Sinn Fein saves the world

ishmael whale

Anyone know where I can sign the Khmer Rouge’s Save The Whale petition?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2004/03/19/story138937.html

SF urges parties to sign anti-racism election pledge
19/03/2004 - 1:51:27 PM

Sinn Féin has called on political parties on both sides of the border to sign an anti-racism pledge ahead of this year’s local and European elections.

Party spokesman Aengus O’Snodaigh said Sinn Féin would be signing the pledge this Sunday to mark International Day Against Racism.

Mr O’Snodaigh said Sinn Féin was determined that race did not become an issue in the June elections.

ReefBreak

If they interviewed some of the more "working-class" members of Sinn Féin, they might find out how "anti-racist" they really are.

IMHO, the most racist, fascistic people I've ever encountered in Ireland are the skanger, Celtic-shirt-wearing, Sinn Féin-voting types. They're certainly very sectarian, that's for sure - and that's a first cousin of racism.

daveirl

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ReefBreak

Originally posted by daveirl
And McDowell is accused of opportunism

Could it be that Sinn Féin are "playing politics"? Or perhaps they're simply "scared" due to the upcoming European elections?

Shame on them.

Atreides

Originally posted by ReefBreak
If they interviewed some of the more "working-class" members of Sinn Féin, they might find out how racist they really are.

IMHO, the most racist, fascistic people I've ever encountered in Ireland are the skanger, Celtic-shirt-wearing, Sinn Féin-voting types. They're certainly very sectarian, that's for sure - and that's a first cousin of racism.

Personally I think those god damn knackers are more racist :rolleyes:

swiss

Originally posted by skanger:

Personally I think those god damn knackers are more racist :rolleyes:

Can you elaborate, please?

magpie

Well given that Sinn Fein's entire tissue-thin raison d'etre is based on some archaic ideas about the Irish race as a justification for a United Ireland, they are pretty much the most rascist people onthe whole island...

And that O'Snodaigh character is the brother of those Kila jokers, AKA the musical wing of the IRA. They should be made to decommission their bodhrans as part of the good friday agreement....

Atreides

Originally posted by swiss
Can you elaborate, please?

Just making the point that ReefBreak was making some fairly prejudice comments of other people in his attempt to condemn racism. Apparently your a racism if you're a "Celtic-shirt-wearing, Sinn Féin-voting types", am I the only one that see the irony?

Civilian_Target

Sinn Fein are the Irish BNP. They're the political wing of a terrorist organisation. It worries me that people take them seriously and vote for them to be honest.....

magpie

Sinn Fein are the Irish BNP

Exactly.

sovtek

Originally posted by Civilian_Target
Sinn Fein are the Irish BNP. They're the political wing of a terrorist organisation. It worries me that people take them seriously and vote for them to be honest.....

So I guess people in SA shouldn't vote for the ANC either?

magpie

So I guess people in SA shouldn't vote for the ANC either?

Exactly

ReefBreak

Originally posted by sovtek
So I guess people in SA shouldn't vote for the ANC either?

Sinn Féin Method To Condone Or Excuse The Existence Of A Terrorist Wing #12: Remind everyone that the ANC were terrorists also, and look them now, you'd have voted for them wouldn't you?

Er, if more people knew of some of the terrorist atrocities that were committed by the ANC, they might not vote for them. Myself, I don't know if I would or not, I simply don't know enough about them.

sovtek

Originally posted by ReefBreak
Sinn Féin Method To Condone Or Excuse The Existence Of A Terrorist Wing #12: Remind everyone that the ANC were terrorists also, and look them now, you'd have voted for them wouldn't you?

Er, if more people knew of some of the terrorist atrocities that were committed by the ANC, they might not vote for them. Myself, I don't know if I would or not, I simply don't know enough about them.

Fair enough, you might not but I see how much reverence is given to Mandela (and lesser extent Mbeke, being well deserved in re to the former) so much. Not that I'm suggesting Adams is Mandela.
My point is that you have to move on sometime.
The first thing I see so many say when Sinn Fein are mentioned is "killers, murderers"...!
Like the IRA and Sinn Fein, members of the ANC are still linked to Ikante Icizwe (spelling) and do lovely things like ambush "armored" security vans and kill whole families of farmers. Does that mean that the ANC don't have some good policies and aren't a viable political party?
Fair enough I'm not all that read up on the history of Sinn Fein and IRA...but IMHO it's a comparable situation to a certain degree.
Beleive me many in SA are quite aware of acts carried out by the ANC. It was wonderful propaganda for the Apartheid government.

ishmael whale

When did the ANC become the touchstone of democracy? And do we always aspire to the lowest common denominator?

We don't need to go so far afield. Most of our major parties have links back to Sinn Fein - even Labour through its merger with Democratic Left. The point is that, given access to a democratic alternative, they generally operate without access to guns.

Mercury_Tilt

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sovtek

Originally posted by ishmael whale
When did the ANC become the touchstone of democracy?

I'm not advocating that, although recognizing that they are the first democratic government in the history of South Africa.

And do we always aspire to the lowest common denominator?

...and where did I suggest that?

We don't need to go so far afield. Most of our major parties have links back to Sinn Fein - even Labour through its merger with Democratic Left. The point is that, given access to a democratic alternative, they generally operate without access to guns.

No with Bertie they're just facilitating the use of them on a large scale, Blair.
I'm not saying there isn't a democratic alternative nor am I a Sinn Fein supporter.
My point is that so many people slur them out of hand and at the same time fawning over other world leaders that aren't so innocent themselves.

Wolfie

Originally posted by ReefBreak
If they interviewed some of the more "working-class" members of Sinn Féin, they might find out how "anti-racist" they really are.

IMHO, the most racist, fascistic people I've ever encountered in Ireland are the skanger, Celtic-shirt-wearing, Sinn Féin-voting types. They're certainly very sectarian, that's for sure - and that's a first cousin of racism.

Prejudice is another first cousin of racism, so I find it ironic that your wide sweeping assumptions of working class ideology amusing and ironic at the same time.

Think before you type.

sovtek

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
on the issue at hand if they were really trying to grab the “working class” vote they would have been better adopting an anti immigration policy.

Speaking of the Lowest Common Denominator.

Wolfie

Originally posted by magpie
Well given that Sinn Fein's entire tissue-thin raison d'etre is based on some archaic ideas about the Irish race as a justification for a United Ireland, they are pretty much the most rascist people onthe whole island...

And that O'Snodaigh character is the brother of those Kila jokers, AKA the musical wing of the IRA. They should be made to decommission their bodhrans as part of the good friday agreement....

While I am sypathetic to some of your views on Sinn Fein politics, I think that we need to recognise the work that has been done by the party in facilitating the ceasefire and the relative peace that exists now. Calling the party members racist is another wide-sweeping statement, as I dont think there is anything intrinsically racist about the party (in the sense that the majority of party members believe that the Irish are a superior race to the British). Instead they have a political agenda, dealing with the desire to have an unpartitioned self governing island of Ireland. Hardly racism though.

Mighty_Mouse

And its the Shinners that are made out to be the extremists !!!!
Christ if you can be persecuted for saying No to Racism !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mighty_Mouse

IMHO, the most racist, fascistic people I've ever encountered in Ireland are the skanger, Celtic-shirt-wearing, Sinn Féin-voting types

:eek:
Ah reefbreak! Your true colours. I always knew you had it in you!;)

Mercury_Tilt

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Mighty_Mouse

Ps.
I think the ANC comment is a fair one seeing as how Mandela is revered around the world. Noble peace prize................etc

I know how some people in here would react if Gerry Adams got a Nobel!!!!! Actually I love to see the reaction!:D

bonkey

Originally posted by Mighty_Mouse
I know how some people in here would react if Gerry Adams got a Nobel!!!!! Actually I love to see the reaction!:D

/me replaces "a Nobel" with "arrested".

Sentence still reads the exact same, and the reactions would be no different, just coming from different sources.

jc

Atreides

Originally posted by bonkey
/me replaces "a Nobel" with "arrested".

Sentence still reads the exact same, and the reactions would be no different, just coming from different sources.

jc

If he got a Nobel peace prize, what would it actually matter, nothing jsut a load of symbolic crap. However if he was arrested, what do you think the consequences of that might be? I think alot of people would loose their lifes as a direct results of that, wouldn't you. These are the deals we make for peace in our time, its not right but thats the Ireland and world we live in.

sovtek

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
SF are rather lucky in that most of their voting base will vote for them regardless of their policies.

As opposed to FF?

Provided they stick to their nationalist agenda of course. Brits out and all that malarkey.

TBH I've never seen campaign propaganda of this nature from them. What sticks out is bin charges. That's a far cry from anti-immigration.

Mercury_Tilt

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Gearoid

IMHO, the most racist, fascistic people I've ever encountered in Ireland are the skanger, Celtic-shirt-wearing, Sinn Féin-voting types. They're certainly very sectarian, that's for sure - and that's a first cousin of racism.

Reef, you have an interesting way of being anti-discrimination.

Speaking of the Lowest Common Denominator.

Jasus, whats gotten into you all, talk about eiri in airde, if it wasn't for parties taking what the masses wanted into account then there'd be no socially progressive policies and we'd all be working 15 hour days in dirty factories living in slums and none of you would be writing this because you'd be working all day just to live and computers and internet would be the preserve of your "higher common denominator".
use your heads to think, not to shove up your arses.

AmenToThat

Originally posted by ishmael whale
Anyone know where I can sign the Khmer Rouge’s Save The Whale petition?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2004/03/19/story138937.html

SF urges parties to sign anti-racism election pledge
19/03/2004 - 1:51:27 PM

Sinn Féin has called on political parties on both sides of the border to sign an anti-racism pledge ahead of this year’s local and European elections.

Party spokesman Aengus O’Snodaigh said Sinn Féin would be signing the pledge this Sunday to mark International Day Against Racism.

Mr O’Snodaigh said Sinn Féin was determined that race did not become an issue in the June elections.

Well done Sinn Fein, the only party in Ireland (bar Socialist Worker) truely confronting racism.

daveirl

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simu

Hmm - I'm still a bit wary of Sinn Féin and wouldn't vote for them but it's better that they are taking an anti-racist view point than going for some "let's keep Ireland pure and Celtic" type nonsense. I think in time and especially as things get more peaceful in the North, any links they may have or have had with terrorist groups will shrivel and die and they'll just be another political party.

dirty_latino

So far, this post has shown that the average user here has absolutley no clue of who Sinn Fein are or where they have come from.

I think some reading matter may help: try 'Provos' by Peter Taylor.

And, if you don't know about a subject kindly keep your inane babble to yourself.

David-[RLD]-

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
Brits out and all that malarkey.

..correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not the whole point of Republicanism?
If they stopped campaigning for a 32-country sovereign republic free of British rule, they wouldn't be Republican, so they wouldn't be Sinn Féin.

dirty_latino

Aren't Sinn Fein now a Left-Wing party? Aren't left wing party's anti-racism by default?

dirty_latino

Going back to the point earlier about the Irish BNP, I think you will find that this is now 'The BNP'!

Look into it losers

Valentia

correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not the whole point of Republicanism

OK I will. What you are talking about is Nationalism, not republicanism.

If anyone thinks Sinn Féin are in the peace process for peace they should have their head examined. It's "The Power Process" they are interested in.

Did anyone see the documentary on TV3 after the last election about Sinn Féin canvassing? Well there was a scene in Tralee where Martin Ferris went into a pub and the band was singing The Fields of Athenry. During the chorus he stood at the door, fist raised, shouting IRA, IRA.

Sinn Féin are dangerous because they stand for the opposite of everything they pretend to stand for. They have no real policies but jump on what they see as suitable bandwagons. They work in marginalised communities not out of concern for the socially excluded but because they identified a "market" for votes. I know there are some honourable individuals within the party who genuinely do care but unfortunately their altruism is being manipulated by the masters at the top.

Very clever & very dangerous. Sinn Féin leading an anti-racism campaign - the thought nearly makes me puke :mad:

Mercury_Tilt

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Johnny 5

Yay! Another Sinn Fein bashing thread, third this week!

Of course it would have helped if SF hadn't of produced that anti-racism pledge, it would have done the place a heap of good!

Valentia

Of course it would have helped if SF hadn't of produced that anti-racism pledge, it would have done the place a heap of good!

Yeah? And why do YOU think they produced it. Just as a matter of interest?

thesecret7

Sinn Féin has called on political parties on both sides of the border to sign an anti-racism pledge ahead of this year’s local and European elections.

this is all a bit rich coming from the likes of the provos isnt it!!! This is the same party which was trying to ethnical cleanse Northern Ireland.

David-[RLD]-

When did Sinn Féin try to ethnically cleanse the north?

Some might describe ethnic cleansing as a form of "final solution" if loyalists attempt to reverse United Ireland when it eventually comes along, which would just make us all look like a bunch of Nazis.

I myself am a bit on the pro-Sinn Féin side but I'm definitely the opposite of the skangers that ReefBreak described while ironically attempting to shun racism. :rolleyes:

Then again I don't like any political party in this country, especially FF and the DUP. :mad:

Capt'n Midnight

Originally posted by sovtek
So I guess people in SA shouldn't vote for the ANC either?

Very simple - in SA during aparthide >80% of the population had no say in the election of the government .
In NI (with the exception of blatent gerrymandering in the past) power can be transferred by democtatic vote...

SF "INP" ?
'cos FF are The Republican Party - ROFL 'cos Dev refused to accept the six counties 'cos then the unionists would have had the balance of power.

Anyway agree that SF aren't racist, they don't care about the race, colour, creed or religion of the brits that they want out.

gurramok

Originally posted by ishmael whale
Anyone know where I can sign the Khmer Rouge’s Save The Whale petition?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2004/03/19/story138937.html

Thought you are supposed to give your views on an article in the original post as well as posting the article. Double standards on this thread ??

daveirl

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Dub13

"Sinn Fein are the Irish BNP".............!!!!


How can you say this.....if you no anything about them you would no that Sinn Fein are Left wing and the BNP are far Right......

Morpheus

Groups of voters and supporters of this party whistle and spit at a parade as members of the DF march proudly by them... this represents the whole underlying scum that SF attitudes and policies have been built on.

They dont recognise the Defence forces as the legitimate army of ireland, they dont recognise the govt as the legitimate govt of ireland. they believe we have a free state govt suported by an illegal freestate army (the irish defence forces) and that the IRA are the legitmate army.

Theyll be sorely wasting time if they think that calling to MY door will get any polite response.

SF = SCUM OF THE EARTH

Mighty_Mouse

Groups of voters and supporters of this party whistle and spit at a parade as members of the DF march proudly by them... this represents the whole underlying scum that SF attitudes and policies have been built on.

They dont recognise the Defence forces as the legitimate army of ireland, they dont recognise the govt as the legitimate govt of ireland. they believe we have a free state govt suported by an illegal freestate army (the irish defence forces) and that the IRA are the legitmate army.

I am a supporter of SF.
I support the DF and have many friends who serve overseas so the beliefs of SF as outlined by you above are not true.

Can I ask you when and where the above incident happenen?

Morpheus

Kevin Barrys re-interrment.

Mighty_Mouse

Martin Ferris went into a pub and the band was singing The Fields of Athenry. During the chorus he stood at the door, fist raised, shouting IRA, IRA.

Haven't seen the documentary.Why was this a surprise? Did you not know that M Ferris had IRA sympathies:p

Morpheus

ok... i made a boo boo, the IRA recognises SF as the only legal govt in ireland.

and that SF has decided (in 1990 i think) to recognise the irish parliament, so until 1990 they didnt.

however the spitting and whistling incident did happen.

my view is still the same, once a Terrorist always a Terrorist.


SF have as much blood on their hands as the IRA