PSI Powers

MeatProduct

Dear All,

Some of my more recent reading has been in the area of human potential. Naturally enough this covered psychic ability as well as ESP and PK (psychokinesis).

Two books I can recommend for this are:

"Handbook of PSI Discoveries" : ISBN 0 349 12669 0
"PSI Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain" : ISBN: 0 349 12667 4

Both by: Sheila Ostrander & Lynn Schroeder

After reading these books inparticular, I was left in no doubt that humans have the potential for psychic ability. It is possible for you and me to become psychic once one devots enough time every day to developing the mind through psychic training.

I wonder if anyone here has any psychic ability, if so I would love to hear about it.

Nick

stormkeeper

I suppose I could count myself in as boarderline...

MeatProduct

Originally posted by Kennett
I suppose I could count myself in as boarderline...

Hello Kennett,
Perhaps you should try to develop you talents, what do you think? See where you can take them. I'm sure, with practice, you could become very proficient.

Nick

stormkeeper

I was thinking something similar, but my concentration is quite lacking, lol.

That's quite a major problem of mine, and why I haven't persued it further...

MeatProduct

Originally posted by Kennett
I was thinking something similar, but my concentration is quite lacking, lol.

That's quite a major problem of mine, and why I haven't persued it further...

I certainly know what that's like. Yoga certainly helped me out there, I would recommend Hatha yoga, PM me for book suggestions if you like, I have the most marvelous yoga that you could borrow (it's out of print).
Failing that I think meditation might help but it's not easy. Perhaps take up Tai Chi?

Nick

stormkeeper

I'll be sure to PM you for book suggestions. Thanks for the offer

Hmm... I'd take up Tai Chi, but I'm not sure where it is being done in relation to where I live, lol

Bekka

Originally posted by Kennett
I'll be sure to PM you for book suggestions. Thanks for the offer

Hmm... I'd take up Tai Chi, but I'm not sure where it is being done in relation to where I live, lol

It doesn't have to "be done" somewhere. Just start it yourself. Get good books!

Bekka

MeatProduct

Originally posted by Bekka
It doesn't have to "be done" somewhere. Just start it yourself. Get good books!

Bekka

Books are a start but I would certainly recommend taking classes in Tai Chi from a master. It's much harder to get motivated from a book. There will be a Ling Chi course starting in Carlow in October.

Nick

Bekka

Originally posted by MeatProduct
I certainly know what that's like. Yoga certainly helped me out there, I would recommend Hatha yoga, PM me for book suggestions if you like, I have the most marvelous yoga that you could borrow (it's out of print).
Failing that I think meditation might help but it's not easy. Perhaps take up Tai Chi?

Nick

I don't think Hatha Yoga is specifically good for developing ypur psychic abilities. Raja Yoga is more suitable, especially for our time.


Bekka

MeatProduct

Originally posted by Bekka
I don't think Hatha Yoga is specifically good for developing ypur psychic abilities. Raja Yoga is more suitable, especially for our time.


Bekka

Couldn't agree more but Hatha yoga will help his concentration and motivation. Raja yoga is not easy for the beginner.

Nick

Bekka

Originally posted by MeatProduct
Couldn't agree more but Hatha yoga will help his concentration and motivation. Raja yoga is not easy for the beginner.

Nick

Yes, maybe it's better for the beginner. For how long are you praticing yoga, Meat?

Bekka

MeatProduct

Originally posted by Bekka
Yes, maybe it's better for the beginner. For how long are you praticing yoga, Meat?

Bekka

I started when I as 15 when I found an old yoga book that my mother bought a long time ago. I've been doing it on and off for about 9 years now.

Do you practice Hatha yoga? I would like to do more Raja yoga but I don't feel I fully ready for it yet.

Nick

Bekka

I do practice hatha yoga, not Raja yoga yet, I'll have to get more informed about it first. I do meditation too, it's fun.

Bekka

MeatProduct

Originally posted by Bekka
I do practice hatha yoga, not Raja yoga yet, I'll have to get more informed about it first. I do meditation too, it's fun.

Bekka

I'll need to get a book on Raja yoga. I have a book on Gnani yoga but I have'nt read it yet.
We better get back on topic;)

Have you had any psi experiences Bekka? Pk and the like?

Nick

Bekka

I would say Iam psychic but i don't want to talk about details here. all I'm saying is that it's perfectly normal.

Bekka

stormkeeper

Would Psi powers include picking up 'vibes' from certain items/places/images etc?

DrColossus

tis weird, there's a whole section of second phycology dedicated to PSI. it must have some merit.
i myself believe that humans have the power to communicate telepathically but it defys science, the mind boggles!

ThrAx

Check out this link: http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/experiments/

Retropsychokinesis is the claimed ability of certain subjects to alter random data generated, but not examined, prior to the time the data are presented to the subject. Crazy, you say! Well, there's certainly no mechanism in mainstream physics which could permit such an effect, yet experiments conducted by a number of different researchers over the last 20 years suggest, compellingly according to some analyses, that the probability of the results obtained in such experiments being purely the result of chance is sufficiently low that they would be considered evidence of a causal mechanism in most scientific disciplines.

This is quite cool. I did the bell curve test and managed to get the line off the chart!

Hobbes

I hearby nominate myself for devils advocate for this forum.

So if you are psychic I will be projecting an image for the next couple of hours. An object in front of me. Feel free to describe.

stormkeeper

Knowing you, it's something wierd.... :P

Seriously though, all I'm getting is the word "egg", it may not be the object, but it may have some relation to it... Then again, it could be becaus eI haven't had breakfast and am functioning on under 5 hours sleep, so I dunno...

Hobbes

hard luck. it was a bottle of still water from ballygowan.

stormkeeper

Meh, I was sick... lol

bug

Originally posted by Hobbes
I hearby nominate myself for devils advocate for this forum.

no you wont, because as it says in the charter this forum is for believers, so take it to skeptics, or just dont post..
and before you say it, no, I have no sense of humour.
this forum is getting way too spammy

Hobbes

Originally posted by bug
no you wont, because as it says in the charter this forum is for believers, so take it to skeptics, or just dont post..

Who said I didn't believe?

I don't plan to disprove, more give people a chance to prove.

bug

Originally posted by Hobbes
Who said I didn't believe?

I don't plan to disprove, more give people a chance to prove.

The definition of the paranormal is phenomenon that are beyond scientic explanation. No-one has to prove anything. This forum is for believers to discuss paranormal phenomena- as it says in the charter. They can present links and other documents to discuss. Scientific explanations are welcome of course, but not to debunk the original poster, just to present another side, but this is not skeptics and that is the fundamental difference between the forums just to be clear, and I think we are coming from the same viewpoint.
Being the devils advocate implies that you are going to disagree for arguments sake which isnt the purpose of this forum, thats all.

Hobbes

Originally posted by bug
The definition of the paranormal is phenomenon that are beyond scientic explanation.

Doesn't mean it is beyond explanation (which for the most part I'll ignore), but certainly doesn't mean it is beyond showing it if they have it? They certainly don't have to prove it (by ignoring the post).

Dave

How is this forum getting too spammy? There are about 12 topics in total in the whole forum.

bug

Hobbes if you would like to talk about this please PM me (I have even cleared out my Inbox specially), dave I was referring to spammy posts.

back on topic PSI powers...

keu

in response to original post. I believe we all have innate abilities and as many have mentioned it's just a matter of development.
I find in Ireland though, metaphysics and witchcraft get very muddled up.
Cognetive sciences is a respected area of study in many other countries, particularly in the states.

http://lfr.org/csl/

might give you some idea of how these abilities are applied in a practical manner.

best wishes

SantaHoe

Nothing wrong with the Mulder and Skully approach is there?
Would be pretty dull if we all agreed on everything.
I say merge the Paranormal board with Skeptics and watch the sparks fly

BEAT

I have had certain abilities since I was a small child, they grew and are uncontrollable still but I have learned that it has been passed down from my mothers side...my mom, grandma, aunt and possibly generations before have had our abilities. Though they have been different for each of us...some shared but mine have been the strongest and most developed. I have been learning to tune into them more these past few years and have been able to do remarkable things...quite unbelieveable things actually.

I shared this information before but it hasnt been taken seriously so I do not share so freely anymore.

I am a believer because of experience, but many are non-believers because of non-experience. You cant make someone believe or understand...you can only let them think what they will and continue to live the truth.

BEAT

one quick story i will share before i go to bed...my most recent experience (as i call them)
Saturday night I went to my friends pub. I was sitting alone as usual and this man walks up to the stool next to mine to order a drink and while waiting for the bartender he stares at me...I was not looking at him I was stareing straight ahead and saw him watching me. As this was happening I had a clear vision of him beating the woman he was with in a drunken stooper.

He walked away and my friend the bar owner sits down, i ask her about the man, she tells me they came in to the bar 2 weeks ago and she was beaten up, bruised. and found out the man beat her up one night after they had been out drinking.

I have these visions on many occasions, its scary sometimes...I see things I dont want to see and know things about people I shouldnt know...incriminating things sometimes.

My visions happen in my dreams as well, but usually fortell of the furture...events playing out exactly as I had seen them



will share more if anyone is interested.

Stark

Can someone post info on Hatha, Raja yoga? Would PM someone, but not sure who to PM with regards to each. Had a few experiences as a kid, once tracked down the location of a buried body. Didn't dig it up or anything, but told my friends I sensed someone buried in the ground beneath my feet. A few weeks later gardai uncovered the body in that exact location while searching the forest. In a different area of that same forest, I once felt a powerful urge to drag my parents into a specific part of it, there we found some guy trapped in an overturned car. Used to always get weird vibes off that place, and used always feel more alert/in tune after playing there.

In recent years, have had a few "preminition" dreams. Sometimes I just "know" things. Tried meditation and that seemed to improve my ability to sense things, but not signifigantly. I've noticed I can't seem to conciously control when I sense something it just happens. I also notice my heart seems to jump and my thoughts suddenly become locked in loop several seconds before it happens. That's how I usually distinguish an actual experience from just coincidence/chance. Like the other week I was walking through the shopping centre, and my thoughts became locked thinking about accidentally bumping into a familiar person, then they became locked on a specific point at the top of an escalator. On arriving at that point, my heart rate started to increase and then I heard someone call my name when I reached it. (and in case you're wondering the ending, yes it was someone I knew calling me ).

By the way, has anyone noticed a very strong vibe off Farran Woods in Cork?

MeatProduct

Stark, I've been practicing Hatha yoga for a good long time now so please do pm me if you would like to discuss that topic. Since you are already somewhat psychically aware I could recommend lucid dreaming and astral projection, I can point you in the right direction for learning more.

Best Regards,

Nick

PS: I'm in Cork so I'll check out those woods, funnily enough I was thinking of visiting them last week.

stormkeeper

Wierd coincidences.... Gotta love 'em

Saruman

I dont beleive in most of this stuff... However i do seem to see things happen before they do sometimes. Most recently i woke up one morning and for some reason i knocked everything down i touched. Toothpaste, eye drops etc.. i was VERY clumsy.. i go out to the car and a neighbours cat is there. Its black and white.. i love cats so i go pet the kitty for a few mins.. Then i think i hope she goes soon i dont want to knock her down and i had this image of me hitting a dark cat. Anyway she wanders off home so i get in the car and a few mins later a black cat runs in front of me. Im glad i have good reflexes i missed the cat. Anyway i took a deep breath and went on reminding myself that i dont believe in crap like this.

Also a few months back i was driving to a site to fix a computer. There was a garda on beat. He was actually a fair bit away from my destination but i had this image of me parking my car and getting a ticket.. anyway i was only going in for a few mins dropping off a PC, i come out and there is a bloody ticket on my windscreen.

Years ago when i was a learner driver.. you know the N4 past Chapelizod near a foot bridge and just before Ballyfermot exit? Sometimes Police have speed traps there.. anyway one morning i was speeding.. its 50 i was doing over 60.. i just knew there was going to be a speed trap.. i did not listen to myself and got clocked doing 67. I did not speed again for years and never there at that point even now.

I know there are other times too. My mom gets the odd one too. Like when i was a kid and my brother was still in a pram (i would have been 3 or 4). We were in Bewlies in Henry street and she was in the toilet, they were upstairs if you remember. Anyway she just had this image of me pushing my brother down the stairs She ran out and got me just in time lol I was not trying to kill him as far as i know just bring him for a walk down the stairs but i doubt i would have been strong enough to hold the weight down the stairs

Make of this what you will, i can dismiss it as Probability. Everything i listed when you think about it had a very high probability of happening and i just thought of it before it happened.

keu

I really don't think there is anything supernatural about the supernatural. In fact it's quite natural, just outside the current definitions of what can be classified as normal percetion. Our current perceptions are defined by current physics, but physics is not definitve in itself, it doesn't provide us with all the answers yet. We have limited knowledge of the complexity of the brain and the anomoly that is the mind. Nothing is clear cut...no matter what anybody might like to tell you.
...I suppose if we look at what really matters, in any area of life, people really only believe what they want to know to be true. (I know is really I believe with delusions of grandeur)..
There is a hell of a lot more information to proove the existance of, than there is to deny psi related ability. (trusting your intuition) some people just appreciate the qualities of probability and coincidence in an aesthic sense and others are more mechanically minded and don't place any value in these areas.
Unless they're looking for the winner in the 4.00 at epsom.

People like James randi offer a million dollars to anyone who can provide proof of these abilities, but his conditions are made to suit his own requirements and can never be accomplished because of the limits he imposes. (everything within certain parametres) james randi could have a clear concise reading, but as it wouldn't fall under his lines of what is definitive evidence, it goes without any regard for the facts he may have just recieved.
ie:James your wearing your grandfathers underpants during this reading...right?
James: yes..but you could have gathered that information by noting a visible panty line, which does not look like a contemporary pair and deduced they were incompatible with what a man like myself might wear and figured I must have put on my grandfathers old pair that had been lying in my drawer because I had run out of clean ones this morning.
..and reduce this information to what is referred to as cold reading. (chancing your arm)
I'm sure much of what we consider psi related could well be interpreted as probability, coincidence or synchronicity, I'm not arguing that point at all in fact this is exactly what psi is..its just trusting those laws to produce outcomes, which evidently turn out to be correct....nothing supernatural about that.
(Unless your horse who was a complete outsider comes in at 50-1 in the 4.00 at epsom, because all the other horses fell over at the starting line)
But it makes for good tv.
Derren Browne. 10.30, monday night C4..live seance.

Chinafoot

i also think its an innate thing with humans. i mean almost everyone could give one example where something like that happened to them. witrh me its just little things. like yesterday i was stocking one of the shelves in work and i started humming "we didnt start the fire" by billy joel and then almost straight away it came on the radio. this happens quite often. i dont think im in anyway psychic, i just think that everyone can do it and some are more in tune with it than others.

keu

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