24 (Beware Spoilers!!) Discuss latest US ep here

DrEvil

Just starting a second thread to discuss the latest episodes from the US so as to avoid spoiling Net2/Sky viewers of 24. I don't think we should bother putting spoiler tags unless it's about something like insider info about episodes not shown or next weeks previews.

Raoul Duke

About time. It's too much hard work reading the other thread. Also, the fact that I couldn't be bothered learning how to do the spoiler thing.

Anyway, (not sure what's already been said in the other thread) I have to say that Episode 18 (the 2nd last one) was the best one for a very long time. And then they go and have the following episode be absolutely crap. It had me screaming in frustration. What was the main problem with the show the last 2 series, especially the last series? That's right - Kim's storyline with her running around getting into trouble. I thought that had been fixed this series, but no! There she goes again. You knew as soon as she left the building that something was going to happen to her. Keep her locked up! With as little clothing as possible of course:D

phreak

well at least she didn't get kidnapped and have it drag out for the rest of the series.

Mr E

Originally posted by Phreak
well at least she didn't get kidnapped and have it drag out for the rest of the series.

Yet...

DrEvil

Didn't think the last ep was crap, just that there was such a good ep before, it was hard to live up to.

The palmer story is getting good now with the vice pres back

Do any of you actually think the girl is really Jane Saunders or is it just a trap or misdirection setup by Saunders?

daveyjoe

What's all of your views on day 3 as a whole, most people seem to prefer day 2 but personally I'm really enjoying this season. Also don't know if ye all know but 24 has just been confirmed for a fourth season.

I Like the twists and the way characters are actually dieing in this series (Chapelle, Guyell, Nina Myers, the Salazars and probably Michelle Dessler too). I know I Spelled all of their names wrong but you get the point.

ElNino

I wonder if the producers are trying to cut the wages bill for day 4 by having Jack murder Nina and Chapelle? Who is next? Michelle's future is not looking too good either.

ixoy

I'm going out on a limb here and saying Palmer's days are numbered, in some form. The "main event" is something related to his powers of president - maybe he'll be forced to resign by Saunders, or maybe even die. This makes some sense because it destabilises the US administration and allows Saunders revenge for Palmer sending him into Kosovo.

DrEvil

In response to daveyjoe I can't judge the season till it's finished. Who knows what they could do with the last few episodes. Anything could happen that would change our perception of the day as a whole. Prime example is finding out about Nina at the end of day 1.

Overall i've enjoyed this season and think that it's just as good as the two before one thing I like this season is that I think they've left it open or possible for nearly every main character to be a mole or misguided in some way. If you rewatch the episodes you really notice it.

P.S i think u only spelled Gael wrong

ixoy

I agree with DrEvil - I'm enjoying this season because there's a real sense of not knowing the fate of everyone. Every week, since Episode 16 began, I've expected the clock ticker to end on blood dripping from Michelle's nose. And I'm still worried that Palmer won't make it...
The first half of the season was okay but I felt the middle half was the weakest of all the seasons. However, the season has really picked up since they released the virus. But please - don't let Kim out of the office. She's already been taken hostage twice in this season alone - enough is ENOUGH (and yeah, I count the Gael situation as a hostage one).

DrEvil

i think the writers put some of the Kim parts in this season as a joke. Everyone was expecting Kim to being kidnapped or doing something stupid so they put it in. What was your reaction when she kidnapped by gael? Then she was babysitting again and the whole blatent irony of her telling chloe how kidnapping is wrong when she has both been kidnapped and done it herself with the little girl(forgot her name) last season.

daveyjoe

Originally posted by DrEvil
P.S i think u only spelled Gael wrong

Yeah, I knew I spelled it wrong, but I couldn't be bothered looking up the spelling.

I have a question... will there be a break in airing of the shows on Network 2 in the same way there was in America?

daveirl

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daveyjoe

Originally posted by daveirl
I doubt it, a load of American shows take a Winter break without there being one when they are shown over here.

Well Friends (oh how I hate that show) took a break in Ireland aswell, I think that the problem with 24 was that Keifer Sutherland (Jack) got himself in a bar brawl or something and they had to stop filming for a few weeks.

DrEvil

I'm sure they were gonna stop for four weeks anyway the bar brawl thing was just an excuse which was passed around the net cause most shows in the US take a break in order time showing the episodes during the 'Sweeps'.

As for the friends taking a break on net2 i think that they were only a week behind the US so when there was a break in the US net2 had no choice but to stop showing it.

doh.ie

Dr Evil is right - all US shows take regular breaks outside of the 'sweeps' months (November, February and May) - the bar brawl was just a coincidence and they covered up any scarring with make-up.

Enterprise has only just come back after almost seven weeks off air and other shows like Everwood and Joan of Arcadia have had breaks as long, if not longer, than 24 - each are on different networks to Fox.

As for 24 now heading towards the end, if Saunders doesn't yet force Palmer to resign, the result of his asking Jack to kill Ryan Chapelle will prove his undoing. Based purely on the reactions of his cabinet (good to see Alan Dale again on this show - he is in tons of others these days! OC, NCIS...), this decision will haunt him.

Couldn't CTU have found a way to "fake" Ryan's body? (I'm sure I've seen fingerprints faked on TV shows before...)

And finally, good to see Kim almost put her life in danger again! She must have missed the adrenaline rush...

daveyjoe

Originally posted by doh.ie
Couldn't CTU have found a way to "fake" Ryan's body? (I'm sure I've seen fingerprints faked on TV shows before...)

Yeah but didn't saunders give Palmer only an hour or so to have Chapelles body delivered, to have his entire body faked in that period of time is a pretty tall order even for Jack & Co.

pickarooney

It was kind of freaky to see Chapelle 'rise' again the next day as Fr. Intintolla in The Sopranos
I still don't understand the Saunders/Plamer/Kosovo thing, does anyone care to explain? This was before series one when Palmer was still a senator and Saunders was presumably in the British Army.

doh.ie

Daveyjoe wrote:
"Yeah but didn't saunders give Palmer only an hour or so to have Chapelles body delivered, to have his entire body faked in that period of time is a pretty tall order even for Jack & Co."

OK, fair enough, but it's not like they even tried to come up with an alternative to actually killing him. Every character involved in that plot anguished`and sweated about it rather than even suggest any other idea rather than kill him. It just seems to me that if they'd asked Palmer to kill the Vice-President or Wayne, he might have tried a bit *harder* not to do it! Maybe it's just me, but either poor dialogue or acting
suggested to me Palmer didn't try hard enough to prevent Chapelle's death.

Pickarooney wrote:
"I still don't understand the Saunders/Plamer/Kosovo thing, does anyone care to explain? This was before series one when Palmer was still a senator and Saunders was presumably in the British Army."

As for the Kosovo thing, here's my attempt to explain what I think is going on. (Anyone, feel free to correct me...)

Way back when, Palmer worked on a Senate Appropriations committee. He authorised a covert mission called Operation Nightfall, involving Jack and Saunders from 'British Intelligence' (presumably MI5 or 6).

The mission was to kill Victor Drazen; he'd committed attrocities in Kosovo. Season 1's day was the two-year anniversary of that mission. Jack, Saunders and the rest of the team were supposed to kill Victor Drazen (they failed - he turned up in s1, played by Dennis Hopper) - instead Victor's wife and daughter were accidentally killed.

It seems that after this botched assassination attempted, not only did Drazen survive, but also Saunders (who Jack believed had died in the attempt). Saunders was taken hostage and tortured, and something must have happened during that time which caused him to turn against not only the UK government but also the US government, seeing as he's now targetting not just Palmer, but the entire country.

I presume his motives will become clearer as we move towards the end. I'm sure the Kosovan torture was severe, but there hasn't been any clearer connection (as yet) as to why he's so against the US...

daveyjoe

Originally posted by doh.ie
OK, fair enough, but it's not like they even tried to come up with an alternative to actually killing him. Every character involved in that plot anguished`and sweated about it rather than even suggest any other idea rather than kill him. It just seems to me that if they'd asked Palmer to kill the Vice-President or Wayne, he might have tried a bit *harder* not to do it! Maybe it's just me, but either poor dialogue or acting
suggested to me Palmer didn't try hard enough to prevent Chapelle's death.

I don't think that there was an alternative, if the body be faked (which to me seems impossible to do within an hour, remember that CTU couldn't even get a wig with the same colour hair as Saunders daughter for Kim), The president would have to order the killing of someone else (who had a similiar build as Chapelle) so that they could act as his dummy, They would have to re-engineer that persons physical characteristics, and would have to transfer Chapelles fingerprint, and even then how would they know that Saunders didn't have a sample of Chapelles DNA.

I can only see two options that Palmer had, Kill Chapelle or let the virus be released.

doh.ie

Daveyjoe --

OK, I accept it was pretty impossible to have faked Ryan's body with a double given the time allowed. I was going to suggest a drug which would simulate symptoms of death, but to be fair, they were going to put a bullet or ten in him anyway if there was any doubt. There wasn't even a discussion on ways around it though, to show they had at least considered an alternative...

What I think I had a problem with is the ease at which Palmer was seen to organise it. The very least Chapelle could have had was, maybe, a call from the President saying this was potentially going to happen.

It was odd for someone in such a high position to be disposed of without (it seemed to me) any due respect to his level of authority.

ElNino

I just saw 320. Nice twist at the end with Michelle being kidnapped intead of Kim. Although it is still looking like Kim is going to be held hostage for the third time in 24 hours. I can't believe that they sent Kim abd Saunder's daughter back to CTU in a single unescorted car. Surely thet could have got another chopper?

lynchie

Originally posted by ElNino
I just saw 320. Nice twist at the end with Michelle being kidnapped intead of Kim. Although it is still looking like Kim is going to be held hostage for the third time in 24 hours. I can't believe that they sent Kim abd Saunder's daughter back to CTU in a single unescorted car. Surely thet could have got another chopper?

Yeah was better than having kim kidnapped although was a little disappointed that saunders got away so easy. Im sure Jack wont be too happy about it when he finds out. Would love to know how he got his hands on michelle, considering she was being sent back to nhs for observation. Roll on next epsidode, only 4 remaining...

DrEvil

Would love to know how he got his hands on michelle

Do you remember we saw michelle getting into to the white van where she probably thought or was told it was a NHS van. More than likely there's been somebody watching the Hotel since the virus was released and once the CTU agents turned up they either posed as a fake CTU or NHS person. And throughout the past few hours they've been keeping tabs on michelle and probably told her that she had to leave with NHS. Maybe either Nicole or Sunny from NHS are moles?


A good episode and I completely fell for the misdirection about the Kidnapping. I honestly thought Kim was gona be used as ransom against Jack after he used Jane against Saunders.

I liked the goings on with Chloe/Adam. With each further episode it looks like one of them has got to be a mole. Being 24 though this is probably another misdirection so as to take focus off the real mole!

Also lmao at the line by tony "Chloe, I'm getting real tired of your personality."

doh.ie

Dr Evil: Also lmao at the line by tony "Chloe, I'm getting real tired of your personality."

Hilarious... Her entire contribution in the show from the start of the season has been this wonky pouty face, a series of objections and interruptions whenever anyone (particularly Jack, for some reason!) asks her to do anything and this kind of deer-in-headlights panicked look while she's working.

In other words, she's a classic. I never tire of her crapness...

radiospan

Check out www.sylviaimports.com (the website Saunders told Palmer to submit the list of foreign operatives).

ixoy

Heh - I completely fell for the misdirection as well! I was watching it thinking "Oh for f*ck's sake, Kim's going to get kidnapped again!" Glad to be disappointed
Some nice tension again, but I've just realised I have one big big problem with the new storyline of Saunder's daughter. He'll protect his daughter at any costs, right? Yet then why does he leave her in a city where he's planned to unleash a virus! Hmm? Besides allowing CTU to find her, it doesn't make sense. For that matter Saunders should have conducted the operation away from CTU...

CivilServant

hehe, nice one

Just watched ep20, thought it was boring for the first 20 mins and then picked up to the climatic last 5 mins. To be expected though, gets me everytime. Looking forward to ep21

Raoul Duke

Who thinks that Michelle might actually be infected but to get her to be used as a hostage she was made to believe she was allclear.

Also, shouldn't they know that the most dangerous way to send Saunders daughter back to CTU was with Kim :rolleyes: There's bound to be trouble wherever she goes.

As to Saunders putting his daughter in danger by releasing the virus in the same city as she is....he may have an antidote. All members of the team watching her may be carrying one. But they'd have found one on the guy who died last week if that was the case I suppose. Who knows?

daveyjoe

Originally posted by Raoul Duke
Who thinks that Michelle might actually be infected but to get her to be used as a hostage she was made to believe she was allclear.

As to Saunders putting his daughter in danger by releasing the virus in the same city as she is....he may have an antidote. All members of the team watching her may be carrying one. But they'd have found one on the guy who died last week if that was the case I suppose. Who knows?

Interesting stuff, I never thought that the letter might have been a fake, that sounds like a good twist to the story whether the 24 writers have decided to use it or not.

I was really peeved off when Michelle tests came bback negative, I really wasn't expecting it, but the storyline is hotting up now with her capture.

Roll on ep 21.

Ajos

Oh, Tony Tony Tony...

You just know Jack would have let Michelle die.

doh.ie

"As to Saunders putting his daughter in danger by releasing the virus in the same city as she is....he may have an antidote. All members of the team watching her may be carrying one."

That's exactly what I thought. It's the only explanation for leaving her in California.

Or maybe he didn't think it'd spread across the country that fast and he'd have time to have his people get her and meet him at some small airport.

For that matter, he's in LA himself - he'd want to be sure to get out before it became widespread.

What's the best he becomes infected himself by the end of the season? (Poetic justice?)

DrEvil

just watched ep 21.... only 3 more to go!!





i liked it alot.
- Tony was great and I loved all the suspense and the ways he tried to fool everyone.
- Thought chloe was good in that ep too.
- Liked the way there wasn't any twist or suprise at the end and it finished on the split screen.
- Sherry's back!!!! .... what's she up too why is she willing to go to jail and get rid of palmer?

DrEvil

also go to http://www.fox.com/24/24inside these's a webcast there which talks about 24 with carlos bernard(tony) and reiko aylesworth(michelle) it's good but only watch once you've seen episode 21!!

ixoy

Just finished 3x21. I actually didn't like the split screen finish DrEvil but each to their own.
What I DID like was:

* Tony's increasing desperation - wasn't that fun to watch? You could see him unravelling with the tension. I liked the way Jack asserted his authority and took no crap from him as well.
* I liked the way they still had me suspicious of Chloe (no longer) when we saw her reading a mail, whose content we didn't know.
* I was just bitching to myself last night about how completely pointless the earlier plot lines - the presidential debate, the Milligan storyline - were. Now I have to eat my own mental words as a (presumably refreshed from sleep) Sherry draws together the leftover story arcs. It's still looking like Palmer resigning by season end, as I predicted a few posts ago (albeit in a different manner).
* Saunders - marry me. Not because I think you look great but you're such a deliciously manipulative bastard. The way he just remains calm and orders everyone around, issuing his threats cooly. HAH!

Only 3 to go, but I'm enjoying '24' as it goes out. And that's as good as it gets.

phreak

Originally posted by DrEvil
- Sherry's back!!!! .... what's she up too why is she willing to go to jail and get rid of palmer?

shes not willing to go to jail. she said to the other guy(cant remember his name) that if he tried to use it against her she'd deny everything. its a bluff to get Palmer to resign.

adnans

that was a harsh episode. god damn it tony almedia. if you only told jack your woes, he could have come up with a plan that made it look like you escaped from CTU and caught saunders... but then again, he's such a clever bastard, he would have figured it out. same way they noticed chloe was triangulating their positions by checking the mobile phone call logs.

anyone else think Max is going to make an appearance some time soon?

(season two, last two episodes, Kingsley was talking to a guy named Max)




the season finale looks to be quite good.

adnans

Raoul Duke

Anyone else watch that "24 Inside" web thing? Guessing from what Michelle and Tony say (or at least the actors who portray them) I think they'll both survive this series. At least Michelle will. When asked about coming back for season 4 she said something like "you never know but here's hoping".

ElNino

Man that Sherry is some piece of work :eek: I think that at this stage Palmer will probably resign and confess to lying to the cops to ensure that Sherry goes down for murder.

DrEvil

"Anyone else watch that "24 Inside" web thing"


Ye i got that impression from reiko(michelle) that she survives and thinks that tony does also but carlos bernard(tony) wasn't giving much away. Remember he talked about them being really secrective this year with alternate endings and such maybe he's filmed a different one that reiko knows nothing about??


Next week they are interviewing Saunders!

CivilServant

Just watched ep21, twas tense the whole way through. Which was unusual.

Tony Almeida could stop the deaths of millions of people if he just sacrificed one more person, ie. Michelle. The president had to see to Chappelle and just when Jack almost got his man, Tony is "forced" to choose. He chooses personal reasons above the safety of the nation and world at large. Obviously it's a damn tough decision to make but ur part of CTU!! I wonder how Jack would act in a similar situation with Kim....

DrEvil

If it was kim I think jack would do the same thing

daveyjoe

I dunno but I think that Tony has some kind of plan, because I can't believe that Tony would potentially sacrifice the life of millions.
Anyhow we'll find out tomorrow I guess.

ixoy

I reckon he's some backup plan too - such as an embedded tracker within Saunder's daughter. As you say, some of us will know on Wednesday

pickarooney

Is Jane really Saunders' daughter? Besides the fact that he must have been about 12 when he sired her, wouldn't it be a nice red herring to distract CTU while he goes about his business?

Raoul Duke

Well the latest episode was a mixed bag in my opinion. Had it's usual quota of tense moments but also more than the usual share of idiocy.

Idiotic moments as per myself:

Jane Saunders suddenly gets very clever and intuitive...why the hell would she doubt what Tony was telling her?
Saunders was allowed a handy escape route in order to allow Jack to give chase.
The nosy one in CTU was over the top with her nosyness tonight.
Why did Jack stand longside Tony at the payphone? Did the thought of someone actually looking on cross his mind at all?

There were one or 2 more but I've forgotten them.

DrEvil

Just watched it and thought it was very good!

Lots of both action and story!
- jack and tony scenes were great. Jack catching up with tony and at the payphone with tony daring to mention terri!!
- all the stuff with the president, sherri and keeler! Now wayne's going after sherri!!
- the exchange scene then all the action after!! There were F18s !!!!!!!!!!
- Saunders is caught

ixoy

Just watched it. Really enjoyed it - Sherry is the ultimate Bitch Queen. Long may she rule
I also enjoyed the Jack and Tony scenes especially Tony saying he wasn't prepared to sacrifice his wife *ouch*
As to why Jane Saunders would doubt Tony - that was made clear by a few things: i) No security guards leaving CTU (when she would have seen loads on her arrival), ii) Tony's terse phone conversations iii) Tony's shifty attitude while driving. Felt it was thoroughly believable and just because she looks like Kim doesn't make her as stupid as Kim....
And Chloe was her normal nosiness - no worse than normal...
I agree re: Jack and the payphone though. Saunders has been incredibly diligent so far, so you'd think he'd have checked up on this.

Next week will be interesting though: How much leverage does Saunders have? Does he have the viruses on a timed release (e.g.: if he's not there to key in a code every six hours, do they go of??)? And will Palmer have to resign (I hope so, if only because it'd make me correct...).

ElNino

Great episode, full of action.

I thought Saunders should have copped Michelle running back from the direction of the gate and he definitely would have had somebody waching the payphone.

Also that Chloe is one nosy b*tch.

I am really looking forward to the last 2 episodes.

lynchie

Good episode again.

Nice to have 2 F18s on standby when your stuck! Thought saunders was quite near to the chopper before it exploded, thought he'd be killed too.

Not sure whats gonna happen to Sheri, but I hope she's killed off.
Too lazy to check but the bloke with Wayne, is that ur man from series 2, that was interogating the ex-nsa bloke?

radiospan

Originally posted by lynchie
Too lazy to check but the bloke with Wayne, is that ur man from series 2, that was interogating the ex-nsa bloke?

I thought I recognised him from Season One, but no, he's never been in 24 before.