Do you dislike, Linkin park, Evenescence and the darkness for the wrong reasons?

AngelofFire

was talking to a group of 16 year old rockers today and i was astonished by their attitude towards rock music. They`ve been fans of pixies, nirvana, metallica etc for about 6 months and they think they know everything about rock music. one of them used to like the darkness but since he heard them being played on the radio station he pretends that he never liked them because they are "too commerical" and listening to them makes him look uncool in the eyes of his fellow rockers with their black leather and psuedo american accents. i mean people never had a problem with queen, guns and roses led zepplin etc being in the pop charts. why should people have a problem with evenescence linkin park etc being in the top 20.

Ok i accept there are people who dont like linkin park purely because of their music and i respect those people. but it seems many of the rockers that have appeared in the last 3 or 4 years seem to have a very poor perspective on music and only listen to bands who have become trendy such as metallica, nirvana etc. what does every one else think.

Töpher

Laughed my ass off at the final option! Sheer class! Don't like them because I don't like their work, nuff said tbh!

lodgepole

I'd agree that a lot of these kids dislike those rock acts for the wrong reasons. Same way a lot of people who listen to rock music dislike electronic music with an absolutely unnatural passion. The reality being that most look beyond their musical prejiduces by the time they reach 18 or 19....

UnrealQueen

I absolutely luv Linkin Park and The Darkness. I can't think why anyone would be ashamed to say they do. But ....you know teenagers.

nadir

I actually think all of those bands are ok, and I certainly aint ashamed to say it
and Ill pick a fight with anyone who disagress.

cournioni

Second option.

xx

I'd only say that I like Linkin Park out of the 3 bands mentioned. I have both of their albums which I really enjoy and stick on when I've reached my quota of Death & Industrial metal for the month (you can soooo f'ing OD on Industrial, its not even healthy). I like their mix of music, there's a little bit of something in there for everyone. Plus they've got the added factor that if you have friends around who aren't metal-heads, you can stick Linkin Park on and they won't be whining about it being too loud/can't hear the vocals/can't feel their heartbeat for all the bass etc etc. They're effectively user-friendly metal/rock.
I didn't go see 'em with Metallica but was a little cheesed off to hear that people were bottling them etc. FFS, people cry out when no rock/metal bands play here and what do they do when one of the largest one's plays here? Bottle them, thats what. Wankers.

eth0_

I like the Darkness because they're camp and they don't take themselves too seriously, UNLIKE Linkin Park who think they're the future of 'metal'. LP are absolutely woeful. The singer always looks like he's suffering from impacted stools. Seriously.
Evanescence, the singer has a nice voice but their music is such simpering, pseudo-goth nonsence!

But what would I know, i'm 22 and past it

Töpher

Yeah! Go home, old person!

Used to love hearing the radio ads for Evanesence's "Goth Anthem Bring me to Life", man that made me laugh!

Placebo

pseudo-goth nonsence!

so you like total goth music ?


i like LP and EV.

j0e9o

ido like linkin park and also another band not mentioned but getting in the same bracket lost prophets, i like these bands because to me the music they play sounds good, one thing i hate thou is that some of my m8's when i tell them this come out with "u dont have a clue" the only reason for ever disliking a band is that there music does sound good to you. I hate these ppl who try to be trendy rockers

Dont be at yourself

Is not liking them because they're shit the wrong reason?

Placebo

but getting in the same bracket lost prophets

was a fan when fakesoundofprogress came out, went to gig and also met them before and honestly after getting addicted to such hardcore music then coming across such **** as LAST TRAIN HOME and veiewing them talk about people classifying themselves wearing same types of clothes then looking at them then watching them on TRouble and MTV Hits, sellouts comes to mine but be that as it may i just got the album and it ****ing rocks, still dont like last train home but rest is ****ing ace.

Fobia

Originally posted by AngelofFire
was talking to a group of 16 year old rockers today and i was astonished by their attitude towards rock music. They`ve been fans of pixies, nirvana, metallica etc for about 6 months and they think they know everything about rock music. one of them used to like the darkness but since he heard them being played on the radio station he pretends that he never liked them because they are "too commerical" and listening to them makes him look uncool in the eyes of his fellow rockers with their black leather and psuedo american accents. i mean people never had a problem with queen, guns and roses led zepplin etc being in the pop charts. why should people have a problem with evenescence linkin park etc being in the top 20.

Ok i accept there are people who dont like linkin park purely because of their music and i respect those people. but it seems many of the rockers that have appeared in the last 3 or 4 years seem to have a very poor perspective on music and only listen to bands who have become trendy such as metallica, nirvana etc. what does every one else think.

A) Metallica, nirvana etc are fairly damn ****.
I hate all of the mentioned bands in the title cept Darkness, linkin Park: every song is the same. Evanescence: they are simply ****e . I love the pixies, I love zeppelin, I love many a band, but I took my time about 5 years ago learning to appreciate most genres of music, I never dismissed a band for being "uncool" that's just trying to be cool, the opposite of what rock is about. I despise all of these guys in my year at school who just come in one day with hoodies and some Metallica albums saying that they hate Good Charlotte and Slipknot, I am fully aware that both of these bands are crap, but that's not the point, you can't just become a "rocker" or "mosher" overnight, you have to know about good famous, non-mainstream and local bands in at least 3 genres tbh before you can even start, I know many good bands and have quite a large selection of music, but I wouldn't say that I know half as much as, say Angelwhore or Giblet (I pick these two as they are the masters of two completely different styles).


Exeunt

The Phenom

I hate Linkin Park I think all there song sorta sound the same. The Darkness ha id like to hear him try and sing a song without the big high piched screeching in it.
As for Evenescence M i don't mind them actually your one is a real good singer and i only really know 2 songs so i dont have an opinion.

Deadwing

Im afraid im a hardcore sellout, i actually like Evanescence. But thats probably down to the fact that i sooooooo would love to do the wild thing with Amy Lee

As for linkin park..i dont even rate them as metal. Theyre pop for people who like to think theyre rockers. Aka mini rockers.

dub_dan

does anybody like rap? Like dr.dre, xzibit, eminem, 50c etc.........etc......
Lyrical Geniuses!

AngelofFire

yeah i like rap alot.

the thing that bugs me about "rockers" these days is that they are too obsessed with image. i mean half of them like rock music for the wrong reasons. they are just trying to fit into a certain crowd rather than show appreciation for music. At the end of the day its just a music category, its not a cult that dictates your way of life.

Bungalow Bill

I don't think that Linkin park are the worst. I mean they are completely innoffensive sound and image wise. I certainly woulndn't insult metal by calling them so, they are a band for twelve or thirteen year olds, the next step up from barney to like for social acceptance if you will. I wouldn't get angry about them or anything.

And one thing, in fairness to them, nobody before has ever achieved such a coherent mix of melodic vocals and rapping like they have. Their sound is very unique.

Civilian_Target

I really dislike Linkin Park, although I'm not sure I ever gave them a chance, having heard of them before hearing them. While I'm not a fan, evanescene are more than tolerable, I would go so far as to say that ballad thing they released is pretty good.

As for the Darkness, I really liked them at first, but after a (very short) while the falsetto gets to me, and just when I couldn't tolerate it any more, it hit heavy rotation. Gah!

As for 15 year old rock-kids, well you just have to laugh at them. They come up to you, looking like a mini-me version of someone from Linkin Park and say how great Iron Maiden/RATM etc are and you just want to twat them. Leave me alone you little bastards, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK I'M COOL


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gucci

i detest linkin park from constant screamin down the microphone of their "singer",never really got in on evenescence but i likes d darkness cos their so cheesy and are nice and light (and easy-ish 2 play!very important!!)

Lemming

I voted the first option.

I rather like Evanescence oddly enough. I don't know much of their stuff but what I've heard I quite like.

The Darkness are the dogs b*llocks. I think they're great. They come across as laid back and just not giving a crap whether they're being cheesy or camp or what-not

But I detest LP. I just don't like their music at all.

Giblet

I like Led Zep, Gnr, Radiohead, Nirvana, Jimi, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, AC-DC, Frank Zappa, Stone Temple Pilots, Jeff Buckley.

Why, because they all rock.

And I've been listening to most of them Since I was 10 or 11, and people hate some of those bands for the wrong reasons.

The reason I dislike Linkin Park and Evanesance is simply because I don't like the music.

Civilian_Target

Giblet: Same as - I used to get slagged unmercifully in 6th class because I listened to the Beatles and Zeppelin instead of the Spice Girls.

feylya

And now, time for my 2 cents

I like those bands. I respect them for what that. I will gladly sit down and listen to Evanescence, the Darkness and LP. In fairness, they have some decent songs, they are successful, fair f*cks to them. It's good to listen to them as a guitarist because it gives different ideas of music and styles than I'd normally listen to.

End communication

weak infant

paulie getting brown nosed. ha. i think there's a whole other problem on top of this basic dislike of things because they are played on the radio or too commercial. it's the same except different, the higher ups(that's you paulie, probably, ignore me, i dont give a **** really) are guilty of it. take the recent critical acclaim of blink182's new album. all the critics turn around and say it's great because now they are taking things seriously, that they couldn't appreciate the bands previous efforts because it was too tongue in cheek, too cleverly marketed. the critics say, ah finally now the band is doing what we knew they were capable of, what we thought they should be doing all along. they heard the talent beforehand and ignored the good of any of it because of the enormous success of the music among young teens. which is a load of crap. music is music, like what you like because you like it, not because of any knock on social effects that claiming to like it might bring. fags.

Giblet

Dan, your just jealous because I like better bands than you, NOW BE GONE.

weak infant

i cut my hair took the drugs and sold out. life is good. untz untz untz.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by eth0_
Evanescence, the singer has a nice voice but their music is such simpering, pseudo-goth nonsence!

Evanscence simply stole Lacuna Coil's sound, a far superior band altogether.

It's just odd how Lacuna Coil had such a great and original sound, yet someone else ripping off that sound can be so god damn awful.

Töpher

Originally posted by AngelWhore
Evanscence simply stole Lacuna Coil's sound,

And then made it horrible to listen to.

AngelofFire

Originally posted by Deadwing


As for linkin park..i dont even rate them as metal. Theyre pop for people who like to think theyre rockers. Aka mini rockers.

you should of gone for the 3rd option.

ok i admit linkin park strictly speaking aren`t "the real thing "if you judge them purely in the context of metal. but as a band in general i rate them very highly.they are fantastic lyricists and mike is a brilliant rapper plus their style encompasses many forms of music that i listen to, rock, hip hop, electronica,orchestal etc. the reason why so many rockers dislike them is because they are judged against metallica, pantera etc. if you judged them as music acts and not get bogged down in categorising them as pop or metal etc you would have a clearer perspective. forgive me if im patronising i dont mean to. im just adding to the debate.

Fobia

is anyone going to actually vote for the third option tbh? I've already given my 3 cents on the topic, as have many a person, but I honestly don't think many nerds are the type who dislike a band just because their friends would laugh at them if they liked one (mainly because alot of nerds have few/no friends, unfortunately).

That is now 4 cents on this topic from Kwetzal

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by AngelofFire
ok i admit linkin park strictly speaking aren`t "the real thing "if you judge them purely in the context of metal. but as a band in general i rate them very highly.they are fantastic lyricists and mike is a brilliant rapper plus their style encompasses many forms of music that i listen to, rock, hip hop, electronica,orchestal etc.

"Good Lyricists" is pretty debatable, but more of an opinion, so I'm not going to argue with you on that. However. I disagree that they encompass many forms of music. A more accurate term would be that they take a bare flavour of those different genres to make it sound like they are vaguely "Crossover" or "Original" in their sound.

But lets face facts here, Linkin Park aren't doing anything that Faith No More haven't done years previously. And it's not just compared to metal that Linkin Park fail to measure up. You say they're encompassing electronica, but compared to Tweaker they're rubbish. Compared to Blackalicious they're rubbish. Compared to Mozart they're rubbish.

Originally posted by AngelofFire
the reason why so many rockers dislike them is because they are judged against metallica, pantera etc. if you judged them as music acts and not get bogged down in categorising them as pop or metal etc you would have a clearer perspective. forgive me if im patronising i dont mean to. im just adding to the debate.

To be quite honest, my issue isn't really with the fact that they aren't exactly 'As good' as other bands, because there's always going to be something better, my issue is that they're simply Faith No More re-packaged, and sold off again as new to make big bucks for the record company, yet all the ignorant kids think they're being original. Much in the same way that Evanescence is nothing more than a re-packaged Lacuna Coil.

I think a lot of people need to go out and get some Faith No More.

Placebo

"Original" in their sound.

It is Original.
You cant compare it to Faith no More ! Lostprophets are closer to FNM than linkin park! Plus linkin parks music is at a different level than FNM, more upbeat, very very different, some would even say better, that someone be me.
Maybe it doesnt seem new to you, but i do think its something new.

Karl Hungus

I'd certainly say they've a different sound to Faith No More in one sense... It's a lot more 'Pop'.

Sarky

The Darkness? I like them. Good sound, decent voice, competent musicianship. And the cheese factor, naturally.

Evanescence? Not bad. Some crap songs, but some very nice ones too.

Linkin Park? They're good at what they do, I'll give them that. It's just that I think that what they do is pretty rubbish to start with.

I judge bands on how much I like their music. I quite like The Darkness, because I like their music and showmanship. I have a soft spot for Evanescence because they certainly have their moments (although I must have a look at this Lacuna Coil that Ken mentions...).

I dislike Linkin Park because they almost always utterly fail to impress me. There are one or two songs that I'll listen to, but not often. They seem to me to be repetitive (how about that album reanimation that really wasn't just a cheap re-release of Hybrid Theory with a few more synthesizers bolted on? )and whiny.

markomac316

I dont like Linkin Park, or Evenescene but I like The Darkness. People always critcise me because I Good Charlotte are my favourite band so I know what it feels like to be a Linkin Park fan and get called a wannabe etc.

All my friends like Radiohead, Nirvana, The Pixies, AC-DC, Iron Maiden, Slayer etc etc but they always give me credit for not joining on the band wagon with everyone else.

Instead Im the odd ball cause I listen to Good Charlotte, Rancid, Stiff Little Fingers, NO-FX, Blink182, and other punk bands.

Civilian_Target

Oooh, sore spot there Mac. Stiff Little Fingers, yes, but I wouldn't particularly consider Blink182 etc to be Punk.

Punk IMO is SLF, Undertones, Clash, Distillers, etc. none of which sounds like blink182.

Bungalow Bill

"Im the odd ball cause I listen to Good Charlotte"

Ok listen to them a couple more times and then just be SURE that you think they are good.
They suck like simply red and a steps comeback tour.

markomac316

Of course I think they are good I've been listening to them for the guts of four years.

Blink182 are punk just a different kinda punk from SLF, Distillers, The Undertones etc. To bad Busted had to go kill The Undertones by releasing Teenage Kicks, what a fook up they made of that.

Ameirgin

I like Linkin Park. No they may not be overly original, and there re-releasing the same album as remixes sucks, but they are genrally pretty good at what they do, and I think they are pretty fine live.

I like what I have heard of Evanescence , and I plan on listening to a lot more.

the Darkness - well, I'll just not go there. It's not that I'm not afan of their style of music - in fact, musically, they are brilliant. It's just that singer's voice gets right on my nerves. Gimme Coverdale, Plant or Gillan - I love a good singer. But for goodness sake stop that guy's tuneless screeching! He can't actually hit the damn notes properly, and it's frustrating to listen to. If they replaced him singing (he's not a bad guitarist), they they would have a really good band!

That's my two cents

Unpossible

I actually liked linkin parks first album, I stopped listening to them when they brought out the remixed version. I heard their last album at the metallica gig and to be honest they deserved to be bottled for that god awful C**p they insisted was "music",
That was also where i saw the darkness for the first time & they really impressed me. As for Evenscence I havent heard much of their stuff but it sounds interesting, a mate of mine said they were good so I might *ahem* "Borrow" the album off him

LightofDarkness

Okay, here's a full 10 cents for you all....

First off, I really dislike Linkin Park. If their music wasn't ****ty enough, they are a, wait for it.... MANUFACTURED BAND. That's right, they were all assembled in a TALENT AGENCY and thus under the direct spotlight of record labels, big ones, who could market them and put enough money behind them to make them appeal and make them sell. Originally, the first album had guitar solos, but they were removed at the demand of the label. Absolute BS.

Evanescence have a similar situation, clever marketing allowed their rise to fame. The label execs thought "Ooh, a hot hot chick demi-goth singer and a crap band that sound like the recently famous Linkin Park! WHAT COULD BE BETTER!!!"

The Darkness, for all intents and purposes, are a decent band. They PLAY their instruments and their music how they like it and admit to being a piss-take. They're laughing all the way to the bank, too.

Interesting to listen to LP and Evanescence as a guitarist? PLEASE. Down-tunings and crummy distorted "riffs" give as much inspiration as llamas and watching how slow snails move.

What really gets to me is how Linkin Park became famous for doing JACK ****. Other bands, really good bands deserving of contracts don't get them, while these bands earn millions for their luxury. It's a joke.

You can poke your sticks at Metallica all you want but they EARNED their money. They worked hard for over 20 years to be where they are now.

PS: Linkin Park are classed as POP-METAL. Such a contradiction I have never heard. Not that metal is by definition unpopular, but the pop element comes from comparisons to folk like Justin Timberlake and boybands, except these guys play guitars and appeal to many 12 year old "metal" fans too. Make fun of Limp Bizkit all you want, but Linkin Park and Evanescence aren't much better.

Deadwing

Originally posted by AngelofFire
you should of gone for the 3rd option.

Oh please, i was hanging out with 'the kids at the bank' when Kurt Cobain killed himself 10 years ago. i leave kiddie bands like linkin park for the kiddies at the bank. And yeah..Mikes rapping is right up there with Grand master flash's 'The message'

"o motha f*cka, the other day my moms told me to clean my bedroom,
AND IM ABOUT TO BREAK!!!!!
****ity f*ck motha f*cka, so i screamed real loud to show how
IM ABOUT TO BREAK!!!!!!
and then i had to do my damn homework bizznitch, and yah
IM ABOUT TO BREAK!!!!!
and then i didnt wanna eat my damn vegetables and did i mention that
IM ABOUT TO BREAAAAAAAK!!!!"

xx

Originally posted by AngelWhore
...they're simply Faith No More re-packaged, and sold off again as new to make big bucks for the record company...

No fuckin' way is any nu metal band nearly as good as FNM. Thats fuckin' blasphemy that is.

Emboss

Originally posted by weak infant
i cut my hair took the drugs and sold out. life is good. untz untz untz.

That's called puberty well done..you've reached it

xx

Sounds more like Old Age to me.

eth0_

Originally posted by LightofDarkness

Evanescence have a similar situation, clever marketing allowed their rise to fame. The label execs thought "Ooh, a hot hot chick demi-goth singer and a crap band that sound like the recently famous Linkin Park! WHAT COULD BE BETTER!!!"

You're so right. Evanescence are a BLATANT rip off of another hugely talented band....Lacuna coil. The girl from Ev. has a good voice but really, that's as far as my praise of them extends. Christina Scabbia all the way, woo!

Emboss

Originally posted by LightofDarkness
Okay, here's a full 10 cents for you all....

First off, I really dislike Linkin Park. If their music wasn't ****ty enough, they are a, wait for it.... MANUFACTURED BAND. That's right, they were all assembled in a TALENT AGENCY and thus under the direct spotlight of record labels, big ones, who could market them and put enough money behind them to make them appeal and make them sell. Originally, the first album had guitar solos, but they were removed at the demand of the label. Absolute BS.

Evanescence have a similar situation, clever marketing allowed their rise to fame. The label execs thought "Ooh, a hot hot chick demi-goth singer and a crap band that sound like the recently famous Linkin Park! WHAT COULD BE BETTER!!!"

The Darkness, for all intents and purposes, are a decent band. They PLAY their instruments and their music how they like it and admit to being a piss-take. They're laughing all the way to the bank, too.

Interesting to listen to LP and Evanescence as a guitarist? PLEASE. Down-tunings and crummy distorted "riffs" give as much inspiration as llamas and watching how slow snails move.

What really gets to me is how Linkin Park became famous for doing JACK ****. Other bands, really good bands deserving of contracts don't get them, while these bands earn millions for their luxury. It's a joke.

You can poke your sticks at Metallica all you want but they EARNED their money. They worked hard for over 20 years to be where they are now.

PS: Linkin Park are classed as POP-METAL. Such a contradiction I have never heard. Not that metal is by definition unpopular, but the pop element comes from comparisons to folk like Justin Timberlake and boybands, except these guys play guitars and appeal to many 12 year old "metal" fans too. Make fun of Limp Bizkit all you want, but Linkin Park and Evanescence aren't much better.

Well f*ck me stupid, a manufactured band well i NEVER!

what band isn't these days? 9/10 now all are in some form or another

and it was happening long before linkin park so linkin park were put together so what? i don't like them personally although when it comes to lyrics alot of the songs are at least half intelligent...if you could just shut the singer up and dj poxy chong or whatever his name is. but they can all play their instruments

so could the beatles...but 90% of the beatles was manufactured FOR them huge production teams behind them so the beatles are a load of crap too right?

debating on what band is better than another is always retarded unless it's a debate on say a drumers technical ability and you can _Actually_ play the drums and have an educated opinion on it.

you say the darkess are decent, i think they're the bunch of morons and when you see quality hard working bands especially in ireland it kills me to see twats like this earning money from being clowns.

so who's right? me? you?

back on topic kids will be kids and will always want to look cool in front of their friends this will never change be it clothes/music insert whatever random crap is cool at the time.

Bungalow Bill

"and it was happening long before linkin park so linkin park were put together so what? i don't like them personally although when it comes to lyrics alot of the songs are at least half intelligent...if you could just shut the singer up and dj poxy chong or whatever his name is. but they can all play their instruments"

While not a Linkin Park fan I really don't see people's big problem with them. I'm almost sure they have more closet fans than people who say they do.
Record companies have huge influence these days even over 'credible' artists.
Take Ryan Adams for example who couldn't release 'Love is Hell' because it was 'too dark'.
People's main problem seems to be that Linkin Park are marketed to attract a certain demographic, (ie skater kids). But this is the very same for every other artist. Not least Metallica who are apparantly far more credible. If you ask me Linkin Park are far more adventurous and listen to-able than Metallica.
Being brutally honest I think that it is fashionable to slag Linkin Park and a lot of people succumb to that.
The fact that they were assembled in a talent agency should be irrelevant to everyone as it should be the end product that counts. After all Legends like Frank Sinatra and Elvis were 'manufactured' and even worse didn't even write their own songs!

Karl Hungus

I think what you've got to understand emboss is that the average metal head appreciates the fact that the average metal band is not something constructed by a record company, and who doesn't have their song written for them. They appreciate that the metal bands are very much 'As Is' and are creating music without any hidden hand pulling the strings for the sole reason of making money.

So the idea that a metal band is manufactured is almost offensive. And comparison with the beatles certainly isn't accurate, or subjective seeing as the pop industry has had wave after wave of manufactured bands churned out year after year. What you're not taking into account is that the genre of metal is the exact opposite of the pop industry, in the sense that a manufactured band hasn't really been seen before.

Sure, in the grand sceme of things, a manufactured band isn't something you'd take notice, but a manufactured METAL band!? Now THAT'S something to write home about!