Suggestion about Bickering/Suggestions forum

smiaras

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Asok

So you want a board where quite a few of the most active posters will have no feedback into how the place is run. sounds interesting.

smiaras

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koneko

Mods are people too.

seamus

Originally posted by smiaras
I know that their opinion holds a lot of value in these parts but can regular users not have a place to voice opinions without getting lambasted/flame baited/ big little whatever?

Mods are regular users. Look past the tags and see spammy nerds.

It's no accident that mainly mods reply, as we all like to have a say, and we have the same right to. If non-mods feel intimidated posting, that's their problem. If they disagree with a mod, they can say it.

I don't see why people should be protected from being shot down if a suggestion doesn't have merit. If they're wrong, they're wrong.

smiaras

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UnrealQueen

Originally posted by seamus
If non-mods feel intimidated posting, that's their problem. If they disagree with a mod, they can say it.

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Not without being attacked for it.

smiaras

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Rabies

Shhhhh. The mods are coming. Don't speak out of turn again. You will be sleeping with the fishes soon.

The mods only have status on the boards they mod. Outside their own board they are classed as regular boards users. Doesn't matter if you are a mod or not on the Admin board. The Admins have the final say.

Woden

i've no idea how many forums there are on boards (actually how many forums are there?) but i mod a whole two of em which is a quite a small percentage i reckon.

however i use many more of them on a regular basis and i dont see why opinion on whatever should be removed due to this small percentage.

what does bother me is if some new user comes along now and requests a simpson forum or anything else thats been discussed before is that people will probably jump down his/her throat instead of politely saying its been dicussed before and decided against.

another thing is the recent renaming of this forum and while it is somewhat amusing is indicative of the problem. Why is it now bickering instead of feedback? if the forum has been brought down to the level of petty bickering then why isn't it being modded better?

Beruthiel

Originally posted by smiaras
Am I the only that's noticed that this forum is typically dominated by responses from mods? I know that their opinion holds a lot of value in these parts but can regular users not have a place to voice opinions without getting lambasted/flame baited/ big little whatever?

way before I became a mod I was a regular user just like yourself , why you would think my opinion counts for something more than yours is beyond me, it doesn't.
If you see more responses from mods in here than normal users then it's because they are more interested in commenting on the topic.

The Muppet

Originally posted by smiaras
Sorry about the double post but that's completely untrue. You can say it but you'd get pounced on by about 20 other mods (It's like some mad psychic bond they seem to have ). Also that really highlights some of the flame baiting that goes on here, mods are seemingly able to say something which they know tempts a reply but regular users have to be far more careful with their language and tone.

Great idea. The mods have their own forum for discussing whatever it is they discuss. Why can,t the mortals have one as well? Feed back suggestions could then be a forum solely for us plebs to make suggestions and give feedback which was probably the reason of its inception. . It would have to be modded by admins as it is now of course

smiaras

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Asok

Just because i mod one board does it make me any less of a regular user on every other one.

seamus

Sorry about the double post but that's completely untrue. You can say it but you'd get pounced on by about 20 other mods (It's like some mad psychic bond they seem to have ). Also that really highlights some of the flame baiting that goes on here, mods are seemingly able to say something which they know tempts a reply but regular users have to be far more careful with their language and tone.

They tend to get pounced on because it's been dealt with before (see below), and they're either wrong or in a minority. I don't think mods are necessarily more allowed to say something which is trolling or flaming, they're just a little more experienced at making it appear civil. The less experienced user then replies uncivilly and finds himself getting eaten up. That's not confined to Feedback/Suggestions though, and is part of the craic on boards.

Originally posted by Dataisgod
what does bother me is if some new user comes along now and requests a simpson forum or anything else thats been discussed before is that people will probably jump down his/her throat instead of politely saying its been dicussed before and decided against.

That annoys me too. It's something that needs to be addressed.

Woden

Originally posted by The Muppet
Why can,t the mortals have one as well?

perhaps your opinions of us are part of the problem. i'm only immortal on the weekends

davej

Possibility of a bickering and suggestions forum without feedback from mods?

Who would mod this "no mods allowed" forum? Kind of a catch 22 situation methinks

davej

The Muppet

Originally posted by Dataisgod
perhaps your opinions of us are part of the problem. i'm only immortal on the weekends

No Its not. I don't have any set opinion on mods or admin. I take each as i find them and i have found some to be very nice and helpful and some not so. I can handle it but when a new user or a young member is flamed for amking a suggestion that the deem reasonable by a mod it can be off putting and gives a wrong impression of this board.


Of course the Mods should have their say on things but they in effect are management level here and already have their own forum for discussion with admins.

Asok

Its the no asok's club all over again damn you asok hickilton!!

smiaras

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Woden

Originally posted by The Muppet
I can handle it but when a new user or a young member is flamed for amking a suggestion that the deem reasonable by a mod it can be off putting and gives a wrong impression of this board.

yeap agree with this here alright

Originally posted by The Muppet

Of course the Mods should have their say on things but they in effect are management level here and already have their own forum for discussion with admins.

that forum for discussion though is mainly to let others know who has been banned from what and why and it doesn't serve the same function as this forum. I presume if a mod wanted to discuss something with an admin is unless it particularly related to the board modded by that mod the suggestion should be here or the discussion by pm

Beruthiel

Originally posted by smiaras
Admin...they are almighty beings of course and in these parts there word is scripture

you don't think they have enough to do already?

smiaras

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Asok

god your stupid

The Muppet

Originally posted by Beruthiel
you don't think they have enough to do already?

They already mod this forum so no extra work is involved.

that forum for discussion though is mainly to let others know who has been banned from what and why and it doesn't serve the same function as this forum. I presume if a mod wanted to discuss something with an admin is unless it particularly related to the board modded by that mod the suggestion should be here or the discussion by pm

Ok but do the mods and admin not hav a forum where they discuss whats happeing in private , if not one would be a good idea with suggestions from this forum going there for the admin to get the mods opinion on it.

Woden

Originally posted by The Muppet

Ok but do the mods and admin not hav a forum where they discuss whats happeing in private , if not one would be a good idea with suggestions from this forum going there for the admin to get the mods opinion on it.

not that i'm aware of though i suppose it could be done on the mod forum, but thats just setting mods and non-mods apart again. why would the admin want to get the mods opinion on anything when we can just post here, our opinion holds no more weight or whatever.

seamus

Originally posted by The Muppet
Ok but do the mods and admin not hav a forum where they discuss whats happeing in private , if not one would be a good idea with suggestions from this forum going there for the admin to get the mods opinion on it.

No, any recommended changes would go through this board.

Things that get discussed on the Mod board are things that will affect the Mods jobs directly. Anything that will have an effect all users is put here. Except for one or two things which the admins want to run by the mods first before the whole community - the mods were given access to the subscription system early for testing for example.

Asok

Originally posted by The Muppet
They already mod this forum so no extra work is involved. <-- there will be if they have to create another to get mods opinions.(see fig 1.0)




Ok but do the mods and admin not hav a forum where they discuss whats happeing in private , fig 1.0we dont if not one would be a good idea with suggestions from this forum going there for the admin to get the mods opinion on it. we can do that all here in one forum

The Muppet

Originally posted by Dataisgod
not that i'm aware of though i suppose it could be done on the mod forum, but thats just setting mods and non-mods apart again. why would the admin want to get the mods opinion on anything when we can just post here, our opinion holds no more weight or whatever.

I agree that mods opinion holds no more weight than non mod useres here but I don't believe that the is the general perception of newer members. It has taken me a year to come to that realisation and I do believe what Simirias has highlighted is a genunine problem. My suggestions are probably not the answer but as boards expands at a pace the issue of some mods attitude needs to be addressed.

Woden

perhaps they could put something in the newbie FAQ saying only listen to the mods on the forums they mod

Asok

btw did any1 EVAR tell u ur stupid

Woden

i've decided you're the first

we shall now have a ceremony where i hand you a large bunch of flowers

/me hands asok a large bunch of flowers

Asok

*JOY!*

WhiteWashMan

Originally posted by smiaras
I don't care whether their opinion holds more weight than mine, it's their conduct that I'd be more concerned about.

what makes you think your opinion is weighted less than the opinion of a mod?

Originally posted by smiaras

I mean the whole Johnny Versace thing was a joke. If you don't like the guy that's cool but why try and flame bait him?

i think you will find these things are down to human nature, and not down to titles.

just because someone has moderator status, doesnt mean their not a díckhead.

treat everyone equally. the mods job is simply to pull up people who dont do that. if they cant do that, they maybe their situation should be reviewed?

DeVore

Originally posted by smiaras
If they're wrong they're wrong yes but why aggrevate the situation? I find the idea of having admin giving a single reply much better, sure you're going to get the obvious why followed by the but why replies. But hey I find that a lot better than scrolling through loads of replies, I mean how many times and in how many ways can you say You're wrong (Sets counter..on your marks, get set...go!)

The admin forum can only be replied to by Admins. You should post there if you only want an admin reply. WARNING: Forum suggestions will be moved here.

DeV.

smiaras

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DeVore

I've actually suggested that idea before for the entire *site*. I still think it would improve things round here.

DeV.

Boston

Originally posted by DeVore
I've actually suggested that idea before for the entire *site*. I still think it would improve things round here.

DeV.

Do you mean that you would be required two existing member to sponsor you before oyu could become a member? Or do you mean for each individual board. Sounds excessive. Also keep in mind certain people who would never have got sponsorship from any of the regs. You're basically basing your entire opinion of someone on your first impression.

phreak

don't know if this is possible or not but how about when a mod posts on a fourm that isn't the one they moderate they have a normal tag line and no "Mod: <insert board i moderate here>".

People wouldn't be as confused then.

Trojan

smiaras, you are trying to rob me (personally) of my right to contribute to boards.ie as a normal member. I don't like that and vehemently disagree with your suggestion.

Cheers,
Al.

Dont be at yourself

smiaras, you are trying to rob me (personally) of my right to contribute to boards.ie as a normal member. I don't like that and vehemently disagree with your suggestion.

Cheers,
Al.

In all fairness, who cares what you think? You're a mod.

Victor

This place is filling up with whiny bitches.

What DeV said.

smiaras

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jank

Seems like a good idea but then again good ideas on boards dont go hand in hand
Mods/admins seem to interested in pushing thier own points of view most of the time.


1000 posts:cool:

seamus

Originally posted by jank
Seems like a good idea but then again good ideas on boards dont go hand in hand
mods/admins seem to interested in pusing thier own points of view most of the time.


1000 posts:cool:

Mwuhahahaha. Today you're fighting teh powah...tomorrow you'll be one of us. It is inevitable. You cannot escape your destiny Neo^H^H^Hjank

ZENER

There is a sense of intimidation from the mods though. Don't argue or you'll be sorry and when you do argue they can say what they like about you and there's nothing you can do . . they're protected !

The soccer forum was made a closed shop because of the alleged crap being posted there, some of the threads in this forum for the past week make what happened on soccer look insignificant yet nothing has been said are done about it !! I mean full on bitch slapping in the wierd email forum was let slide because of the clique of the mods.

Sorry smiaras I found another 2 cents !

ZEN

Crash

Zener i think i should probably state before someone does flame your ass for failing to have any grasp as to wtf was going on on the "weird email" thread that it was not let slide because of the "mod clique".

It was let slide because of the particular user it was against Boston AKA skanger AKA half of bubbles (dont quite know which half).

So if you're going to go around making a half arsed viewpoint, at least try and get an idea of whats going on. I really am sick of the "mod clique" line being toted out as well as the "well normal users dont cop that outside of their board the mods are just normal users so thats why we should make it so the mods cant reply" line, cus thats just ****e. if someone cant cop it is it neccessary to mollycoddle their ignorance?

I mod a highly HIGHLY insignificant board. Highly. I do very little. i delete the odd troll from around the place. i keep it clean and civil. Generally the mod board is very little use to me as i dont exactly have to keep a close eye on who's doing what cus they generally dont come my way (with the exception of vader, our now departed thread).

Now let me get this straight, after a friend asked me if i would take over the forum for her cus she no longer had an interest in it, i should then be penalised by no longer being able to act like a "regular" user as it was put, and voice my views here?


One word. Horseshit.

And in the same thread where someone attempts segregation of this sort we also have people bitching about the "mod Clique omfg!"

also Unrealqueen: you were fairly banned. simply because you dont like it you INSIST on putting in a snide comment on EVERY SINGLE THREAD thats about a banning. every one. Give it a ****ing rest! :rolleyes:

dahamsta

Originally posted by seamus
Mods are regular users. Look past the tags and see spammy nerds.

I resemble that remark.

ZENER

Zener i think i should probably state before someone does flame your ass for failing to have any grasp as to wtf was going on on the "weird email" thread that it was not let slide because of the "mod clique".

Thanks for the warning but I think I had a pretty good idea of what was happening and my initial comment still stands. If anyone else had been the cause their asses would have been wooped and no mistake.

I mod a highly HIGHLY insignificant board. Highly. I do very little. i delete the odd troll from around the place. i keep it clean and civil. Generally the mod board is very little use to me as i dont exactly have to keep a close eye on who's doing what cus they generally dont come my way (with the exception of vader, our now departed thread)

Where you mod:

6. also, newbies, do us all a favour and post in the "who's who" thread. keep spam in there to a minimum please.

Thats what this thread is referring to, there is no assumption whatsoever that a "newbie" might just be a mature adult with the requisite cop on.

And in the same thread where someone attempts segregation of this sort we also have people bitching about the "mod Clique omfg!

:rolleyes:

ZEN

Crash

You seem to have missed the point of a charter - it spells out all the things that people should and shouldnt do. therefore to put that in is perfectly acceptable.

Secondly In respect to CTYI i have every right to assume that the newbie isnt a mature adult - the board mainly consists of 13-16yr olds. so rather than copying and pasting trying to prove your point, think before you post.

ZENER

Why have you chosen to light on me here ? I didn't start the thread but merely expressed an opinion having been at the blunt end of an argument with a mod with no recourse whatsoever.

Unreal queen too seems to have been at the wrong end of a row with a mod - I recall reading her appeals here and wondering if there wasn't a clash of personalities.

I dont know you from adam and already I dont particularly like you - not that you'll be too worried by that i hope - but you arrived here with airs and graces giving out to me - come back and have a go at me later when they've dropped son !

ZEN