The Quake 3 Scene in Ireland

Yup_Yup

I want to raise a couple of opinions of mine regarding the Quake 3 scene in Ireland. This is not supposed to be a negative post and if anyone takes it as so. Well tuff titty!

1. The Quake 3 scene and individual skills of players in Ireland are of a very high standard (Much higher than Wireplay, Mplayer, The Zone etc.)
2. It is a very well run community by MindPhuck etc. with people dedicating a lot of there spare time to running it.
3. There is a minority of arrogant players that make the scene somewhat inaccessible to newbees like myself. Young muppets that presume that because you are new to Q3 you have no skill. This is Fugging Stupid as a lot of new players are so called ninjas at other games and someday soon will wipe the floor with the arrogant little ****ants. This does scare people off and frustrates others though who would be an asset to the scene.
4. It is hard to get a friendly practice game.
5. Q3 is a very ruled by one thing as far as I can see Ping and it does not have the balanced gameplay of UT, CS etc.
6. There does not seem to be any CTF or RA?

tHE vAGGABOND

balanced gameplay of UT - ROFL

Cake Fiend

If you want CTF, go play UT
hopefully we can get an RA server up tho

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DeVore

Pretty much bang on YupYup.

you shouldnt have to play UT to play CTF but then UT-CTF is a blast too.

(I'd like to get a game of UT ctf going at Anilan too)

DeV.

Vorosha

The bloodstained wastelands of the Quake 3 arenas are not for the over sensitive. Fight to the death and fight for honour or do not fight at all...

MindPhuck

2. It is a very well run community by MindPhuck etc. with people dedicating a lot of there spare time to running it.

Er, thanks. FYI, other people who help may not have their name attached in big lights, but are just as important. M1ke, Bunny, Zero, Devore, Regi, Cloud, Jedi, Slosh, Paladin, Sonic are just names off the top of my head. Without these people, things just wont go. (apologies if i missed ppl )


3. There is a minority of arrogant players that make the scene somewhat inaccessible to newbees like myself...

Some things will never change.


4. It is hard to get a friendly practice game.

If you know who these ppl are, stay clear of them and talk to the more mature clans and people, you almost guaranteed a game and some advice if nothing else.


5. Q3 is a very ruled by one thing as far as I can see Ping and it does not have the balanced gameplay of UT, CS etc.

Ping helps you be good, but you can still suck with a low ping.
UT is not a balanced teamplay game.
How can you compare CS to Q3? Err different games alltogether.


6. There does not seem to be any CTF or RA?

Yes. There is huge following of CTF (CTF - Origionally created by the Quake ppl) and a vast audience of RA people. In Ireland, there is not alot of either

El_Presidente

Yep, its a b1tch.

Zero

my 1.5 cents.

Originally posted by Yup_Yup:
1. The Quake 3 scene and individual skills of players in Ireland are of a very high standard (Much higher than Wireplay, Mplayer, The Zone etc.)
2. It is a very well run community by MindPhuck etc. with people dedicating a lot of there spare time to running it.
3. There is a minority of arrogant players that make the scene somewhat inaccessible to newbees like myself. Young muppets that presume that because you are new to Q3 you have no skill. This is Fugging Stupid as a lot of new players are so called ninjas at other games and someday soon will wipe the floor with the arrogant little ****ants. This does scare people off and frustrates others though who would be an asset to the scene.
4. It is hard to get a friendly practice game.
5. Q3 is a very ruled by one thing as far as I can see Ping and it does not have the balanced gameplay of UT, CS etc.
6. There does not seem to be any CTF or RA?

1. Yes, we rock

3. If you are having any trouble from little prícks, (one in particular springs to mind), people like that can be sorted out, just post it in here and it can be dealt with.

4. That's because certain clans attitudes leave a bad taste in ppls mouths. nD will give IR games any weekend they want.

5. It's as balanced as most games : if ure good you win, if you arent u dont.

6. CTF is something we have to get onto. IGN have secured another server for IOL, so we might hassle them to put it up as CTF, I think we would all like that, get someone to run a CTF league.

Spoonman

Originally posted by MindPhuck:
UT is not a balanced teamplay game.

Could you be more specific please, I'd be intrested to know why people think that. Are you talking about DM or CTF in particular? what exactly is not balanced about it? I know this is not the UT board but people brought it up here.

Yup_Yup

You are right MindPhuck. sorry to all the people I did not mention in this post but i was in work when I wrote the post and MindPhuck's name sprang to mind.

The post is meant to stir debate and not to put down the Irish Q3 scene.

We do have a limited supply of clans and players and I was trying to help make the scene more open to newbees like m0self. I am a above average player in normal terms and a below average player so far in Irish terms it seems. Potenial will shine through and the Legand of Yup will live forever.

The whole nd v IR thing has fug all to do with anything and I was not implying anything on that topic. nd played a rematch (Fair Play)unoffical as it was and i was happy with that even though we got our ass's kicked !<

Ping does make a big diff tho.

Any Way lads dont be so serious.

Frag ya soon

Baz (The Peoples Champion)
A.K.A. Yup_Yup Esquire the 2nd

Zero

nah ure picking us up wrong, nobody is saying anything serious, most are agreeing with you.
When I said nD will play IR any weekend ye want, it was nuthin to do the the IQ3CL, I mean that if you lads want practise games in the future we can play.

Yup_Yup

Sound as a pound on the ground getting licked by a hound while he was running round and round and round until it was found by fred.

TOWN

IGN have secured another server for IOL, so we might hassle them to put it up as CTF, I think we would all like that, get someone to run a CTF league.[/B][/QUOTE]

hey zero, around when whould server be running and YES it whould be sound to get a ctf going on it.
As rgards to YupYups comment i can see where your coming from,some bad vibes (somtimes)but ya cant be a sensitive fuker,ya have to be strong overcome and to hell with the begrudging lepers

m1ke

CTF is a great idea, i've got a load of ctf fettish heads in Bio who'd just love to play on some IE servers.

But there's hardly a tdm scene atm so

We can only really work with the players we have :5 active clans, 2 pseudo active clans ... how many of them would be for ctf I wouldn't know.

the fnj

Being a newbie to Q3 I would have to agree! Although I was lucky to have contacts in the Q3 comunity through work who were more than happy to show me the ropes. These same people are still happy to beat me by 20 frags whenever I feal like a game :-). Speaking of ignorant little f*ckers, one does spring to mind who I won't even bother naming because you all know who he is.

At the end of the day it is a computer game and I want to enjoy it and not have to worry that my rail ain't up to scratch etc.

So to all those willing to help me out and rape me to **** (and not make too much fun of my "lack of l33tness") when I need a game cheers. You know who you are!

havok*

Ye getting into the quake scene can be quite difficult if u dont know any1 already in it.
Luckily for me i did.
esp for sorting out a proper config, and general training.
I only starting playing quake in college for the first time around march this year. Sico used to utterly rape me on our college lan when i started. The rest is history.......

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Clan Acid
Clan Bio

SHADOW

well I came to the scene with VERY little knowledge at all. I had just started playing Q3, I was crap (even worse than you FANJ!!)

I had been in net house for a few of the gaming nights down in Ranelagh (this was b4 I worked for them) and got kinda friendly with Coyote and Chief. Sound guys who showed me Cloudboards. The old boards.ie.

I would agree that there are a few muppets in the community that are unfriendly types AND alot of ppl can be aloof (on irc) if they dont know you.

I think that if, as a newbie, you have respect for the ppl that have been around for a while and if you dont just go mouthin off all the time you will find a farily warm welcome. I did.
:-)
At the end of the day the more ppl in the Quake community the better things are for everyone.

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Vorosha

sound as a pound that you found on the ground being licked by a hound who was bound to a mound and was running around until his leash unwound and was sadly found in a nearby pond drowned.

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2040

not enough clans around by half imo

..and there could easily be, theres plenty of players around - maybe someone should give it ago?

Jay

I think the main reason Q3 is a different scene, is that it is now a profesional sport.

You can't expect to walk into a running track the day of a competition with little training, and expect to like losing.

If you want to be good at it you need a LOT of dedication and practice. I think Q3 failed as a game that attracts newbies, in my opinion, most q3'ers are ex qw'ers or q2'ers. This gives them a great advantage.

This is where UT and CS get their players, it is easy for anybody to hop in and enjoy it, it is less serious and professional competitions are few and far between.

Rev Hellfire

Ahh the old my "game is a sport" argument has to be raised, and therefore harder to get into.

Rubbish pure rubbish. I can assure u that CS is taken just as seriously as Q3 when it comes down to tactics, as is UT or any online game.

It has always seemed to me to be used as an excuse by a (small) group of players to intimidate new players, and as a means to exclude them.

Rev Hellfire

Point taken, I wasnt saying all quake 3 players are elitest .

But one interesting point which should be noted is that all the other 'newbie' friendly games are team based or the servers are setup that way.

I dont believe the problem is Quake3 itself, since EF uses the same engine and is pretty much full of newbies and clans each night, but most EF servers are setup as CTF or TEAM DM. Maybe the IGN ones should be setup that way, it creates a more balanced play for the high pinger, and newbies alike.

Shiminay

Last time I looked games1 and vishnu ran Orange Smoothie - a team play competition mod (correct me if I'm wrong). I do think that team play is encouraged here. FFA is an option with OSP, but it's aimed at teams/duels.

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Chubby

Originally posted by Rev Hellfire:
I dont believe the problem is Quake3 itself, since EF uses the same engine and is pretty much full of newbies and clans each night, ...

The game/graphics engine that powered Quake3 and EF is great but the problem IS Quake3. The idea behind is old. People are sick of deathmatches, ffa, duels. People go for whatever's new and fun. EF has that going for it with all those phasers and whatnot plus all those Star Trek fans giving it a go. Give it a few more months and it'll die off like Kingpin. That is unless the many Star Trek fans keep it going.

El_Presidente

For my money Quake 3 offers the most challenge because the most skillful players play it.

I can see the arguement though that a newbie being dropped onto a server will barely take a step or two before some low pinger smells fresh meat and opens up on him.

Rev Hellfire

I agree with you. My point was that Quake3 in itself is not the problem. I dont think people are sick of DM, team DM, CTF or what ever, otherwise all those other games wouldnt be as popular.

Maybe its simply that Quake 3 is dead in Ireland, everything has its time.

[This message has been edited by Rev Hellfire (edited 26-10-2000).]

TOWN

As we speak id are working on the next add on for q3,they know q3 arena was not a team based game ,thats why this next pack is a team mission pack or some pi$$ like that,there is also a new mod due to be released soon,is been worked on for over a year now, "Navy quake seals "its called,that mod will have a cs theme to it,http://www.captured.com chesk it out.
If there is other people dying for team play in q3 there are some brill mods on this site,there big downloads but chri$t its worth it,W.F.A and classic ctf ,2 of my fav,u wont win or last in them if u dont play as a team;$hit im on the edge of my seat playing this game some nights,the intencity is so much,Keep er lit lads.

Zero

Q3 wont die over here, the 30 or so ppl that might play it regularly will keep playing it, so even if the scene stays small, it's still Irish Q3.

SickBoy

PLD

Yup_Yup

Maybe we should all take up Botcha.

What skill

What poise

1. 2. 3.

B O T C H A

Evil Yup Yup (He does not come out often)

Zero

That's bullshít.
Obviously CS has tactics, serious tactics, but Jay is talking about something different.
It's nothing to do with excuses we make. Us lads in Irish Q3 are trying lots of things to get new ppl playing, I offer help here anytime someone has a question, its nothing to do with bull**** attitudes other than the small few. Q3 is an absolute bítch to come to terms with. I loaded q3 onto a guy's machine in the office here yesterday, coz he watches us playing and thinks its cool. You want to see the guy try to take in Tourney4 basic tactics, and figure out how we move around the level 3 times faster than him. Jay isnt starting a "my games better than ure game" argument, he is pointing out how much of a bítch Quake3 is to get into, and all help we can give in the world doesnt help a newbie who gets on vishnu with 20 pingers railing him out of it as he spawns.

Look at it this way, if Q3 Team.ie played UT for a week, and UT Team.ie played Q3 for a week, and they played both games, guarantee u Beast and Ser would clean up.

Chubby

Zero:
complete newbies to the genre, not just to quake3, will always take a long time to learn the game and basic tactics. The Quake3 scene is dead cause there's not enough people playing it for 2 main reasons.

1). It's not newbie friendly. It's too easy for skilled players with low pings to dominate maps and games. It's no fun for newbies and it takes too long to get up to speed to be able to compete with veterans and there are other alternatives.

Other games like CS, UT, Tribes etc give newbies plenty of time to adjust and learn on random pub servers as most games are team games and not ffa where they run around like headless chickens and get blow up every few seconds. The other games are also offers more variety of gameplay to accommodate people who don't want to play ffa or deathmatch or team deathmatch.

2). People not new to the first person shooters are sick of deathmatches and rocket launchers etc. Some people want realism, some people want teamplay. Quake3 just offers nothing new so you get mostly old school qw players playing it along with some new blood while the majority of gamers and new gamers look at the other games.

Shiminay

It has to be said that Q3A is not as Newbie Friendly as (for example) UT. Didn't people notice that UT was voted a better game in so many mags/reviews primarily because of this.

It's a very serious game (at least it is the way we play here in Ireland) and maybe it detracts from the fun element somewhat - the proof is the craic we had playing QW again in the Generations leage last week. I for one had a ball and I got kicked around the place. QW and (Quake 1 in general) seemed to be much easier to get into than Q3A (can't speak for Q2 - don't play it).

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All the best,

Offy

Firstly anyone whos a gamer wont have much trouble getting used to Q3, i dident find it very different to Q1.
Secondly Kharn thx for Q1 and QW, spent many a happy hour planing.

SantaHoe

From a newbie mindset, why would anyone want to play Q3 online with a 250ms ping, getting raped by a server of ninja LPBs, when you can have a rewarding game against the bots, where lag isn't an issue, and you can play opponents of equal skill.

I enjoy a good game of QW, Q2, Q3 online, but since IGN's Quake servers are usualy empty, I'd be forced to play on a forign server (and on a modem, forign pings are far from pretty - esp. with Q3).
And TBH, I can't be àrsed begging people in #quake.ie to have a game.

I'll join in a Quake session if I see one on, but most of the time the game's in progress and I don't know wether to join or not... so I just spec or leave.
Compare that to Half-Life (TF & CS), where you just join and jump in without anyone complaining.

I'd like to see a regular Q3-FFA server, so people can just jump in and play, without having to spec for 10mins.

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Cake Fiend

Aye, back in the (relatively recent) days of quake3-1.ign.ie, a younfla could hop on a server and enjoy a bit of quick FFA without being told to F off because whoever was playing a duel or a TDM. The only problem is, the servers seem to be empty so often these days that you'd wonder if it would be worth the bother to have say games1 as an FFA server (with a duel/RA3 port) and vishnu as a TDM server (with a duel/promode port)

Although I'd love a bit of regular Red Rover...

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m1ke

When q3 started out with a small 10 person ffa server back when the first iq3cl was being played it was quite regularly being played on... and full a lot of the time.... but then the novelty of it wore off and a lot of people that found themselves bein smacked down left for CS

Really the only way to enjoy quake3 is on isdn, in an active clan or two ... so you can play lots of clan games, league games and supplement the rest of ffas,clan arena etc.. on uk servers.... which can be quite decent.... unfortunately this is the only way to enjoy q3... its not like the old q2/q1 days of lots of games and no one knowing what ping was.

All you can do is get the very most out of q3 as you can.... and one day a game will come along and recreate a big decent scene in ireland.....

damo

*yawn*

CH

Well as a newB, i think Q3 in Ireland sux.

I want to play a bit of Q3, but the Irish servers are empty all the time (see THE DESTROYER's post on 'secret servers'), and my ping is unplayable on overseas servers.

From what i can tell, Q3 in Ireland is going nowhere. So its back to CS for me.

Illkillya

get gamespy

Zero

Originally posted by CH:
From what i can tell, Q3 in Ireland is going nowhere. So its back to CS for me.

Going nowhere? Give us a ring when the CS team manages to get into big European Finals, win a Fournations comp that brings them overseas with free hotels and beer. Team.ie has been to France, Scotland and London in less than 18 months, and have recognition now in Europe, and a lump of us now going to Cologne for the CPL.
The Q3 scene in Ireland might only have 40 odd players, but in my opinion it's the best one to be in, most of the lads are dead sound, when we meet up for beer the crack is savage, because the scene is smaller its more personal, we generally all get on. We might all be crusty old QW players, but when the Irish Q3 crowd go abroad or to a LAN, it turning more and more into a bunch of mates, which is cool.
Most importantly, Irish Q3 has a Sonic, how could play a game that doesn't have a Sonic? Have you no shame? May God have mercy on your soul.

Hawwwww-Click!

El_Presidente

Totaly agree.

As far as I am concerned the Irish Quake 3 scene may be small and it may be very hard to get net games going etc. but the average player is of a very high standard (just go onto a forigen ffa server to see what I mean)and when there is a meet up for a LAN or for the whole team3.ie thing everyone has a good laugh and plays some good games.

Hobbes

Originally posted by Zero:
Going nowhere? Give us a ring when the CS team manages to get into big European Finals....

lol hey CS hasn't even shipped yet (December) we'll see then.

Although I wouldn't worry about anyone getting anywhere. They would all complain doing something (like camping a bomb site, or playing a VIP) would ruin thier stats.

CH

OK, after the above post from Zero, id like to take my foot out of my mouth and confirm my Q3 newBness. Fair enough Q3 in Ireland is going places, and going there very well.

What i was trying to get across was that it's very hard to get a game on the Irish servers. So you have a small, but good group of gamers here in Ireland. Well thats the way its gona stay...small. If you read the post by 'the destroyer' about secret servers, some1 replyed saying that there are secret servers. Therefore if an intrested newB like myself cant get to play ppl (and improve) on the regular servers,then whats the point in me sticking around in Q3. Thats why i said 'back to CS', not to compare the two games or how well certain teams were doing.

Regards.

SheroN

Zero's points are valid...but what chance does a newbie have of going aboard for beer and the likes when he's playing against someone on a machine 2 times as fast as his...with a 10th of his ping and 4 years experience of playing similar games?..like im not gonna waste hundreds of quids to go to colonge to get smacked around by better players...the beer might be good..but i could go on the **** here 10 times over with the money i'd spend on that one **** up.
anyway...umm....

Hobbes

Good point Sheron. I think the main factor is those new players if they were to play against the more experienced straight off would probably quit or complain that they were being forced off the server.

Heck I still have nightmares playing CT. I never lived longer then 5 seconds, and that was only because most of them went to the bar to get some drinks in.

GreenHell

On the point about newbies I can remember coming into this community last christmas and playing in the iq3l and it was a great time to be getting involved in this commmunity the atmosphere was completely differant there was alot of energy in the community. Nows it completely changed I have only seen a handfull of new players arrive into the community and start playing q3. If you look at the players list for iq3cl you can only pick out a few new names and this is sad.

If you look at the half life side of the community I have seen loads of people entering new and being encouraged.

Q3 doesn't have the interest which cs/tf arouses but its still a good game + looking at 2 empty q3 servers every night compared to 4 full cs server and 2 full tf servers is a bit depressing

Bunny

Q3 requires a really fast machine and is almost unplayable on modem compared to UT, CS, etc.

On the flipside theres a whole bunch of us who don't have computers/connections who still manage to play it.