Keane's at it again

super_furry · 19-02-2004 8:28pm #1

'Hinting' at a return to international football. Can't he just let it lie?

uberwolf · 19-02-2004 8:29pm

Is he hinting? or is some journalist spinning some off the cuff remark to make it seem like he may?

Villain · 19-02-2004 8:30pm

Originally posted by uberwolf
Is he hinting? or is some journalist spinning some off the cuff remark to make it seem like he may?

**** him, wanker we don't want him back, he turned his back on hsi country when it needed him.

Ah now I feel much more relaxed:p

super_furry · 19-02-2004 8:32pm

No, it's him. Direct quotes like "I have always said I have missed international football - but then felt it was important to move on. But part of me has always said that I had unfinished business and it will always be that way.

I don't think it would be as simple as me saying that I would come back to international football. It would be down to Brian Kerr - it's as simple as that really. It would probably be unfair on the players and Brian while it would also create a lot of media frenzy.

It might upset some of the players so I don't believe that it's as simple as saying that I would be available for selection again."

I wish he'd just let it go and let the team and supporters get on with it. All this will do is drag up old arguments among fans and raise the spectre of everything that should be left in the past.

Villain · 19-02-2004 8:34pm

Source??

super_furry · 19-02-2004 8:35pm

It's on aertel among others.

ZENER · 19-02-2004 8:38pm

**** him, wanker we don't want him back, he turned his back on hsi country when it needed him.

What do you mean WE don't want him back? Do you speak for everyone here now? Who elected you as spokesperson for everyone on Boards.ie ?

I would love to see him in a green shirt again.

The goings on at Saipan have been debated to death here and there are those who say he turned his back on his country and others who say he was sent home. I believe he was sent home !

I can't see him coming back though and I believe this is a quote taken out of context by some twit reporter just trying to stir the $h!t again.

Tinky

Villain · 19-02-2004 8:39pm

Originally posted by tinky
What do you mean WE don't want him back? Do you speak for everyone here now? Who elected you as spokesperson for everyone on Boards.ie ?

I would love to see him in a green shirt again.

The goings on at Saipan have been debated to death here and there are those who say he turned his back on his country and others who say he was sent home. I believe he was sent home !

I can't see him coming back though and I believe this is a quote taken out of context by some twit reporter just trying to stir the $h!t again.

Tinky

Oh ya was that not announced?

It was a figure of speech tinky. If you say him on the Dunphy he said and I quote

I wasn't sent home I left

Full Interview

super_furry · 19-02-2004 8:45pm

Full story here - http://www.rte.ie/sport/2004/0219/keane.html

ZENER · 19-02-2004 8:51pm

Keane hints at Ireland encore

Roy Keane has left the door open on a dramatic return to the Republic of Ireland side.

The Manchester United skipper said: "I have always said I have missed international football - but then felt it was important to move on. But part of me has always said that I had unfinished business and it will always be that way.

"I don't think it would be as simple as me saying that I would come back to international football. It would be down to Brian Kerr - it's as simple as that really.

"It would probably be unfair on the players and Brian while it would also create a lot of media frenzy.

"It might upset some of the players so I don't believe that it's as simple as saying that I would be available for selection again."

Keane will make no immediate decision on his international future until further consultations.

The next move is up to boss Kerr, who would welcome back the Manchester United man with open arms.

Keane was sent home from the Republic's World Cup preparations in Saipan in 2002 after a bust-up with Mick McCarthy ahead of the tournament.

The Cork man felt that there was a lack of professionalism in the build up for the games in Japan and South Korea but now Keane's attitude seems to have mellowed.

This is the story published here.

He's not saying anything he hasn't said before really.

Tinky

super_furry · 19-02-2004 8:52pm

I honestly can't see what he's trying to achieve. We've been here before, he told Kerr he was coming back then decided on 'medical advice' to retire. That's fair enough, but since then he's kept dropping little hints that he might come back. If he wanted to comeback, I'm sure he would have done so before now, and he's at the age where players retire from international football anyway. So unless he's trying to undermine the team, I don't know what he's up to.

Villain · 19-02-2004 8:54pm

I tell ya whats up with him, he watched the match last night an realised Ireland are good enough to actually achieve something. So now he wants to be part of the team and play in the world qualifiers against France and against Veira.

ZENER · 19-02-2004 8:58pm

"Obviously Brian is doing things properly now which I felt the previous manager (Mick McCarthy) wasn't doing," said Keane.

I tell ya whats up with him, he watched the match last night an realised Ireland are good enough to actually achieve something. So now he wants to be part of the team and play in the world qualifiers against France and against Veira.

Did you not read the interview ? Or is that just a figure of speech above aswell ? Keane was unhappy about the way the FAI and McCarthy did things, thats changed now so why shouldn't he want to come back ?

Tinky

Villain · 19-02-2004 9:00pm

Originally posted by tinky
Did you not read the interview ? Or is that just a figure of speech above aswell ? Keane was unhappy about the way the FAI and McCarthy did things, thats changed now so why shouldn't he want to come back ?

Tinky

That had changed before the Brazil game too, he made comments a few weeks ago that John O'Shea had told him the set-up was better now.

The Muppet · 19-02-2004 9:00pm

Originally posted by super_furry
I honestly can't see what he's trying to achieve. We've been here before, he told Kerr he was coming back then decided on 'medical advice' to retire. That's fair enough, but since then he's kept dropping little hints that he might come back. If he wanted to comeback, I'm sure he would have done so before now, and he's at the age where players retire from international football anyway. So unless he's trying to undermine the team, I don't know what he's up to.

When he had the meeting with Kerr he was just after his operation and was not at playing very well for United. A year later he is playing well and seems to have recovered his form and recovered fully from his injuries.

I don't expect to see Keano ever play for Ireland again but it would be beneficial for soccer in this country to put this issue to bed for good and would be happy to see and end to it one way or the other.

super_furry · 19-02-2004 9:03pm

That had changed before the Brazil game too, he made comments a few weeks ago that John O'Shea had told him the set-up was better now. ]

Well if that's the case, he can **** right off. Where was he when we needed him most during the Euro 2004 qualifying campaign? He could (and probably would have) have) been the difference between us qualifying and not, but instead he choose to sit on his arse.

Things weren't good enough for him to play for his country then - we didn't meet his standards, but now all of a sudden, we're good enough for Roy?

ZENER · 19-02-2004 9:06pm

As The Muppet said above Keane had just had an op and is only recently returning to his previous form for United. It's not a case whether WE were good enough for him more was HE good enough for us. Most will agree that after his op he was not playing well which was around the time of the Euro qualifiers.

Tinky

eirebhoy · 19-02-2004 9:08pm

His interview will be on Newstalk 106 any time now!

I haven't read any posts yet but how the hell is Keane a traitor? He was sent home from the world cup for standing up for himself, the players then had a "meeting" and refused to allow Keane back in the squad. Then when Kerr took over he had a talk with him but know matter what Kerr said how can you expect Keane to go back and play with the same players that denyed him the chance to play in the best tournament in the world.

Keane is obviously really missing playing for Ireland for what he has done for us over the years he deserves a second chance, everyone makes mistakes.

BTW - With Keane in the side we have a team capable of winning the world up as was proved in Korea.

Villain · 19-02-2004 9:10pm

Originally posted by super_furry
Well if that's the case, he can **** right off.

Thats is the case.

I find it a little interesting that he said this only after we drew with the world champions.

uberwolf · 19-02-2004 9:12pm

Originally posted by eirebhoy
BTW - With Keane in the side we have a team capable of winning the world up as was proved in Korea.

wow. Some statement. I'll admit korea could have been. Still mad to say it. not you're mad, its mad sounding.

Villain · 19-02-2004 9:12pm

Originally posted by eirebhoy
His interview will be on Newstalk 106 any time now!

I haven't read any posts yet but how the hell is Keane a traitor? He was sent home from the world cup .

Go read mine then the one that said

If you saw him on the Dunphy he said and I quote:
"I wasn't sent home I left"

The Muppet · 19-02-2004 9:15pm

Originally posted by irish1
Thats is the case.

I find it a little interesting that he said this only after we drew with the world champions.

What did we win then? A few months ago we were not good enought to qualify for the Euro Finals now after a draw in a meaningless friendly we are world beaters. Put things into perspective will ya.

Villain · 19-02-2004 9:17pm

Originally posted by The Muppet
What did we win then? A few months ago we were not good enought to qualify for the Euro Finals now after a draw in a meaningless friendly we are world beaters. Put things into perspective will ya.

Yea what, where did I say we won anything, I said I thought that he realised after watching the Brazil that we WERE good to achieve things!

ZENER · 19-02-2004 9:22pm

The guys on Newstalk are taking the PI$$ big time reviewing the interview with Keane.

The match last night was encouraging from the teams point of view but lets be honest here these guys are on 10's of thousands of pounds a week. There's no way they were going to give their all. Had that been a World Cup game they would have slaughtered us Keane or no Keane. Be real guys !!

Tinky

Villain · 19-02-2004 9:25pm

Originally posted by tinky
The match last night was encouraging from the teams point of view but lets be honest here these guys are on 10's of thousands of pounds a week. There's no way they were going to give their all. Had that been a World Cup game they would have slaughtered us Keane or no Keane. Be real guys !!

Tinky

I disagree, there had drawn 2 of the 4 first 4 world cup qualifiers and their next match is another qualifier, I think they were giving it their all.

Oh and we were missing our best player, Duffer

kaisersose77 · 19-02-2004 9:25pm

the interview( well i wouldnt call it an interview) was on the 6 o clock news, he's in dublin for some charity and some journalists were asking him questions and of course someone had to ask him about playing 4 ireland, probably being shown now on the 9.00 news as i write this

Johnny_the_fox · 19-02-2004 9:27pm

like most traitors he should be hung... IMO

if any man was asked to play for his country - and was told he would be sleeping in a sleeping bag and would have to make his own sandwiches... im sure he would do it no bother.... but because Keane plays for Man United - he needs a king size bed and caviar at the ready... if its is ready he will cry and moan..

Ireland isnt Man Utd - we can't afford to built our own football stadium

he can just **** off.. Its time to move on and he should quit stirring things up.

Amen :mad:

Dustaz · 19-02-2004 9:30pm

Originally posted by The Muppet

I don't expect to see Keano ever play for Ireland again but it would be beneficial for soccer in this country to put this issue to bed for good and would be happy to see and end to it one way or the other.

I think we were all under the impression that it HAD been put to bed once and for all by keane saying he had retired.

ZENER · 19-02-2004 9:36pm

if any man was asked to play for his country - and was told he would be sleeping in a sleeping bag and would have to make his own sandwiches... im sure he would do it no bother.... but because Keane plays for Man United - he needs a king size bed and caviar at the ready... if its is ready he will cry and moan..

You are joking ... right ?

There's a bit of a difference between sandwiches and a training pitch so hard it would cause injury and then not having balls to play with !
Do try to be less sensationalistic.

Ireland isnt Man Utd - we can't afford to built our own football stadium

You can blame the bloody PD's for that - gobsh!tes !! As far as I'm concerned we have a stadium, it's called Croke Park. Taxpayers money was put into that place without consultation and a bunch og boggers deny us use of it. Bloody ridiculous IMO!

Tinky

Aliminator · 19-02-2004 9:43pm

FFS. close this bollox thread.
Keane wouldn't play for Ireland again. "it would leave him less fresh for Man Utd's next game" OWTE. get out of yer asses Roy keane supporters.
there's only one true keano: robbie!

and.......nevermind. the man is a waster. Rest in Pieces

cournioni · 19-02-2004 9:47pm

Yea what, where did I say we won anything, I said I thought that he realised after watching the Brazil that we WERE good to achieve things!

Irish1, he said the exact same thing as he said today a month ago. He said that he wouldn't rule out playing for Ireland again. Then he said We'll see...

That was a month ago, it had nothing to do with the Brazil match.

As a United fan, I would love to see him play for Ireland again. I think its great that he is still showing an interest in coming back. I think we could do really really well with him in the team. Could you imagine the look on French faces if he came back against them?! They wouldn't be as confident of beating as they are now.

I think most of the people who say "he's turned his back on Ireland" etc etc. are just ignorant. They know as little as I do about the situation and yet they are jumping to conclusions. I say just support whatever is best for Ireland and that is having the best team possible.

Many of the Irish players said that they would welcome him back. So don't tell me he would disrupt the squad.

There is my rant over.

eirebhoy · 19-02-2004 9:50pm

Originally posted by irish1
Go read mine then the one that said "I wasn't sent home I left"

Irish1, he was definitely sent home. I still have a picture in my head of McCarthy saying in a press conference that he sent him home so that quote is either Keane lying or being misquoted.

Johhny_The_Fox - He complained about the pitch but that has nothing to do with him being sent home. He got sent home for roaring his head off at McCarthy.

He obviously wants to play for Ireland and I don't think he is stirring things up, I would say he had this whole thing planned before he came over to Dublin. Its probably the easiest way for him to get back into the international frame because if he rang Kerr up and kerr took him back, Keane wouldn't know how the fans would react. At least this way he gets to see their reaction before anything happens.

super_furry · 19-02-2004 9:50pm

I think most of the people who say "he's turned his back on Ireland" etc etc. are just ignorant.

While I think that the people that back him are Man United supporters who believe everything he feeds them.

Villain · 19-02-2004 9:50pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
I think most of the people who say "he's turned his back on Ireland" etc etc. are just ignorant. They know as little as I do about the situation and yet they are jumping to conclusions. I say just support whatever is best for Ireland and that is having the best team possible.

He talked about the Brazil game in his interview.

Now watch your calling ignorant, because I think you'l find that means lacking in Intelligence in the dictionary and I think that realtes to you more than me mate.

I'm Only going to post this once more. Quote from Roy Keane on the Dunphy Show:
"I wasn't sent home I left"
His words not mine

eirebhoy · 19-02-2004 9:57pm

Irish1, HE WAS SENT HOME. He musn't want to admit it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport3/worldcup2002/hi/team_pages/rep_of_ireland/newsid_2003000/2003681.stm

"I cannot and will not tolerate that level of abuse being thrown at me so I sent him home,"

Villain · 19-02-2004 9:57pm

Originally posted by eirebhoy
Irish1, HE WAS SENT HOME. He musn't want to admit it.

FFS he said he wasn't, now are you calling him a liar??

mr_angry · 19-02-2004 9:59pm

Message to everyone: THERE IS NO WAY BACK FOR KEANE. No matter what your opinion, he will never, ever wear the green jersey again. Forget it. Go spam After Hours or something.

eirebhoy · 19-02-2004 10:00pm

Originally posted by irish1
FFS he said he wasn't, now are you calling him a liar??

Yes, I am calling him a liar. Its not as if its a bloody huge lie.

BTW I have quoted McCarthy, read the post again.

cournioni · 19-02-2004 10:00pm

Originally posted by super_furry
While I think that the people that back him are Man United supporters who believe everything he feeds them.

Not just Manchester United supporters. I know plenty of people who support Arsenal and Liverpool who "believe everything he feeds them".

Go on, tell us what you know about Saipan and Keane's retirement. You'd swear most of the people who say he turned his back on his country were big insiders the way they go on. Its only because he plays for Man Utd really. As I said, I know nothing about anything that happened in Saipan, but I'm not jumping to conclusions like you gobshites

AngelofFire · 19-02-2004 10:01pm

Everytime a roy keane thread appears the saipan debate is inevitabley brought up.
and people who blast mick macarthy or the FAI are labelled corkmen or Man U fans

I am neither a corkman or a manu fan but i am pro roy keane

ok i admit roy is arrogant but all he wanted for the fai to provide ireland with was facilities adaquate for professional footballers. he wasnt being prima donna. those who say he was prima donna are highly ignorant and should read tom humphries report about saipan.

secondly roy keanes departure from the world cup was mick mc carthys fault. the two had agreed to bury the hatchet over the row about the training facilities. two days later Mc carthy brings up the topic out of the blue on front of alll the players. he accusses Roy of faking an injury and being a moan. roy keane inevitable defended his honour. ok. i accept the language was a bit over the top but that was no excuse for mick to send him home.

Villain · 19-02-2004 10:02pm

Originally posted by eirebhoy
Yes, I am calling him a liar. Its not as if its a bloody huge lie.

BTW I have quoted McCarthy, read the post again.

I seen it but Keane gave a good indept interview on the Dunphy Show and as he said he could have went back but decided not to.

I know it's hard to accept eirebhoy but thats what he said

ZENER · 19-02-2004 10:08pm

The following is an edited version of what happened in Korea.

Thursday, 23 May

McCarthy calls a press conference to announce Keane has been sent home.
"I cannot and will not tolerate being spoken to with that level of abuse being thrown
at me so I sent him home." McCarthy defends decision.

Monday, 27 May

In another interview with an English newspaper, Keane admits McCarthy
was right to send him home but sticks to his guns.

Tuesday, 28 May

McCarthy seems to offer an olive branch to Keane when he says an apology
from the midfielder could pave the way to a reconciliation.

But the door appears to be closed when the remaining 22
players release a statement.

"The manner of Roy's behaviour prior to his departure from Saipan and the
comments attributed to him since have left the staff and players in no doubt
that the interests of the squad are best served without Roy's presence,"
is the message from the Republic camp.

Irish striker Niall Quinn says Keane would have been back in the squad
if he had apologised. McCarthy holds a press conference and offers
Keane a way back.

How many times does HE have to say it HE WAS SENT HOME !

Tinky

super_furry · 19-02-2004 10:09pm

As I said, I know nothing about anything that happened in Saipan, but I'm not jumping to conclusions like you gob****es

Of course you're jumping to conclusions, you've decided that Keane was right in what he said and did and that's your conclusion. I on the other hand take the opposite view and believe Keane was wrong, but unlike you I'm not resorting to insults and calling people gob****es just because I disagree with them.

GuanYin · 19-02-2004 10:12pm

Originally posted by eirebhoy
Yes, I am calling him a liar. Its not as if its a bloody huge lie.

BTW I have quoted McCarthy, read the post again.

Well obviously McCarthy is a muppet and Roy is a scholar, and a poet and a gentleman. Anything Roy says is going to be more accurate than McCarthy so if Roy says he left his national team mates on the eve of the world cup, then obviously he's right and he did walk out on his country. :rolleyes: WHO CARES??? seriously, who really cares what Roy Keane thinks about playing for Ireland?

Do you really want the Roy and Fergie circus-soap opera to roll into town again? This years main attraction, the "morale Vampires" who leach the morale out of young teams who have just got things back on track. Things are a bit down at Utd, so they obviously need to leach morale to feed the red devils for the championship run in....

Tune in next week as Roy and Alex's will-they-won't-they love affair continues........

cournioni · 19-02-2004 10:12pm

Ok... here is a question for all you anti-Roy Keane people...

If Roy Keane was to return and it turned out as a complete success with Ireland reaching the latter stages of Germany 2006 would you like him in the team.

If it had a positive effect on the team would you like him back?

super_furry · 19-02-2004 10:15pm

Yes I would, and as I've already said I believe that if he had decided to grace us with his pressence for the Euro 2004 qualifying campaign, we would be going to Portugal. Sadly that didn't happen.

GuanYin · 19-02-2004 10:17pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Ok... here is a question for all you anti-Roy Keane people...

If Roy Keane was to return and it turned out as a complete success with Ireland reaching the latter stages of Germany 2006 would you like him in the team.

If it had a positive effect on the team would you like him back?

I think I'd prefer Johnny Giles and Liam BRady (obviously in their Glory years) and Paul McGrath too (ditto)...

while we are making fantasy wishes come through, I wish Pele was Irish and called Peil and was playing too....

Its not gonna happen, so for the love of the small puppies...close the thread.... peeeeaaaaaseee!!!!!!!!!

ZENER · 19-02-2004 10:17pm

Yeah he would have done great toddling around the pich on a walking stick and a dodgy hip !:rolleyes:

Tinky

cournioni · 19-02-2004 10:23pm

Originally posted by super_furry
Yes I would, and as I've already said I believe that if he had decided to grace us with his pressence for the Euro 2004 qualifying campaign, we would be going to Portugal. Sadly that didn't happen.

No it didn't, however that is in the past, and nothing can be done about that.

So is everyone going to hold a grudge against Roy Keane for Ireland not qualifying? To the point that he shouldn't help us to get to the World Cup? I would have thought that they were Ireland supporters apart from the fact that they do not want what is best for the team.

They are not true Ireland supporters, because they would like to see Keane suffer for what is in the past rather than see Ireland winning things...

cournioni · 19-02-2004 10:26pm

Originally posted by syke
I think I'd prefer Johnny Giles and Liam BRady (obviously in their Glory years) and Paul McGrath too (ditto)...

while we are making fantasy wishes come through, I wish Pele was Irish and called Peil and was playing too....

Its not gonna happen, so for the love of the small puppies...close the thread.... peeeeaaaaaseee!!!!!!!!!

Jesus, they should rename you psykechic. :rolleyes:

The Muppet · 19-02-2004 10:30pm

Originally posted by irish1
He talked about the Brazil game in his interview.

Now watch your calling ignorant, because I think you'l find that means lacking in Intelligence in the dictionary and I think that realtes to you more than me mate.

I'm Only going to post this once more. Quote from Roy Keane on the Dunphy Show:
"I wasn't sent home I left"
His words not mine

I fail to see what relevance it has to current events but he ya go Irish 1.

Keane sent home after criticising team's preparations
Sogwipo, South Korea
May 24 2002

Roy Keane, Ireland's World Cup captain, has been sent home from a training camp on Saipan Island in the Pacific.

Coach Mick McCarthy's decision leaves Ireland's hopes in tatters and follows Keane's strong criticism of the team's training facilities and his threat earlier this week to fly home.

McCarthy was quoted as saying that clear-the-air talks with Keane had turned into a slanging match. "I cannot and will not tolerate that level of abuse being thrown at me, so I sent him home," McCarthy told the BBC, labelling Keane a disruptive influence.

The Manchester United skipper had earlier attacked Ireland's preparations in an interview with The Irish Times.

"I've come over here to do well and I want people around me to want to do well," Keane said. "If I feel we're not all wanting the same things, there's no point. It's been going on a while.

Link

Notice the direct quote from Mc Carthy. I dont think there is any point in revisiting this story as everyone's opinion is entrenched at this stage. Hopfully this story will prompt those with the ability to do so to end this once and for all.

Dustas I was of the same opinion as youself and am surprised at this story, I can never see him play again for Ireland.

Keane's at it again

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