Spin Fein To Knee Cap Europe?

bertiebowl

Well I see that a spinner has been elected to Europe, from Dublin of all places.

I acknowledge that a lot of the people who campaign for/run for/ support Spin Fein have the best of intentions for our country and want to see more social justice, support for the poor + disadvantaged and lower bin taxes etc.

However what scares me is that the head of this party is a guy called Gerry who in his spare time runs the biggest private army in Europe. What does he need this army for?

Its true a private army is indeed a handy thing - what about organising the punishment beatings in Northern Ireland.....or supplying troops to raid banks with AK47s before the gun down a few guards before tea time (Garda Gerry McCabe anyone?)?? How could you do that with only a ballot box?

Also where did the money that elected sweet lil' old Mary Lou come from? All the posters cost a tenner a pop. You'd swear someone had been using special "fundraising" techniques the other partys don't have.

Heck didn't our silly old Minister for Justice make some allegations about drug dealing, illegal dumping of toxic waste and saving the guerillas in the rain forrest?

So - will Spin Fein bring their special brand of politics to Europe?

mike65

You have to laugh...either that or cry I suppose.


Mary Lou McDonald will be on a hefty salery + expenses I'll be interested to know how uch of that she keeps for herself and how much (as a good socialist) she hands over the the party machine. I wonder also how many voted for her while saying YES in the referendum.

One thought I wonder how mnay other MEPs will know and mention the link with the IRA....she might have to
do some explaining to ppl with raised eyebrows!

Mike.

bus77

Originally posted by bertiebowl
I acknowledge that a lot of the people who campaign for/run for/ support Spin Fein have the best of intentions for our country and want to see more social justice, support for the poor + disadvantaged and lower bin taxes etc.

Nope, none of those, I voted Sinn Fien for their stance on europe. Reserved.

Originally posted by bertiebowl
However what scares me is that the head of this party is a guy called Gerry who in his spare time runs the biggest private army in Europe. What does he need this army for?

You think one man runs the IRA?
Are you retarded or were you being over the top for effect?

Originally posted by bertiebowl
Its true a private army is indeed a handy thing - what about organising the punishment beatings in Northern Ireland.....or supplying troops to raid banks with AK47s before the gun down a few guards before tea time (Garda Gerry McCabe anyone?)?? How could you do that with only a ballot box?

Tis true. ballot box and guns are more potent.

Originally posted by bertiebowl
Also where did the money that elected sweet lil' old Mary Lou come from? All the posters cost a tenner a pop. You'd swear someone had been using special "fundraising" techniques the other partys don't have.

I dunno half of it is probably left over from the fundraising done in the states and the robberies and such. The rest is probably because Shiners put money back into the party instead of buying silk shirts in paris. What I always ask myself is where did all these ministers currently in office get the money/time for all these "Private Business Interests"?

Originally posted by bertiebowl
Heck didn't our silly old Minister for Justice make some allegations about drug dealing, illegal dumping of toxic waste

About Sinn Fein or oul fellas with guns?
What party is he in?

Originally posted by bertiebowl
and saving the guerillas in the rain forrest?

Hey! Thats a good cause. I betya that's a Sinn Fein initiative.;)

Originally posted by bertiebowl
So - will Spin Fein bring their special brand of politics to Europe?

I hope so, but not the special kind your talking about

dathi1

I think Mary and Co's rise to power is a good thing. We have the same old ****e day in day out FG FF Lab establishment crap in Irish politics for the last 30 yrs. Too see ODonaghue and rabbite licking each other on Q+A last night in their vilification of Mac Donald was proof of the Euro apple cart being upset. I'm not too keen on their Marxist leanings but they are a breath of fresh air into good old boring stale Irish politics. I wonder which way they'll go on the constitution...?

bus77

Originally posted by dathi1
I think Mary and Co's rise to power is a good thing. We have the same old ****e day in day out FG FF Lab establishment crap in Irish politics for the last 30 yrs. Too see ODonaghue and rabbite licking each other on Q+A last night in their vilification of Mac Donald was proof of the Euro apple cart being upset. I'm not too keen on their Marxist leanings but they are a breath of fresh air into good old boring stale Irish politics. I wonder which way they'll go on the constitution...?

Yeah Im not sure what policies are real or just tactics taken by a smaller party. Im interested to see how they go about dealing with this state called the EU the other partys are blindly walking us into. It's make or break time for them now in my mind. I hope they shake things up and ask some serious questions over there (and over here).

Victor

Originally posted by bus77
The rest is probably because Shiners put money back into the party instead of buying silk shirts in paris.

Yeah, Shinner prefer Milan to Paris, what with their new cry of "Tíocfiadh Armani".

Originally posted by bus77
What I always ask myself is where did all these ministers currently in office get the money/time for all these "Private Business Interests"?

Guess what? People with money have the ability to set aside time to get elected, something that poor people don't. Politics exhibits Darwinism just liek any other facet of society.

Originally posted by dathi1
I think Mary and Co's rise to power is a good thing.

Who's Mary?

monument

Originally posted by bertiebowl
However what scares me is that the head of this party is a guy called Gerry who in his spare time runs the biggest private army in Europe. What does he need this army for?

Gerry Adams runs the IRA – that’s a nice theory.

Why did the current group of IRA paramilitaries start? - It takes two to tango, really thought – look up your history book.

Why are they still here? It still takes two to tango, anyway…

- at a point like this it’s better to have some control then full disbanding and pissing of the hardcore

- they were to decommission further, but the agreement was broken, some say by the IRA and SF, some say by the Unionists.

Originally posted by bertiebowl
Also where did the money that elected sweet lil' old Mary Lou come from? All the posters cost a tenner a pop. You'd swear someone had been using special "fundraising" techniques the other partys don't have.

Like what?

You admit they have support from voters - are you trying to say there is no SF supporters with a bit of spare cash?

Slightly better then the PDs, who accuse SF of wrongdoings, which they can't prove, and then they ask a SF CANDIDATE for his support.



BTW in calling then 'Spin Fein' are you trying to show your ignorance of the widespread spin/PR in politics today?

bus77

Originally posted by Victor
Yeah, Shinner prefer Milan to Paris, what with their new cry of "Tíocfiadh Armani".

Originally posted by Victor
Guess what? People with money have the ability to set aside time to get elected, something that poor people don't. Politics exhibits Darwinism just like any other facet of society.

Yeah ok, but they still seem to be unhealthy involved in rabid money hoarding after they get elected aswell. Everthing from tax to land. I think they should be forced to sell off any interests they have and be barred from taking part in any business for the duration of their term. Lets see how many of them go the distance then.

Originally posted by Victor
Who's Mary?

She's lovely.

Tommy Vercetti

Originally posted by bertiebowl

Heck didn't our silly old Minister for Justice make some allegations about drug dealing, illegal dumping of toxic waste and saving the guerillas in the rain forrest?

He makes an awful lot of allegations but as usual, provides no evidence. If that's good enough for you then you should probably reconsider the wisdom of trying to make a humourous criticism of an MEP elected by the good people of Dublin. I suspect Mickey Mc Dooooowillll will invent some sort of voting scam allegation one of these days to definitively prove that his party is, in fact, way more popular than the Shinners.

ecksor

He'd have had an easier job if they'd manage to railroad the excuse for a voting system through in time.

bertiebowl

Guys & Gals.....my point is that while I understand (and agree) with lots of reasons why people voted for Mary Lou and Co., I feel that there is an ambiguity about Spin Fein/IRA.

They use the ballot box when it suits and they use violence when that too suits.

While they tar and feather those they don't agree with in Belfast, how long before its me or you who's in line for re-education?

Whatever you might say about the waste of space politicians (FF, PD, FG etc) you can't say your afraid they'd leave you in a wheelchair for life.................

Mighty_Mouse

They use the ballot box when it suits and they use violence when that too suits.

Would you not agree that republicans have ended their voilent struggle and are fullly comitted to peaceful struggle?

While they tar and feather those they don't agree with in Belfast, how long before its me or you who's in line for re-education?

Are you talking about punishment beatings in Belfast (of which I haven't seen reliable figures). Surely this is linked to the problem in policing?

Whatever you might say about the waste of space politicians (FF, PD, FG etc) you can't say your afraid they'd leave you in a wheelchair for life.................

FF, PD, FG have done many many things to the taxpayer. As for wheelchair.............dont be talking nonsense.

Yeah ok, but they still seem to be unhealthy involved in rabid money hoarding after they get elected aswell. Everthing from tax to land. I think they should be forced to sell off any interests they have and be barred from taking part in any business for the duration of their term. Lets see how many of them go the distance then.

What does this mean? What tax and land? Should the Sinn Feinn party not be allowed own any assets?

bus77

Originally posted by Mighty_Mouse
What does this mean? What tax and land? Should the Sinn Feinn party not be allowed own any assets?

You mixed up my comments with Bertieball's (spin:p), I wasnt talking about sinn fien, my point was, the only business a politicion should be involved in while in office is policical stuff. If they want a hobby they can try golf.

bertiebowl

Would you not agree that republicans have ended their voilent struggle and are fullly comitted to peaceful struggle?

No I would not agree. I don't believe republicans have ended their violent struggle. Punishment attacks continue on a daily basis (except of course around election time, per the PSNI), the Godfathers continue to maintain a private army in direct denial of the legality of our state, links are maintained with ETA/ FARC/ Kurdish groups in Turkey.

That's why I'm afraid the honest and genuine intentions and ideals held by many of the Spin Fein supporters will slowly be perverted and corrupted by the man with the gun at the top, Supreme Commander Gerry Adams Forces of the IRA.

monument

AGAIN, in calling then 'Spin Fein' are you trying to show your ignorance of the widespread spin/PR in politics today?

And again, that’s a nice theory about Gerry Adams.

Sleepy

Originally posted by Mighty_Mouse
Would you not agree that republicans have ended their voilent struggle and are fullly comitted to peaceful struggle?

Are you talking about punishment beatings in Belfast (of which I haven't seen reliable figures). Surely this is linked to the problem in policing?

FF, PD, FG have done many many things to the taxpayer. As for wheelchair.............dont be talking nonsense.

Post of the week, truly hilarious. Oh, wait, you were being serious?

/me wets himself laughing at the ignorant.

bertiebowl

When I call them Spin Fein - its because they are the true masters of Spin and Media Manipulation. They are best in the world how at altering perception from reality.

Lets take an example Mary Lou describes herself as "Peace negotiator". Specifically what peace has she negotiated? For who? For how long? That's right folks - zippidy do dah.

And as for the IRA - well who do you think is actually in charge? Its not postman pat anyway..............

Now the scary thought is Gerry Adams has designs on being in government in the Republic...........

bus77

Originally posted by bertiebowl
And as for the IRA - well who do you think is actually in charge? Its not postman pat anyway..............

I dont think you could actually pin down exactly who's in charge of any group like the IRA. You seem to think it's a organisation like the postal service, Postman Pat would be a member.

Hobbes

Heh, my money is on UKIP trying to do a better job at wreaking Europe.

Didn't realise though that the UK got 23 Billion Euros from the EU, and Kilroy wants to throw that all away because people keep eating in resterants.

Sleepy

Originally posted by bus77
I dont think you could actually pin down exactly who's in charge of any group like the IRA. You seem to think it's a organisation like the postal service, Postman Pat would be a member.

Have you read the history of the terrorists you support? Adams has been in control, granted with the support of a few key players such as McGuinness, for quite some time...

bus77

Originally posted by Sleepy
Have you read the history of the terrorists you support? Adams has been in control, granted with the support of a few key players such as McGuinness, for quite some time...

What history is this?
Maybe it's true, I dunno, maybe that's why the bombings have stopped.

Have you read the history of Ireland?
The two main partys here grew out of terrorism.

Mighty_Mouse

Have you read the history of the terrorists you support? Adams has been in control, granted with the support of a few key players such as McGuinness, for quite some time...

Really? You wouldn't do me a big favour and tell me where I can read this history?

And as for the IRA - well who do you think is actually in charge? Its not postman pat anyway..............

Postman pat is as good a guess as any

Post Post of the week, truly hilarious. Oh, wait, you were being serious?
/me wets himself laughing at the ignorant

Ok, I take it you think my post was incorrect in some manner.Would you like to point out my mistake. I'd be awfully grateful;)

Punishment attacks continue on a daily basis (except of course around election time, per the PSNI), the Godfathers continue to maintain a private army in direct denial of the legality of our state, links are maintained with ETA/ FARC/ Kurdish groups in Turkey.

To be honest I really don't know much about punishment beatings apart from the fact that there has been some since the cease-fire. I have yet to see a believable source for punishment beatings. Do you have figures for the IRA number of punishment beatings? (serious question). Regardless, punishment beatings are linked to a lack of police force in NI. As for links with ETA and FARC. They also have visited CUBA and have links with ANC in South Africa. It's common enough for freedom fighters to link up.

by the man with the gun at the top, Supreme Commander Gerry Adams Forces of the IRA.

Right, "the man with the golden gun" by any chance?;) Sure how can he be Supreme Commander when he's not even in the IRA;)

bertiebowl

The two main partys here grew out of terrorism.

I wouldn't agree. The two main parties grew from an independence movement dedicated to freeing the country. By contrast SF/IRA act to terrorise large sections of their owncommunity - through punishment beatings, human rights abuses, arm raids, drug smuggling etc.

I don't want to see a situation like that in Northern Ireland and I certainly don't want to see it in Ireland.

That's why I believe the genuine and admirable efforts of many Spin Fein supporters/ voters/ workers will ultimately never be realised under the current "leadership" of Spin Fein.

Mighty_Mouse

The two main parties grew from an independence movement dedicated to freeing the country.

and Sinn Fein? ............

By contrast SF/IRA act to terrorise large sections of their owncommunity - through punishment beatings, human rights abuses, arm raids, drug smuggling etc

drug smuggling?
When and where?

bertiebowl

and Sinn Fein? ............

Sinn Fein are the ballot box end of the armalite and ballot box strategy. I don't see any sign of the ending of the armalite side of that - we only have a "ceasefire" at the moment.

As such they are fundamentally different from FF & FG who in the 1920s and 1930s formed the Irish state. Spin Fein do not recognise the Irish state. Sinn Fein do not recognise that the Irish state can have only one army.

As for an example of the drug dealing:

Location: Border

Time: Continuous

Type: Angel Dust for cattle..........

bus77

Originally posted by bertiebowl
I wouldn't agree. The two main parties grew from an independence movement dedicated to freeing the country. By contrast SF/IRA act to terrorise large sections of their owncommunity - through punishment beatings, human rights abuses, arm raids, drug smuggling etc.

I don't want to see a situation like that in Northern Ireland and I certainly don't want to see it in Ireland.

You dont want to see stuff like that in Ireland? Ive got news for you. All that stuff has allready happened down here, been and gone. Im proud of the old republicans, but Ive long since lost the rose tinted views of what happed, before and after Independance.
Nobody "decomisioned" their arms when the brits left the south, instead we got a bloody (and damn embarasing) civil war.
We got our independance, those up in the north were told "Sorry, you're still British". Would you have setteld for that? Now maybe you would'nt have run around planting bombs left right and center but you cant tell me you wouldnt have got involed in some shape or form. Dont be telling me Sinn Fein are aliens from planet mars.

eth0_

Originally posted by Mighty_Mouse
and Sinn Fein? ............
drug smuggling?
When and where?

Do you know anything about the ra? Terrorism is funded by drug dealing/smuggling and producing counterfeit goods, to name but two things.

bertiebowl

Dont be telling me Sinn Fein are aliens from planet mars.

No of course not.

As I've stated before I've got a lot of respect for the commitment, idealism, energy and determination of the Sinn Fein supporters to make Ireland a better place.

However until the leadership (namely the Gerry & Marty show) unambiguously end their links to terrorism, decommission arms and disassociate themselves from organised crime and organised violation of human rights, I believe all the intentions of SF supports will be corrupted and destroyed.

earwicker

If people are interested in learning about the history of Sinn Fein, they could do worse than pick up Brian Feeney's Sinn Fein: A Hundred Turbulent Years, published by the University of Wisconsin Press. It might actually help inform some of the opinions bandied about in here.

<edted for typo>

Sleepy

A Secret History of the IRA by Ed Moloney would be a good read for some of you Shinners as well. If your going to support a party, at least know the roots of it's leaders. TBH, it actually paints Adams in quite a good light, but there's no way I could vote for him until full decomissioning has taken place and he learns something about economics and the government of a country. Maybe Sinn Fein will be worth voting for in 30 years. I seriously doubt it unless they take an about turn on the ould Marxism though...

bus77

Originally posted by Sleepy
A Secret History of the IRA by Ed Moloney would be a good read for some of you Shinners as well.

Trash.

edit; sry, was thinking of another book

pigeonbutler

For the record the following are long-time members of the IRA army council, the 7 man body which runs the organisation on a daily basis:

Gerry Adams - President of Sinn Féin
Martin Ferris - T.D. for Sinn Féin
Tom "Slab" Murphy - Millionaire smuggler and head of south Armagh brigade IRA

Can't remember the other 4 off hand. But if anyone disputes this they should invite the named gentlemen to Sue me for defamation. I doubt that'll happen. No jury in the land would convict me. Well as long as they were protected from being kneecapped!

Also for the record the IRA consitution states that the only sovereign government of the island of Ireland is the IRA army council, which derived their "power" from some of the surviving Anti-treaty members of the second Dail.

So as an (almost) 18 year-old male and therefore the stereotypical Sinn Féin Voter I'd like to state the following reasons why I will never give a Sinn Féin candidate any mark on a ballot paper:

1. Constitution states that only the Dail has the right to raise an army in this state. They ignore this.
2. That private army gives no recognition to the Irish state and believe they are the "real" government of the island of Ireland.
3. They as a party are economically illiterate and far more left-wing than I could stomach.
4. Entering the democratic process as they are currently doing is merely another tactic, intended to go hand in hand with violence in order to enforce a 32-county state on the Unionist population of the north. It's called TUAS. Which to outsiders stands for Totally UnArmed Strategy but which to themselves means Tactical Use of Armed Struggle.

The Brigadier

Nice to see you have your head screwed on right there!

monument

Originally posted by pigeonbutler
For the record the following are long-time members of the IRA army council, the 7 man body which runs the organisation on a daily basis:

Quick, run to the guards with the proof you have - the scum will go to jall for years. :rolleyes:

It's the old case of just because you have said it does not make it true.

Originally posted by pigeonbutler
3. They as a party are economically illiterate and far more left-wing than I could stomach.

Just because they don't agree with your, or other, economic views does not mean they are uninformed of them. I’d imagine they’re fully aware of right wing economics.

The Brigadier

Originally posted by monument


It's the old case of just because you have said it does not make it true.

And just because anyone who knows is too terrified to come forward does not mean it is not.

bus77

Originally posted by pigeonbutler
For the record the following are long-time members of the IRA army council, the 7 man body which runs the organisation on a daily basis:

Ill tell ya where a lot of this "information" comes from....

"Hello, Is this the Ministry Of Defence?"

Whole books get published based on these secret MI5 files. Then said books get quoted by anyone that can read.
The brits invented disinformation, you cant deny that or ever let yourself forget it when reading this stuff.

Agent Smith

be like me,
b oblivious to the past..... when the knee capping comes, i'll be danceing free....

Mighty_Mouse

For the record the following are long-time members of the IRA army council, the 7 man body which runs the organisation on a daily basis:

Wow! You really are informed. The next Paul Williams (crime correspondant supreme) me thinks!

Entering the democratic process as they are currently doing is merely another tactic, intended to go hand in hand with violence

How is it going hand in hand if their on Cease-fire?

Sinn Fein are the ballot box end of the armalite and ballot box strategy. .

Your distinction is that the "modern" republicans are now pursueing an political struggle?!A

I don't see any sign of the ending of the armalite side of that - we only have a "ceasefire" at the moment

No sign? Wow! As for the ceasefire...............what did we have at the end of the war of independance/civil war?

As for those stating decommissioning as a requirement? Can I ask their opinion on how further decommissioning will benefit anyone? Answer this question: when will decommissioning reach completion?

bertiebowl

when will decommissioning reach completion?

Erm.....when an independent body such as the arms commission / UN inspectors says it has?

This is the fundamental reason why I could never vote for Sinn Fein/IRA - a party with a gun under the table aimed at your goolies..........

The Brigadier

Originally posted by Mighty_Mouse

Answer this question: when will decommissioning reach completion?

When paramilitaries don't have guns? I would have considered that pretty obvious..

What need do the IRA have for guns? ( I am aware that other paramilitary groups have arms..but we are discussing Sinn Fein here)

If Sinn Fein are not linked to the IRA, then why do they take credit for the cease fire? If ther are not linked to the IRA, then I have as much right to claim credit for the cease fire - none!

Also if Sinn Fein are not linked to the IRA, then why have they not sued any of the writers of books claiming they are? If I wrote a book claiming that the PDs were the political wing of the IRA and that Mary Harney was commander in chief, do you think I would be sued???

Mighty_Mouse

Erm.....when an independent body such as the arms commission

We currently have one. He is happy with decommissioning to date? Whats the problem?
If the IRA announce tommorrow that they no longer have any weapons.................will you be happy? Probably not, if the IRA announce they have no more weapons after two more bouts of decommissioning, will you be happy? probably not. Its an impossible situation with the only benefit being that its a means by which the IRA can convince all parties its serious when its says it has finished its armed struggle. Looking for surrender by one party or another is no good IMO.

When paramilitaries don't have guns? I would have considered that pretty obvious..

Ok, take me through how you verify that the IRA has no more weapons.

What need do the IRA have for guns? (

They don't hence decommissioning

If Sinn Fein are not linked to the IRA, then why do they take credit for the cease fire?

Who said there are no linkages?Do you not agree that there would not be a ceasefire without the persistance of Sinn Fein.

ps
IMO we have a lot more than a ceasefire from the IRA and the complete focus on a party which has significantly decommissioned on several occasions, apologised to victims, and stated the war is over is a little crazy.

bertiebowl

We currently have one[a decommissioning body]. He is happy with decommissioning to date? Whats the problem?

Eh......my recollection was that the decommissioning body was not happy with "decommissioning" that's taken place......

Mighty_Mouse

You recollect wrong.

The Brigadier

Mighty Mouse, do you have any proof of that?

Mighty_Mouse

Mighty Mouse, do you have any proof of that?

I have to proove the very public statements made to date by De Chastelain??? um: www.yahoo.com

This is before the first bout of decommmissiong: : :

In our report of 31 January 2000, the Commission stated that intense negotiations were continuing and we would report any concrete result that came from them.

"Since then, we have had several contacts with the IRA and loyalist representatives.

"The IRA declaration of support for the process leading to a permanent peace in Ireland, the contribution made by the cease-fires, and the statement that the IRA provides no threat to that process are recognised.

"We believe that these are important issues of considerable significance for peace and stability in Northern Ireland and they were reflected in our January 31 report.

"Since December 1999, the IRA has engaged frankly and helpfully with the Commission and we note their intention to do so.

"We also note the IRA assessment that the question of British forces and loyalist paramilitaries in Northern Ireland must be addressed.

"While the future of British troops is outside our remit, the elimination of the threat posed by loyalist paramilitary arms is clearly within the Commission's remit.

"We have been advised by loyalist representatives of their commitment to address the issue of their arms in the context of similar action taken by the IRA.

"In our discussions this week with the UVF and UFF representatives, each confirmed their positions as stated in our 31 January report, and the UFF representatives further engaged with us on methods of decommissioning and related support issues.

"We welcome the IRA's belief that the 'state of perpetual crisis' can be averted and that the issue of arms can be resolved.

"We find particularly significant, and view as valuable progress, the assertion made to us by the IRA representative that the IRA will consider how to put arms and explosives beyond use, in the context of full implementation of the Good Friday Agreement, and in the context of the removal of the causes of conflict.

"The Commission welcomes the IRA's recognition that the issue of arms need to be dealt with in an acceptable way and that is a necessary objective of a genuine peace process and their statement that for those reasons they are engaged with us.

"The Commission further welcomes the IRA's commitment to sustain and enhance its contribution to a durable peace and their statement that they have supported and will continue to support efforts to secure the resolution of the arms issue.

"The representative indicated to us today (Friday) the context in which the IRA will initiate a comprehensive process to put arms beyond use, in a manner as to ensure maximum public confidence.

"The Commission believes that this commitment, on the basis described above, holds out the real prospect of an agreement which would enable it to fulfil the substance of its mandate.

"We will make a further report to the two Governments as appropriate."

SIGNED: Tauno Nieminen, John de Chastelain, Andrew D. Sens

Belfast 11 February, 2000

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/639850.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/640089.stm

more infor:

http://foreignaffairs.gov.ie/information/display.asp?ID=867

http://www.newrepublicanforum.ie/IRIB/archive/domestic_archive/octoberDecember2003/articles/adamsAgreefinalclosure.htm

http://sinnfein.ie/peace/document/160

I'm not spending anymore time finding public information for you so you can fill the gaps yourself.

bertiebowl

SIGNED: Tauno Nieminen, John de Chastelain, Andrew D. Sens

Belfast 11 February, 2000

4 and 1/2 years ago? 54 months ago? One thousand six hundred days ago?

We got one small items of "decommissioning" (and remember even agreeing the speak to the decommissioning body was described as "decommissioning" by Tony Bliar's government.

What's happened since?

I'll tell you.

Gerry and Marty are still aiming the gun under the table at your goolies......

The Brigadier

Your most recent article is 2001....

I will not take articles from the New Republican Forum and SinnFein as proof of anything....

Sean1916 in a thread here attempted to prove that the Holocaust did not happen through similar spurious linkage...

It doesn't wash I am afraid....

But then there are links between Sinn Fein and the Nazis, wasn't Mary Lou at a Pro Nazi rally fairly recently? Didn't the IRA negotiate with Nazi germany during WWII

Mighty_Mouse

Lads, I probably shouldnt of bothered with the links because they were found after a very quick search. Just go a read the commission reports will ye?

bus77

From what I remember It was the unionts that had the last word on decommissioning. Something about not being happy with the amout of imformation being given about the types and numbers of weapons.
The agreement from the beginning was that types and quantitys would not be made public.

Wrestlemania

Whoever voted sinn fein into europe and else where needs there head examing.

Why because clear and simple they are terrorist or has everyone forgot the 3000 dead people on this island.

fickle ireland, i hate the current government but rather give bertie the vote than sf/ira.

the dup have it right on this island.

people have short memories....and in south armagh and border area's there is still ira activity of all branches, why are the british army still mounting partols everyday.

On average when up there i see 4 to 6 patrols, so the war is not over but people still vote these cretans into power. hey we may aswell vote for the BNP aswell!

bus77

Originally posted by The Brigadier
Sean1916 in a thread here attempted to prove that the Holocaust did not happen through similar spurious linkage...

It doesn't wash I am afraid....

But then there are links between Sinn Fein and the Nazis, wasn't Mary Lou at a Pro Nazi rally fairly recently? Didn't the IRA negotiate with Nazi germany during WWII

You want to bring up other threads and other posters?

A few months back there were massive train bombings in spain carried out by muslums.
A Spaniard came on boards saying he did a paper in college about the sepratist movement in Spain then went on to say he would'nt be supprised if it was ETA.
Later that day the president of spain came on tv stating that he knew it was ETA.

That spainish poster had learned ****all about republicans from doing his paper, and that spanish pm (who knew damn well what the score was) got what was coming to him in the elections.

And you have some neck bringing up Nazis and Holocaust's in this thread. There was a Holocaust in Ireland, It was called The Irish Famine and it wasnt a ****ing swastica flying over us that time.