internet explorer or not

gazz66

Am thinking of changing to mozilla. what are the pros and cons.

KdjaCL

No cons ,all pros.

Cant think of a bad thing to say about Firefox.

kdjac

garthv

aye ,i switched to firefox there a while ago,havent looked back since,IE sucks imo

PhoenixRising

I've been using Firefox for a good while now and find it much better than IE.

Also, there was an article on the back page of the indo today which might prompt you to change.Here(requires log-in)

Stark

I've never looked back after using Mozilla Firefox.

There might be the (very) occasional website that will only display correctly in Internet Explorer but that's rare, and sure Internet Explorer will still be on your system should you need it (if only someone would find a way of getting rid of it).

dregin

Even the official MS webzine recommends Firefox over IE!!

http://slate.msn.com/id/2103152/

W)oT

Dempsey

I must get this firefox, hearing good things....

ColmOT [MSFT]

<rant>emm...being pedantic, but MSN is a separate corporate entity from Microsoft Corp...
Articles published on MSN don't necessarily represent Microsoft Corporation's opinion...
</rant>

Captain Trips

I 6th Firefox! Very nice, clean interface, doesn't have the clunky-integrated-with-everything feel of IE. Plus it has tabs. And no Active X. And it's 4.7MB in size to download!!!

ColmOT [MSFT]

I have to agree, tabbed browsing is the way forward...I use Avant Browser most of the time and it's great...

besty

i agree,firefox pisses on ie

Capt'n Midnight

Reminder folks - Firefox is still beta - hasn't even reachec 1.0 yet.
Where as IE is a mature product from the worlds largest SW company and has been installed on 90% of computers since 1995.

No contest really - unless you need to connect to sites that have a M$ backend.

Have a look in the security forum - roughly half of all "windows" patches are for IE components.

Even if you decide to go IE, I'd still recomend you get another browser so you can download patches for IE.

Placebo

1) You can use tabs, instead of opening a new window
2) Loads pages much faster, much more stable, doesnt crash at all
3)You can get several plugins (eg: dictionary plugin, you just highlight the word and it right click it to get the meaning of it)
4)You can diable pop ups etc

Just get it.

oneweb

Welcome to the world of Mozilla! ww)
You'll never look back...

jesus_thats_gre

Opera is better!

tuxy

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
Opera is better!

is it free?

Capt'n Midnight

Free as in speach and Free as in beer and Fairly Free from holes and at less than 5MB it not to expensive for those on dial up

tman

Firefox - secks

going home in the evening and getting to use Firefox after a day of using ie is like a breath of fresh air:)

briano

Yeah, I like opera too. Handy to be able to use the same browser on w2k and linux, although the same could be said for mozilla.

The thing that really gets me though is the mouse gestures. Once you get used to them you'll find it difficult to use other browsers like IE.

My only pet peeve: you can't check your email at www.vodafone.ie using opera for some reason. I really have to email them about that.

But either way, you can't go wrong with opera or firefox, they're both great browsers.

hostyle

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight
Free as in speach and Free as in beer and Fairly Free from holes and at less than 5MB it not to expensive for those on dial up

When did they release the source?

ando

Originally posted by ColmOT [MSFT]
I have to agree, tabbed browsing is the way forward...I use Avant Browser most of the time and it's great...

me two, Avant is better than firefox imo. Its very easy to disable activeX, java applets, scripts, flash animations, plus it blocks pop ups... plus tabs, plus every website is displayed correctly and its only 980KBs

Capt'n Midnight

Originally posted by hostyle
When did they release the source?

Mozilla source can be downloaded easily
http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/ - licences
mozilla source is available at http://www.mozilla.org/source.html

http://lxr.mozilla.org/ - view source online

a quick search on "firefox" seems to find some of the modules too.. http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/find?string=firefox

fragile

Originally posted by tman
Firefox - secks

going home in the evening and getting to use Firefox after a day of using ie is like a breath of fresh air:)

I assume you cant install firefox on whatever PC you are using during the day, but it can be run from a USB memory stick, without having to install anything locally.

This means you can have the latest Firefox & Thunderbird with all your favorite extensions on a small memory stick and use them on any computer you happen to be using...

tman

Originally posted by fragile
I assume you cant install firefox on whatever PC you are using during the day, but it can be run from a USB memory stick, without having to install anything locally.

This means you can have the latest Firefox & Thunderbird with all your favorite extensions on a small memory stick and use them on any computer you happen to be using...

nope
the admins here have blocked everything bar the office suite and internet explorer.
i can't even use my shortcut to explorer, i have to open 'my computer' instead:rolleyes:

AntiRip

I have both firefox & netscape 7.1. Both are gr8, but if I want to download I use netscape because it lauches d/l accelerator. Firefox has it's own d/l manager but it doesn't resume d/l's.

Capt'n Midnight

Originally posted by AntiRip
I have both firefox & netscape 7.1. Both are gr8, but if I want to download I use netscape because it lauches d/l accelerator. Firefox has it's own d/l manager but it doesn't resume d/l's.

http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions - about a page down there are the Download Tools

DownloadWith
by Gustavo A. Bittencourt
Version: 0.0.7
File Size: 18 KB
Updated: 2004-04-19

Download files with external programs like wget, prozilla, Downloader for X, Flashget, Download Accelerator Plus and GetRight.
http://downloads.mozdev.org/downloadwith/downloadwith-0.0.7.xpi

AntiRip

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight
http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions - about a page down there are the Download Tools

DownloadWith
by Gustavo A. Bittencourt
Version: 0.0.7
File Size: 18 KB
Updated: 2004-04-19

Download files with external programs like wget, prozilla, Downloader for X, Flashget, Download Accelerator Plus and GetRight.
http://downloads.mozdev.org/downloadwith/downloadwith-0.0.7.xpi

I downloaded the extensions but it just gave me the option of getright which i don't have.

Capt'n Midnight

Originally posted by AntiRip
I downloaded the extensions but it just gave me the option of getright which i don't have.

Maybe check out it's homepage / FAQ / post on the Fire[NAME] forums / or contact Gustavo A. Bittencourt after you have tried the fother options exhaustively.

Remember FF hasn't made it to Version 1.0 yet so there will be some rough edges.

tman

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight
Download files with external programs like wget, prozilla, Downloader for X, Flashget, Download Accelerator Plus and GetRight.
http://downloads.mozdev.org/downloadwith/downloadwith-0.0.7.xpi

\o/
will be installing that later;
right clicking and choosing "copy link" so that you could download a file with getright is the only quibble i've had with firefox.

AntiRip

Also, downloading the google toolbar makes it unstable. Firefox keep shutting down. Installed it again & it's working fine now.

Thanks Capt'n Midnight for info.

Zenith74

I second Opera, been using it for years now. It used to be a bit flaky but the newer versions are extremely stable, I haven't seen it crash in months and even if it does it stores its state so you can just resume easily...

GreenHell

Switched to firefox about a month ago and I'm not switching back once you get used to tabbed browsing its the business, never crashes no problems with web sites and the extensions download thing is the business.

ando

do u guys using tabs with firefox and opera find boards.ie to be very slow when opening up new tabs? avant, well my avant browser hangs for about 5 seconds on each window that i open, just wondering if its the same for anyone else. it only happens on boards.ie btw

maxheadroom

Originally posted by ando
do u guys using tabs with firefox and opera find boards.ie to be very slow when opening up new tabs? avant, well my avant browser hangs for about 5 seconds on each window that i open, just wondering if its the same for anyone else. it only happens on boards.ie btw

Its probably the javascript menus - try turning off javascript and see if it makes a difference

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

Using firefox for about 2 weeks. Won't be using IE anymore. Piece of pi....

@ ando,
Don't seem to have that problem using tabs and boards. Are you using the latest version?

ambrose

Cabaal

I must say its very refreshing to see almost a whole thread promoting Mozilla/Firefox etc (Opera's good to),

But then again I suppose there's not much a person who uses IE can be happy about these last few days/weeks

I use firefox at work and at home

Töpher

Love Firefox, only one thing with it slightly pisses me off! If I select to open a file, it will open the download manager and show it downloading there, grand so far (lol ), but if I close the Firefox browser, yet leave the download manager open it will continue downloading then open the file (usually a zip) which will have nothing in it! :dunno:
Admittedly all I had to do was stop closing the main browser window, but sometimes I just do it by mistake!

(And I don't have a large HDD, hence the not saving of alot of stuff in its zipped state).

Either way, another thumbs up for Firefox.

dangerman

see sig

ie is a complete car crash.

only thing is as firefox/mozilla gets more popular, the script kiddies will turn their attention to attacking it; fingers crossed its got some solid code behind it.

aidan_walsh

Originally posted by dangerman

only thing is as firefox/mozilla gets more popular, the script kiddies will turn their attention to attacking it; fingers crossed its got some solid code behind it.

Yeah, but it still has the advantage in having a more dedicated open source community behind it to quickly fix the errors, which would immediatly be available on the nightly CVS builds, rather than wait 6 months for MS with the next patch or service pack...

Capt'n Midnight

Also the fixes tend to be a wee bit smaller..
Some IE fixes/service packs/addon's are more than 5MB.

Cabaal

Also the new update feature in Firefox should also help people keep ontop of any security holes that should be unearthed

Batbat

the security flaws have become too bad to be ignored in IE,, forgeting about security for a sec, I find firefox has some really nice features like tabed windows and it is nice and fast.

Also note XP Sp2 has been delayed AGAIN which has some IE fixes, it seems MS are more interested in finishing XP 64 then fixing stuff we actually payed for.

Thumper Long

MS should take a leaf out of Apples book and base the next IE Release on SAFARI (similar to mozilla). even IE for mac is a far better browser then the shyte they pawn off on windows users. Down with MS.

gazz66

using mozilla for over a week now and it is streets better than IE. ta for the advice.:D

hostyle

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight
Mozilla source can be downloaded easily
http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/ - licences
mozilla source is available at http://www.mozilla.org/source.html

http://lxr.mozilla.org/ - view source online

a quick search on "firefox" seems to find some of the modules too.. http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/find?string=firefox

Ahem. I was referring to Opera. Seem to have got my threads confused. Someone said "Opera was better". Someone replied "is it free?" You responded "free as in speech, free as in beer" and I assumed you were referring to the Opera question. You obviously weren't.

Capt'n Midnight

threads confused - happens

http://www.opera.com/buy/
Buy Opera 7 for Windows

* Surf ad free. When you pay and register Opera, the ad banner disappears.
* Access to support. Receive e-mail responses quickly that answer your browser questions.
* Opera Web Mail. Get your own Premium Web Mail account for 6 months with 25 MB of storage -- for free

Price: USD 39
so it's a commercial product, the current version of which is usable for now as Adware - the license could change anytime - but since they want to build market share that's unlikely. AdAware/spybot killers may invalicate your license if you block the sponsored a[ds.

Cabaal

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight
threads confused - happens

http://www.opera.com/buy/
Buy Opera 7 for Windows

This is of course (in a few) better for Mozilla as it'll help it get more of the market share, I wounder will Opera ever launch a fully free browser?

Opera selling its browser reminds me of when Netscape did it and they had to change to a free version because of MS.

Capt'n Midnight

Netscape 7.2 is due out this summer
http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/28/0232220.shtml
I'm not holding my breath.

egan007

RIP Internet Explorer
Mozill Firefox is king long live the king

Cabaal

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight
Netscape 7.2 is due out this summer
http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/28/0232220.shtml
I'm not holding my breath.

Scary eh?

AOL should either get there act together and embrace Mozilla and produce Mozilla with the AOL logo or they should kill off Netscape

Instead they slap Netscape in the face a make a Netscape IE Toolbar - http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

And also waste time making this heap of crap, Netscape Desktop Navigator - http://navigator.netscape.com/

I used to be a massive fan of Netscape and I found it a sad day when Netscape 6.0 rolled out like a bloated slug, it (for the most part) ruined Netscape and lost alot of fans.
Thankfully Mozilla has got the fans back along with many more but none the less its very disappointing.

I only wish AOL produced a Windows Gecko client like they did for MacOSX it would have changed the playing field with IE.

hostyle

WTF? Netscape 6 and everything since is based on Mozilla. They just added lots of bloat. That how they make their money apparently. AOL pay the Mozilla Foundation lots of money after all ...