The "I have a gripe with Ivan thread"

Ivan

Originally posted by Headcase
i find threads on what people intend to do when they finish college, relevant and interesting. threads on exams and classes, relevant, but threads on missing classes or exams are a waste of time.

Thats pretty much how I feel.

Originally posted by Headcase
and in relation to the thread on what lectures people fancy, why didn't you close it Ivan instead of responding to it!

Because I thought it was actually amusing. I figured people could have a laugh about it, I did threaten to lock it if it got out of hand. But I dont think it did.

As for my comments on the way UnrealQueen posts, I stand by them. I think I'm perfectly entitled to form my own opinion based on HER actions.

Originally posted by Kain
Welcome to dimocracy, Freedom of speech.

Democracy doesnt exist here. A benign dictator is apointed and s/he runs the forum.
Thats the way its always been. If they get out of hand then an admin steps in and replaces them.

Originally posted by Kain
And if his words are law then UnrealQueen has broken none in the fact that she has talked about college.

And I'd hate to think of my words as law and your right, Unrealqueen has kept things relevant to the college. But the fact is, there is an Irc chat room where EVERYONE can talk as much crap as they want, about whatever they want. Its totally uncensored (well within reason) so go nuts. Boards is not a facility for 2 people to have a conversation about whether Eddie Hickey is a man or an automated response unit such as here.

Originally posted by Kain
And since a lot of people seem to put this up, no i have not been bribed or blackmailed, in fact UnrealQueen doesn't even know what i look like.

The reason I said this was because I assumed everyone else felt the same way as me. I was just shocked when Senor_fudge, someone who apparently doesnt know UnrealQueen at all, should come along and defend her.

Ivan

Originally posted by Kain
OK even i can see how off topic this has gone.

So for my point, i don't have a problem with Ivans moderating, But i don't think that UnrealQueen should be banned for her posted.

No, no. This is precisely how I want this topic to go. I want to know exactly how people feel, you know, get some feedback/Discussion.

UnrealQueen hasnt been banned for her posted (I'm not entirely sure I know what you mean by this...)

She was banned before but thats a different issue.

The_Goose

ok so only subjects relevant to carlow it are to be discussed here, and only subjects with an intelligent basis like A B

These are not digs at you just trying to show you, you have done the same and all though, the threads might be relevant to some user's of the IT board, they are not for all and it could be argued that you could have pm'd whoever you needed to about these!Like you could have pm'd snowball and told him what you thought of his sig!!

Now i think ye are doing a wonderful job as mod, a slightly jello like fist(firm but fair)
is what was needed but the problem is ye are not been specific enough for poster's to tell what is exceptable or not!!!

Or maybe they know and just want to see how far they can push the limits!!

Either way i think everyone needs to calm down a bit!!I know i rather Ivan to mordeth(my bum is still sore), but you can wait til all hell breaks lose in a thread
before closing it!!
Unreals threads weren't doing any harm, just keeping the board ticking over til a more suited subject appears, like for instance why are the lecturars allowed just skip the que in the canteen, is it no one stops them or an unwritten rule!!!


Good afternoon, good evening and good morning again!!

Ivan

Firstly I'd like to point out how my threads are taken completely out of context, that is, I was completely stoned at the times.

Secondly, it has no baring on this conversation as I was not moderating myself at the time and the then moderator, Mordeth, thought they were either, amusing, relevant, or worthy of discussion.

Things dont have to be intelligent, I dont know where you got that idea. I'm not a snob or an elitist. Hence the "What lecturer do you fancy" thread etc. etc.

The problem is, I'm going about doing my job, moderating where I think moderating is needed and I'm being hassled for it.

A was a celebration of DSL, a notice to all other members of Carlow IT that we had dsl and also a nice little poem as well...

B was something that need to be aired before I bitchslaped the next person to whine to me about Snowballs sig.

Both were quite amusing I thought and if someone were to create those threads today, I would laugh and NOT close them, UnrealQueen or not.

Maybe thats just me, maybe I have a weird sense of humour compared to the rest of ye.


My job is not to wait until all hell breaks loose and then moderate but rather to prevent all hell from breaking loose in the first place.

Also I thought, if anything, I'm repeating myself too much. I can't speak for TomTom, but the way I moderate things is by reading the charter. Comparing a post to the charter and asking, is this relevant, is this worth talking about or is it just plain funny?

Maybe I'm being a little vague but I'm only human, if it were set down in stone what was acceptable and what wasnt, things would be very quiet around here. As it is, I thought I had reached a fair compromise between spam & non-spam, apparently some of you disagree with me.

I'd like to hear why.

Would you like to post whatever you want, whenever you want. Would you like it if each day there were 50-100 posts of "What lab are you in, did you see that one?" or "You're an idiot, no you're an idiot, no YOU'RE and idiot!" etc. etc.

Just because the board is here, doesnt mean you HAVE to post.
Use some self-restraint.

UnrealQueen

Originally posted by Ivan

B was something that need to be aired

B is about somebody's sig. That needs to be aired does it??? Read the charter boy. Threads about someone's sig is not relevant to the college.

If any of us wrote a thread about someone's sig, it would be locked and we'd be banned before we'd clicked "submit reply".

Kain

I'm not sure were to go from here without offending people.

I am satisfied with the moderating on this forum, i know that maybe that "Eddie Hickey - Man or Automated Response Unit" was probably best shut down cause lets face it it was a bit of a waste of time sonce only two people were using it.

I guess it's hard looking at both sides of the coin.

On one side Ivan is trying to keep the place as clean as he can and stopping things before they happen.

On the other i see a lot of UnrealQueens threads being shut down even though they are about college. So there seems to me like theres not much wrong with them.

Maybe i'm the only one that hinks this i'm not sure.

And about what i said earlier Ivan about this thing going off topic, My bad, sorry. I didn't think this is what you wanted.

The_Goose

i'm sorry but you are a whinger, you are a mod, poster's will complain about you, your not even listening to people are sayin, you just sittin back waitin for something you can response to, and then goin on the attack!! Relax, nobody really cares.

A was a celebration of DSL, a notice to all other members of Carlow IT that we had dsl and also a nice little poem as well...

Which has what to do with carlow IT!

Secondly, it has no baring on this conversation as I was not moderating myself at the time and the then moderator, Mordeth, thought they were either, amusing, relevant, or worthy of discussion.

Yes but you are a mod now and such threads if started now would be closed immediatly and you know it!

UnrealQueen

Originally posted by Manticore
your not even listening to [what] people are sayin, you just sittin back waitin for something you can response to, and then goin on the attack!!

My friend, you just hit the nail on the head. He never ever listens. According to him, he's always right (especially when he's wrong). 2 out of 3 times when he responds to (well mine anyway i've noticed the most sorry) threads, it's to attack.

He asked me about the exam thread before he locked, not that what i said would have made much difference. But when i tried to explain reasoning to him, that exams actually are relevant to the college, his ears shut. It's his "interpretation" he calls it. If he thinks its not relevant, then it isn't. (?????)

Headcase

i want to hear TomTom's point of view on all this.

so when you stop humping the Kangeroos out there and turn on a computer TomTom, gives us your insight!

DeVore

Reading, watching, ever vigilant....

DeV.

The_Goose

Yeah lets see what the other mod has to say, until then lets breathe 1 2 3 4 breathe 1 2 3 4 etc!:D :rolleyes:

Ivan

Originally posted by DeVore
Reading, watching, ever vigilant....

DeV.

I think he meant the other Tom :P

As for being a whinger, sure thats fair.

As for being a mod, thats also true.

As for sitting back and attacking people being all I do, well thats just downright false.

I reply to posts with my opinion, its not meant to be an attack.

And yes, posters will complain about me, but rather than ban anyone who does, I want to know why and what I can do to change that.

I honestly dont know if I would close threads like my own, I cant say without being biased. The fact of the matter is, I wrote it so of course I'm going to say I wouldnt close it. I just genuinely dont know.

The fact is, this board was a few steps away from being closed. Because all it seemed to attract was mindless spammy nonsense. I've tried to remedy that while not censoring anything decent, I thought I'd acheived that. My previous history really has no relevance to the issue at hand. There are different moderators, with different goals, aims and standards. Although, to be fair, if thats the worst of my posts you can find, I still think thats pretty tame by todays standards.

Anyway, I'm begining to think maybe this was a bad idea.

UnrealQueen

This here is a perfect example of me writing a perfectly relevant thread to the college and it being locked because Ivan says it isn't relevant. Especially even more interesting is his post when he locks it.

I like my way better.

On a totally unrelated topic, thread closed.

This is the last time I'm going to close one of these spammy, bloody useless threads.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145497

seanos

......since when do students care about exams ?
It's not exactly a motivating topic, or something which is interesting at all really ... i had exam yesterday, don't feel need to bore people with details...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Originally posted by Sinnocence
Yes, followed by the army of mice!

if I were a bitter man I'd take offence to that

if I were a man

Kain

Originally posted by Sinnocence
......since when do students care about exams ?
It's not exactly a motivating topic, or something which is interesting at all really ... i had exam yesterday, don't feel need to bore people with details...

If you don't want to talk about them then don't answer the thread!

Either way it's still apart of college and so it is/should be allowed to place a thread on the board.

TomTom

Hello and good evening.

To be honest unreal queen I am with ciaran 110% on this.

A while ago when myself and ciaran took over as mods of the boards, we said there was zero tolerence for spam for a while to bring the board back under control. But you have spammed over and over again. Try using commone sence when posting.

The charter for instance, you started at ciaran when you were clearly in the wrong and then tried to pull the thread into an argument about another topic altogether.
I will agree that threads about exams and classes are relevent to the college but in certain context, maybe if you had posted a week before to inform everyone in the class that there was a test, thet would be relevent material.
When you are posting about an exam you have today and that you are not ready or if you only found out about a test, thats a personal matter for yourself and nothing to do with the college.

Also when a mod closes a thread they have a reason for doing so. If you disagree you do not just open another thread. You either pm the mod or send a complaint to one of the admins.

A few people are making this forum a lot harder to maintain than it should be ( unreal is not alone). Maybe if you just relaxed of the posting for a while you would see a lot less hassel from the mods.

So its at ivans discression to give you a one month ban if you over step the charter again.

the_syco

I've my gripes with Ivan, but TomTom has a valid point when he mentions that the zero tolerance thing on spam was a good thing. I don't mind spam in small amounts, but it did go down the drain. Some of the recent posts been locked (heck, a few of mine were instantly locked) but what the heck. Sh*t happens.

Sure, I've gripes with Ivan, but I've gripes with some mods, cos they're mods

My point is; Ivan has done what he was given the job to do. Moderate. And he's done a good job of it.

He's human.

Also, I'm not going to take sides here, but I want to make this clear.

He could have just done a permnament-ban on a few people, but he didn't.
He put up this thread, so that ye could vent your anger at him.
Dictatorships don't do this.

As for democracy, it isn't practised here. Why should it? A nice guy hosts this, so the golden rule applies. He has the gold, he makes the rules.

Thus, with mods, they make the rules. No if's or but's. I've seen the other communities.
There, you spam too often, you get permnament-ban.
Here I've seen alot of spam. Some of the old posts were pure spam.
And no permnament-ban.

So I think Ivan has been pretty fair.

Senor_Fudge

Ivan

I was just shocked when Senor_fudge, someone who apparently doesnt know UnrealQueen at all, should come along and defend her

I was defending her honour sir and will do so again!

seanos

Originally posted by Senor_Fudge
Ivan


I was defending her honour sir and will do so again!

While throwing cheap cider all over the floor ?

Senor_Fudge

thats not relevant, that was a once off experience that i posted on another thread

seanos

and you posting in a thread which is aimed at current IT Carlow posters, looking for their opinion on modding of this thread ... is relevant.

Ivan : feel free to delete previous few postings

Senor_Fudge

fair enough
but i read through the thread and saw that unrealqueen was getting a bit of bad treatment and decided to side with her

elvis2002

My opinion is that the post "What exams are you missing" etc are as relevant as posts in other forums with titles, What movie are you currently watching, what song you listening too. I don't see anything wrong with them myself and either do the moderators in them forums. Why problem's here then?

What Class are you currently Missing? -> This is locked
What Lecture Do You Fancy? -> Not locked

One rule for some, another rule for someone else.

I dont know UnrealQueen myself, but I do think there's no need for you to go off on one. Since you are a moderator and have some control over threads, you disgraced yourself, and I dont think you should be a mod here anymore.

Senor_Fudge

huzzar huzzar!

Ivan

Originally posted by elvis2002
My opinion is that the post "What exams are you missing" etc are as relevant as posts in other forums with titles, What movie are you currently watching, what song you listening too. I don't see anything wrong with them myself and either do the moderators in them forums. Why problem's here then?

What Class are you currently Missing? -> This is locked
What Lecture Do You Fancy? -> Not locked

One rule for some, another rule for someone else.

I dont know UnrealQueen myself, but I do think there's no need for you to go off on one. Since you are a moderator and have some control over threads, you disgraced yourself, and I dont think you should be a mod here anymore.

The posts like what song are you listening to and what movie your currently watching (although I dont know what forum thats on) are an attempt to broaden peoples horizons. You can find out what might be a good song or what might be a good movie to watch.

There is nothing to be gained from what exam I missed yesterday.


As for
What Class are you currently Missing? -> This is locked
and
What Lecture Do You Fancy? -> Not locked

Those threads were both by the same person.

There was no "one rule for some, another rule for someone else". Both were started by UnrealQueen. Difference?

A) I was worried I WAS being too hard on UnrealQueen.

I thought "What lecture do you fancy?" was actually slightly amusing and might start some conversation.

I really dont know where you get the idea that I'm being unfair.

I understand where UnrealQueen gets it from. She thinks she's being unfairly treated, I have no idea what your problem is.

UnrealQueen

Actually only one of those was started by me. lmd started the other.

Ivan

My point remains, I fail to see the
"One rule for some, another rule for someone else."

UnrealQueen

Originally posted by Ivan
The posts like what song are you listening to and what movie your currently watching (although I dont know what forum thats on) are an attempt to broaden peoples horizons. You can find out what might be a good song or what might be a good movie to watch.

Maybe, but more so they're threads to get everyone involved and having a laugh with each other, as well as being related to the forum. That's what "what exam are you missing right now?" and "What class are you currently missing?" were about. I certainly didn't start any thread just to spam the board and i definitely didn't start any just to get under your skin.

uq.


P.S. Are we going to be friends again after this?

eth0_

Originally posted by Ivan
I WILL not be harrassed or abused by you any longer.

Quit being such a prissy little bitch, Ivan :OP