Article: KKK welcomes Irish move to limit citizenship rights

Seth Brundle

kinda says it all really!

from BreakingNews.ie

KKK welcomes Irish move to limit citizenship rights
15/07/2004 - 09:12:55

The US white supremacist group the Ku Klux Klan has welcomed the Irish electorate’s decision to approve the Government’s recent citizenship referendum.

In an interview with The Dubliner magazine, the Imperial Vizard of the KKK, Ray Larson, praised Justice Minister Michael McDowell and the Irish voters for restricting citizenship according to bloodlines rather than birthplace.

The KKK is a virulently racist group that murdered hundreds of African Americans in a campaign of terrorism that petered out in the 1960s.

L5

Its not as if were being racist, just falling in line with most of the other european countries with regard to citizenship laws.

Seth Brundle

IMO, if the KKK approve of an action then that was not a good action!

Manach

From memory I believe the KKK also approves of clean roads/anti-litter. I take it you will now in future refuse to drop empty crisp packets into a bin?

Seth Brundle

you know what I mean!

Stark

The KKK is a virulently racist group that murdered hundreds of African Americans in a campaign of terrorism that petered out in the 1960s.

<sarcasm>Wow, I didn't know that, thank you.</sarcasm>

I still believe the referendum decision wasn't racist, just common sense. And it's restricting citizenship based on connection to country not bloodlines.

oscarBravo

Originally posted by Stark
I still believe the referendum decision wasn't racist, just common sense. And it's restricting citizenship based on connection to country not bloodlines.

Really? When "connection to country" is defined as "who your parents are" it becomes a moot sort of distinction, doesn't it?

sceptre

Before the thread takes the inevitable turn, I'd like to point something simple: the views of a wacky bunch of murdering rednecks shouldn't colour anyone's perception of the rights or wrongs of any given decision. Unless yer in Tennessee, boy. I realise I've said this before, but anyone who voted no (including me) in the last abortion referendum was guaranteed to have a large number of people voting the same way whose views on abortion you certainly didn't agree with (the odds are good that the most liberal person in the country voted the same way as the most conservative person in the country). If the country had voted no in the citizenship referendum and the KKK had issued a statement the next day saying that we'd done the right thing as the proposal didn't go far enough and we really should have been burning those cottno-pickin darkies, it wouldn't attract much more than a sidenote.

Given that the dcision has, for better or for worse, been made, the best thing we can do to avoid giving the KKK what they want is to welcome any new citizens we do have that happen to be a little on the tanned side and to act welcoming to any that go through the hoops and effort of the waiting game in the future. The KKK are just looking for political capital and a few extra members for the various whitey movements out of this.

I suppose y'all can talk about bloodlines for good or ill and eventually make stuff up now so have fun with that.

Batbat

It was a recist referendum Im ashamed to be Irish

IgnatiusJRiley

Originally posted by Batbat
I was a recist referendum Im ashamed to be Irish

I'm sure you were a recist referendum but so long as you've changed your ways, you have nothing to be ashamed of!

Originally posted by Batbat
It was a recist referendum Im ashamed to be Irish

Interesting that you corrected your post but still didn't spell racist correctly!

Hobbes

In other news the KKK say breathing is a great move. Millions die of suffucation in protest.

Gurgle

Posted by IgnatiusJRiley:
Interesting that you corrected your post but still didn't spell racist correctly!

Excellent contribution, spelling correction.

omg, arcadegame2004 is Ray Larson

So we, the irish, agree with the KKK only on the points of clean roads, picking up litter and keeping black people out.

Posted by L5:Its not as if were being racist, just falling in line with most of the other european countries with regard to citizenship laws.

What have the immigration laws of the continental countries got to do with it ?
Was the EU putting pressure on Ireland to bring the citizenship laws into line ?
It was an entirely racist referendum, with various levels of bullshìt to give it an appearance of respectability.
80% of the country's voters are either gullible fools or racists.
Or both.
-spelling corrected-

damnyanks

What if the KKK thought reducing global warming was a good measure? Would you then decide well if the KKK think its ok something must be wrong with it?

Fact is the majority decision in the election was passed. This means more people voted for that option rather then the other. Question their motives if you wish. It was a democratic election. If you think the majority of Ireland have almost the exact same beliefs on a number of issues as the KKK, great! Really does show the level of inteligence and logic behind your thoughts

Gurgle

Actually, I think probably 60% of the voters were misled by the governments insistance that the referendum was in some way related to alleged current & future refugee problems. The other 20% are just racists.*

* figures above bear no relation to and are not derived from any actual facts

mike65

Can someone close this thread now before we have the Irish chapter of Stormfront laughing at us!?

Mike.

Hagar

Who cares what Kerry Kounty Kouncil thinks about anything?

Captain Trips

Originally posted by Gurgle

What have the immigration laws of the continental countries got to do with it ?
Was the EU putting pressure on Ireland to bring the citizenship laws into line ?
It was an entirely racist referendum, with various levels of bullshìt to give it an appearance of respectability.
80% of the country's voters are either gullible fools or racists.
Or both.
-spelling corrected-

Actually no, if the laws were left the way they were, we would have a far more exposed and open immigration system than even the traditional bastion of immigration, the US. You could be born there, but you would not get automatic citizenship there and certainly your family would have no right to remain there until you reach the age of majority (18).

So why in god's name in Ireland are 80% in a democracy being called racist because they feel a regulated immigration policy like the US have is better? I'm sure once again it can't be just because everyone else is so wrong that you are so right.

Examine the immigration laws of the rest of the western world and you'd find Ireland sticks out like a sore thumb. The law as it was allowed open access to all other EU countries with that initial Irish passport (immediate plus familial reciprocating passports, unlike the US, Australia, Canada, UK, anywhere else in the west with lots of immigration) and it also allowed exposed access to the US as we are the only country in the world that has US immigration outside of US borders (yes, no ****). So surprisingly 80% of country voted to protect to immigration holes of the EU and US and arrange for a far more above board immigration. You can still immigrate here, but it shouldn't mean that it's a quick hop to the UK like it was (for many who were being refused UK entry visas).

Try and accept democracy and education for a change.

flogen

As I said before and after the referendum, and as sceptre pointed out, just because a racist or racist group supports something, doesnt make it a racist proposal, and doesnt make other supporters racist too.

It's a shame that morons like this guy supported the legislation for their own blurred and moronic reasons, but its not why I supported it and I hope its not why the majority of Irish people supported it.

flogen

Phil_321

The KKK say oppressing black people is good, so does that mean that we should stop oppressing black people now.



Calm down, I'm joking.

It wasn't racist and I'm sick of all the NO people saying anyone who voted for it was either ignorant or racist. It's done now and you can whinge all you want about it, it's not going to change it.

Mercury_Tilt

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flogen

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
I heard that ex KKK duderino being interviewed on the Last word. tbh he wiped the floor with the interviewer and the other bloke.

When the interviewer tried to be a smart ass and mention the whole Americans killing off the indians/ thus being immigrants argument... the KKK dude kinda went yeah...."I agree the indians were over taken/invaded and look at their culture now.. lost... thats my point"

Suffice is to say the interviewer had little to say.

I thought it was gas tbh.

I would have liked to hear that... I cant understand how someone with such fanatical racist views can win an argument (and win properly, not like those stormfront morons). Then again, a good enough debater can prove that up is down and black is white (no pun intended).
I remember my old History teacher managed to win a debate against my English teacher in which he claimed the classroom door didn't exist... brilliant stuff.

flogen

Mercury_Tilt

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flogen

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
It’s not about "winning". You cannot "win" and ideological argument as such.

It’s more or less about having views or opinions and expressing them in a logical and understandable manner.

Much like the ex KKK duderino did. I have to say I couldnt find fault with his reasons for taking the stance that he did.

I should also add I have a stormfront account and resent the moron remark!

true, you cant win as such, although you can outsmart your opponent and leave them speechless, as this guy seems to have done. It's usually through having better facts and research (and being able to use them to further your point), and just being good at twisting things and directing them to the way you want it to go.

And stormfront suck! .! I was refering to the recent influx of them on this forum, isn't it all just Nazi/white power stuff there??

flogen

sceptre

Originally posted by flogen
And stormfront suck! .! I was refering to the recent influx of them on this forum, isn't it all just Nazi/white power stuff there??

Oh not at all, young flogen. They also discuss flower arranging, football, home shopping, Batman and how these activities relate to Nazi/white power stuff. Mercury_Tilt is particularly keen on discussing multiple arrangements for white and black tulips (keeping them in separate vases out of sight of each other of course)

In_Diana_Jones

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
I heard that ex KKK duderino being interviewed on the Last word. tbh he wiped the floor with the interviewer and the other bloke.

When the interviewer tried to be a smart ass and mention the whole Americans killing off the indians/ thus being immigrants argument... the KKK dude kinda went yeah...."I agree the indians were over taken/invaded and look at their culture now.. lost... thats my point"

Suffice is to say the interviewer had little to say.

I thought it was gas tbh.

I have no argument with your point here...however I think your name is incredibly distasteful and will could great distress to any members of the Irish Unionist and Loyalist communities that have lost relatives in Northern Ireland to Mercury Tilt bombings.

As for your signature: Building an Ireland of Equals? Emmmm, except if you're a Unionist or Loyalist I take it from your parties point of view!?!

flogen

Originally posted by sceptre
Oh not at all, young flogen. They also discuss flower arranging, football, home shopping, Batman and how these activities relate to Nazi/white power stuff. Mercury_Tilt is particularly keen on discussing multiple arrangements for white and black tulips (keeping them in separate vases out of sight of each other of course)

lol... fasinating... you learn something new every day!

flogen

Mercury_Tilt

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In_Diana_Jones

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
What exactly is a Mercury Tilt bombing?

Is it some thing I do in my sleep?

No, it's what your beloved Sinn Fein and their good buddies the PIRA used to do to Prison Officers in the 1970's....as if you didn't know!

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by In_Diana_Jones
No, it's what your beloved Sinn Fein and their good buddies the PIRA used to do to Prison Officers in the 1970's....as if you didn't know!

With Mercury Tilt being the moderator for the Prison Forum, I think he has prisons officers best interests at heart

In_Diana_Jones

Now that's ironic, are you listening Alanis?

Originally posted by sceptre
Before the thread takes the inevitable turn, I'd like to point something simple: the views of a wacky bunch of murdering rednecks shouldn't colour anyone's perception of the rights or wrongs of any given decision.

I agree and you know the ironic thing about this?
Yup it's the KKK's opinion on catholicism....
Whether you are lapsed or practising they'd have you burned to a cross aswell, because you may be Irish and white white,(woe betide if you're Irish and any other colour) but you're not an anglo saxon protestant....

Kinda says it all about the value of their opinion on matters in this country really...

In_Diana_Jones

Originally posted by Earthman
I agree and you know the ironic thing about this?
Yup it's the KKK's opinion on catholicism....
Whether you are lapsed or practising they'd have you burned to a cross aswell, because you may be Irish and white white,(woe betide if you're Irish and any other colour) but you're not an anglo saxon protestant....

Kinda says it all about the value of their opinion on matters in this country really...

Is there a trend with Mods on boards making sectarian comments?

Originally posted by In_Diana_Jones
Is there a trend with Mods on boards making sectarian comments?

whats sectarian about that?
I merely pointed out the irony of the KKK congratulating the Irish people when most of the Irish people are of a religion that the KKK would be totally opposed to.
I didn't give an opinion on any religion and therefore wasn't sectarian.
I merely proffered a fact as I understand it.

sceptre

Originally posted by In_Diana_Jones
No, it's what your beloved Sinn Fein and their good buddies the PIRA used to do to Prison Officers in the 1970's....as if you didn't know!

In all fairness, my car probably has at least six mercury tilt switches in it as well. Like lots of other uses for the things. It's not as though M_T called himself OldStyleTickingClock_WithABlueWireAttachedAsAHollywoodDecoy (or Fertiliser&Diesel). MT switches are cheap and reasonably reliable but no-one makes bombs with them any more unless they're especially impecunious bombers - they're more likely to use mercury free changeover tilt switches instead (more resistant to slight bounces as well so they probably don't have to be assembled on site).

As for your dislike for Earthman's post (edit: sorry Earthman, I see you're after getting in a reply before me), his comments are completely accurate. The KKK aren't famed for burning WASPs and you know (or should know) that he's making the point that looking for support from a pile of Irish Catholics[1] puts them in the same category as the imagined "Jew using the Black" that the KKK (and Illinois Nazis, movie fans) like to whinge about. Show where his comments indicate intolerance of Protestants or anyone except the fools in the KKK and you might have a point. Ditto mine. I called them a "wacky bunch of murdering rednecks" and I don't see that as unfair to people who are wacky, murdering or redneck. Shocking he number of people that didn't realise Randy Newman[2] was being sarcastic as well.


[1]Does "Irish Catholics" have a collective noun? A "church of Catholics" sounds as bad as a gaggle or even a flock
[2]Good Old Boys really is quite a good album, if only for the sarcasm that runs through it.

Actually
I have a milk pump here with a mercury tilt switch in it.
I'd forgotten about that and I'd not even remembered now 'till you brought it up.

Boardsie - it's so educational.

monument

Originally posted by flogen
true, you cant win as such, although you can outsmart your opponent and leave them speechless, as this guy seems to have done. It's usually through having better facts and research (and being able to use them to further your point), and just being good at twisting things and directing them to the way you want it to go.

Things like the BNP agreeing with current UK government on “multiculturalism”, doesn’t help. They, and most others like them, have adjusted their language - ‘multiculturalism’ = keeping different cultures away from each other…

…which is a bit like what the majority of voters here voted for. We have to do our best to keep the Irish culture and land pure [sic]. Actually the BNP’s, and KKK’s, PR work is on par to the justification to the yes vote.

There's one thing I have to admire about a straight talking raciest.

flogen

Originally posted by monument
…which is a bit like what the majority of voters here voted for. We have to do our best to keep the Irish culture and land pure [sic]. Actually the BNP’s, and KKK’s, PR work is on par to the justification to the yes vote.

Well it may have been the argument and justification for some (and not to turn this into another thread about the whole thing) but I voted for it because of the potential strain the health service could come over if there was a huge influx of 'citizenship tourists', I have no problem with genuine asylum seakers, or even for ones trying to take advantage as long as they are willing to work and not just sit around and get money from the government (god knows we have enough homegrown dole spongers, and i laugh at anyone who has a problem with foreigners 'taking our jobs' too). I also know that there is no current crisis of immigrant births, and any health crisis is a result of cuts and bad managment, but the fact was the constitution was open to abuse, so I wanted it fixed.

I'd like to think I was not alone in this stance, but I am realistic enough to concede that many people just 'wanted the blacks out' or something stupid like that. I can also see how the BNP and KK would support the yes side, and again, its sad to see.

If these are the kind of people who represent pure Irish or English culture then culture mixtures couldnt happen quick enough. I think different cultures have had an amazingly positive impact in Dublin, and I assume elsewhere too.

flogen

arcadegame2004

Originally posted by KBannon
IMO, if the KKK approve of an action then that was not a good action!

I see. Well Hitler liked alsations. So I suppose then a person has to avoid owning an alsation to avoid being "racist". And Hitler's wife Eva Braun had blonde hair. So I suppose then you think that going out with a blonde is racist too. Oh cop on will you!:D

In response to Gurgle, the Irish people did not vote "Yes" out of "confusion. The Referendum Commission poll was taken early on in the campaign and had been overtaken by more information by the time the Commission released it. Everyone I spoke to about the referendum knew exactly what it was about. The idea that we must allow all non-nationals in the world to become Irish citizens by turning up here pregnant is stupid and would place potentially unbelievable financial burdens on the Irish state, as well as giving new impetus to the rise in house-prices, with houses becoming less plentiful for the rest of us as a result of the State handing them to these cynical exploiters of our generous system. I do not hate other races. I despise the KKK and the BNP etc. I am utterly against violence against people on the basis of race.

You only have to look at the results of the RTE Exit Poll to see why people voted "Yes". And given a second chance, I would again vote yes.

Why? Because human-nature dictates that if Ireland were to be the nearest Western country to Africa to allow citizenship solely on grounds of birth, then the potential existed for large-scale migration to Ireland in pregnancy with that itself in mind. Now if the rest of the EU were allowing this aswell, it wouldn't have been such a problem for me, because then the cost of housing these people would have been shared among EU members. Unfortunately, the discrepancy between Ireland's citizenship laws and those of the remainder of the EU with regard to entitlement to citizenship on the grounds of birth meant that the burden of migration motivated by citizenship-entitlements would be placed on Irish shoulders alone in the EU. And is that fair for one of the smallest economies in Western Europe?

Almost all of those countries allowing citizenship solely on grounds of birth are countries built on immigration, i.e. countries founded by colonists, e.g. all of South and North America, as well as New Zealand and Australia. Two exceptions are India and Pakistan - although with thousands of ethnic-groups and languages there national-identity was never really based on ethnicity there.

Europe and much of Asia, however, are different. In Europe, nations are traditionally based on an ethnic majority. Switzerland is an exception to this rule, though perhaps the only one. That is not to say that Europe is "racist", just that national-identity has a different basis in Europe. I am very determined that Irish people with a relative born here should remain the majority of the population in Ireland. Unfortunately left-wing politicians who do not respect this difference between Europe and the so-called "New World" have pursued policies of mass-migration that ultimately spawned the rise of the Far Right,e.g. Vlaams Bloc in Belgium, Freedom Party in Austria, Alleanzo Nationale in Italy, Fronte Nationale in France, rising support for the BNP in Britain (over 5% in the Euro elections). I personally deplore these racist parties. But the Left in these countries have handed ammunition to them by the uncontrolled way in which they have created unnecessary costs for the social-welfare system and longer housing-lists as asylum-seekers received preferential treatment with respect to housing. Racist parties were bound to exploit this issue, but that is NOT to say that anyone angry about it is a racist. The Left have only themselves to blame.

In Ireland too, the Left would take us down this road. In spite of the clear expression of opposition to it demonstrated in the recent referendum. I firmly believe that the high (by Irish referendum standards) turnout of 60% was largely due to the issues relevant to the referendum. The exit-poll underlines the strong opposition felt by the Irish people to Ireland being the sole bearer of the burden of citizenship-tourism into the EU, whatever its scale. It underlines also, the concern felt at the implications of the Chen ruling, which might have led to the mass influx of pregnant asylum-seekers to Ireland, to claim in the ECJ that their deportation was illegal on the grounds that their child/children were Irish/EU citizens. Okay so there is dispute as to the exact implications of Chen, but the possibility in itself was unacceptable. At the very least it meant that a rich woman from outside the EU could stay in the EU by coming here pregnant. Is it not ironic that the Left were supportive of this ruling by the ECJ, given their much-vaunted commitment to "equality"? It smacks of passports for sale and one rule for the rich and another for the poor, if Chen means that any rich person can benefit as she did from our citizenship-laws. At most the ruling may have meant that anyone who turns up here pregnant can stay in the EU forever, provided they give birth here. The Left didn't seem very concerned about the potential (and probably current) pressures this places on an already overburdened health-service. And regardless of whether you think the Health-Service has enough money, surely what money it does have should primarily be for the benefit of Irish citizens, rather than those seeking to take advantage of a generous system?

We also voted "Yes" to send a signal to the politicians that we will not accept overly soft immigration policies. By all means allow some to come here via work-permits/visas if you wish to fill job vacancies that can't be filled from Irish or EU labour. But please dump those stupid proposals from the Enterprise Strategy Group for letting 400,000 non-nationals come to Ireland in the next FIVE years. I mean, five years! A few years ago they were telling us we needed 200,000. Now that we have 260,000 non-nationals, they are telling us we "need" 400,000. How can they know this? Economic growth ebbs and flows. They cannot possibly know what the economic situation in Ireland will be five years from now. Who would have predicted the US recession? Is cheap-labour the agenda here? I suspect that it may be. If you let 400,000 in during a 5 year period, and continue at that rate, then Irish people will become a minority in our own country. I hope that FG (who I voted for in the recent elections for the first time) will act as a counterbalance to the insatiable demands of Labour for unlimited immigration in the next Government.

AmenToThat

Originally posted by Batbat
It was a recist referendum Im ashamed to be Irish

Agreed!

FF, PD, FG, BNP, KKK very little difference between any of them in my opinion!

ozt9vdujny3srf

I think you've all missed the point of why a lot of people voted no on this referendum.

It wasn't done out of primciples(as if FF have any), it was done in order to try and win back some of the "get them romanians out" eejits from sinn féin.

Although the referendum itself was not about something directly racist, it was done to gain the support of those with racist tendancies.

arcadegame2004

What does the word "recist" mean Batbat?

bonkey

Originally posted by arcadegame2004
In response to Gurgle, the Irish people did not vote "Yes" out of "confusion. The Referendum Commission poll was taken early on in the campaign and had been overtaken by more information by the time the Commission released it.

Coming from one of the posters who seemed to delight in posting misinformation here about the issues, the facts behind the issues, and virtually anything else related to the referendum, I find this comment to be highly amusing....only I'm pretty sure you didn't intend it that way.

Everyone I spoke to about the referendum knew exactly what it was about.

He says conveniently forgetting the myriad of people here on boards to whom he repeatedly told them that they did not understand the issues because they believed it was about different issues then he did.

Oh - and I'd appreciate it if people would lay off the Stormfront-bashing. You'll only encourage them to come back, and while it might be a great giggle for many of you, it doesn't make moderating the forum a particularly easy job at times.

jc

Gurgle

Posted by Arcadegit2004:What does the word "recist" mean Batbat?

After careful re-reading and consideration of the context, I believe it may be the word 'racist' slightly mis-spelt. Its great to know you're on the lookout to help everyone improve their spelling, as well as keeping Ireland pure.

In_Diana_Jones

Originally posted by Earthman
whats sectarian about that?
I merely pointed out the irony of the KKK congratulating the Irish people when most of the Irish people are of a religion that the KKK would be totally opposed to.
I didn't give an opinion on any religion and therefore wasn't sectarian.
I merely proffered a fact as I understand it.

Anything that marginalises any section of Irish society...as you did to Anglicans with your comment....is a sectarian statement.

Originally posted by In_Diana_Jones
Anything that marginalises any section of Irish society...as you did to Anglicans with your comment....is a sectarian statement.

Well then by your definition,I merely pointed out that the KKK were sectarian towards Catholics.
I made no personal comment against anglicans.

Hobbes

Originally posted by arcadegame2004
What does the word "recist" mean Batbat?

I believe it means your pretentious.

bonkey

Originally posted by In_Diana_Jones
I think your name is incredibly distasteful

If you have a problem, then complain somewhere relevant. A thread about the KKK welcoming the result of a referendum on citizenship ain't it.

Also, considering the incomparable wit you show with your own name, you might want to consider a pot/kettle adage before persuing this line any further.

Furthermore - and this doesn't just apply to you - if you have a problem with the comments people are making here, then report the post and quit with this pointless bickering approach which is getting in the way of discussing the actual topic.

jc

Mercury_Tilt

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bobbyjoe

Wouldn’t take too much notice of the KKK congratulating us Eugene Terreblanche leader of the Afrikaner Resistance Movement did aswel.
Anyway aren’t Catholics next on their list after dark skinned people.

Still for the purpose of clarity there are a few hypocritical comments made that I’d have to pull up.

Arcadegame2004:
You only have to look at the results of the RTE Exit Poll to see why people voted "Yes". And given a second chance, I would again vote yes.

That RTE poll said the following:
63% of them voted to keep the foreigners out. 20% to keep in line with Europe whatever that means and 14% for the supposed “right” reason

Also one of the strategies of the far right is to disseminate and spread lies about minorities.

Arcadegame2004:
left-wing politicians who do not respect this difference between Europe and the so-called "New World" have pursued policies of mass-migration that ultimately spawned the rise of the Far Right,e.g. Vlaams Bloc in Belgium, Freedom Party in Austria, Alleanzo Nationale in Italy, Fronte Nationale in France, rising support for the BNP in Britain (over 5% in the Euro elections).

This is the funniest yet.
From a guy who says.

Arcadegame2004: yes I do believe they get free houses.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?postid=1669381#post1669381

Despite being shown otherwise many times.

Arcade still going on about the Chen case even though its been shown to you that it can happen again anyway even after the referendum. But you conveniently didn’t bother replying to that post.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?postid=1709324#post1709324

Sinner_Rez

I'm not sure if this point has been muted before. I started to read the whole thread but mine eyes did burn.

Can we just let the record show that pre the good friday agreement the power to decide whether or not being born in Ireland warrented Irish citizenship was already in the hands of the Oireachtas. When we had the referendum to decide on Articles 2 & 3 of our constitution that power was removed. This referendum basically returned the power to the Oireachtas to make that decision.

We did not vote to say that being born in Ireland doesn't make you an Irish Citizen, we voted to let the Oirechtas decide what should be the case.

So we were either racist before the Good Friday agreement. Or people still don't know what the referendum was about. Me, I think I'll go for the second answer.

arcadegame2004

Originally posted by Sinner_Rez
We did not vote to say that being born in Ireland doesn't make you an Irish Citizen, we voted to let the Oirechtas decide what should be the case.

Well the amendment stated that birth in Ireland would not automatically mean you get Irish citizenship unless the Dail said otherwise. That did alter the position that previously pertained whereby such a birth would automatically mean Irish citizenship, regardless of what the Dail thought.

Or people still don't know what the referendum was about. Me, I think I'll go for the second answer.

We knew exactly what it was about after all the stories in the media circulating for years about Supreme Court challenges by Nigerian women who gave birth in this country to their deportation.

That RTE poll said the following:
63% of them voted to keep the foreigners out. 20% to keep in line with Europe whatever that means and 14% for the supposed “right” reason

36% of those who voted "Yes" said they did it because "Immigrants are exploiting the country". 27% said it was because of "too many immigrants", while 20% said it was because "people born in Ireland shouldn't be automatically entitled to Irish citizenship".

Being opposed to unlimited immigration into Ireland is not racist. The "No" side were unable to justify the automaticity of citizenship on grounds of birth alone, so they fought a campaign of insults in an attempt to smear anyone who voted "Yes" as "racists", together with trying to make out that there were very few actually taking advantage of our citizenship-rules. But the referendum was about a principle aswell, not merely how many were exploiting the rules. If, as they claimed, very few were, then why did they oppose changing the rules, since according to their claims, very few would be affected?

A number of "No" voters are claiming that this referendum had nothing to do with immigration. But if that is so, then why are the majority of the "No" side going on about immigration so much in their condemnation of the decision of the people on June 11th?