did the trick

Batbat

I was recently on a training day about the freedom of information laws in Ireland, and I was told that under the freedom of information act you can legally request that they turn over all personal information they have on you in their records, including any notes they took during the interview process.

If they refuse to give you this info, or to not respond you can contact the information commissioner, who has powers to take procedings against them.

http://www.oic.gov.ie/

Our man in Havana

Originally posted by Batbat
I was recently on a training day about the freedom of information laws in Ireland, and I was told that under the freedom of information act you can legally request that they turn over all personal information they have on you in their records, including any notes they took during the interview process.

If they refuse to give you this info, or to not respond you can contact the information commissioner, who has powers to take procedings against them.

http://www.oic.gov.ie/

Actually its the Data Protection Act that covers non governmental organisations.

pebble

Originally posted by Wrestlemania
When you join the army you sign a certain version of that act, wanted to know my rank,number, units and in detail what i did in there, which is not on as i cant answer that no more than any other lad in there

So, you actually have no idea of what your rank, your number and your unit were?
I mean, even prisoners of war are allowed to give that information.

Perhaps they thought if you didnt know those things, then maybe you weren't bright enough to be in their company?

Our man in Havana

Originally posted by pebble
So, you actually have no idea of what your rank, your number and your unit were?
I mean, even prisoners of war are allowed to give that information.

Only to the enemy:)

Other than that the public are not allowed to know anything about a person's army activities.

grumpytrousers

Other than that the public are not allowed to know anything about a person's army activities.

RUBBISH. I've seen Full Metal Jacket. Those lads just couldn't shut up singing about being in the marine corps....

Wrestlemania

Originally posted by pebble
So, you actually have no idea of what your rank, your number and your unit were?
I mean, even prisoners of war are allowed to give that information.

Perhaps they thought if you didnt know those things, then maybe you weren't bright enough to be in their company?

Name rank and number but the manner in which it was asked and also the exact nature of my job and who my commanding officier was, tbh my name rank and number have zero to do with the job as i have over 3 years of IT experience behind me, I think they were be darn right nosey....anyhow muppets of the highest order.

But I am going to find out what exactly the reason I did not get that job for piece of mind if nothing else.

Wrestlemania

Originally posted by grumpytrousers
RUBBISH. I've seen Full Metal Jacket. Those lads just couldn't shut up singing about being in the marine corps....

Feckin Yanks this is the real world

pebble

I'll be honest with you, considering the attitude you have displayed on this thread, I would have trouble hiring you.
It would apear that you have trouble working under the slightest hint of pressure, and I'm sure a busy place like eBAy isn't for the easily fussed.

But thats just my opinion. If you do find out why the wouldn't hire you, will it make you feel better?

eth0_

Easily fussed? I agree with the guy, and having been in the same position as him I can confirm that the HR interview was more like an interrogation and was *extremely* intrusive, to the point of being very unprofessional. There's no need to ask someone the ins and outs of their army career, for a start he's not allowed to tell people about his army experiences.

Wrestlemania

Originally posted by pebble
I'll be honest with you, considering the attitude you have displayed on this thread, I would have trouble hiring you.
It would apear that you have trouble working under the slightest hint of pressure, and I'm sure a busy place like eBAy isn't for the easily fussed.

But thats just my opinion. If you do find out why the wouldn't hire you, will it make you feel better?

Dude My military career has no relevance to my civilan life maybe when i left but certainly not now.

Stress in work and pressure I can handle as much as the next especially being from the army that is pressure.

I have worked in a call centre for a year and also AOL so I know the score.

The fact is EBay have a stupid HR policy which will result in a high attrition rate down the line as the younger people and also the foreigns ie. EU nationalites will stay for a few months the head off travelling etc... I worked in Clientlogic for a year and the attrition rate was 98% but the older people stayed while the younger got bored and headed off.

grumpytrousers

But thats just my opinion. If you do find out why the wouldn't hire you, will it make you feel better?

Oooh - touch of the Nail/Head interface there...

Also - would you really want to work for any company that didn't want to have you?

Would you really want to work for any company that didn't want to have you after you found out why they didn't want you?

Would the pissy little payout you'd get for *not* getting a job in custumer support really give your self worth that much of a boost.

F*** Ebay! Sound like a shower of twunts to a man. Move on...

Wrestlemania

Grumpy you are 100% correct just want them to know that I know that they know that I know ;-)

Fu8k them is right, heads up for anyone here although

BuffyBot

Mountain, molehill tbh

Our man in Havana

Originally posted by Wrestlemania
Grumpy you are 100% correct just want them to know that I know that they know that I know ;-)

Fu8k them is right, heads up for anyone here although

Be sure to request your notes under the data protection act and post back here if you find out anything good.

Wrestlemania

will do dude :-)

eth0_

Originally posted by grumpytrousers
Oooh - touch of the Nail/Head interface there...

Also - would you really want to work for any company that didn't want to have you?

Would you really want to work for any company that didn't want to have you after you found out why they didn't want you?

Would the pissy little payout you'd get for *not* getting a job in custumer support really give your self worth that much of a boost.

F*** Ebay! Sound like a shower of twunts to a man. Move on...

I really think you're missing the point. Do you honestly mean to tell me if you were turned down for a job on the grounds of age, and it was admitted to you, that you would just shrug your shoulders and forget about it?
He's not looking for them to offer him a job now, or a 'payout', it's the principle of the thing! I'd have done the exact same thing.

pebble

Originally posted by eth0_
I really think you're missing the point. Do you honestly mean to tell me if you were turned down for a job on the grounds of age, and it was admitted to you, that you would just shrug your shoulders and forget about it?
He's not looking for them to offer him a job now, or a 'payout', it's the principle of the thing! I'd have done the exact same thing.

eth0_, I know you have an axe to grind against pretty much every employer and have little if anything good to say about any company you have ever worked for, but I sometimes wonder what it is you feel you are suppling to this forum with comments like this.
I don't think anyone has said he was descriminated agains ton the grounds of age. In fact Wrestlemania also goes on to say

I think she was saying it as they were expecting less mature people to mould easily

, as opposed to 'we are not hiring you because you are too old. There is a vast difference between the two.

Believe it or not, just because you take the time to go to an interview does not give you the God-given right to demand you get an answer, an explination or a contract on their decision making process.

Now, as the flag bearer for wounded unskilled workers everywhere, I would ask you to consider the many sides of employment in future before rushing off on some 'defend the prolitariate' type mission in future.

In all fairness, the guy didn't get a job. My advice to him is move on, learn from it, and stop looking for answers where really, there isn't anything useful.
Most call centres are the same. I don't understand why people are shocked when they expereince the same thing time after time after time.

I mean, do people refuse to learn the lesson the first time around or am i missing something?

koneko

Just because you go for an interview, doesn't mean you're entitled to the job. You might not be the most suitable person for it.

If you're turned down, just accept it and move on. They're under no obligation to hire you just because you think you're the bees knees.

eth0_

Originally posted by pebble
eth0_, I know you have an axe to grind against pretty much every employer and have little if anything good to say about any company you have ever worked for, but I sometimes wonder what it is you feel you are suppling to this forum with comments like this.

I beg your pardon? What the hell are you talking about? I've worked for one company i've hated, actually, i've been very happy in the two other companies i've worked for/currently work in. As for me being the flag-bearer for the unskilled worker - what ??? A> I'm not an unskilled worker B> I was genuinely astounded that a company like eBay would tell a prospective employee he didn't get the job because he was 'too old'. That's my only beef here. I'm not exactly proposing he take them to the court for human rights, now am I?

Wrestlemania

I have been offered a job by BOI now although IT it is a different type no longer QA but Junior Net Admin which will be more hands on a less scripting etc ;-)

Wrestlemania

Originally posted by eth0_
I beg your pardon? What the hell are you talking about? I've worked for one company i've hated, actually, i've been very happy in the two other companies i've worked for/currently work in. As for me being the flag-bearer for the unskilled worker - what ??? A> I'm not an unskilled worker B> I was genuinely astounded that a company like eBay would tell a prospective employee he didn't get the job because he was 'too old'. That's my only beef here. I'm not exactly proposing he take them to the court for human rights, now am I?

I back Etho on all he says aswell as he seems to have a good level head on his shoulders, I myself would love to work for myself but alas like the majority of us will have to put up the wage slave employers...One day I will win the LOTTO :-)

WhiteWashMan

Originally posted by Wrestlemania
I back Etho on all he says aswell as he seems to have a good level head on his shoulders, I myself would love to work for myself but alas like the majority of us will have to put up the wage slave employers...One day I will win the LOTTO :-)

eth0_ is a she.


and much like michael moore, is pretty interesting, but still very one sided and biased

although she doesnt much like me

she tends to respond to absolutely everythig and makes perfect troll target material. although, funnily enough, she never responded to me when i coaught her lying about her job and being unemployed earlier this year. funny that

and she really does take everything personally.

just so pebble doesnt ban me, i will take this back on topic.

wrestlemania, id say not to worry about not getting a job in place with a high turnover. call centres an places like this are all very much the same. i would avoid like the plague unless desperate for a job, or looking for a first step on the ladder. since you are already there, and you apper to have something substantial from BOI, go for it.
Although, im not too sure about the scripting bit and networking. there is certainly not much scripting in networking (unless you start getting into unix scripting and application serving) but its a change, and probably a good one. i would have killed for that job about 3 years ago.
let us know how it turns out.

with respect to all. i dont think there is much to add anymore. so unless someone has something to say about the topic in hand, and not just moaning about rubbish (yes eth0, i do mean you), lets let this one die shall we?