anyone over iol CAP this month?

kida

Just realised I have gone to 16.5GB and wondering will I be cut off. Has any gone over yet? I know with 8GB there was a little leeway.

Xcellor

I am only 12 GB :S

Hmm I thought you would be cut off already!! haha they were supposed to be very strict with the new limits.. although maybe that only applies to those on lower package...

Do keep us informed... Interesting to see if they really do cut people off... maybe the last couple of day of the month you could leave it downloading... and see how far you can get *grins evily*


Anyone have any suggestions what to use the remaining 4 gigs I have on? I still have a few days to download...

X

kida

will let all know when I get home - didn't realise I was even close and hadn't been checking until today.

dlofnep

Originally posted by Xcellor


Anyone have any suggestions what to use the remaining 4 gigs I have on? I still have a few days to download...

X

Divx.

Richard Dower

So you download just for the sake of downloading? :rolleyes:
Talk about tryna get your moneys worth.

Richard Dower

Used this month, 2.12GB. I won't be sitting at the PC just to try get my 16GB.

napalm@night

du meter records 18.89gig! must fix my iol meter all the same sometimes i wonder how its possible to download so much!;)

Richard Dower

I'll report you to IOL for abuse!

tuxy

Originally posted by Richard Dower
Used this month, 2.12GB. I won't be sitting at the PC just to try get my 16GB.

the idea with broadband is to start a realy big download at night or before you go to work then its there when you get back to your pc
why would anyone sit about watching it download ?
i have 30 gb down this month with eircom good thing they dont enforce caps
on my last bill there was a note saying eircom will contact customers in a while just beofre they start enforcing caps

Richard Dower

Maybe this could explain possible contention issues people are having?

Gonzo

Originally posted by tuxx
the idea with broadband is to start a realy big download at night or before you go to work then its there when you get back to your pc
why would anyone sit about watching it download ?
i have 30 gb down this month with eircom good thing they dont enforce caps
on my last bill there was a note saying eircom will contact customers in a while just beofre they start enforcing caps

tuxx are you saying its ok for me to break the cap for this month? im at 7gb with a new cap on thursday but theres about 3gb of stuff i want to download, is it safe for me to download it and go offer my cap by 2gb without being charged?

neokenzo

Originally posted by tuxx
i have 30 gb down this month with eircom good thing they dont enforce caps

Are you sure? I've already exceed my cap and on my dslstat page, its showing that excess cap will cost me €60. I really hope €ircom doesnt start to charge cap, at least not now

tuxy

well guys im not going to say im 100% sure its safe to dl as much as you want
but since i got dsl in january i have consistantly broke the cap on the dsl stats page by 10 gb or more and never been charged
eircom do not yet have a billing system in place to charge people for breaking caps

on my last bill it said they are working on it and will contact customers before it comes into place

since there are still no contention issues on the eircom network they are probably in no hurry

Gonzo

tuxx if eircom do charge this month you will be charged at least €673.20 for going 22gb over the cap, i cant even afford to take the risk of going 1gb over at around €30 per gig.

Gonzo

when eircom do properly inforce the caps and everythings official maybe they mite add an extra few gigs onto the download limit instead, wud be nice, that way less ppl wud go over the limit.

tuxy

Originally posted by Gonzo
tuxx if eircom do charge this month you will be charged at least €673.20 for going 22gb over the cap, i cant even afford to take the risk of going 1gb over at around €30 per gig.

but how are they going to charge me with no billing system in place
but ya it is a bit of a risk

im just making the most of my dsl before the billing system comes in

Mutant_Fruit

I've downloaded over 65 gigs so far this month, and uploaded 98 gigs. And i'm under no threat from cap's. I love IBB.

BTW, the max i can possibly upload/download in one month is about 140gigs, so i didn't do too badly this month .

tuxy

want a medal?

MrPinK

Someone did post about a week or two ago that the latest eircom bills contain a warning that they will soon begin charging people for excess usage.

tuxy

that was me

bk

Not to frighten anybody, but who says they need a billing system in place.

It would be very easy for them to put together a special team, list the 100 worst offenders off their DB and manually bill them. At e30 per Gig, it would be well worth their time.

tuxy

a question that people probably dont know as only eircom can answer is their method of tracking your data transfers accurate enough to use for billing purposes?

Ripwave

Originally posted by tuxx
a question that people probably dont know as only eircom can answer is their method of tracking your data transfers accurate enough to use for billing purposes?

That depends entirely on who decides whether it's "accurate enough". Unless there's some international standard that they have to follow, I think eircom probably get to decide if it's "accurate enough".

Which means you're screwed :-)

Seriously, though, the system might not be "good enough" to automate billing for thousands of customers, but it's "good enough" to manually bill the worst over users of the system. Even if they gave you "the benefit of the doubt" by only charging you for half of the excess, it could still be a painful bill. But given that they've actually given a "first warning" and said that they'll give a second warning before actually biting, I think you're probably okay for this month.

(This advice is worth exactly what you paid for it :-) If I'm wrong, it's still your bill!)

tuxy

ya i realise im taking a risk

Gonzo

the dslstats seem accurate enough to me, just that they are a day behind always, all eircom really need to do is just look at them and work out whos gone over and by wot amount, and add the cap charge to the months bill. Eircom could turn around tomorrow or any other day and start billing from that day on, as much as I would love to completely blow that cap i just cant afford it even by 1gig.

kida

ok back on topic - coul connect ok last night and downloaded another 150mb - interesting to see can if I can get on tonight.

neokenzo

Originally posted by kida
ok back on topic

LOL sorry about that

Richard Dower

Originally posted by tuxx
well guys im not going to say im 100% sure its safe to dl as much as you want
but since i got dsl in january i have consistantly broke the cap on the dsl stats page by 10 gb or more and never been charged
eircom do not yet have a billing system in place to charge people for breaking caps

on my last bill it said they are working on it and will contact customers before it comes into place

since there are still no contention issues on the eircom network they are probably in no hurry

Right...i am gonna be taking details of people who openly admit to breaking the cap. This **** is messing up other people and their usage.

Gonzo

Originally posted by Richard Dower
Right...i am gonna be taking details of people who openly admit to breaking the cap. This **** is messing up other people and their usage.

first of all i have yet to break my cap and prolly wont, secondly some people have exceeded their caps but it has not messed anyone or cause any harm to the network, thirdly you obviously have very little to worry about if your even thinking of reporting people for going over the cap its their business not yours and finally eircom can judge for themselves by looking at the dslstats who has broken the cap and if they want to charge.

Richard Dower

And i also have a right to inform ISP's of users who openly admit to breaking the cap...in public and in writing.

If the ISP's are made aware and users get charged or kicked off 'till the end of the month then people will start to respect the caps and stick to the terms of the contract.

Caps are there for a reason, to ensure everyone gets a fair level of service and fair play for all. Netsource found out all too well what happens when caps are not in place.

10% of users account for 47% of bandwidth which messed things up for other more modest users.

kida

I can only hope is having a laugh. I mean if IOL get a letter from him saying that kida is over the limit are they really going to be bothered tracking down who this for a whole 650MB of data.

tuxy

Originally posted by Richard Dower
Right...i am gonna be taking details of people who openly admit to breaking the cap. This **** is messing up other people and their usage.

clearly a troll
im not even on the same isp as you dont you have anything better to do with your time than worry about how much im downloading?

please explain how my usage is affecting other people
the eircom network has no contension issues

Gerry

Surely people can break the cap, and pay per mb if thats what they want to do. What gives you the right to the moral high ground?

Richard Dower

Caps are caps, IOL most likely won't charge you for going over a few hundread megs. We're talking about people who constantly and KNOWINGLY break the cap each and every time.

Guys who take the piss and go over by Gigs, not the user who went over about 200 megs. It's the guys who deliberatly break the cap, and who are more then likely engaging in illegal activites and copyright theft, that need to be taught a lesson.

tuxy

Originally posted by Richard Dower
Caps are caps, IOL most likely won't charge you for going over a few hundread megs. We're talking about people who constantly and KNOWINGLY break the cap each and every time.

Guys who take the piss and go over by Gigs, not the user who went over about 200 megs. It's the guys who deliberatly break the cap, and who are more then likely engaging in illegal activites and copyright theft, that need to be taught a lesson.

excure me are you accusing me of illegal activites?

Richard Dower

Originally posted by tuxx
clearly a troll
im not even on the same isp as you dont you have anything better to do with your time than worry about how much im downloading?

please explain how my usage is affecting other people
the eircom network has no contension issues

It dosen't matter, if you are on the same exchange as me we're all bundled together. ISP's are not split up at the exchange, we're all thrown together until all 192/106 slots are full.

So an Eircom user and and IOL user can effect each other if an IOL user downloads 100 gigs a month. And if one is seen to get away with it another will try.

Soon well have everyone tryna get more then their fare share of the cake.

bizmark

Originally posted by Richard Dower
Caps are caps, IOL most likely won't charge you for going over a few hundread megs. We're talking about people who constantly and KNOWINGLY break the cap each and every time.

Guys who take the piss and go over by Gigs, not the user who went over about 200 megs. .

Then its up to IOL to enforce its rules not you .....Do not threaten the members of this board again

Anyway this is getting a tad off topic lads

Richard Dower

Originally posted by Gerry
Surely people can break the cap, and pay per mb if thats what they want to do. What gives you the right to the moral high ground?

People have already said they are breaking the cap in the hopes they will get away with it, course that won't be an issue now since Eircom and Esat have been emailed the link.

UTV monitor the NG already.

Richard Dower

Originally posted by tuxx
excure me are you accusing me of illegal activites?

Read what i said, i didn't imply anything toward you.

tuxy

Originally posted by Richard Dower


Soon well have everyone tryna get more then their fare share of the cake.

and this fair share is decided by you oh great one
and not by the isp's
you dont think i have the right to download extra at 3 cent a mb
is it my fault eircom have yet to start charging for this extra usage
if contension becomes a problem im sure they will

Richard Dower

Originally posted by bizmark
Then its up to IOL to enforce its rules not you .....Do not threaten the members of this board again

Anyway this is getting a tad off topic lads

I didn't threaten, i stated a fact...i have the right to highlight to ISP's what i have seen on a public forum.

neokenzo

Originally posted by Gerry
Surely people can break the cap, and pay per mb if thats what they want to do. What gives you the right to the moral high ground?

I agree.

Besides, Eircom never said I cant go over the cap. They say, if I do, I am liable to get charge. Now if Eircom says that they will cut off ppl for going over the cap then thats a different story.

tuxy

Originally posted by Richard Dower
course that won't be an issue now since Eircom and Esat have been emailed the link.

thank you for making the world a safer place

Iago

ok, to try and get this back on topic and before someones handbag gets broken!!


with the original IOL product I remember a few months were I went as high as 9Gb without being kicked off, so there's obviously some overhead built in there...

must be the same on the higher end product which would explain why you haven't been cut off yet, the bad news is who the hell knows what the overhead is set to?

you could be cut off already and not find out till you get home, or you might be lucky and get the last day and a half out of it...

Richard Dower

Originally posted by tuxx
and this fair share is decided by you oh great one
and not by the isp's
you dont think i have the right to download extra at 3 cent a mb
is it my fault eircom have yet to start charging for this extra usage
if contension becomes a problem im sure they will

No, the fair share has already been decided by the ISP's with a cap. 16 or 8GB is your fair share.

Go over that and pay for it, yes....but people stating they break the cap constantly in the hopes they get away with it is just wrong.

If you say this in writing and in public i think other users have the right to report them.

Richard Dower

Originally posted by Iago
ok, to try and get this back on topic and before someones handbag gets broken!!


with the original IOL product I remember a few months were I went as high as 9Gb without being kicked off, so there's obviously some overhead built in there...

must be the same on the higher end product which would explain why you haven't been cut off yet, the bad news is who the hell knows what the overhead is set to?

you could be cut off already and not find out till you get home, or you might be lucky and get the last day and a half out of it...

I don't think so, it's quite possible the software dosen't automatically flag up users who break the cap. It's possible someone manually checks stats every few weeks to see who is being downloading the most.

It could be a league table with a list of users with the highest downloads.

Iago

i doubt that's the case, there have been users here who were cut off after a few days, and there are any amount of posts of users who have been cut off at various stages during the month

also if there wasn't a software program sitting in the background how would they calculate what usage you have left to use in a given month? on the calculator it tells you how long have left until you go over your limit based on your current daily download average

if they can do it, i'd be very surprised if they didn't have a program in the background cutting people off as they go over the limit..

Richard Dower

That logic dosen't explain why folks who have broken the cap were not automatically cut off?

If that were the case, anyone who went over 16GB, even slightly, would be cut off.
I agree that software is calculating usage, but i don't think it automatically cuts people off.

I still suggest it's manually checked and a decision is taken for overall usage by that customer, they track usage and trends etc.

Then decide who needs a booty call.

Iago

I see your point, but that takes me back to my orginal theory, there is an overhead built into it.

They say that they'll cut you off at 16GB and if they did cut you off at exactly that point you could call up and say it's not fair, you didn't realise you were so close etc etc...

but if they say they'll cut you off at 16GB and actually allow you a bit of leeway, say 17 or 18GB then you can have no complaints, not only are you over the 16GB limit you've gone at least a gig over it, significant in anyone's book..

all they would have to do is set the program to do an automatic cutoff at 17 or whatever, makes more sense than having someone manually sift through user logs throughout the month, a lot of time and effort for something that could be written into a checker fairly quickly...IMO anyway

Richard Dower

I could live with that, everyone from time to time can and does go over a little. The usage meter only updates every 24 hours....so you don't have real time monitoring of usage.

So a litle overhead of a few hundread megs would be OK, but not gigs...

tuxy

you seem to think that iols recent poor performance is because of people abusing caps
iol cut people off for going over the cap
eircom dont care about people going over it
yet eircoms service has been perfect yet iols has been very poor
what does that say to you?



hint: one of the isp's has a network that is below par