Galaxy class a replacement for the Oberth class ??

bizmark

I find it very odd that well know star trek web sites and indeed even the star trek Enclopedia /fans states the Galaxy as being a replacement for the old Oberth class ships.

Firstly the Galaxy class is 5 million ton with Dimensions of Length : 641 Beam : 470 Height : 145 Decks : 42 all in Meters so it’s a big bitch.

The Oberth class is 94.000 ton! With Dimensions of Length : 150.81 Beam : 87 height : 41 Decks : 12 a fudge load smaller

So star fleet is intending to replace Tiny 94.000 ton ships which have been in production for over 90 or so years (so there must be a good few) with ships over 4.9 million tons heavier than them that take 5 years a piece to build and to make it worse they only intended to put 6 into service until the war came along when around 100 galaxy class ships turn up god knows where they where keeping them.....IT MAKES NO SENCE DAMN IT! To replace one ship with one that weighs 53 times more which you have no hope building and supporting in huge numbers.

So i think they/we should scrap the idea it was intended as a replacement to the Oberth and just stick to it being a replacement for the Ambassador class it makes far far more sense.
Ambassador class : Mass 2.5 million ton (so the galaxy is only 2 times its weight) length : 526 Beam : 320 Height : 125 Decks : 36.
The galaxy is very close while still being a big step up over the ambassador there both build to be Battleships during war also seeming the Ambassador wasn’t in service to long + is pritty big it lends itself to not having many more than 100-200 in service.

User45701

The oberth was a science vessel i never saw the galaxy as a replacement for it because as you said it is too large also if a oberth class ship is so week that it cant take 1 hit from a klingon disruptor then it wouldent take 90 years to come up with a replacement.

Woden

the nova class is the replacement for the oberth class imo

User45701

.... What about the Norway class?

ecksor

Originally posted by User45701
The oberth was a science vessel i never saw the galaxy as a replacement for it because as you said it is too large also if a oberth class ship is so week that it cant take 1 hit from a klingon disruptor then it wouldent take 90 years to come up with a replacement.

Sure isn't that what did the Enterprise-D in?

Jim

Originally posted by ecksor
Sure isn't that what did the Enterprise-D in?

Aye, but that was because they knew the sheild frequency.

ecksor

Did the Grissom get to raise shields before being hit?

I think someone is grasping at straws.

Jim

Originally posted by ecksor
I think someone is grasping at straws.

Nono, just someone quoting his very little Star Trek knowledge.


[edit]I meant myself btw [/edit]

Kevok

I think Ecksor hit the nail firmly on the head with that one. The Grissom obviously had no sheilds up.

I'd say it was a goof Bizmark, if anything the Galaxy was the replacement for the Excelsior and/or Constellation.

bizmark

I'd say it was a goof Bizmark, if anything the Galaxy was the replacement for the Excelsior and/or Constellation

I agreed i say it was a mess up with the star trek producers which they tryed to fix with the nova class in voyager.

however the Galaxy is pritty clearly the replacement for the ambasadore they look very very much alike

Excelsior is a replacement for the Conny Ambasadore a replacement for the Excelsior Galaxy replacement for the Ambasadore Sovy replacement for the galaxy

.... What about the Norway class

Norway is a patrol/diplomatic ship

Sure isn't that what did the Enterprise-D in?

The E-D was done in by incompetence from riker imho

I think Ecksor hit the nail firmly on the head with that one. The Grissom obviously had no sheilds up.

aye Ecksor makes good points but the E-D still took a lot of hits then crashed on a planet with little if any deaths on board the oberth took 1 hit with the death of all onboard

ecksor

Originally posted by bizmark
The E-D was done in by incompetence from riker imho

Not sure what you're getting at there, but all the commanding officers have had moments of pure stupidity for the sake of the story. Most obvious being Kirk not raising shields as the silent Reliant approached, despite Saavik's objections.

Could have avoided all that malarky with the firefights in the nebula, but I guess the story wouldn't have been quite as exciting.

aye Ecksor makes good points but the E-D still took a lot of hits then crashed on a planet with little if any deaths on board the oberth took 1 hit with the death of all onboard

I'm not saying the oberth was as good a ship, I'm just pointing to the fallacy of the 'one hit' argument. On that note, I distinctly remember La Forge noting that "It was that last torpedo that must have done it" before they abandoned the drive section. I guess we'll never know if the previous blasts "softened it up".

bizmark

Originally posted by ecksor
Not sure what you're getting at there, but all the commanding officers have had moments of pure stupidity for the sake of the story.

Thats very true Esksor .......Im just a bit bitter at riker for getting the E-D destroyed with out even putting up a decent fight he only fired 1 phaser blast ffs At lest kirk give his Enterprise a good showing

Originally posted by ecksor
I'm not saying the oberth was as good a ship, I'm just pointing to the fallacy of the 'one hit' argument. On that note, I distinctly remember La Forge noting that "It was that last torpedo that must have done it" before they abandoned the drive section. I guess we'll never know if the previous blasts "softened it up". [/B]

I remember one of the last shot that we seen hit very very close to the Main impulse engine's they keep a lot of explosive stuff in there + 4 fusion reactors any bad damage to those systems could = boom on there own.

But other than causing Star treks loved "power surge" through the warp core cooling systems (remember there was a big explosion where jordy was looking) i don’t see how that would cause damage to the core .......I guess it was something we didn’t see :dunno:

Also a BOP should only have 1 emergency torpedo we seen it fire around 3 in the first few seconds........Damn movie

User45701

Originally posted by ecksor
Not sure what you're getting at there, but all the commanding officers have had moments of pure stupidity for the sake of the story. Most obvious being Kirk not raising shields as the silent Reliant approached, despite Saavik's objections.

Could have avoided all that malarky with the firefights in the nebula, but I guess the story wouldn't have been quite as exciting.
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Yes but it wasent stupidity. StarFleet regulations are to go to yellow alert. I thought that ment charge shields but not engage them. I know he didnt go to yellow alert but even if he did it probbley wouldent have made that much of a difference.

It was a great story tho, one of the best movies

Originally posted by ecksor

I'm not saying the oberth was as good a ship, I'm just pointing to the fallacy of the 'one hit' argument. On that note, I distinctly remember La Forge noting that "It was that last torpedo that must have done it" before they abandoned the drive section. I guess we'll never know if the previous blasts "softened it up".

You make a good point we will never know. They where hit a fair few times so we can assume that some of the first hits weekend containment or damaged the bulkheads around the core.

ecksor

Originally posted by User45701
Yes but it wasent stupidity. StarFleet regulations are to go to yellow alert. I thought that ment charge shields but not engage them. I know he didnt go to yellow alert but even if he did it probbley wouldent have made that much of a difference.

It was stupid, he admitted it himself.

And I'm pretty sure the script specified raising shields.

bizmark

Yes but it wasent stupidity. StarFleet regulations are to go to yellow alert. I thought that ment charge shields but not engage them. I know he didnt go to yellow alert but even if he did it probbley wouldent have made that much of a difference.

Yellow alert = put up the shields but don’t engage the weapons .....It’s a defense mode with out being a threat to some other ship.....And if Kirk had the shields up the enterprise wouldn’t have been that badly damaged

User45701

My mistake. i thought yellow alert was shields charged but not activated.

Johnny Versace

This is by bleedin far the nerdiest thread I've ever witnessed on boards.

Woden

this is the star trek forum what do you expect?

oh and btw

Johnny Versace

Sure, sure

I'm just stating a fact! Nothing else

/me points out, just for the record, that he likes star trek

bizmark

I wuv star trek

and iv watched it for years upon years + read many many things about it im bound to pick this up over time

User45701

Ive been watching it for a very long time, one of my first emeories is hearing Bones say "God jim im beginning to think i can cure a rainy day"
Another amusing one of my fist memories is in busy park my granny being attacked by a swan....

On another note yes star trek rules so does SG1.
MutantX is Bad

Woden

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
Sure, sure

I'm just stating a fact! Nothing else

/me points out, just for the record, that he likes star trek

thats ok then

NeoSlicerZ

Galaxy was a replacement for the 2nd version of the constellation afaik (ones like the Stargazer, with 4 warp nacelles...)

bizmark

the stargaze is a cruiser the replacement for that pos would be the akira

NeoSlicerZ

well what's before the Galaxy then, from the game ST: BotF i know that the one after Galaxy is the Galaxy-X then the Soverign class but before stumps me. What class was the Enterprise - C?

Kevok

Ambassador I think.

Woden

the galaxy X doesn't exist its a future thing just from the last ep of TNG so the ship may or may not come about i suppose. the enterprise C is an ambassador class starship

User45701

C was embasador class, i thought that the stargazer might be a embasador class replacement because they are similar in size and type.

Woden

the stargazer is constellation class iirc

User45701

constellation is TOS Enterprise class

NeoSlicerZ

I believe that Stargazer is the 2nd version Constellation, but the Ambassador is classified as a Command and Control ship like the Galaxy and Soverign in the game ST : BotF 'tis a bit confusing alright

Woden

nah the original enterprise was a constitution class star ship iirc, however there was u.s.s constellation that was a constitution class ship again iirc and that is confusing

User45701

What does IIRC mean?

It is confusing, yes i think the ambasador was a command and control.

Where do u draw the line between Galaxy and solverign, I think sovy is a dreadnought and Galaxy is command and control.

Defiant is offically a escort ship.

Woden

iirc = if i recall correctly which i use when i think i'm right but am not sure about something and someone could come back and whip my ass

i'm not up on ship classification if you know what i mean like, escort, warship etc. tbh

NeoSlicerZ

Aye Soverign is a Dreadnought, Galaxy and Ambassador are C&C but i'm put off about the Defiant class being classed as an Escort class. However the first generation Defiant class aren't that good tbh. 2nd Generation Defiant rock, the USS Monitor invaded Unimatrix Zero and gave the Borg a right spanking.

bizmark

2nd Generation Defiant rock, the USS Monitor invaded Unimatrix Zero and gave the Borg a right spanking

they dont count anything on books are non cannon and never excited in the "star trek univerise"

User45701

The defiant is a escort ship. 100% sure about it.

That is its offical designation because they dont want to have federation ship names like
war bird
battle ship
heavy cruiser

bizmark

Sigh ill have to sort you minor trek fans out again

sovy = Battleship (Command and control for a fleet if needed)
Galaxy = Heavy cruiser (Command and control for a fleet if needed)
Stargazer = Cruiser
Ambasadore = Heavy cruiser (Command and control for a fleet if needed)
Defiant = Destroyer
Akira = cruiser
Constitution class = Heavy cruiser/battleship

And in order of building (i think)

Constitution class
Stargazer
Ambasadore class
Galaxy class

---

\
Akira class - They would all be designed around the same time
Defiant class

---

/
Sovy class

Im not going through the whole fed fleet class by class btw :eek:

NeoSlicerZ

but i like the books

Woden

so do i, what book is this u.s.s monitor in i should have read it.

bizmark i think the defiant was built before the akira, as it was seen before any akira class starships?

bizmark

Might be might not be theres no way to know really

Akira looks like a galaxy though defaint looks very different design wise so i think the akira came first ......Akira was more than likely designed with or just after the galaxy/nebby

Woden

yes but i think thats more coz the akira is more conventional design more so then anything else as the defiant was definetley something new for the fed.

bizmark

conventional :dunno:

15 torp tubes 3 type 10 phasers (points to galaxy era ships btw) hanger bay
and a very very different design to anything before it other that the NX

Woden

my arse that ship has 15 torpedo tubes *cough* non-canon* cough and the design is not so different so it is a still a convential fed. design with a kinda saucer section and rear engineering section

bizmark

Originally posted by Dataisgod
my arse that ship has 15 torpedo tubes *cough* non-canon* cough and the design is not so different so it is a still a convential fed. design with a kinda saucer section and rear engineering section

The guy that designed it said it has 15 1 shot tubes = 15 torps in a single launch ......Enterprise -D 2 exposed multy launcher tubes = 20 a second or something

Its not that unreal tbh

Also the ship is all contained in the saucer the back end is only for the torp launchers and a place to stick the warp naccels me thinks

Capt'n Midnight

Originally posted by bizmark
...until the war came along when around 100 galaxy class ships turn up god knows where they where keeping them.....IT MAKES NO SENCE DAMN IT!.

In the Voyager universe (those renegades wern't real star fleet - helping the Borg to wipe out a sentient race, when everyone knows there is only one consiousness in the Borg ) they would have simply have reversed the flux polarity in one of the Jefferson conduits so antiphase tachyons would have controlled the replicator matrix and thus have each starship would be able to replicate it's self in jig time. (count them carefully and you'll notice there were actually 89 of them (Fabrication by Fibonacci)) In the other series they would have used a thing called a "script" instead

User45701

Originally posted by bizmark
Defiant = Destroyer

Defiant is definatley a escort ship, i am certan it was in those fact files and mentioned in some star trek games aswell. It might but im not certan have been mentioned in a episode aswell...

bizmark

Destroy = escort
Escort = destroyer

Same thing different navy names

Woden

sounds like they have to different functions though, i would guess here and it is only a guess, that the escort ship escorts things, while the destroyer would kinda like destroy things or something.

anyone agree with me on this?

bizmark

your some num nut

Destroyers/cruisers ARE escorts in general
heavy cruisers battleships etc are captial ships

NeoSlicerZ

The U.S.S Monitor appeared in William Shatner's "The Return"