Training, you need to put in the Hours

mr potato head

:dunno:

Phew... this has been an interesting read for the last few days.

1. This is not abuse aimed at anyone
2. I'm not insulting the mods

In the "bans" thread halenger was right in that there are 3 of us who shot @ schools level, that some of us had received coaching when we shot then, although this was helpful it was not by full time coaches, mine for example was mainly from my canoe coach (Renegade will vouch for that).... But this is not the reason we have come out on top this year.
Only yesterday we were discusing the lack of coaching available to the college scene on order to get us to the next level of shooting (international teams), and that goes 4 everyone not just DIT.

The 3 of us who shot @ schools level against one another (and 12 archers who have been shooting no more than a year and a half, most only started this year) push each other to shoot better with a healthy amount of abuse, fun and by introdusing regular competitions at training (shooting bottles dartboard faces etc...) amoung all the members of the club.

We have 6 or 7 shooters who practice 3 times a week and would shoot more if given the opportunity, thats 9 or so hours of practice (continuous shooting an collecting) not just with the college but with other clubs too.

The sin was right in saying that there was a general grumble against us, you can't deny it.... but you are easy to wind up and have proved that too
We havn,t complained up untill this week, lighten up enjoy a bit of slagging it fires up the competition.

We are more than willing to help/advise clubs new or old if they want to know more about how we run ours, as we are always interested in any ideas anyone else about how they train and Fund raise.

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We tend to train seriously alot which i think is the reason why we have such bad attendance at training this year(out 0f 60+ members we only have about 15 regualers). a bit more fun would help, we've have tried shooting balloons, the long thin ones are tricky to hit, and some novelty targets.

mr potato head

we improved alot from last year when we started having more of a laugh, in the process.... more regulars,
also more of a social scene attatched to the club helped.

Reku

Ahh yes, mobile phone archery, ohh the memories...

mr potato head

At comps we try to have a bit of a laugh, the more relaxed the better.
some here in DIT are almost horizontal they are so layed back... (you know who you are)

Reku

Another key point to consider so is the fact that those of us at DCU get two 2-hour training sessions/week whereas many of the rest of you get at least 3 such sessions, there's no hope of us squeezing another training session out of the DCU Clubs and Socs committee so I think maybe you should just quit trying to slag us off and instead ponder the little fact that we won medals both last year in the Dublin Derby and this year in Maynooth, does that make us look good or the rest of the clubs on the IV scene look slightly less impressive??? Think Keith's coaching us out of pity to be honest, thank God (or Dog if so inclined) for the help!
Have to say though that this year no-one can touch DIT, 2500+, that's an average of 500+ per archer, well done!

mhairesa

to be honest i dont think mr potato head was slagging you, he merley pointed out that (as ive discovered through 6 years of shooting) you preform better when you are more relaxed. even if you dont get that much coaching being tense never helps scores to go up.
if you're not getting enough training you could always find a club to shoot in- as many if the DIT lads have done- we (dublin Archers) train on wed and fri-7:30 ~ 10.
i know they are also your training nights too so if you've already got your bows why dont you come down?
sportslink train on mondays and blackheath train on tuesdays so there are plenty of times you can get a little more training and if you ask people in those clubs im almost positive they will give you a few coaching tips too. and domt forget the 1st time i went to visit the club at the beginning of the year i offered to coach you guys, or beginners to give you more time to train and you told me it was fine that you didnt want my coaching.
this is not an atack of any kind. and i know it might not be possible for you to start training more at this late stage of the IV year due to your exams but if you find a club during the summer to keep your training up you should see a real improvement in your next years IV scores!

Máire

Reku

Well to be honest my technique is too different for Keith to be able to do anything with so I don't particulaly care either way about coaching and as far as I'm concerned the only person an archer should really be competing against at any shoot is themselves, I'm just seeing a lot of negativity directed at DCU and Halenger when there's no need for it. Start putting people on the defensive and they'll overanalyse and find insult in everything.

The little remark about medals and training time wan't aimed at Mr. Potato head, his post was nothing more than a statement and so there's nothing to complain to him/her about, it was aimed at the various people who seem insistant on complaining about DCU's turnout and such.

mhairesa

i think halenger and the rest of you guys are being a little too oversensitive, i am the DCU person who gets all the abuse fron the DIT lads, they have come up with a fair few nicknames for me which they regularly use and you dont hear me complaining! its all a bit of harmless fun....
they arnt trying to offend you, they are only having a laugh. there is nothing vendictive about what they are saying and it shouldnt be taken up that way.
Máire

Reku

A nickname means nothing, I have a friend who calls me "Dumbass" and such, a name/nickname is nothing more than a designation so you know when someone is referring to you.
And playful slagging should remain as such, PLAYFUL, rather than whinging (not from you Máire) about us not being able to put in a good showing for GMIT.

mhairesa

the only reason they were "whinging" about the turnout of DCU was because it was the most evidant. there were also lots of others who didnt come either.

And im sure if you ask the DIT lads they do alot more than just call me names (physical abuse springs to mind!!!!!) but as ive said before its all a bit of fun
IV's are supposed to be more relaxed than IAAA shots anwyay!
Máire

Aryzel

dit has two strengths, first they have more experience than other teams, with Sinead, Ciaran ect. having shot before college, this advantage will decrease in time as other teams get older, most of the clubs are only 1/2 years old, its just what happens when a sport under goes revival.

dit's 2nd strength is their dedication, example Noel has only been shooting a year and a half now, but trains continiously, thats how he won the Best Male at UCD.


But notice, no team has being in the running two years in a row, UL and GMIT both fell well behind after they won, and UCD haven't seemed to realise that gold is better than silver :P

Dit should/might take it next year, but you never know...
My bet is actually on Carlow, they a little down this year as alot of them are now advanced, but give them another year and i'd say they could take anyone.

on the fuss thrown up in the last day or two, (at least the board is getting well used), university archery and the intervarsities are ment to be fun, and people enjoying themselves, while allowing people that want it to advance as archers.

This board is an extension of that, if university archery gets too serious, it will die, it has happened before, thankfully there doesn't seem to be much chance of it happening anytime soon, btw how on earth did ye split the bouncing ball in half in galway?

halenger

Let me explain my reasons for being "oversensitive"...

I moved to this board from another one where I suffered a very large amount of abuse in my role as Moderator which was entirely unpleasant. Coming on here last night and reading what I did gutted me entirely. It looked exactly like a repeat of what had happened before. And let me be clear it was not joking of any sort it was a long campaign of personal attacks against me. I'm sure you can understand that that's unpleasant.

I'm just as willing to have a laugh as the next person. I don't take kindly to insults from people I don't know. People I do get away with it because it's acceptable between friends.

Get to know me before the insults, k?

On another not in the last 3 nights of sleep (not last night-3 before that) I got a total of maybe 10 hours of sleep culminating with 2 hours of sleep before having to demo my project to lecturers etc etc. I was exhausted, stressed and just utterly wrecked.

I could've very well done without Baggin's attempt to have me removed for all my banning etc (which of course I wasn't even here for due to my project).

halenger

Originally posted by Aryzel
btw how on earth did ye split the bouncing ball in half in galway?

Gah! No fair. Anyone get a video of it?

Aryzel

hey, a bit of slagging for not showing up can be expected, its not serious, just a bit off fun. Maynooth have been attrocious this year, we had 5 at DIT/DCU but only beat UL by 30, when UL had 3 :P

I think its funny, if DCU had sent two ~300 point beginners, they would have bet us at GMIT.

halenger

Yeah I'll admit a bit of slagging of DCU's fair in that case alright but personal slags.

It'd be like be pointing at Ciaran and laughing and insulting him because he's not going to UL cause he has to sit his maths final the Tuesday afterwards.

Good luck in it by the way Ciaran.

Reku

Afraid that's one beginner more than we have that are willing to compete in any competitions! Ohh well, hopefully we'll replace the lost members from this year with some newbies next year.

Renegade_Archer

I dont know what the big stigmata is with being a former School archer - as Keith / Bolger / Sinead / Maire / whoever will tell you, mostly it was just putting in the work ourselves, it wasnt as if we constantly had coaches by our sides... preparations for the EuroNations were done mainly by the individual themselves, with maybe 1 or 2 coaching sessions before the event.

Basically, we put in the work, way back in the day. We have the experience, there was no magic coach that made us as good as we are.

Reku

Sure to be honest I think people put too much emphasis on the idea of coaching, after-all it can only take you as far as your own potential and as long as you keep a good technique you can get there by simply putting in the necessary hours.
But having Keith helping us does clearly give hope to the newer archers that they'll be able to improve alot with his help.

mr potato head

you make me feel old n feeble with the back in the day statement...
I'm not old am i.... i still have my hair.... well thats kinda true!

madrab 4 President

mhairesa

mr potato head you're a balding old scary guy!!!!!!!!!!!!;)

mr potato head

You do wonders 4 my confidence, little international ****..... you know the rest
its migrating to my chin! like my pic below

mhairesa

you wish you had that much hair.. on your chin/head!! and no way are you as goodlooking as he is!!

mr potato head

At least my ears are smaller than his...

mhairesa

just barley.... but you do have that uni brow thing goin on!ww)

halenger

My point really was Ewan that you weren't shooting badly before being selected for the Euronations. You had been thought how to do it properly.

People, well Baggins, has already stated I'm a pretty bad archer. It's hard to have a club when this pretty bad archer is your head coach. Though I would say my coaching skills are better then my shooting skills.

You do have to put the work in to get anywhere much. That's my problem lately. I've not been able to give the time so I'm not bowfit. I'm working on that now though...

mr potato head

Just like my archery give it time and it'll come along nicely
(just to keep this archery related)
By the way this is a good example of how to rip the piss outa a fellow archer...
You training this eve

mr potato head

Join a club and get a bit of training along side archers of a higher standard it's the only way to improve...

mhairesa

sick so its bed rest 4 the rest of the week. you'll have to try to go on without me, i know it'll be hard!!

See we're havin archery related fun, whats wrong wit that?

baggins

It seems Podge thinks i've launched some personal vendetta against him....

Dont worry, if i had, u'd probably already be dead by now.

As for my stating that you're not the best shooter in the country - dont take it to heart, my highest score to date is 404 on a 60cm face, so i really shouldnt have said a whole lot.

Ask anyone who knows me, or who has even spoken to me for any more than 20 minutes: they will all tell you that i dont give anyone any credit for anything.

Nothin personal, just let the hair down a little, so to speak..

:cool: stay cool

-baggins

Reku

Often the people who most enjoy belittling others just want to push the attention onto others for fear of just how people might perceive them if not quickly distracted.

trig

Man thats way too profound, just poke fun at his hobbit features and wicklow origins and laugh.......works for me

mr potato head

yep that works for me too... but after the afformentioned hobbit bashing i usually receive a kick up the arse, or slap across the back of the head... (including while in line for an ATM, people look at you strange when baggins runs up to you an hits you then runs away giggling to himself)
Abuse is baggins communication!!!
but he's harmless...

Blind man

yip i can bk dat up nd im sure as hell dat toxoff cud shed sum lite on the nature of our token hobbit aswell.

nt dat it relly matters to ne1 but i felt left out. is it me r has dis forum swelled phenomenouly as impostin this der are 11 browsers to this forum nd a huge amount of threads. so watever hapnd it can only b said dat it was gud.

u guys don,t have ne objections to me bein god do ya. (nd don't say nethin bout imp grand master)

Aryzel

It's hard to have a club when this pretty bad archer is your head coach.

Hey, look at UCD, they are easily the most consistent team in the intervarsities, GMIT was the first competition that they haven't won a team medal in 3 years. And entire team over that time has been coached by me, or in the last year by the people i coached previously, and i've been shooting at the 400 level for the last 4 years :P

Reku

Yet more proof towards my point that people probably put too much emphasis on coaching when, once you've been taught the basics, you're as well off just put in the required hours of practice if you want to improve.

trig

In my limited experience, I've found that coaching only works when backed up by large amounts of focused training. For instance, the sin might point out something that I'm doing wrong, suggest several ways for me to correct this problem and then I would put my time and energy into correcting the problem. The Sin will be keeping an eye on me from time to time, offer further suggestions and some encouragement. I don't expect, nor should I expect the problem to evaporate instantly.

In order for this to work, you need to have faith in your coach, put sufficient work in and think positively. Thats the way I've learned anyway. Its no use going to practice and just shooting arrows unless you want to gain bow fitness. You gotta work on something.

Renegade_Archer

In my many years of shooting(well.. 7), and more recently in my coaching of kids in Wilsons, is that those who do well are those who turn up and *think* about what they are doing - you tell them their bow shoulder is too high and they will spend the rest of the session thinking about their bow shoulder, working to improve it. Others just turn up and shoot arrows. Apart from an increase in bow fitness, there is no improvement, becuase they are not actively trying to find faults in their form.


The same applies in the university teams - you see people who turn up, and just shoot arrows. And you see people who are thinking about what they are doing. Thats the difference.

mr potato head

Yep have to agree with the great ex-angry one (ewan), the key is develop a part of ur shooting @ practice.... one at a time, n it'll begin to become 2nd nature.
BUT be carefull not to forget the rest of you style...
Think its called muscle memory, (up for correction on that one)
Breathing techniques are something i've found help settle you when under pressure,

madrab

and always dance..........................................................





do the bartman!

mr potato head

ah yes the faithful dancing....
if only they'd let me listen to music on the line, some nice quiet metallica or somethin' would help with the relaxing during a shoot. used to do it at training back in the old days, yup definitely starting to feel old.... should i start shooting compound?
or have i just uset a hornets nest?????

baggins

Originally posted by madrab
do the bartman!

Originally posted by mr potato head
some nice quiet metallica or somethin'

now mr potato head, i would love to see you attempt the bartman to metallica.

kuback

now now baggins, we wouldnt want to see spud break a hip, just keep him safe till his pensions in the bag and then we ship him off to a home. not too long to wait now......

halenger

Originally posted by mr potato head
if only they'd let me listen to music on the line

They do apparently. Farohar can probably quote the FITA rule on it.

Basically once it interfers with noone else (i.e. they can't hear it) it's all good.

Renegade_Archer

Surele it would be seen as an electronic aid to shooting? A dude me and Keith use to shoot with called Claus got given grief by Tony for wearing headphones at a competition... maybe the rules have changed since then...

halenger

Not too sure to be honest. You have a point.

Perhaps it's an American thing?

madrab

no tonys main concerne was that the earphones might catch in the string


we had the same argument

halenger

Aah... Easily solvable. Bring them around from behind.

That way they are always either side of the string and behind it. That's how I always do it and I can't imagine how they could possibly interfere with the string. Otherwise I really wouldn't be using them.

madrab

finally i can listen to barry maniloe and shoot at the same time





blisss

halenger

Lol...

I'll stick to calm, quiet, soothing erm... Metallica.

It's a good escape at times when you want a consistent noise rather than footballers or basketball players. Those people are damn loud, and irritating when things aren't going right.

madrab

whats wrong with the pint sized 70's cruener????


what about engelbert humperdink?

fly lesbian seagul?