Whos still on Netsource?

El_MUERkO

Other than me who's still on Netsource, I know alot of people got marching orders a while back but popping in here I dont see any Netsource posts.

I'm still getting low pings and they havent said anything about my downloads so I must be under their limit or radar

mr_angry

You're getting good pings on a Netsource package? That IS newsworthy.

I'm still on Netsource, but I only use it for browsing. Speed seems to have been grand through the proxy lately, so I have absolutely no problems.

dangerman

yeah im still kicking ass netsource styly.

low pings for months now, except for i think 1 night in january.

rock solid speed, no cap, 3 puters on it here so its lovely not to have to tell the brothers to calm down on the streaming vid/audio & crap.

MrPinK

Originally posted by mr_angry
You're getting good pings on a Netsource package? That IS newsworthy.

Eh, the pings have been better than most of the ppl I know on IOL for the last 4 or 5 months. That's why all the netsource threads stopped.

tuxy

how good is good? comparable to eircom dsl? (25 ms to irish servers 35 ms to uk ones)

dangerman

Netsource:

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=38ms TTL=55
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=55
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=55
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=55

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 35ms, Maximum = 39ms, Average = 37ms

thats pretty standard, may go up to 40's in the evenings.

mr_angry

Originally posted by MrPinK
Eh, the pings have been better than most of the ppl I know on IOL for the last 4 or 5 months. That's why all the netsource threads stopped.

Ah. I stand corrected. I gave up on Internet gaming during the Bad Ol' Days™. My echo replies used to read something like 510, 40, 330, 1290! Not exactly consistent...

bk

I'm still with Netsource.

Very good service, rock solid for the last few months.

Low pings, and I usually get high 50 KB's when downloading (when the server I'm downloading from has the bandwidth).

However I hope they reduce their prices in line with the wholesale port price decrease. At the moment it works out at e66 per month, for e65 per month I could get BB and free local and national calls from Esat and that was before the latest wholesale reduction.

MrPinK

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=56
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=56

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 37ms, Maximum = 37ms, Average = 37ms

Pinging www.boards.ie [82.195.131.128] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=60
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=60
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=60

Ping statistics for 82.195.131.128:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 23ms, Maximum = 25ms, Average = 23ms

It doesn't get worse in the evenings any more, or at least I haven't noticed it getting worse. The price is starting to be a major turnoff though. If IOL increase the cap, and ns don't drop their prices I'll be moving.

BigEejit

Originally posted by MrPinK
If IOL increase the cap, and ns don't drop their prices I'll be moving.

same here, quite happy with the service, but €26 more for a static IP and larger cap is getting hard to justify

Mutant_Fruit

I'd just like to show off my IBB pings...

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 35, Received = 35, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 19ms, Maximum = 42ms, Average = 26ms
Control-Break

Pings to boards.ie:
Ping statistics for 82.195.131.128:
Packets: Sent = 24, Received = 24, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 7ms, Maximum = 30ms, Average = 12ms
Control-Break

talla

Yep still with Netsource here, still never had any problems with pings or downloads in 8 months. Still as with a couple of other people in this thread im starting to consider my other options now unless there is some drop in prices with the drop in wholesale rates. The only thing that would put me off switching to IOL is the whole nightmare changeover process of being weeks without broadband. I have no confidence in IOL/eircom speeding up the changeoer process, there is no way I could back to dialup.

DaithiSurfer

I still have it for business. Got rid of it for my home BB.
I'll be switching thought in the next month.
If they dropped the rip-off domain part of the package i'ld stay with them for the business, but no sign of that happening so its goodbye netsource.
I have several friends who have netsource too and all are finding the price hard to stomach. Time to bite the bullet and switch to another cheaper provider i think.

fatguy

Stuck with it during the bad times, reaping the rewards now.

Ryaner

Mine is arriving on friday. Had been talking to some people on ns bout week and half ago and they were showing me pings off 60 -140 sometimes spiking alot higher. These figures look good.

They told me they would be dropping their prices or bringing new product in around april/may but wouldnt say anything else.

daveirl

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gurramok

I've always got speeds like this though. Since day one. No problems really. So I'm a happy camper.

Same here, bar the 3 weeks i was throttled in late sept.
Pings and download speeds have been consistently good, see my posts about it in the sticky pings thread.

Wonder what will happen to our present €67 package come what Mar 1.



C:\>ping clarity.jolt.co.uk

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=55
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=55
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=55
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=55

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 30ms, Maximum = 30ms, Average = 30ms

Woden

Originally posted by Mutant_Fruit
I'd just like to show off my IBB pings...

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 35, Received = 35, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 19ms, Maximum = 42ms, Average = 26ms
Control-Break

Pings to boards.ie:
Ping statistics for 82.195.131.128:
Packets: Sent = 24, Received = 24, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 7ms, Maximum = 30ms, Average = 12ms
Control-Break

i thought that pings with wireless bb operators like ibb werent as good as those such as eircom, heard ibb were bad for gaming and such, nothing wrong with those though

Robbo

I'm still with Netsource and have been since last September.

I've never had any problems whatsoever with them (well nothing a quick reboot of the router wouldn't cure). The speeds have always been good. I care not about pings because (a) I don't game online anyway and (b) I amn't one of those pointless benchmarky types anyway.

I sail pretty close to the wind with regards the "cap" but have never been throttled in any way. I browse a lot, download some P2P, Debian packages and my dad sends a lot of attachment-y email and has a serious eBay habit.

I really don't see why they've caused so much ire amongst the peeps here. I've always used it with a modicum of respect, even in the days prior to the "cap". Are we a community of cranks who don't know we were born?

Robbo

Oh and for those who regard the humble ping as being the measure of success:

circe:~$ ping [url]www.boards.ie[/url]
PING [url]www.boards.ie[/url] (82.195.131.128): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=0 ttl=60 time=27.8 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=1 ttl=60 time=26.4 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=2 ttl=60 time=29.4 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=3 ttl=60 time=30.4 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=4 ttl=60 time=53.6 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=5 ttl=60 time=27.2 ms
64 bytes from 82.195.131.128: icmp_seq=6 ttl=60 time=24.7 ms

--- [url]www.boards.ie[/url] ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 7 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 24.7/31.3/53.6 ms

dangerman

I really don't see why they've caused so much ire amongst the peeps here. I've always used it with a modicum of respect, even in the days prior to the "cap". Are we a community of cranks who don't know we were born?

em, pings are extremely important to a lot of people, a lot of people really enjoy online games, and given that ns was under performing in this area it pissed a lot of people off.

i agree that the bandwidth whore's constant whining was a bit much though. but in their defence that was entirely ns's fault, they advertised a no-cap product and reapt the benefits & perils of such a claim.

Robbo

Originally posted by dangerman
em, pings are extremely important to a lot of people, a lot of people really enjoy online games, and given that ns was under performing in this area it pissed a lot of people off.

i agree that the bandwidth whore's constant whining was a bit much though. but in their defence that was entirely ns's fault, they advertised a no-cap product and reapt the benefits & perils of such a claim.

That's all beautiful but the service is offered as SOHO. It was never promoted as a gaming service, like say the current Eircom ads with the spods who can't sit still at their consoles.

Whilst it was a mistake to promote the service as "completely uncapped", there is no rationale in complaining when the T&C's always contain the "All your base are belong to us" clause, whereby the terms of service can be varied without consent or penalty.

dangerman

That's all beautiful but the service is offered as SOHO. It was never promoted as a gaming service, like say the current Eircom ads with the spods who can't sit still at their consoles.

yeah no shit, but low latency is a feature of broadband that most would expect, regardless of SOHO/l33t gaming service.

Whilst it was a mistake to promote the service as "completely uncapped", there is no rationale in complaining when the T&C's always contain the "All your base are belong to us" clause, whereby the terms of service can be varied without consent or penalty.

People complained cause they were pissed off, just as you or I would be if the speed was cut in half. Given that the majority of their custs didn't mind the new imposition, they got away with it. Still think it was a very cheeky thing of netsource to do, as theres a big diff. between unlimited d/u and 4gigs a week.

In the end, as a more light user myself, I'm pleased the [decent] cap is there, if only to keep the super-peers at bay.

bk

Originally posted by Robbo
That's all beautiful but the service is offered as SOHO. It was never promoted as a gaming service, like say the current Eircom ads with the spods who can't sit still at their consoles.

In fact good pings can also be important to SOHO users.
When I'm working from home using ssh, Samba and VNC over VPN into work, I want quick, interactive, response times.

Fortunately NS over very good pings.

Also remember that Pings also effect how fast general browsing is.

ixoy

I'm still with 'em. I'm with them purely for cap reasons - I'd do about 3-4 GB of traffic a week, so I kinda need 'em.

Here's the current boards ping:

Pinging www.boards.ie [82.195.131.128] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=34ms TTL=59
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=51ms TTL=59
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=59
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 82.195.131.128:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 31ms, Maximum = 51ms, Average = 37ms

No complaints at all of late!

Kenshin

I'm still on Netsource too, with no problems.
There are a few things I don't like about it though:
- I'm still paying the €10 + VAT a month "domain name registration fee" even though I haven't bothered registering one. This is obviously a dirty attempt by them to hide some of the cost of the broadband as a "domain name registration fee", which is stupid. They should just be honest and advertise the service as costing €66 a month. I guess I'll make use of it soon and reg an address, but €10+ a month for a .com address is just retarded.
- There is a 16 Gig cap. Fair enough. But they should have some way of telling you how much you have downloaded, just like IOL and Eircom.

po0k

Originally posted by Kenshin
- There is a 16 Gig cap. Fair enough. But they should have some way of telling you how much you have downloaded, just like IOL and Eircom.

I've been saying that for a while now.

RE: Pings
From the router itself pinging www.boards.ie
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=90 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=110 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=90 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=70 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=160 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=60 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=90 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=120 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=60 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=100 ms

and now a minute or two later:
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=280 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=440 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=580 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=400 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=240 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=90 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=70 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=360 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=90 ms
Reply from 82.195.131.128, time=400 ms

Ryaner

Just got NS installed five minutes ago.

Pinging www.boards.ie [82.195.131.128] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=22ms TTL=60
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=60
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=60
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=60
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=60
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=60
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=60
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=60
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=25ms TTL=60
Reply from 82.195.131.128: bytes=32 time=23ms TTL=60

Ping statistics for 82.195.131.128:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 22ms, Maximum = 28ms, Average = 24ms


Those have gotta drop I'm thinking cause they are amazing.

JohnK

I'm still on netsource :cool:

Venom

Still on Netsource and not planning on moving anywhere else soon. Very helpful staff who actually help and not just give you the run around. Decent cap compaired to the rest and the the Soho product has worked like a dream for me.

Not to mention the fact that Joan sounds sexy as hell on the phone unlike the biddies from Eirscum

ixoy

Originally posted by Venom
Not to mention the fact that Joan sounds sexy as hell on the phone unlike the biddies from Eirscum

LOL - don't frighten the girl! It's traumatic enough that she knows me!

Jonnie_Onion

Still with netsource. Have a LOS/install booked with IBB though. If it works out I'll be jumping ship for obvious reasons. If not I'll be staying put, and possibly upgrading.

MrB

Still with Netsource and now very happy, but I'm looking into buying my own flat soon and will have to start cutting costs! so I may not move my netsource account to the new place when I get it.
(who would have thought buying a flat could be so expensive )

Praetorian

I'm still with Netsource. The pings aren't great for dsl really, but when I want good pings I use an Eircom Radsl line anyway. Overall, Netsource are okay, but if I ever receive a letter regarding caps or throttling, I'll leave them straight away.

They also better make a counter offer to Eircoms recent price drops.

GerardKeating

Originally posted by JohnK
I'm still on netsource :cool:

Same here and am failrly happy with it.

would rather the 4MBit cable service in Longford/Dungravan but we cannot have everything.

cheers

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

Still on Netsource here. No problems so far. Though I do download a fair bit a month approx 10gbs so I don't really have an alternative.

In saying that e66.50 is a bit rough! Especially with the domain name ~e14 squid on top. Which i don't bother to use. :S

ambrose

po0k

Originally posted by Praetorian
I'm still with Netsource. The pings aren't great for dsl really, but when I want good pings I use an Eircom Radsl line anyway.

....Netsource is an Eircom RADSL line.
In fact, compared to the "standard" Eircom package, it has lower interleaving.

Praetorian

Syxpak,

I have both and they perform differently.

Eircom RADSL pings ~19ms (very regular)
Netsource RADSL pings ~25-40 (prone to spikes)

Eircom RADSL download speed 55-60
Netsource RADSL download speed ~50

I know what the reality is.

DaithiSurfer

I'm told both Netsource and esat will be anouncing their new pricing on Monday.
Can you believe a word either says though (No cap/no limits) sound eerily alike.

Tazzle

Originally posted by Robbo
there is no rationale in complaining when the T&C's always contain the "All your base are belong to us" clause, whereby the terms of service can be varied without consent or penalty.

Illegal and has no substance in law.

Ryaner

Originally posted by DaithiSurfer
I'm told both Netsource and esat will be anouncing their new pricing on Monday.

Who told you that? Netsource told me they wouldnt be doing anything until end of march maybe later. I'd so like an uncapped service even if I have have to pay an extra little bit.

DaithiSurfer

A friend called them and said he didnt want their expensive domain name anymore if he was going to keep the service and they told him that they would be reducing their prices on Monday.
Then he called ESAT and complained about their prices and they said the same thing.

Co33iE

10 euro ex vat a month for a domain name is abit unreal since u can get em for 8 euro a year. did anyone look into the contract to see if you can transfer the domain to another hosting company?

DaithiSurfer

I had paid for the full year on my home connection and will be going elsewhere when that is up, no matter what their prices are.
I would imagine though that you can cancel your domain name at any time with 2 months notice and they dont really have a leg to stand on.
Then again it is Netsource we're talking about and what you see is not really what you get in their case.

mayto

in the netsource support pages it says business broadband soho users will have a contention ratio of 24:1 from march 1st. will i notice the advantage of new contention in future when dsl lines are at full capcity? by the way, will residential customers be able to connect to these MANs they are building at the moment and if so how will they be connected to it ?

DaithiSurfer

I think a price drop is what Netsource need to do.
They are outrageously expensive (€66 pm) and the only advantage they have is that they have double the cap of Eircom etcs cheapest RADSL packages.
Contention ratios are going to drop accross the board and i imagine caps will go up.
Its probably a consequence of Eircoms changing package rather than direct action by netsource that the contention ratio will drop.

raphaelS

Originally posted by mayto
in the netsource support pages it says business broadband soho users will have a contention ratio of 24:1 from march 1st. will i notice the advantage of new contention in future when dsl lines are at full capcity? by the way, will residential customers be able to connect to these MANs they are building at the moment and if so how will they be connected to it ?

If I haven't read your post I will have never knew about that!!
Why didn't they tell that to their customers?!

I guess that means we can't expect a drop in the price now.

By the way, can you really see the difference between 48:1 and 24:1?
I never experienced slow connections so I think my exchange is not overloaded... and that this 24:1 wouldn't change my life.
I wouldn't mind 1024 instead of 512!...

Raphael

Ryaner

Does the change to 24:1 content mean that the cap will be gone??? It does say that some customers are able to change back to the 48:1 if they want.

Gonzo

im on eircom 24:1 now i think and havent noticed any difference with the lower contention ratio, pings and download exactly the same, our exchange was new anyway so the 48:1 contention was mostly empty.

Tazzle

What I'm wondering is, has the upgrade by eircom on the business deal changed its pings, ie. has the interleaving been lowered?

Praetorian

Tazzle, I should know in a few days.