Garda I.D's

daveyjoe

A few questions...
How do you go about getting them?
Do I have to personally go in and apply for one myself or can I get a parent to do it?
How long will I have to wait (usually)?
Is there any other forms of age identification that nightclubs will accept in the meantime? (do they accept passports?)

I'm in Cork if that makes any difference to any of the above questions.

TheWolf

Go to your local Gardai station with 6-7 quid, and two forms of ID (I think one has to be your birth cert) Fill it out, hand it back.

You will have to go in at some point to sign it in front of them

Have no idea how long you'll be waiting, someone from Cork might be able to help you there

Passport should be fine, just be careful with it

Hope that helps

daveyjoe

Originally posted by TheWolf
Go to your local Gardai station with 6-7 quid, and two forms of ID (I think one has to be your birth cert) Fill it out, hand it back.

You will have to go in at some point to sign it in front of them

Have no idea how long you'll be waiting, someone from Cork might be able to help you there

Passport should be fine, just be careful with it

Hope that helps

Thanks that helps a lot.

Any anyone from Cork, have an idea how long I'll be waiting?

Superman

ah ya have to wait blaeden ages! like blaeden 6 weeks!

jabberwock

have a look at
National Age Card on oasis

daveyjoe

Seriously, 6 weeks. I can get a fake one in less than a week.

Six weeks is the whole bloody summer. I'll get myself down the Garda station sometime tomorrow and see what they say anyway.

daveyjoe

Originally posted by jabberwock
have a look at
National Age Card on oasis

Thanks for the link.

jabberwock

6 weeks??? doesn't sound right.

you get a Garda receipt when you pay for it .
with that and your birth cert you could try getting into places.
depends on where you go really i suppose.

my brother used that until he actually got the id. worked sometimes. do know how long he had to wait for it thou.

you'd get a passport in 10 working days if you reall y need some id. put that would cost you ~€60 AFAIR

RobertFoster

you can also use your driving licence (if you have one that is...)

jabberwock

ah ya but nowwhere has to accept a driving license as id afaik - or is that only the provisional they don't accept?!?:rolleyes:

PowerHouseDan

6 weeks if wat they say so if by chance there is a delay you cant go complainin to them saying you said it would take 3 weeks, i got mine in about 2-3 weeks i am also from cork, they take full driving lis but not pro,but they would ask for backup with a full too

Hell_en_earth

I have one of those, the time it takes to get to you depends on which station you go to. You should head to one in the city that usually get's out within a couple of weeks. But the max you should be waiting is 6 weeks it says that on the form!!
BUt everywhere should accept passport and both diving licence's! They have to because they are government issued id and ya can report them if they don't accept it!!

PowerHouseDan

reporting them doesnt make a different places have a right to refuse,they dont have to accept them,most off lis only take Garda id,you cant report them for not takin passport or drivers

Imposter

Originally posted by Hell_en_earth
BUt everywhere should accept passport and both diving licence's!

But they don't. I saw a pub in Mullingar, refuse people with both of these id's stating garda id's only. This was to people who were 24 and 25 who didn't have Garda ID's as only younger people got/had garda id's. This defense was also lost on the bungalow of a doorman.

Superman

ah well itys summer so drinkin fields shouldn't be too bad!

dark_knight_ire

I am a garda and well from experience in about 4 week you will get it depending on time of year. The Start of the college year can be longer for good reasons. You will need two photos reason being on is on file so if you lose the first ID you get a second free. You dont need a birth cert i don't accept them i only take say passports or D/L.

Saying that getting a fake ID is fast but no place good will accept them. The charge is €6.00 you get a receipt a lot of places will accept that as proof until you get the card. I have the best garda ID going a badge lol noone argues with that. Funny i get stopped a lot more these days then when i first turned 18 lol/

Agent Smith

i never once got asked for id untill i was 18.....


stange that...

the evil belly

Originally posted by powerhousedan
they take full driving lis but not pro,but they would ask for backup with a full too

i'm in cork an i only ever have my full licence as id. was told by one bouncer that they'd only take garda id but he still let me in. i still haven't been asked for id there since despite going there several times a week. the best part is i don't drink cos i always drive. i only go there to play pool.

Superman

Originally posted by dark_knight_ire
I am a garda

we got a 5-0, suspect making south on central boulevard.

aidan_walsh

What I don't understand is why they can't be processed locally, and then registered via a computer link? How hard would it be to type the details into a computer, and have those send to a central reserve in the Phoenix Park or where ever the details are kept, rather than have to send it off, photo and all, and wait all this time.

When I was issued a student card last year (which is essentially a laminated card with my photo and a few details, much like the Garda card), my photo was taken there and then, the card was printed and laminated on the spot. Total time - 5 minutes. All the information was transferred digitally into the collage computer. Would something like this really be so hard to implement in a Garda station? I mean, they do have computers and telephone wires, right?

Duffman

Originally posted by jabberwock
ah ya but nowwhere has to accept a driving license as id afaik - or is that only the provisional they don't accept?!?:rolleyes:

This is bullsh1t, regardless of what bouncers tell you.

Take a look at the legislation, there is NO difference in law between a Garda Age Card, a passport or a driving license provisional or otherwise when buying drink or entering a licensed premises.

EDIT: bleh, take a look :

Intoxicating Liquor Act 2003, from Section 15:

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1) of
this section ‘age document’ means a document
containing a photograph of the person
in respect of whom it was issued and information
that enables the age of the person to
be determined and being one of the following
documents relating to a person referred
to in that subsection:

(a) an age card referred to in section 40
of this Act,

(b) a passport,

(c) an identity card issued by a member
state of the European Communities,

(d) a driver licence, or

(e) a document issued by a body, and in
a form, prescribed by regulations
made by the Minister.

Explosive_Cornflake

Originally posted by Imposter
But they don't. I saw a pub in Mullingar, refuse people with both of these id's stating garda id's only. This was to people who were 24 and 25 who didn't have Garda ID's as only younger people got/had garda id's. This defense was also lost on the bungalow of a doorman.

Out of interest which one would this be? Ulyeses (sp?) by any chance?

Superman

Originally posted by doodle_sketch
computer link?

oh the garda got the pulse computer system but didn't like using it! hence the blue flu!

DMT

Originally posted by dark_knight_ire
I have the best garda ID going a badge lol noone argues with that.

I never thought I'd see the say a guard would type "lol".

What's the world coming to?

fizzynicenice

Originally posted by dark_knight_ire
I am a garda /

question, why are you such a pack of ba$terds,

Originally posted by dark_knight_ire
Saying that getting a fake ID is fast but no place good will accept them.

funny never failed for me, try seein that from yo' getto bird

Mwohahahahaha
(hope I don't get banned for insulting a garda but if i do i want to say, it was soooo worth it to finally get to do that)

Civilian_Target

Age card is well worth having, its handy enough to carry around all the time and it's a great ID to have, can be used for pretty much everything, even flights to the UK.

I got mine in Letterkenny Garda station, received it within a week. That was 2 years ago mind....

dark_knight_ire

I don't think you will get banned for that lol. The PULSE system we use is only a syetem for logging incidents and is also a database for names vehicles locations organisations and such. Its not used for logging the Garda ID.

The reason its not done local (producing Garda ID's) is simply money. We have suffered huge cutbacks and well a machine for the making of a Garda ID would be very expensive if it was put in every district.

As for that guy heading south we got the bastard lol

dark_knight_ire

As for saying no place good will not accept them i stand by that. I mean it would be for your own sake to have one. Then its one less reason for bouncers to refuse you.

As for Section 15 of the Act well thats what you may produce on the demand of a member of An Garda Siochana. After all its only Gardia that have the legal power top demand a persons name. Bouncers don't have that, but its accepted that they do ask. You may say that a passport or other state issued ID is acceptable under the act but most clubs have a company policy to only accept Garda ID.

Healio

If i ever get refused with driver or passport i will most defo seek legal advice.

I thought the reason the garda id's werent locally produced were because the stations were held up and the machines were robbed! i heard of three different cases of this. two in dublin, one in galway. they charge €60 per fake card, only draw back they all have the same name derek something or other.

keu

garda me arse

Imposter

Originally posted by Explosive_Cornflake
Out of interest which one would this be? Ulyeses (sp?) by any chance?

That would be correct.

kahlua

In Galway pubs and clubs will only except a passport or a drivers licence.

Hell_en_earth

I can really only speak for my own encounter's with bouncer's / barpeople They have alway taken my garda ID I never carry anything else so if they don't take it I would report them because it's illegal not to take a goverenment issued ID. If the garda accept it there is no reason why they shouldn't. And most pub's should have that secton of the law posted on the door, I have seen this in several pub's so if they challenge you, quote the law at them, they get scared because usually they don't know it themselves!!!

Duffman

Originally posted by dark_knight_ire
As for Section 15 of the Act well thats what you may produce on the demand of a member of An Garda Siochana.

This simply isn't true. The provisions of the act regarding id apply specifically to the owners of licensed premises and their employees. It has nothing to do with the powers of Gardai to ask for id.

Just to clarify, there is no legal basis for a pub/club refusing someone on the grounds that they don't have one particular form of government id.

dark_knight_ire

True but see look at it this way if i was a bouncer you come up to go into the club i work at and i dont like you maybe i shagged your gf or something i dont know thats beside the point. He stops you asks for ID you produce a passport (silly cos they are not worth losing) he tells you they only accept garda id you argue you point he is not listening so you start to go on how unfairly you are being treated.

You attempt any action next day or so he is asked what the story was all he has to say was the person was abusive and had to much to drink any of the two are ground not to be allowed in.

See gardai are fair we accept most forms of ID if asking to produce, but you must remember a lot of the bouncers in the city are criminals with ties to parties like sinn fein.

It is slowly changing the industry will be regulated soon.

jabberwock

Originally posted by Duffman
This simply isn't true. The provisions of the act regarding id apply specifically to the owners of licensed premises and their employees. It has nothing to do with the powers of Gardai to ask for id.

Just to clarify, there is no legal basis for a pub/club refusing someone on the grounds that they don't have one particular form of government id.

but sure there is no such thing as a dress code or over-21's into a ordinary pub but that doesn't stop the bouncers from inforcing them

Kalikat

can be used for pretty much everything, even flights to the UK

Not on Ryanair or Aer Lingus anymore, AFAIK, although Eurolines coaches will apparently accept them.

I lost my passport recently (as I was STUPIDLY using it for ID in town), and thought that getting a Garda ID would be a quick way of getting photo ID for an urgent flight to London. Boy, was I wrong! I phoned and was told that the waiting time was more like 8-10 weeks at the moment. (I know! What are they doing - carving them by hand onto ancient cherry wood, and embossing them with the finest gold? )

Duffman

Originally posted by Kalikat
Not on Ryanair or Aer Lingus anymore, AFAIK, although Eurolines coaches will apparently accept them.

I lost my passport recently (as I was STUPIDLY using it for ID in town), and thought that getting a Garda ID would be a quick way of getting photo ID for an urgent flight to London.

The exact same thing happened to me

I suppose I should report it or something.. :dunno:
Although €80 for a new one seems very excessive..

jabberwock

Originally posted by Duffman
The exact same thing happened to me

I suppose I should report it or something.. :dunno:
Although €80 for a new one seems very excessive..

well when interpol or scotland yard arrives at your door wondering where what you were doing in such and such a place, the expense won't seem so important

Gavin

Originally posted by dark_knight_ire
See gardai are fair we accept most forms of ID if asking to produce, but you must remember a lot of the bouncers in the city are criminals with ties to parties like sinn fein.

It is slowly changing the industry will be regulated soon.

Holy cow, thats an amazingly general statement to be made by someone claiming to be a member of the gardai. What age are you mate ? 13 ?

Gav

Duffman

Originally posted by jabberwock
well when interpol or scotland yard arrives at your door wondering where what you were doing in such and such a place, the expense won't seem so important

lol

Explosive_Cornflake

Originally posted by Verb
Holy cow, thats an amazingly general statement to be made by someone claiming to be a member of the gardai. What age are you mate ? 13 ?

Gav

But largely true to a degree i'd imagine.

Healio

Originally posted by Verb
Holy cow, thats an amazingly general statement to be made by someone claiming to be a member of the gardai. What age are you mate ? 13 ?

Gav

i read his profile he is 23 apparently.

keu

if i were a garda (which i'm not) I wouldn't go around parading the fact on boards...AND including my full name to top it off???
(and then go bad mouthing local bouncers affiliating them with sinfein.)
silly innit?

Explosive_Cornflake

Originally posted by keu
if i were a garda (which i'm not) I wouldn't go around parading the fact on boards...AND including my full name to top it off???
(and then go bad mouthing local bouncers affiliating them with sinfein.)
silly innit?

Thats a good point. Maybe he has a grudge against some garda and this is his cunning revenge?

steveland?

I got my garda id a couple months ago (took well over 6 weeks to arrive whereas ya can get fake ones in no time these days) and some bouncer in Bruxelles off grafton st told me it was fake. He took out an id he had confiscated from someone else to compare it with mine. I always get ided cos i look fairly young but this was the first time someone wouldnt accept my id. I was just hopin he'd confiscate my id and i could go straight down to the garda station on pearse st and report him. Thats illegal to take someones garda id right?


Well anyways i work in a pub and the pub doesnt have any rules about whether you need a garda id only. We'll accept passports and driving licences aswell but be warned that most drivers licences can look very fake if they have been around the block a few times and they look a little worn in. I've refused plenty of people with driving licences cos they look too dodgy to be accepted and we have to cover all bases...

So anyway a garda id is the safest option but it helps to have something else, preferably a passport with you but since a passport is so important to keep safe some sort of a student id is handy to keep with you aswell as your garda id just in case they quibble about the garda id

steveland?

Originally posted by Hell_en_earth
it's illegal not to take a goverenment issued ID.

Look at the back of your id. It says on it the card doesnt guarantee the holder to entry to any place. Pubs have the legal right to refuse ANYONE they want despite the reason.

A Garda id isnt there so you can be guaranteed to get in somewhere... it's just there so you can prove your age.

Garda ID's are only there so they have a standard and the fact that they only accept garda id's, passports or drivers licences is mainly to stop people using student cards and other forms of id which are easily fakeable.

dark_knight_ire

I could not give a flying f*** what you think, just giving the proceedure and helping out people. i like the frog face is it a self portrait ???

Oh as someone stated in a post your right there is no such thing as over 21's. The only way to teach them a leasson well is not going back. you won't get anywhere with legal action you would not first to try its been done, and as for the criminal side well there is none really so noting the police can do.

Hit them in the pocket