upgrade on my civic - Shes poppin nicely! :D

red_ice

just had a new chip fitted along with when i got my piper cams camshaft from kent as a presant for my 21st(early)

Shes cuttin fine! Alot more poke in the car - although i didnt think that i would notice it at first... the lads said that the cam shaft will have to be re allogned every time i add a performance part to my engine, can someone fill me in on that? Is it to do with the mixture being put into engine and the timing if the suck/squeeze/bang/blow?

Heres a lil url to me driving it for the first time (1.5 megs, 10 ish seconds long)

im lovin it! When i got my car it all seemed to long till i could afford to do something other than lower it and get new wheels! Its really starting to come together. With regards to my angel eye lights(for those of you who remembered), i tested it out with a tinfoil make shift headlame made from a shoebox and a torch... lets say i dont wanna ruin a set of perfectly good headlamps!

I might use the innitial idea for the angel eyes on the inside of my car... but use it right!

Just a lil post to keep the mod community and the lads that like to get the most from their engines on boards filled in on what im at and how its going

reD.

Dolan84

Bleedin rappid!

ando

red is that a 1.4? takes off nicely. Whats involved in getting it chiped

MojoMaker

What did Quinn Direct say about the performance mods dude?

red_ice

Originally posted by MojoMaker
What did Quinn Direct say about the performance mods dude?

Well, they were pritty sound even tho the fact that that im not insured by them, and garage insurance can do alot for a car...

I hear some shops have some 'red_ice's insurance details are non of my business juice' you should get some!

Yea ando, its a 1.4. Myself and a mate clocked the 0-60 at 8.5 seconds with him in the passenger seat(noone belives me ) but when i put on the 18's it slowed it down, but its really nippy now with the mods. At 4500 revs in second its doin 45-50 mph, which i dont like doing much, but every now and then its fun to let lose!

Im not too sure with what the deal is with installing a chip, a mate of my dads did it for us

Stephen

Originally posted by red_ice

I hear some shops have some 'red_ice's insurance details are non of my business juice' you should get some!

Wow, you're a wanker.

Tommy Vercetti

why don't you just buy a car with a good engine in it?

jayok

Ahhh... smell the bull.

0-60 in 8.5seconds? Not likely. Let me remind you, you are drivng a 1.4 90BHP Civic with a SOHC and no VTEC. Modding the chip will simply alter the fuel injection sequence and will have no effect on the engine's real timing elements (values, cam phase and value lift) whatsoever.

Your official timing for this car off Honda is 11.6 seconds, whatever you gained by the chip will be offset by those 18" wheels.

Don't argue, used to work for Honda, know way too much about this stuff. Need to get yourself some sort of VTEC to really see a difference.

Dr. Dre

0-60 in 8.5seconds? Not likely

Really?
I have to say I wasn't all that impressed anyway, I had an old 1989 toyota corolla hatch back 1.3L 12valve that did it in less than 10.5secs, with no engine mods and 15" TSW stealths on.
Don't know much about engines, but I would have taken his word for it tbh - seems realistic enough.

jayok

Nope 8.5 is a little too optimistic, if he said 10.5 I would believe it. It just simply isn't there with the weight and engine of the car even with the new camshaft.

The stock Civic 1.6 does it in 10.2 secs (1.6 SOHC VTEC) and the Type R does it in 6.6 (2.0 DOHC iVTEC ,for the 04 model). The 1.4 engines are manufactured for economy and reliability and are Honda's entry level engine. Even the cheaper Jazz has a more sophisticated engine. The excessive tax in some countres (inc Ireland) require a 1.4 engine in car and this is Honda's offering. Ford, Toyota, that's why all manufacturers have the same offering.

Interesting about that Toyota, newer cars do seem to be getting slower alright, but then again they are typicall heavier (side impact bars, stiffened chassis, with more things to drive, power steering, power brakes, etc.). What you will find with newer cars is that the 0-60 isn't particulary quick, but the mid range torque is improved leading to better economy and smoothness of drive at the 30-70 range.

Oh I remember driving a 1.6 Carina that went like crazy. Had 90bhp but seems to go forever. The good old days huh?

RicardoSmith

Hes not going to drop 2 secs off a 0-60 that easily. He'd have to run on smaller wheels, add a lot more power and torque. If he put a turbo, or some nitro on it he'd do it. My old CRX was a 1.6 DOHC (non VTEC) 130bhp, no cat, 14" alloys and alot lighter than a CIVIC and it only did 0-60 in about 8.0 secs.

jayok

Unless of course he was to drive off a cliff... (with a tailwind)

ZENER

Civic 1.4 - 0 to 60 in 8.5 seconds - yer havin' a laf aren't ya.

The thing about cams is they are made with economy in mind when they are designed for off the shelf use. Even 11.6 seconds as spec is beyond belief unles driven by someone who knows how.

The 90 2.0Si 4WS Prelude managed 0 to 60 in about 9.8 with a tail wind FFS!

ZEN

RicardoSmith

Originally posted by red_ice
Well, they were pritty sound even tho the fact that that im not insured by them, and garage insurance can do alot for a car...

I hear some shops have some 'red_ice's insurance details are non of my business juice' you should get some!

Yea ando, its a 1.4. Myself and a mate clocked the 0-60 at 8.5 seconds with him in the passenger seat(noone belives me ) but when i put on the 18's it slowed it down, but its really nippy now with the mods. At 4500 revs in second its doin 45-50 mph, which i dont like doing much, but every now and then its fun to let lose!

Im not too sure with what the deal is with installing a chip, a mate of my dads did it for us

Put it to you this way, if you have some reason to make a claim on your insurance, the car was stolen for example, and you have non disclosed mods, even something like non standard wheels, stereo, lights. The insurance company can refuse to pay out.

Is it illegal not to declare them? I dunno.

kdevitt

The stock Civic 1.6 does it in 10.2 secs (1.6 SOHC VTEC)

hmm.. funny that - Honda list 8.7 seconds for the 1.6 SOHC VTEC (EG ESi) , and 9.2 for the 1.6 SOHC VTEC (EK SR VTEC)

Anyway, a chipped 1.4 EK Civic with a decent induction kit and exhaust will be seeing over 110 brake horsepower, probably not enough to out-accelerate that Maserati you have parked out back, but its over a 20% gain which is fairly impressive by tuning standards. And before anyone cries out BS, I've seen them dynoed time and time again, so I have some idea what I'm talking about.

The thing about cams is they are made with economy in mind when they are designed for off the shelf use.

And since when have Piper cams been made with economy in mind???:rolleyes:

8.5 seconds, give or take half a second is probably accurate enough

ButcherOfNog

Originally posted by ZENER


The 90 2.0Si 4WS Prelude managed 0 to 60 in about 9.8 with a tail wind FFS!

ZEN

the prelude is a very heavy lump of a car tho, the 2.0i doesn't have the power needed to really move it.

RicardoSmith

How come Honda doesn't just do the remapping and hotter cams themselves?

Tommy Vercetti

Honda sez "me no give a poop"

jayok

"hmm.. funny that - Honda list 8.7 seconds for the 1.6 SOHC VTEC (EG ESi) , and 9.2 for the 1.6 SOHC VTEC (EK SR VTEC)"

Ahhh... different model of Civic. The ESi did indeed do 0-60 in 8.7s, and the VTi (Irish model) of that genetation 0-60 in 7.2s. However, red_ice has a 7th generation Civic and while the old ESi was about as safe as driving around in a crisp bag, the newer model has better protection, but at the cost of more weight. The 10.2 seconds for a 7th generation Civic 1.6 SOHC (EP2) is correct - the power plan offers much better mid-range torque but a lower power output. The D16V1 spits out 110bhp but 152 Nm of torque! Not bad for a 1.6.

Interesting the TypeR for the 6th generation does 0-60 in 5.1s - again from a 1.6 DOHC VTEC engine. But you basically get into the engine that you hang onto. What I'm trying to say here is power to weight ratio rules between the models. I've seen this my car purchase history:

1997 - Civic 1.6 ESi (125bhp)
1999 - Civic 1.4 S (90bhp)
2000 - Civic 1.5 iLS (114bhp)
2003 - Civic 1.6 S (110bhp) - my wife
2003 - CTR (197bhp)

Nice cars... but seem to be getting slower with time. All the hype about the CTR, it's still a little crazy, noisy, expensive to run. Will be changing this for an Acoord soon.

ZENER

And since when have Piper cams been made with economy in mind???

I was referring to the stock cams in the car when made.:rolleyes:

ZEN

Gurgle

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Nice car

deathcube ^_^

IS THIS THE CAR THAT DADDY BOUGHT YOU ?

AndrewWK

He's just enjoying life, having fun

IANOC

notice he said his m8 timed it in the passenger seat which means he used a stopwatch or something similar so it would probably been over 11 secs

kdevitt

notice he said his m8 timed it in the passenger seat which means he used a stopwatch or something similar so it would probably been over 11 secs

is this because time travels faster in the passenger seat??

red_ice

Right then, i guess ill have to grab the bull by the hornes and just record with my camera the dashboard itsself! ill cover up above 60mph with some paper+tape so it is as clear as possible. ATM im uninsured (ran out) so give me a week or two to sort that out, then ill hit the traffic lights leading onto the m50 which would make the 0-60 all legal.

Originally posted by deathcube ^_^
IS THIS THE CAR THAT DADDY BOUGHT YOU ?

no actually, unlike you i dont have to make queer promises with mommy to buy me stuff. i work for my car/everything i own. Go crawl back under the rock outside the music center from which you came from you stupid looking muppet.

Practical

lies!

oeNeo

Reddy no offence but your car is a pile of shit and nobody gives a fuck.

RicardoSmith

Originally posted by red_ice
Right then, i guess ill have to grab the bull by the hornes and just record with my camera the dashboard itsself! ill cover up above 60mph with some paper+tape so it is as clear as possible. ATM im uninsured (ran out) so give me a week or two to sort that out, then ill hit the traffic lights leading onto the m50 which would make the 0-60 all legal....

Just out of curiosity how does that make it legal?

Besides its easily faked in a Video editing app.

echomadman

Just out of curiosity how does that make it legal?

because its a standing start in a 60mph zone, as opposed to doing it in his local housing estate.
why not read the post, then think about it before hopping in to slag him off

RicardoSmith

Originally posted by echomadman
because its a standing start in a 60mph zone, as opposed to doing it in his local housing estate.
why not read the post, then think about it before hopping in to slag him off

Is a (timed/video'ed) "standing start" legal on ANY public road?

How was I slagging him off by asking a question?

Man Time

I can't see what the problem would be, unless he was holding the video camera himself. I can't see what everone has to slag the guy? So he puts his money into his car, might not be everyones cup of tea but he's not doing anything wrong.

dogz

erm its been nearly 3 weeks still watin on the video:D :rolleyes:

Mayshine

Hey,

Just spotted this one is still going. Just in case the movie ever appears, you can compare it to these

My current Focus Speedo (0-70mph)

My Soon to be Celica Speedo (20-115mph - off road of course)

Both 1.8s. Anyway The focus is about 8 seconds 0-60, the celica about 8.5 seconds from 20-90, which is much quicker

Nice to see if the 1.4 civic can compete

DW

dcGT

Originally posted by Mayshine
Hey,


My Soon to be Celica Speedo (20-115mph - off road of course)

Both 1.8s. Anyway The focus is about 8 seconds 0-60, the celica about 8.5 seconds from 20-90, which is much quicker

DW

That Celica sounds fantastic.... what's under the bonnet ?

DC.

JohnCleary

Got any pics of this civic? I wanna see myself if shes 'poppin nicely'

RicardoSmith

Originally posted by jayok

Interesting the TypeR for the 6th generation does 0-60 in 5.1s - again from a 1.6 DOHC VTEC engine...

I thought it was a 1.8 engine?

jayok

Nope, it was a 1.6 DOHC that put out 175BHP (the 1998-200 model put out 185bhp), it just keeps revving up to 8,200rpm! (they seriously reduced the internal friction on the engine). They got the 0-60 time out of it but simply ripping out all excess weight (I mean everything!), even the windscreen was thinner than normal to reduce weight. Went like the clappers. Designed for the Japanese market though but you can get them off Jap importers here.

Just try getting insurance!

jayok

quote:

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Originally posted by Mayshine
Hey,


My Soon to be Celica Speedo (20-115mph - off road of course)

Both 1.8s. Anyway The focus is about 8 seconds 0-60, the celica about 8.5 seconds from 20-90, which is much quicker

DW

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0-60 in 8 seconds from a 1.8 Focus? Maybe downhill - official time for a 3dr 1.8 Zetec focus is at best 9.9 seconds. :dunno:

But the Celica - now you're talking!

RicardoSmith

Originally posted by jayok
Nope, it was a 1.6 DOHC that put out 175BHP (the 1998-200 model put out 185bhp), it just keeps revving up to 8,200rpm! (they seriously reduced the internal friction on the engine). They got the 0-60 time out of it but simply ripping out all excess weight (I mean everything!), even the windscreen was thinner than normal to reduce weight. Went like the clappers. Designed for the Japanese market though but you can get them off Jap importers here.

Just try getting insurance!

You sure it was a 1.6?

http://www.integra.orcon.net.nz/engines
http://www.teirney.net/civic/B16AReference.htm

ando

Originally posted by jayok
0-60 in 8 seconds from a 1.8 Focus? Maybe downhill - official time for a 3dr 1.8 Zetec focus is at best 9.9 seconds. :dunno:

mayshine is telling the truth, it is a 1.8. I've been in the car a few times and its impressively fast

unkel

A 1998-2001 Focus 3 door 1.8 ZTEC has 115BHP and does 0-100km/h (0-62mph) in 10.2 seconds. Not slow by all means, but not fast either...

Unless it was (chip)tuned

Mayshine

That celica is nice alright. it is the 190hp vvtli version with a TRD exhaust and intake i think. American versions of these are putting down 180hp to the wheels with the exhaust intake and chip. This is about 210hp at the flywheel which is what you are seeing in the video

the Focus that the movie came from is my own 1.8 but it has

St170 Cosworth 4-2-1 header
Sports Cat
Exhaust
Intake
Underdrive pullies
and a couple of other goodies

I'll dyno verify it when I get back from Singapore but proably is making about 140ish hp. This is based on dyno runs on the same engine with the same mods in the UK. Time the video if you like go 0-65 to allow for 10% speedo inaccuracy. Also I have a gtecg Pro accelerometer and it gives similar results.

Anyway it is going back to stock soon to make way for the celica unless anyone wants it as is....

Hope this helps

DW.

jayok

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You sure it was a 1.6?

http://www.integra.orcon.net.nz/engines
http://www.teirney.net/civic/B16AReference.htm

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Yep, definately a 1.6. It uses the B16B engine (as outlined in the 2nd link). The second and third digits in Honda's engine code give the capacity (i.e. D15Y6, is a 1.5, K20A, is a 2.0 litre, etc). The 1.8 Civic was a 5-door (or Aerodeck) type and wasn't mad on HP (about 140) but greatly improved the torque output. It was built in Swindon for the British market (motorway cruising, etc). You see the odd one around in Ireland. Integra Type R's utilise a 1.8 engine with an output of 189bhp (european model) far more refined than the Civic Type R - in so far as you could ever call a Integra refined!

Back to the JDM Type R, while it seemed great to have 185bhp at the front wheels, on a wet surface it was just a little crazy to control. Rarely would you put it to 8,200rpm in a bend for you would be putting a crash barrier design into the front of the car!

jayok

St170 Cosworth 4-2-1 header
Sports Cat
Exhaust
Intake
Underdrive pullies
and a couple of other goodies

Ahhh... my bad, for some reason didn't think about the tuning element!

The reason I was suspect of this was I rented one of these while travelling around Europe last year and I was a little disappointed with performance for a 1.8. But then again, I don't think Hertz are big tuning fans!

Mayshine

The stock cat on the 1.8 an 2.0 focus is very restrictive. It is very close to the head to get it warmed up quicky for emission reasone but of course causes a huge restriction on exhaust gases. Once that guy is replaced with a long tube header the car really gets back the torque that it was robbed of.

I would like to sell it on like this because all the parts on the car are genuine for parts from an ST170. But looks like I am going to have to put all the OEM junk back on to get it sold You can see it on the sticky thread asking for pics of users cars

But that celica does look nice (190bhp as standard from a 1.8) :cool: And insurance prices keep falling each time I check ....

DW

unkel

Originally posted by Mayshine
St170 Cosworth 4-2-1 header
Sports Cat
Exhaust
Intake
Underdrive pullies
and a couple of other goodies

I'll dyno verify it when I get back from Singapore but proably is making about 140ish hp

Now it makes more sense

Like the Celica revving btw

Mayshine

Like the Celica revving btw

Thats what I like about it so much. Can wait to use this no torque monster to slay a few desiels

impr0v

Originally posted by RicardoSmith
Put it to you this way, if you have some reason to make a claim on your insurance, the car was stolen for example, and you have non disclosed mods, even something like non standard wheels, stereo, lights. The insurance company can refuse to pay out.

Is it illegal not to declare them? I dunno.

Without being able to give a definative answer, i'd strongly suspect it is, as to not declare them means the insurance policy he holds doesn't cover him and he's effectively uninsured.

I don't know how thoroughly an insurance assessor or inspector will go over the car, if at all, should it be in a big smash and lead to a large payout, but if he/she found some undeclared mods the payout would have to come from the ininsured drivers fund.

ando

what model/year celica are you referring to Dave?

Mayshine

7th generation celica (1999-present). Going for the 190 (T-Sport) varient with 189hp as standard. 200+ with TRD exhaust. Not easy to find here so I will pick one up in the UK. Will be any colour but silver. I like the dark blue or red or black

I want to get the RS but the VRT comes in at 10k for even the oldest RS (an 02), while an 02 celica is 6k, 01 5k. I guess this is because the celica is a 1.8 while the RS is 2.0. Tax is less too

I know the RS is quicker but the celica has been growing on me for the last few weeks + the insurance is cheaper too

So celcia with 15k on the clock for about 21k or an RS with 15k for about 34k. :rolleyes:


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