base camping?

Woden

right i'm looking for a more strict definition of base camping. for example what is one to do when someone has all the flags sit there and wait for them to come.

is it ok to find yourself a nice ridge around the base and snipe people running for vehicles and what not.

just wondering whats allowed and whats not, i suppose this applies to cavan more as each server is different and stuff.

cheers

data

the_syco

Base camping is when u go to an untakeable base, and snipe people, or get a tank, stop near the spawn point + kill anyone who spawns @ the main base.

Most base's allow straffing planes, which I think means bombing with planes. Not too sure, tho.

If you just snipe people spawning at a takable base, me thinks thats OK. Also, keeping them pinned into a certain spot (killing them if they move too far from their base, or if they shoot at you), so they can't expand their region of tactical operations is usually seen as OK

TheHairyFairy

I think it is perfectly OK to go into another base on foot and find somewhere comfortable to snipe from. I dont aim to kill people as they spawn and sniping someone as they run isnt easy so I dont view it as basecamping.

Flying over another base and bombing the **** out of it or firing missiles is OK as well as you normally end up with a stinger in your ass.

It is not allowed in any means or form to drive into an oponents base in a tank and start shootin the place up. It is silly and a complete waste of time.

Sniping or flying and you have a good chance of getting killed yourself, but in a tank you can reek havoc without reply for a long time.

If I get sniped in my own base I respawn as a sniper and make it my goal in life to take the sucker out. Even more enjoyable doing it with a knife.

The Fairy.

Woden

the reason i ask is that i think its ok to snipe someones main base as well, as well as the takeable ones which goes without saying i think, and yes i also think like to make taking out snipers my goal in life if i think there is one in a certain place tis fun that.

yeah sitting in a tank in some ones main base (and there was talk of someone sitting on a repair pad cheeky ****er) isn't on

bizmark

yeah sitting in a tank in some ones main base (and there was talk of someone sitting on a repair pad cheeky ****er) isn't on

can be fun to do that in CTF matchs though.....one good way to clear out there base for some one on your team to get the flag

ssh

I say that no one should ever die within the boundaries of an untakeable base.

The second they leave, they are fair game. To some extent the super-weapons of DC make base camping far worse.

Moriarty

Originally posted by ssh
I say that no one should ever die within the boundaries of an untakeable base.

What he said ^.

Jim

....is fun.

Instant Karma

my def. is sitting on an airfield with a tank and killing anything that spawns..or lying in opps base and grenade spamming...anything else is fair in my book and most players book..but if your on foot..ie you have vbailed out over enemy base ...you are to kill what ever you have to to survive..nick that tank...plane etc... and get the hell out..absolutely no staying in perm or untakable spawn positions..the only exception i can think of is berlin where its really necessary to peg the allies back in their base..ANYONE who complains on berlin that you are a camper is a total twat or a noob...I;m resident berlin expert lol

Woden

hmm yeah its ****ing annoying then when you can't get out of the base if you are well pinned down, however playing opposition i will go up the side way in berlin and try to get in behind them and stuff.

i see nothing wrong with going into some ones main base with soul intention of robbing there vehicles either. and then perhaps blowing up a large number of their vehicles on the way out the door

the_syco

Originally posted by Dataisgod
and there was talk of someone sitting on a repair pad cheeky ****er

In DC Oil Fields, in one of the middle base's, on the RHS of the map, I sometimes capture the flag, and wait on the repair bay, in a tank. Dataisgod is the only one so far who can actually remove me from there

Woden

aye i remember that only cause you in a an anti-infantry tank though and i was in a T-72. and thats ok as it was a takeable base. would be hard to kill you with infantry though

Lucutus

Cavan Combat has two rules:

No Teamkilling
No Basecamping, except for strafing planes.

Tking is clear enough, and if you get a -3 score, there server should kick you, also, if you have many deaths and I see a minus score from outside the game, I'll use my itchy kicky trigger finger and sometimes, I'll even ask from outside the game about teamkillers, just to be sure.

When we say basecamping, we mean the main, 'untakable' bases, obviously not the conquest flag bases that convert over either way.

Basecamping is kinda variable too, we need to define it a little better on the server, I would like to have rules for various maps gametypes seperately, as clearly, open conquest maps (bloody basecampers!) are very different to infantry conquest maps and different again to CTF maps, (basecamping encouraged!) .

When you have all of the flags on a map, then by all means, wait a distance outside the main base and attempt to contain the nme, but driving/hanging around inside the nme base is just crappy.

The sniper thing bugs me in conquest, but not half as much as the tanks in the main base, I really hate that.

Strafing is cool, bombing runs and/or plane gunfire.

Heli's shouldn't basecamp.


I think that covers it, did I miss anything?

Woden

Originally posted by Lucutus


The sniper thing bugs me in conquest

does that mean its allowed though? just want to be sure, it would bug me as well if i was getting killed but fun to do the killing. i'm kinda starting to enjoy playing sniper especially in bocage

Lucutus

Some maps seem designed for sniping main bases, el al, for instance, has a bunker just east of the main opposition base for cover and has ammo. So I'd say the map designer had that in mind

Sniping the coalition on lost village tho, very very bold.

Whaddyahs reckon?

bizmark

i dont like snipers tbh

But there in the game.....and not designed to be running around in close combat so i guess they have to overlook a base to get some kills

Woden

Originally posted by Lucutus
Some maps seem designed for sniping main bases, el al, for instance, has a bunker just east of the main opposition base for cover and has ammo. So I'd say the map designer had that in mind

Sniping the coalition on lost village tho, very very bold.

Whaddyahs reckon?

hmm excellent idea must do that next time, tbh don't think it would make a huge difference, you kill one or two they respawn and snipe your ass then or they grab a heli and take a different spawn point. no more different then having a sniper near the factory

jank

one more question
do ye use your boards alais in DC or do ye change it to something completely different!?

i like to know who i am killing

bizmark

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Woden

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=142858

check out here for some of the users in game tags, i'm dataisgod in games also

TheHairyFairy

I was in the coalition base this evening. Had myself a 50 cal and all and was happily settling down for a bit of sniping. Looked over onto top of factory and Data was on it sniping as well.

He got killed and the fecking server switched him to coalition so he came straight over and killed me. It had taken me about 5 mins to get into the base and steal the 50 cal and get my pos for sniping.

Another reason to switch auto balance off. I'd imagine data laughed his dangly bits off.

The Fairy.

Woden

Originally posted by TheHairyFairy

He got killed and the fecking server switched him to coalition so he came straight over and killed me.

Another reason to switch auto balance off. I'd imagine data laughed his dangly bits off.

The Fairy.

well it wasn't straight over, you did shoot me when i respawned , and i was about to leave the base in a humvee when i said screw it and ran up the ladder got ya with the pistol twas fun

the_syco

Originally posted by Lucutus
Sniping the coalition on lost village tho, very very bold.

Sniping in the Lost Village is sweet. I usually go across the planks, settle down, and start sniping the people on top of the factory, those on the ground, and the ones who I generally see.
Also, sniping the snipers is great fun

Moriarty

He means walking across the map to the allied main spawn and sniping there.

bizmark

i fudgeing hate snipers!

Woden

Originally posted by Moriarty
He means walking across the map to the allied main spawn and sniping there.

thats still ok in my book, again as soon as they realise they have a sniper they will hunt you down like a dog, a dog i say

Washout

I used to think sniping base camping was a no no but to be honest after playing No fly zone ctf mode I changed my opinion.

Surely the team whos camp is being sniped would have the sense to team chat and discuss taking out said sniper?

its the blatently open tank raping in the base that i hate. specially on the repair pad.

BlueDrax

Originally posted by Washout
Surely the team whos camp is being sniped would have the sense to team chat and discuss taking out said sniper?

You'd think so. I spent a good couple of minutes trying to get my team to kill a sniper (Dataisgod). In the end I had to do it myself, with an RPG7 at long range.
Do snipers realise that they appear on AA radar?

BadCharlie

What server do you play on Dataisgod ? Give me the ip and i might join yee when i get bf/dc up and running again.

Woden

aye was a good shot drax, saw it coming at me and boom, didn't know i appeared on AA radar presumably thats the big gun thingy you where in?

Bad charlie a few of us round here play on cavan combat server

193.120.123.135:14567 think thats the ip address and you can find it on the all seeing eye gets full in the evenings quite frequently these days

data

TheHairyFairy

El Al is a good map to find snipers on. But if you are good enough stay outside those radar waves.

I hate teams that call you a basecamper while sniping. All they have to do is spawn as a sniper and find the fecker and nail him. Someone knife killed me on Lost Village the other night. I was mortified, but deserved it.

The Fairy.

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Moriarty

Any vehicles or troops (friend of enemy) come up as a blip on the radar with any vehicle that has it (eg; the fighters, the anti-air guns etc etc). Handy way to find hidden snipers.

Woden

Originally posted by TheHairyFairy
El Al is a good map to find snipers on. But if you are good enough stay outside those radar waves.

I hate teams that call you a basecamper while sniping. All they have to do is spawn as a sniper and find the fecker and nail him. Someone knife killed me on Lost Village the other night. I was mortified, but deserved it.

The Fairy.

yeah i've found my place on that map as well, its fun to snipe on, where do you get the 50cal from?

the_syco

Originally posted by Dataisgod
yeah i've found my place on that map as well, its fun to snipe on, where do you get the 50cal from?

Check inside the buildings near the main spwan points.

TheHairyFairy

Here is the location of all the re-spawnable kits, including the 50.cal sniper rifles.

A map with nothing but sniping would be cool.

The Fairy.

PS Good to see the [TiG] sigs used tonight.

bizmark

and we kicked ass 2

ssh

Originally posted by TheHairyFairy
El Al is a good map to find snipers on. But if you are good enough stay outside those radar waves.

I hate teams that call you a basecamper while sniping.

And we hate players who seem more interested in boosting their own score than actually playing a *TEAM* game. Why not go and do something useful, like capturing bases or something? Anyone can sit on a hill and pick people off as they spawn before they have a chance to get their bearings. There's no skill involved. Even if you do end up on the top of the scoreboard, people won't be overly impressed.

Woden

Originally posted by ssh
And we hate players who seem more interested in boosting their own score than actually playing a *TEAM* game

Who is we? snipers are an intricate part of the team just like any other members. if people are being killed before they can run and jump into choppers and the like that stops them from being able to take bases and what not allowing other team members who prefare to fly and capture flags to do so.

and who is overly impressed by anyone toping a scoreboard anyway?

data

p.s hairy thanks for the map

ssh

Originally posted by Dataisgod
Who is we? snipers are an intricate part of the team just like any other members. if people are being killed before they can run and jump into choppers

I can fly a chopper or fighter and achieve precisely the same thing. If you choose to play a slightly less appropriate class for a map like elal, please don't ruin the game for the rest of us.

Woden

Originally posted by ssh
I can fly a chopper or fighter and achieve precisely the same thing. If you choose to play a slightly less appropriate class for a map like elal, please don't ruin the game for the rest of us.

i am under no impression that i am ruining the game for anybody, if a group of people can't coordinate to clear a sniper out of a base imo they deserve to be cut down, there is no appropriate class superior or inferior (whether it be slightly or significantly) in any map imo its what you do with it that counts. nor should i decide for anybody what they class they should or shouldn't play in a given map.

if you are flying a chopper and a plane and achieving the goal of killing people before they can jump into a vechicle then i fail to see how it is different then sniping there base.

Regards

Data

Rev Hellfire

Personally I see nothing wrong with the odd sniper, as a rule they are mostly stationary and quite easy to remove once you've located them. Not really the same as a base camper.

Lucutus

I've been telling off/kicking opposition players sniping the coalition main base on dc_lostvillage.

In future I'll just destroy them in-game

Washout

Its a pure judgement call thing to be honest with ye.

I mean ppl will always be split both ways. I give yesterdays berlin for example. round 1 coalition got out and started grabbing the capture points which was good.

but round two oppisition had the upper hand from the start and had coalition pinned down in the non takeable spawn point for the entire round.

I was on coalition both rounds and didnt consider what the oppisition were doing as base camping in fact it was a rather enjoyable round trying to get out and get at least a foothold.
thats cause everyone was on foot.

but the crapiness comes in when ppl chute out over their enemy bases jump into t72...destroy all vehicles around them and then proceed to spawn rape..thats what base camping is in my eyes

TheHairyFairy

Hmmm. How to respond.

Sniping is a major part of the game. If a team has good pilots and they are ruling the map all you have to do is slap a sniper into or around their base and they will do well to make it to a plane.

If the dev team didnt want this kind ofplay why put a fecking 50.cal sniper rifle into the game?

Next people will say that you shouldnt play as sepcial ops coz the smoke makes it harder to see.

Anything goes in this game as long as it isnt paramount to cheating. If you get sniped then snipe back. Its as easy as that.

The Fairy.

bizmark

Anything goes in this game as long as it isnt paramount to cheating. If you get sniped then snipe back. Its as easy as that

Aye

And theres notting better than running a few snipers down with A-10 cannon fire

ssh

Bah. Evidently good sportsmanship is dead.

I still say attacking people inside an uncappable base using any weapon sucks. And I'll always strive to play on servers where that is a rule.

bizmark

Originally posted by ssh
Bah. Evidently good sportsmanship is dead.

I still say attacking people inside an uncappable base using any weapon sucks. And I'll always strive to play on servers where that is a rule.

I think your just complaning because snipers kill you big deal its a game and snipers are designed to stay in one place and fire at static/slow moveing players.....No where better than a base

ssh

Originally posted by bizmark
I think your just complaning because snipers kill you big deal its a game and snipers are designed to stay in one place and fire at static/slow moveing players.....No where better than a base

Allow me to paraphrase...

Apaches are designed to fire rockets from high onto clusters of armour. No better place for that than an uncappable base. Or much the same for tanks.. armour is designed to break through lines of mixed defences and cause a breakdown in communications in the opposing ranks. Sounds like that'd work nicely in an uncappable base.

See?

If you're playing tennis and your opponent has a strong serve volley style game, you work on getting your lobs right. Not trying to hit him in the face with the ball.

Instant Karma

snipers - i hate the class with a venom in fairness especially when there is a good one floating about..but ffs they ain't that hard to kill ..if your in a spawn and keep gettin picked off too feckin bad you shouldn't stand still!!....he's not camping if he's well outside the flag area which most snipers do..I mean, what fool hardy sniper is gonna go for close combat with a crap rifle?

the_syco

Originally posted by ssh
And we hate players who seem more interested in boosting their own score than actually playing a *TEAM* game. Why not go and do something useful, like capturing bases or something? Anyone can sit on a hill and pick people off as they spawn before they have a chance to get their bearings. There's no skill involved. Even if you do end up on the top of the scoreboard, people won't be overly impressed.

While my team goes for a flag, I snipe any the enemy. Esp the machinegunners who try to pin down my troops. I shot into teh head of teh machinegunner, and my man goes in + captures the flag.

Originally posted by ssh
I can fly a chopper or fighter and achieve precisely the same thing. If you choose to play a slightly less appropriate class for a map like elal, please don't ruin the game for the rest of us.

So what? I fly, with the same intent as sniping, except with a chopper, I kill tanks.

Originally posted by Lucutus
I've been telling off/kicking opposition players sniping the coalition main base on dc_lostvillage.

In future I'll just destroy them in-game

As I said before, sniping people in a untakable base is a big no-no. They have to be outside a perimeter, before I snipe them. The exception I make to this rule is if they're sniping me from their base. Then I snipe back.

Originally posted by ssh
Bah. Evidently good sportsmanship is dead.

I still say attacking people inside an uncappable base using any weapon sucks. And I'll always strive to play on servers where that is a rule.

Agreed. But only in an untakeable base.

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One thing to note; in No Fly Zone, as there's only 2 base's, all the above is allowed. But heck, thats only cos there's no other base's.