Out of Body Experiences (OBE's)

Nick_oliveri

Hope there isn't another thread like this here..
About two years ago i was feeling kinda crappy, nothing unusual
went to sleep and woke up about three o clock. Got out of the bed to go to the jacks, switched on my room light, opened my door and walked the two steps to the bathroom lightswitch outside the jacks. I went to switch it on but to my unforseen horror i couldnt, I cant explain it, my finger didnt go through it or anything. There was no force left inside me. Suddenly, i felt something take control of me as i tried to grasp the nearest thing to me to stop being forcefully taken away. Again, there was nothing i could do. I was dragged into my room with the most disgusting awkward feeling i have ever experienced, i seen myself, lying facing the left, i thought i was dead for that brief two seconds. It's quite disturbing seeing yourself. When i entered my body this feeling of nausea peaked, beyond description. I woke straight away, the light in my room was on, the door ajar only a few inches. No one else was there that night and i have never sleepwalked before. Anyone else have the same experience?

keu

that made me almost ill reading it. I had an almost OBE , I woke myself up during it, was most horrifying experience and left me paralysed for about ten minutes. yuck. not a nice feeling having no control over your body. out of curiosity, after you got back to your body, did you experience really intense waves pulling over you? (hard to describe, but I thought my eardrums would explode with the pressure and yeah that feeling made me want to vomit) Really interested to hear more.

Nick_oliveri

I have a very scary selective memory. I dont sleep much. I cant remember much about that night after the incident. Last week before i went asleep at seven in the morning i felt like i was being pumped full of radiation, "Scanned" from head to toe, only once. It felt strangely right. As if i knew i could sleep afterwards. Whats your interpretation of this feeling and its relation to OBE's?

minority

I nearly jumped out of my skin this morning when the alarm clock went off if that counts

Have you no good looking neighbours, just to make the whole OBE thing a bit easier to handle lol

keu

Last week before i went asleep at seven in the morning i felt like i was being pumped full of radiation, "Scanned" from head to toe, only once.

I remember describing it at the time like the the way the stargate transporter device comes down from the ship
wave after wave, from head to toe, it was very very intense at first and was accompanied by a mad frequency of some sort, hurt my ears the pressure was so loud, which made me feel ill. I couldn't open my eyes, was like they were glued shut, but it was like I could see through my eyelids, couldn't move any part of my body and I was really really trying to (trying to shout for it to stop at the same time, but nothing comming out) Scary stuff. I stopped fighting it and slowly(after about ten minutes) I got movement back, but I was exhausted after it (and really pissed off).
After that it would happen just by thinking about it, like when I was meditating..don't know if you meditate, but I used to visualise colours washing over me..and it started to do it when I was visualising all the colours, they would wash over like those waves.

What do I think of it?
Think its all down to electro-magnetics of some sort. (human field of energy/soul/spirit).
I'm suprised your asking me for an interpretation, because I think it becomes very apparant when your there.

Someone brought up the subject of electromagnetics in a different post

Certain electro-magnetic devices have the ability to tap into higher-dimensional energies.

Personally..I think there is so much radiation in the atmosphere nowdays, electrical equipment, comuters, telecomunications masts..maybe its affecting the human electro-magnetic field and producing these effects?? acting like some sort of amplifier>?

and yea...I love when it happens now, before I fall asleep. Its much softer and I know I'm going somewhere nice for the night

Nick_oliveri

I'd love to have another OBE, be able to control it etc.. I hear its very dangerous if you cant decipher the way back. Literally losing all hope. Could meditation help? I've never done it before. Any DIY meditation pages on the net?

keu

Think there are a couple of posters here who practise hathga?yoga, maybe they can advise.
There is a place I used to go where you can particpate online, will pm you if thats ok.

Nick_oliveri

Yeah thats cool. Thanks man.

keu

Woman

will be in touch

Elessar

Nick that is a really horrible experience. I truely believe you. That was definately an OBE. I've researched this phenomenon for years and what you explain fits the picture. I know people who have had it happen to them. You are not alone in the frightening OBE you've had. There are plenty more cases over at www.oberf.org like yours, where people have literally been thrown across the room by malevolant people (spirits, entities whatever you want to call them).

Let me explain what I've gathered from fellow researchers in the states and my own research (this might sound crazy but there are millions of people like you who experience these OBEs and many agree on this general overview of what is happening).

First lets get the term OBE straight: an Out Of Body experience is when the consciousness of a person (his/her soul if you will) detaches itself from the physical body.

The place you where in for a short time is what some people call the quantum plane, similar to our own physical plane (where we are now). Except this plane is where some people go when they die to adjust to life as a free consciousness (or soul or whatever), before moving on to higher planes of existence. We simply cannot see this plane because it is on a higher vibrational level (less dense) than here. (a theoretical physics theory known as superstrings has predicted that there may be up to something like 10/11 of these planes on a particle vibration/spin level, this could be directly related i think).

However some people who are in the quantum plane do not move "up the ladder" as it were to other planes because they are usually either terribly confused or simply do not believe in an afterlife/God. The person who grabbed you was one of these I believe. He/she is not necessarily evil mind you, simply confused or angry because they do not know where they are or what's happening. So they take upon others on that plane like bullies.

The usual signal people get if they are about to have an OBE is usually a very loud buzzing or humming sound in the ears (its so intense that they feel their head will explode) and/or a feeling of being paralysed. This seems similar to what you felt, remote viewer.

However nobody can take your free will away from you and some people who have been attacked in OBEs have made their agressors go away by simply asserting themselves saying something along the lines of "You cannot hurt me, ever. Go away and leave me alone." Also it seems fear attracts a bad OBE, like yours. Try to think positively, if you ever have one again.

There are many sites and discussion groups on the net which go into OBEs in much more detail, have a look on google. Meanwhile try these for starters:

www.oberf.org - read other people's experiences

http://www.worlditc.org/f_01_roadmap_spirit_worlds.htm

At least you know you've just seen proof of an afterlife, Nick. Although I'm not sure wether you believe what you saw or not?

Best Regards anyway,

Elessar.

keu

We simply cannot see this plane because it is on a higher vibrational level (less dense) than here. (a theoretical physics theory known as superstrings has predicted that there may be up to something like 10/11 of these planes on a particle vibration/spin level, this could be directly related i think).

so very glad to see someone talking sense

btw..elessar, nick works in charleville castle which is where the paranormal investigation is taking place, first thought that jumped into my head is the connections with that place. any thoughts?
(the reason I say this is because I experienced all that stuff after moving into a house with a life of its own too)

tonky

Hi. I've done a bit of work on OBE, but have not managed it yet. Overcoming the fear is the main obstacle, esp the vibrations, "boat" effect and dual-location issues. Interesting stuff.
The reward would be (i guess) personal proof of concious existence outside the body. Well worth trying for imho.
Anyone tried those "Hemi-Sync" audio items supposed to alter conciousness by producing a low frequency beat in your head?

Nick_oliveri

I dont believe in god.. to think that people would try and rid anyone who made it onto that plane without asking for help or concluding that there is a possibility that they could get outside help from us is illogical to me. Which leads me to believe that there is a purpose in being dragged back in. Seeing what you are not supposed to see, life in the afterlife. If we are on the same plane during an OBE, then why only sometimes are these forces visible and sometimes not? The strange thing was, it all felt normal until i went for that light. I seen nothing before that.

Most mornings i feel this tingling sensation. Are we all doing this and forgetting it? Has anyone analysed the brain patterns of a person who frequently gets OBE's, during or after?

Edit- Only started going up to the castle last year.

keu

Only started going up to the castle last year

did the experience happen before that?

to think that people would try and rid anyone who made it onto that plane without asking for help or concluding that there is a possibility that they could get outside help from us is illogical to me.

From experience..those within that plane just don't realise any differently, its just a state of consciousness, which you describe very clearly here...

The strange thing was, it all felt normal until i went for that light. I seen nothing before that

I've met lots of "spirits" who think the same way. (and i'm a bit nervous about talking about the rest of this stuff here.. tbh)

but I hope that makes sense.

Nick_oliveri

Originally posted by remote viewer
did the experience happen before that?

Yes, about a year or so.

keu

have you seen anything up there?

Nick_oliveri

7 or 8 in the morning, Im in "Connies room" and im just asleep. I hear footsteps from the bottom of the bed over to the window( running), the windows open and the footsteps go back to where they came from.

Another night aroun midnight, something ran down the stairs, came through the hall and started bangin on my door, again they ran back.

weemcd

ive talked about this on another thread, but others and myself included thought i had an outer body experience. You see when i was two years old i broke my leg, which is obviously a very traumatic experience, when i think back to the event I always see it unfold in 3rd person, which led me to believe it was an outer body experience, thinking about it feels almost cinematic. I thought i should share this experience with you guys here.

ps i love this forum

keu

yeah..I think kids aren't as limited as adults and can "see".."particpate" more easily in things of this nature.

weemcd

must be the shock to the system aswell fuking with your head

Elessar

Hi remote viewer,

Yes I think being in a haunted house or being near a place with paranormal activities can trigger events like OBEs. I've read reports of many people who have had NDEs (Near Death Experiences - similar to OBEs but where the person is clinically dead and uaually takes a direct trip to the astral plane) who returned to their bodies only to find out they now have psychic abilities.

You said your experiences happened when you moved to a place which was haunted?

keu

You said your experiences happened when you moved to a place which was haunted?

I moved in here the week after my father passed coincidently, so I think it was a combination of a new awareness..so to speak... and living here. Was like I didn't have much choice in the matter lol.

MeatProduct

Tonky, I have tried those Hemi-Sync tapes. They are produced by the Monroe Institute which was started by the late Robert Monroe whose first book I just happen to be reading now. In this book he gives practical exercises (chapters 16/17) on how to have an OOBE (Out Of Body Experience).

A friend and myself have been experimenting with intrainment music that enduce travel to the astral or lower 5th dimension. This is where people go during an OOBE as Elessar already said.

There is an online course available on astral travel on www.mysticweb.org. It's a 9 week course that is currently starting the 2nd week. It covers concentration and relexation in the first 2 weeks.

For this particular type of travel I would recommend Raja Yoga although it is easier to start with Hatha Yoga.

Nick

Suaimhneach

It's called Astral Projection. People can control it. It happens to others without their control. If it happens to you often enough then I'd recommend looking it up on google or something and learning the basics of being able to protect yourself. When you leave yourself, your body is unprotected.

It's happened to me once or twice. But I've never been afraid. Just....kinda....floaty.

munkeehaven

i've always suffered from these intense,sinister moments when im half awake/asleep, i dont know whether they are be OBE's, but i do fell like im awake when they happen. it usually consists of me being vaguely conscious but not being able to fully awake because i feel like my body is made out of lead or that im being restrained, and i can usually feel a really horrible ''presence'' or something near me, that never quite gets a hold of me but really scares the shyte out of me.everything is really dark and grainy like the white noise on the dead television channels. its really hard to describe..its like there is a huge pressure in my head and i feel like someone is breathing on me.....dont know where im going with this but it has always bothered me since i was 11 or 12. im the kind of person that finds it hard to sleep and i try not to sleep during the day(when im tired and want to doze etc) as i sometimes get sleep paralysis..my mum used to get it a lot when she was a teenager....i keep telling myself its only dreaming but it just feels way too ''intense'' to be dreaming.....its freaky....

keu

hi munkeehaven

I spose it depends on what you want to believe.

zoro

Only once (that I know of) did I get sleep-paralysis. I have a terrible memory unfortunately, and I've only a very very hazy memory of it - but what I do remember I was absolutely terrified. I panicked so much that I felt like I couldn't breath (yet I was) and because I believed I couldnt, sure enough - I stopped.

I eventually got control of it though, but it was horrible as I'd never felt anything like it before. Looking back, I wish that I could have had more control over my fear - but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Would OBE's be at all related to "waking up" in your dreams and realising it's a dream (and so you can control it)? I've had a few where I guessed it was a dream and could alter events, such as traffic lights changing, changing seasons - that kind of thing. But only once have I ever completely realised "hey, this is a dream ... MY DREAM!"
I thought that I could prove it to myself my changing something into something else - and instead of changing a nearby tree into a beautiful woman, I changed my left hand into a machete. I gave myself such a fright that I woke up, and it's never happened since

Saruman

Originally posted by munkeehaven
i've always suffered from these intense,sinister moments when im half awake/asleep, i dont know whether they are be OBE's, but i do fell like im awake when they happen. it usually consists of me being vaguely conscious but not being able to fully awake because i feel like my body is made out of lead or that im being restrained, and i can usually feel a really horrible ''presence'' or something near me, that never quite gets a hold of me but really scares the shyte out of me.everything is really dark and grainy like the white noise on the dead television channels. its really hard to describe..its like there is a huge pressure in my head and i feel like someone is breathing on me.....dont know where im going with this but it has always bothered me since i was 11 or 12. im the kind of person that finds it hard to sleep and i try not to sleep during the day(when im tired and want to doze etc) as i sometimes get sleep paralysis..my mum used to get it a lot when she was a teenager....i keep telling myself its only dreaming but it just feels way too ''intense'' to be dreaming.....its freaky....

Thats sleep-paralysis munkeehaven Its perfectly normal actually. Its actually what happens to most people who in the past thought they were possesed by demons etc and more common these days is "alien abduction" Anyway its a natural thing so dont worry about it. Im not someone who ever panics so when it happens to me (at least 4 times i remember!) i just relax and wait for my body to wake up

Bassically you are sleeping even though your eyes are open.. you are still asleep and your body in that state is [retty much paralysed.. why? think about it.. If you enacted flying or something in your sleep and your body tried to do it.. well you can see why not being able to move at that level of sleep is a good thing. Anyway you are half conscious so aware but since you are still asleep your dreams imagine things.. you might SEE an alien or demon or something.

Actually its a lot of fun i think, except one time i woke up and realise my knee was twisted so when i got feeling back i was in so much bloody pain

Oh and on waking up, relaising its a dream and controlling it? I do that all the time. Most of the time i dream i become aware and control it. Its fun.. its only not fun when i wake up enough to not be dreaming as such any more and now im just using my imagination trying to hang on to the dream, especially if its a "good" dream

zoro

Originally posted by Saruman
its only not fun when i wake up enough to not be dreaming as such any more and now im just using my imagination trying to hang on to the dream, especially if its a "good" dream

Saruman

I guess you know what i mean by a "good dream" :cool:

Oh i singed up for those free courses (online) on the mysticweb site. Starts in august.

Zulu

Originally posted by Jesjes
It's called Astral Projection. People can control it. It happens to others without their control. If it happens to you often enough then I'd recommend looking it up on google or something and learning the basics of being able to protect yourself. When you leave yourself, your body is unprotected.

It's happened to me once or twice. But I've never been afraid. Just....kinda....floaty.

Unprotected from what exactly? Could another spirit hijack your body???

zoro

Originally posted by Zulu
Unprotected from what exactly? Could another spirit hijack your body???

exactly what I was thinking ....

Saruman

I know there was discussion on Deja Vu before but if the Astral plane allows you to go to another universe.. perhaps you play out some possible future one night and then a few days later or whatever something similar happens and you get the feeling this has happened before. It has in a way just not in this plane.

ThrAx

Have any of you downloaded brainwave generator? There is a preset for the registered version which can induce OOBEs. I have used a few presets. I tried an "LSD" simulator which was weirdish

Can't remember the link to the site but google is your friend.

satori

I found it more of a hindrence then a help.... but each to there own!

Saruman

Holy crap i just downloaded that and within seconds i noticed the effects.. no OOB experience in the list but i tried 3 of them and they did seem to change the way i was. Im at a site setting up a server so cant play now but will try later tonight

Suaimhneach

Originally posted by Zulu
Unprotected from what exactly? Could another spirit hijack your body???

Well....perhaps. To be honest, this is as far as I got in the knowledge. If it happens to you a lot. I'd recommend a very simple thing before going to sleep. Saying in your mind " I am safe, I am happy, and I am protected" Or something similar. Whatever you are comfortable with. If you reaffirm your place and your person, if anything EVER was to try JUMP into your body, then that should stop them. Lol. I think. I have a general knowledge on it. I talk to/know people that study it, but have not studied it myself. So maybe if your concerned look into it more yourself.

Man I hope I don't come off as crazy.

Zulu

Originally posted by Jesjes
Well....perhaps. To be honest, this is as far as I got in the knowledge. If it happens to you a lot. I'd recommend a very simple thing before going to sleep. Saying in your mind " I am safe, I am happy, and I am protected" Or something similar. Whatever you are comfortable with. If you reaffirm your place and your person, if anything EVER was to try JUMP into your body, then that should stop them. Lol. I think. I have a general knowledge on it. I talk to/know people that study it, but have not studied it myself. So maybe if your concerned look into it more yourself.

Man I hope I don't come off as crazy.

Just a little crazy
How would saying that protect you from a spirit taking your body? (assuming they can)

keu

i spose it works in the same way as if you were sick, some people have the ability to tell themselves that they are better, a bit like self hypnosis?
(people use mantras to achieve the same effect, repeating words over and saying them with conviction, has the effect of inducing required states of mind and have a calming influence)
would think to achieve maximum effect you might have to believe in what you are saying though.
is the basis behind prayer and most people would have said a prayer (for reassurance) before they slept.

Suaimhneach

Erm. Pretty much. If I'm really honest [and sound REALLY crazy] if your in the situation where you are leaving your body without control over it, I'd just ask for God, if taht's what you belive in, or your angels, if thats what you belive in....you get the jist, ask for whatever faith you have [similar to the idea of a mantra] to just be with you and keep you safe, before you fall asleep that is. YOu should be fine. I doubt it happens to people that often for them to do what I'm saying though.....

hehe. Jesjes aka crazy lady...out!

clearz

What a lot of you are talking about here is Awareness During Sleep Parylsis (ASP). When you fall asleep every night your brain makes this chemical that parylsises you from head to toe. People who sleep walk dont produce this chemical properly so they act out their dreams. Some other people including myself sometimes become aware that they are asleep but because of this chemical cannot move. Sometimes you can even see dark figures lurking in the room and hear buzzing sounds and even feel like sombody is trying to kill you. This can be very frightening at first but the important thing is to take control of it. You can use this state of concionuss to enter into a lucid dream or even have an OBE. This takes a lot of practice.

Oh yea I usually get it after a tight bender at the weekend.

Evil_Bilbo

Had a dream the other night (just as I was dosing off) that I was up and going to the bathroom - quite similar to the dream at the start of this thread.

Anyway I turned on the light, went into the bathroom, and I started to go blind (or everything started getting dark). Then I was reaching for the light over the mirror, and was gripped with fear.

I dunno if any of ye watched twin peaks, but there was a "theory" in it that in the black lodge (a place of evil), you would meet your double (or shadow self or evil twin or doppleganger). The Indians called it "the dweller on the threshold". Cooper meets his shadow self at the end of the series

Anyway - I watched the entire series about 3 months ago (amazing btw), but for some reason I "knew" that this feeling of fear was because my shadow self was trying to come in through the door. I was shouting and completely freaking out, and didnt want to open my eyes incase I saw myself

Then I woke up. Would this be an out of body experience (or should I just lay off the spliff before bed and twin peaks).

the entire thing only lasted about 5 minutes and I managed to get back to sleep a while after - really freaked me out though.

Space Coyote

If any of you guys have ever read any James Herbert books, you should read his most recent one. It's called 'Nobody True' and it's about a guy that learns to control his obe's. It's a brilliant story. Thought some of yis would be interested.

Nick_oliveri

Had some dream the other night, i forget what it was.... it doesn't matter. Anyway i was drifting in and out of this and all of a sudden i felt hands and then an arm going over my shoulder. I kept my eyes shut and rolled over to "squeeze" back and realized there was no one there. Just as i realized this, the feeling went away much to my disappointment. I rolled over as if there was a presence on the left hand side of me. I havent broken up with anybody and im not missing anybody recently. And im not blaming the spliff. But i felt that this was a presence i WANTED to "sqeeze" back. I still want to.

satori

"spliff" can i ask what this is?

(sorry but blame the sheltered life)

And regarding the presence was it comforting and the urge to squezze back on of love and security or more nocternal lust?

As in experiences of the astral it is not unusual to come accross succubus type energy.

Zulu

spliff = reefer = j

Nick_oliveri

J = Hash = Marijuana = = :ninja:

Edit: It was a loving squeeze.
SUCCUBUS? :eek:

Gillo

I'm in work in a few minutes so I don't have time to go through all the posts, I had an OBE years ago myself and yeah it was pretty scary, especially since I didn't know what it was at the time.

Thing is one or two of you metioned waking up and been paralysed. THIS IS NOT A OBE.

Gillo

Doh, accidently p[osted before I was finished.

When you are asleep, you brain often paralyses your body, this is to stop you acting out your dreams and doing yourself some serious harm. Sometimes if you wake up suddenly (for any reason) your brain does not unparalsyse (sorry about spelling) your body. So you are basically awake and cannot move. It's happened me a few times freaked me out the first time, (what makes it worse is you realise you can't move and then try to shout out for help!!!!). Once you know what it is you don't really worry about it.

If it ever happens you, just try to relax and go back asleep.

clearz

gillo you are just after repeating what I said at the top of this page

keu

want to tell us about your OBE gillo?